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Hey dude, don't take yourself so seriously.

j/k

guys....there will be no trade for manning....

his bonus, a whopping 28mil, is due 5 days before the start of the league year. thus, indy will have to pay his bonus or cut him outright. if the bonus is paid, really think they'd let him go?

Precisely.

In essence, either he is a Colt, or he will be the most sought after Free Agent in history... because there is no way they take that sort of cap charge for a player that won't be on the team - bonus money stays on the cap of the original team, only the salary and future bonuses yet unpaid follow the player to the new team.

I'd love to have him, but the thought of him in an orange helmet running out of the tunnel, is pretty funny.

I honestly think he could end up in SF if Smith flames out big time in the playoffs.

I have trouble seeing him have too much success anywhere but Indy, actually... so I think that he's going to stay.


I'm not saying that he's a product of their system, but a huge part of his success there is that EVERYBODY is already on the same page there.
If he moves to a new team, they either have to switch to what he's always done and has been successful with, or he has to switch to what they do.... and that WILL cause for an immediate drop off in performance. It is unlikely that his greatest weapon - those checks and audibles at the line - will get used much while they all get acclimated to each others ways and what not.


So, in terms of career and legacy, and potential for going out on top - I see him finding a way to stay there, even if it means doing a restructuring.... something that takes that option bonus and converts it into a signing bonus, which lets the team amortize the cap hit over the length of the contract instead of it being a one-year hit.

It will also then open cap space for them to do other things - which includes carrying a guy named Luck and signing their own Free Agents.

I'm wondering what they are going to do at head coach, because that is going to greatly influence what they do with Manning.

If the keep Caldwell (I don't think they will) I think it is obvious they are going to keep Manning. Manning runs a very unique system and Caldwell would keep everything consistent with what Manning has been doing for his whole career.

If they fire Caldwell and hire someone familiar with what the Colts do then I still think they keep Manning. Maybe someone who has previously coached under Dungy or promote someone from within the organization.

If they fire Caldwell and hire someone like Brian Schottenheimer or Mike Sherman or Rob Ryan (someone who has no ties to the Colts or Dungy) then I think Manning is gone and they start to build everything around Luck.

In the end I think they fire Caldwell and hire someone with the Manning seal of approval.

Not to mention the $20 signing bonus he got when he inked the deal. The prorated portion of that accelerates if they trade him.

Ha. $4. But multiplied by a million

I don't think the Colts could absorb a $16 cap hit. Someone would be forced to skip lunch.

I understand that he gets the money all at once, and the proration only applies for salary cap purposes. According to Spotrac.com, his $28 million option bonus is also already being prorated for cap purposes even though it hasn't been paid yet.

Well, depending upon how far under the cap they were in 2011, that may help... but they could just as easily restructure Peyton to gain cap room PLUS have that 2011 cap space come forward.

Basically, they aren't in the tight decision bind that a lot of folks seem to think that they are... they have some very easy options available to them that don't involve an either/or situation between Manning & Luck.

If Peyton Manning goes anywhere it will be the New York Jets. That's just my opinion though. There is no way on God's green Earth he is coming here. The Colt's would not do that to him and Manning wouldn't allow that.

That article in the Flynn thread is the first I've heard of that. I'd have to do more research before I could say one way or the other.

I'm looking through the CBA right now, and I've yet to find it.

I've found something that applies to the league spending as a whole adjusting the overall cap upward or downward, but nothing - yet - on individual team spending affecting the following year.




Also, I'm seeing that under the new CBA (and perhaps the old), that Option Bonuses are treated as Signing Bonuses... so, the Colts may not even have to restructure Peyton. They already may be able to amortize the option bonus over the remaining years... although, a restructuring may allow them to spread it over a longer time frame.



And, right after I wrote the above, I found this:

https://www.dawgtalkers.net/uploads/NFLCBA2011-20.pdf

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(v) Carrying Over Room. A Club may “carry over” Room from one League Year to the following League Year by submitting notice in writing signed by the owner to the NFL no later than fourteen (14) days prior to the start of the next League Year indicating the maximum amount of Room that the Club wishes to carry over. The NFL shall promptly provide a copy of any such notice to the NFLPA. The amount of Room carried over will be adjusted downward based on the final Room available after the year-end reconciliation

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...ce-for-healing/

Peyton calls current Colts atmosphere “not . . . a very good place for healing”

Posted by Mike Florio on January 24, 2012, 9:35 AM EST

In a lengthy interview containing plenty of content, context, and clues about the future of the Colts current franchise quarterback, Peyton Manning makes it abundantly clear to Bob Kravitz of the Indianapolis Star that now isn’t the best time to be an employee of the team.

“I’m not in a very good place for healing, let’s say that,’’ Manning said, regarding the team’s facility. “It’s not a real good environment down there right now, to say the least. Everybody’s walking around on eggshells. I don’t recognize our building right now. There’s such complete and total change.’’

That explanation implies that Manning is still healing. Which means he isn’t healthy. And it also means he’s necessarily frustrated by the fact that he has to try to get healthy in the midst of revolutionary change.

“I mean, it’s 20 degrees, it’s snowing, the building is absolutely empty except when you see coaches cleaning out their offices,’’ Manning told Kravitz. “I guess it’s the reality of the football world, just not something I’ve had to deal with very often. But I’m in there every day, so I have to sit there and see it. Everybody’s being evaluated and I’m no different. It’s not the best environment.”

Peyton adroitly has positioned the decision on his future as a decision that not he but owner Jim Irsay will make.

“One thing [new G.M. Ryan Grigson] kind-of, sort-of told me, without really wanting to tell me, was that Irsay will be the guy I’m going to sit down and talk with,’’ Manning said. “That’s going to happen at some point, but we haven’t had that conversation yet because we really don’t need to have that conversation yet.’’

Did you catch that one? It’s subtle, but significant. Not “Jim” or “Jimmy” or “Mr. Irsay.” Just “Irsay.” Peyton refers to “Irsay” as “Jim” on at least two other occasions in the interview, but to call the owner only “Irsay” in that specific moment is telling.

Folks, Peyton isn’t happy.

“One of the things about football is, it’s a relationship business,’’ Manning said. “Sometimes guys get fired, it goes across the ticker, ‘Jim Caldwell got fired’ and that’s that. But when it’s every day in a relationship business . . . with Bill [Polian], with Marvin [Harrison], Edge [James], guys who retire, get cut, traded or fired, it’s just really hard. I don’t think I have an emotion for it.”

Did you catch that one? Peyton puts Bill Polian in the same category as Marvin Harrison and Edgerrin James.

Folks, Peyton isn’t happy.

“I just want to pay tribute to all those guys,” Manning said. “It’s unfortunate because so many of them have been such a big part of so many big wins here, and this is so . . . sudden. Their keys didn’t work the next day. There’s no other way to do it? I don’t know. That’s hard to see, all these people leaving.”

Folks, Peyton really isn’t happy.

But he’s setting it up so that if (when) he ends up playing for another team, it’ll happen because the Colts left him with no options.

“I don’t want to get into some kind of fan campaign with the owner, but I think it’s well documented that I want to play in the same place my whole career,’’ Manning said, which could be just enough to launch a fan campaign with the owner. “It’s been a privilege to play here. I love the fans, the city, the transformation of the fans, how our place has become the toughest stadium to play in, the fact our fans wear more jerseys to games than anybody else. It’s been fun to be a part of that.

“But I understand how it works. I understand tough decisions have to be made. There’s personal and there’s business and that’s where we’ve got to separate the two. I’ve seen other guys leave places and it was personal. I’ve invested too much into this city for that to happen. We live here, we’ve given lots of time and money to the community and our church, and that’s never going to change. Nothing changes that.”

Manning says nothing about whether he’ll agree to delay the $28 million option bonus that comes due on March 8 in order to give the team more time to determine whether he’s healthy before paying him that money. But given his current mindset, it’d be surprising to see him do anything he doesn’t have to do in order to make things any easier for an organization that has made things harder than necessary on Manning’s former coworkers.

“There’s no other way to do it?“

Yep, Peyton won’t be doing “Irsay” any favors.

At the heart of the matter is, I firmly believe, the team’s apparent intention to use the first overall pick in the draft on Peyton’s successor instead of dangling that pick for the kind of modern-day Herschel Walker package that could propel the Colts to more Super Bowl wins. I’d previously believed that Peyton already had made that known to “Irsay.” I now believe that Peyton has come to that conclusion without articulating it to the team. Yet.

Manning may never have to. If, due to the current environment in the building, he’s not healed by March 8 and not willing to throw “Irsay” a bone by backing up the due date, the decision that Manning may secretly want will be made by someone else.

The only thing we know for sure is that, contrary to the “report” last week from Rob Lowe, Peyton isn’t retiring. Yet.

“I never thought ‘Sodapop Curtis’ would announce my retirement,” Manning said.

The full interview merits a complete read. And none of this should be regarded as criticism of Peyton Manning. I’m simply trying to analyze and interpret the facts, the statements, and the possible motivations. He’s a smart guy, and he’s hardly a passive participant in his life.

Peyton surely knows what he wants to do, and his comments to Kravitz surely are aimed at making it happen that way, with minimal damage to the Peyton Manning brand, in Indy or elsewhere.

Since 1999 this has been the normal in Berea...

Well, Peyton doesn't have a lot of experience with a coaching staff being fired. Only time it happened to him was when Mora was let go. Then Dungy came on, and then he retired and Caldwell just stepped into place.

I'm taking bets...

If "Irsay' says to Payton: Payton my boy,, I'll give you the 28 million dollars you are owed to stay.. I want you to start if you are capable. If you are not, I want you to stay on to mentor Andrew Luck, your successor. If at some point during the season, you can play, then you play. Luck will have his time later.

How much you wanna bet if "Irsay' says that to Manning, he's suddenly be happy again

Because media is an entertainment industry. Journalists are long extinct.

Spoiled?

There was a story around his first year in the NFL, off the field.

Huh?

One thing I get out of this read.....Folks, Peyton isn’t happy.

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82...ng-if-available

By all accounts, one of the Miami Dolphins' top offseason priorities is to upgrade at quarterback, either through free agency or the draft.

The Miami Herald reported Monday, citing two people with direct knowledge of the team's plans, that the Dolphins would prefer the former route to the latter, with the ultimate goal of landing Indianapolis Colts quarterback Peyton Manning -- provided the future Hall of Famer becomes a free agent and is medically cleared to play.
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Manning, who missed the entire 2011 season after undergoing neck surgery in September, could become a free agent if the Colts elect not to exercise a $28 million roster bonus he's due by March 8.

Dolphins owner Stephen Ross didn't discuss Manning, but he told reporters Monday that "I'm looking for a franchise quarterback."

"That's the highest thing on our agenda," Ross said, according to the South Florida Sun Sentinel.

According to the Herald, other options for the Dolphins could include Green Bay Packers backup quarterback Matt Flynn, who'll be a free agent, or a draft trade for Baylor quarterback Robert Griffin III.

Newly hired Dolphins coach Joe Philbin, formerly the Packers' offensive coordinator, worked with Flynn throughout the entirety of the four-year veteran's career in Green Bay.

Dolphins get Peyton
We get Flynn
Washington trades us their 2nd and next year's 1st to move up for RGIII.

Hey, I can dream (that is not going to happen)

There was talk about the Cardinals being interested in Manning...

This is why I hate "unnamed sources"

Because all this talk is borderline tampering, either that or writers are just making crap up...

i like manning, but i don't think that is the direction the browns should go in all honesty; he's a veteran qb who could bring leadership and teach one of our younger guys, but he is going to cost a lot of money that we could spend elsewhere, and if for some reason he is able to stay healthy, it seems like we would be stuck with him as his career kind of faded out if that makes sense; he might have a good couple years left, but i feel like if he isn't going to walk away now there is that slight chance that he pulls a brett favre and ends up in the league when he really shouldn't be anymore which could be counter-productive toward our future goals.

So he'd be ok with eith Charlie Batch, Kevin Kolb, Mark Sanchez, or John Kitna...

BUT...

Doesn't want PEYTON MANNING...

...Because MAYBE in a few years he won't be any good...

Up unitl the Manning comments, I thought he was channeling Jon Gruden

When I first heard the Colts would consider trading Manning, I thought hmmm maybe we could.... then I thought harder... and thought absolutely not!

Why would they trade for Manning? The Colts are going to cut him within the next few months. If they traded for him, they'd have to pay that insane $28 million bonus and own the rest of the contract. Wait it out and sign him later (that is, if you trust his neck - I wouldn't).

I want to quote the posts above and in other threads that said the Colts would NEVER trade or cut Manning and that they won't draft Luck in any circumstance. Look where we are now...just where the other half of this board said we would be....Manning won't be a Colt and Luck will be.

As of right now, Manning STILL can't play. His neck is still not right and the doctors/Manning don't know when it will be ok. He's has had three neck surgeries in 19 months and isn't field ready (muscle atrophy is a concern).....AND he'll be 36 in late March AND cost $28 million to keep on the roster all while the Colts hold the #1 pick with a high probable stud franchise QB waiting to be selected (who under the new CBA rules, will cost practially nothing compared to Manning).

Meanwhile, the owner has fired just about everyone in the organization calling it a fresh start.

Soooooo...are there still people willing to argue Manning is a Colt in 2012 and the #1 overall pick gets traded?

But wait the colts may think that RGIII is better or at least as good as Luck there is still hope.

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Why would they trade for Manning? The Colts are going to cut him within the next few months. If they traded for him, they'd have to pay that insane $28 million bonus and own the rest of the contract.

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Schefter has this one pegged...

Manning WILL NOT delay payment on that 28M...He's DONE in Indy...If he delays it from the 8th to any date later than the 13th which is the start of the new league year...Indy can then trade him and it will take HIGH draft picks away from Manning's new team...He won't do that...

He's gonna be a FREE AGENT come March 8th...

Hopefully he goes to Miami or Washington...Even Seattle...And hopefully Flynn goes to one of those 3 and the remaining team deals for any other QB out there...WHY???

Those 3 teams solidify the QB spot and RGIII is OURS if we want em'...NO trade up needed...

It's time we take the shot at our QB of the future instead of screwin' around with these damn PROJECTS like McCoy...And Tannehill...Foles...Or anything else available outside round one this year...

And it's IGNORANT to think this team can WAIT till 2013 for a QB...You're playin' Russian Roullette if u think u can get a good QB when you're drafting in the 14-20 slot...It just don't happen...I don't care what the LIST some might throw out here is...It just don't happen...

U gotta STRIKE when you're this high at 4...And have the ammo to move if need be...

The more teams taking the likes of Manning and Flynn the better for us to get RGIII at 4 and NOT have to move up...And it WILL NOT set your franchise back if a #4 pick at QB ends up AVG...Especially when u can back it up with a 22 pick...