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Hear me out:
If...If the Colts would be willing to take a 1st rounder for Peyton Manning...I think we should pursue that.
Pros:
- We get the best mentor in the league for our young QB that has a favorable contract for the team, also who has started and could start if Manning isnt healthy
- We get one of the best QBs in the league on our roster, and it could also alleviate our need for an offensive coordinator too hahaha...but really, he could make the job easier for the OC
- We get the guy for 3-4 more years, and we have a QB on the roster who would not debate sitting behind Manning.
- We have a better structure behind Manning so we are better equipped to survive a Manning injury, plus the presence of Manning would improve our team and roster whether he is on the field or not.
- Maybe we'd be better equipped to sign a guy like Garcon or Wayne with Manning on the roster when they reach FA.
- We get a motivated player who wants to prove he isnt done
- Improves our OL because he gets the ball out quick
- Improves our WRs because he can throw them open
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- Lots of money for a guy who may be injured and unable to play
- He is on the downside of his career
- An injury could end his career or season quickly
- He could be more injury prone
- Throws too many INTs
I look at it, and I think that the pros far outweigh the cons in this situation.
The move is not without risk as Manning is an injury risk. But this team is better equipped to deal with an injury to Manning than the Colts were.
But he would cost MUCH less than making a trade up for Andrew Luck, and may be discounted because of his injury.
I would seriously consider this move. Opinions?
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I don't disagree, but there are too many stumbling blocks for that to happen.
This is a option year for Manning. If the Colts pay his $26 or whatever it is million in March, they wouldn't take a 1st rounder and call it even.
If they don't pay it, they can't trade him because he is a FA, and we sure as heck don't want to pay out a $20 something million bonus to keep him in his current deal.
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and as good as peyton manning is.. how long would he be here? 1 year? 2 years? as GREAT as he is.. we have to think long term..
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Numbers are not what bugs me..it's Mannings neck..one solid hit and he's done.
Look at all our QB's who've been hurt and now think about this year with McCoy and concussion-gate...
Think Manning could survive here for 3 years?????
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... plus, Manning isn't a WCO QB. Can he be one? Perhaps. Would he want to become one? Who knows... :: shrug ::
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I think that the firing of the Polians ensures that Manning will retire as a Colt.
I hope it means that the Colts will be open to trading the "Luck y" pick to a lucky team sitting at #4 so they can get a lot of help around Manning for a last few Super Bowl runs.
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and as good as peyton manning is.. how long would he be here? 1 year? 2 years? as GREAT as he is.. we have to think long term..
not to mention, even if the Colts trade Peyton Manning it is foolish to think that he won't have some say into where he gets to go.
why would he pick a team that is currently terrible on offense, doesn't run the offense that he wants to run, and is not very likely to let him be his own OC?
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I think that the firing of the Polians ensures that Manning will retire as a Colt.
I hope it means that the Colts will be open to trading the "Luck y" pick to a lucky team sitting at #4 so they can get a lot of help around Manning for a last few Super Bowl runs.
I agree with 1st sentence, Not sure about the 2nd though as Ive stated in other threads Im perfectly comfortable staying at 4 and 24 and top 10 next year.
Finally the injury risk to Manning is much to great for me even if the Colts would consider trading him. Elite QB's come at all positions of drafts. McNabb, Brady, Roths, Rogers, Brees etc non were #1 1st round picks. If your scouts and GM do their jobs correctly they will find the one where ever they pick in a draft. IMHO.
On a side note I heard on the radio today the Vikes said they will not be taking a QB in this draft which could really set up well for us anyway. The Colts pass on Luck Rams dont need luck and Minny wont draft Luck.
Now it could all be posturing trying to fleece a team out of picks or a bluff how knows. We should be doing the same..
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If the Colts were open to trading the pick, I would hope that Holngren and Heckert are all over it.
I would think so. These guys know that you need a great QB to win in the NFL today.
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If the Colts were open to trading the pick, I would hope that Holngren and Heckert are all over it.
I would think so. These guys know that you need a great QB to win in the NFL today.
I just don't think that Irsay will Trade Manning and I hope to hell that the Browns don't go that direction. Now, if they were to CUT Manning, well hell, thats a horse of a different color,, Sure, bring him in. Sign him up....
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I don;t think that I would trade for Manning, simply because I don't know if he will be medically cleared to play by the time the draft rolls around. If he was healthy and would come here, it would be a no brainer, and I would definitely give up a 1st for 4 years of Manning at a high level. I just don't know that any of that would be the case.
I would definitely give up multiple number 1s for Luck.
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I think that the firing of the Polians ensures that Manning will retire as a Colt.
I hope it means that the Colts will be open to trading the "Luck y" pick to a lucky team sitting at #4 so they can get a lot of help around Manning for a last few Super Bowl runs.
I said the same thing a day or so ago and had maybe 10 people jump out of the woodwork telling me it was the other way around.
Where are they now???
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I think that the firing of the Polians ensures that Manning will retire as a Colt.
I hope it means that the Colts will be open to trading the "Luck y" pick to a lucky team sitting at #4 so they can get a lot of help around Manning for a last few Super Bowl runs.
I said the same thing a day or so ago and had maybe 10 people jump out of the woodwork telling me it was the other way around.
Where are they now???
Peen, you said the opposite. You said that it meant Irsay was ready to make a break from Manning. Here's your quote:
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Now that the Polians have been canned, I think Isray is ready to make a clean break from Manning.
Luck is a Colt.
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Peyton Manning is not going to agree to a trade that sends him to the Browns...not going to happen, Steve
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I think that the firing of the Polians ensures that Manning will retire as a Colt.
I hope it means that the Colts will be open to trading the "Luck y" pick to a lucky team sitting at #4 so they can get a lot of help around Manning for a last few Super Bowl runs.
I said the same thing a day or so ago and had maybe 10 people jump out of the woodwork telling me it was the other way around.
Where are they now???
Peen, you said the opposite. You said that it meant Irsay was ready to make a break from Manning. Here's your quote:
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Now that the Polians have been canned, I think Isray is ready to make a clean break from Manning.
Luck is a Colt.
Details, shmetails.....it's what happens when you get old and have a drink or two.
Ok...I was wrong. 
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IMO, thinking Manning will ever play for another team is foolish. He has had a hall of fame career playing for them. He has taken them over the top. Remember the Colts used to be as bad as the Browns until Peyton came along.
Peyton Manning will retire from the Colts, he will never play elsewhere.
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I think that the firing of the Polians ensures that Manning will retire as a Colt.
I hope it means that the Colts will be open to trading the "Luck y" pick to a lucky team sitting at #4 so they can get a lot of help around Manning for a last few Super Bowl runs.
I said the same thing a day or so ago and had maybe 10 people jump out of the woodwork telling me it was the other way around.
Where are they now???
I'm still here but that's not what you actually said,. paraphrasing, you said the exact opposite.. you made it sound as if with the polians gone, it was certain that Irsay would dump out of the deal with Manning. I stand by my beliefs...
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I think that the firing of the Polians ensures that Manning will retire as a Colt.
I hope it means that the Colts will be open to trading the "Luck y" pick to a lucky team sitting at #4 so they can get a lot of help around Manning for a last few Super Bowl runs.
I said the same thing a day or so ago and had maybe 10 people jump out of the woodwork telling me it was the other way around.
Where are they now???
I'm still here but that's not what you actually said,. paraphrasing, you said the exact opposite.. you made it sound as if with the polians gone, it was certain that Irsay would dump out of the deal with Manning. I stand by my beliefs...
I've already covered that, thank-you. 
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I think that the firing of the Polians ensures that Manning will retire as a Colt.
I hope it means that the Colts will be open to trading the "Luck y" pick to a lucky team sitting at #4 so they can get a lot of help around Manning for a last few Super Bowl runs.
I said the same thing a day or so ago and had maybe 10 people jump out of the woodwork telling me it was the other way around.
Where are they now???
I'm still here but that's not what you actually said,. paraphrasing, you said the exact opposite.. you made it sound as if with the polians gone, it was certain that Irsay would dump out of the deal with Manning. I stand by my beliefs...
I've already covered that, thank-you.
If you will note kind sir, we posted at the same time, I honestly had no way of knowing you corrected yourself..
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Numbers are not what bugs me..it's Mannings neck..one solid hit and he's done.
Look at all our QB's who've been hurt and now think about this year with McCoy and concussion-gate...
Think Manning could survive here for 3 years?????
I don't .
Exactly...and if he was to get hurt.. I don't see him staying in Cleveland to mentor any QB's here...
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If Manning isn't in Indy next year I see him either in...
Seattle (Carrol going All In)
KC (Depending on who's HC)
Washington (Sorry Peyton)
Miami (If they get Fisher)
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I think Irsay does him a solid and sends him to a contender or at least a team on the rise....San Fran, Denver, Dallas, Arizona come to mind
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Anywhere he goes instantly becomes a contender (assuming he's healthy)
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IMO, thinking Manning will ever play for another team is foolish. He has had a hall of fame career playing for them. He has taken them over the top. Remember the Colts used to be as bad as the Browns until Peyton came along.
Peyton Manning will retire from the Colts, he will never play elsewhere.
Never is a very long time. Let me list a few names you would think would have done the same thing you were suggesting (staying with the team that they created history with but left town by trade or free agency).
Joe Montana, Michael Jordan, Wayne Gretzky, Albert Pujols...heck, they might be the best players of all time in their sports and they didn't finish where they started. It wouldn't shock me to see Manning wearing a different jersey in 2012.
Until the Colts trade or pass on Luck I think they're taking him. Any hiring, firing or comment in the media means nothing. Well, if Luck says he won't wait behind Manning or play in Indy overall would be the only thing that might sway me.
As far as Manning playing with someone else.....San Fran.
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San Francisco would be my bet as well with the Jets a close second.
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If they were to trade him, I could see him going to the Dolphins, 49'ers, Redskins, or maybe the Vikings. I would suspect that they would prefer to trade him to the NFC, if he is traded anywhere. I don't suspect that he will be traded though.
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I agree. If he's healthy he stays put.
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I don't believe that the Colts will part ways with Manning. I see them passing on Luck first. But I always thought that, if it where to happen Washington would be a likely place.Snyders seems to really like his big name free agent signings and this would be the biggest of them all. Not to mention they really need a QB.
If I am Manning I think hard about Miami. Dallas could be intriguing.
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Personally, I believe a couple of things will happen in Indy....
Peyton stays and tries to play, maybe even playing the entire 2012 season.
But he realizes that he just can't play up to his own standards and retires before 2013.
I also believe that while it depends on who Irsay hires as his GM, and I don't see them actively pursuing a trade for the #1 pick I think they would listen to really big offers. A really big offer that I do not see the Browns making.
I see the FO of the Browns coveting those extra picks like a crack addict covets that next vial of rocks. If RG3 falls into their laps they take him. Otherwise they go with the plan to improve the team with the picks we have. Plus whatever they have in mind for FA.
IMO, any other scenario floated out there is pure wish-making.
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I'm not going to mention a position, but Heckert has said that extra draft picks are good because you can either use them to pick players, or use them to move up to get a player you like. So if there is a P he likes at 2, and is worried that someone might jump us ......  (Yes that is a joke, for those who might take it the wrong way)
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I don't believe that the Colts will part ways with Manning.
I don't, either.
And I don't believe that they will pass on Luck, either.
I see them taking Luck with him getting to sit at least one year behind Manning before Manning retires and starts coaching.
Browns is the Browns
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I agree. If he's healthy he stays put.
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If the Colts do end up shopping Manning, then I think it is because they think it likely he is done. In that case, buyer beware. I stay away.
No way do I think they try to move him if they think he has anything left.
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I am all for getting Peyton, but I am not all for giving up a 1 for him.
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I think any Manning trade would have to be for future conditional picks depending on how much/well he plays for his new team...
EDIT: Unless Dan Snyder is involved..
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sperg...Peyton Manning is not going to play for the Browns and the Browns are not going to pursue him.
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sperg...Peyton Manning is not going to play for the Browns and the Browns are not going to pursue him.
what are you talking about? what, we're not gonna get dwight howard and prince fielder either? sheesh.
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sperg...Peyton Manning is not going to play for the Browns and the Browns are not going to pursue him.
what are you talking about? what, we're not gonna get dwight howard and prince fielder either? sheesh.
sperg...I hate to be the one to break it to you, but no, Peyton Manning is not going to play for Cleveland...
...now these other two guys you named Howard and Fielder...they have a better shot at playing in Cleveland than Manning does, so hopefully all your dreams are not dashed...so, dream on!
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