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Hopefully he goes to Miami or Washington...Even Seattle...And hopefully Flynn goes to one of those 3 and the remaining team deals for any other QB out there...WHY???
Those 3 teams solidify the QB spot and RGIII is OURS if we want em'...NO trade up needed...
Flynn to Miami is just about as sure a thing as anything is a sure thing. Where Manning lands is anybodies guess, but Snyder breaking the bank for a player would not be unheard of..... so in a bidding war, Manning is a redskin.
I really do not see Carroll breaking the bank to trade up, TJack played well down the stretch with an injury. Maybe they go Tannehill later on.... if they want to upgrade QB.
So that is really leaving RGIII at #4. I still think its trying to fit a square peg into a round hole, but if the browns are willing to modify the offense to his skill sets, then i'm ok with it. But i am not ok with trading up for him- let the draft come to us.
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I agree that Flynn is likely headed to Miami.
Where could Peyton head (if he's healthy and an UFA)? Here are my top5 landing spots:
1. NY Jets - Mannings control NYC. Peyton can try to stick it to Brady directly. Jets are most ready-made contender that would surely like to upgrade the QB spot.
2. Seattle Seahawks - really, they make alot of sense. They have alot of good parts and a good defense and really Peyton would push them over the edge. and Carroll would love the splashy play.
3. Denver Broncos - Peyton is about the only QB who Elway could start and not completely upset his fans about benching Tebow. Use Tebow like Meyer did Tebow's freshman year and Denver would become very interesting in a very winnable division.
4. Arizona Cardinals - don't old people retire to AZ? they have the defense, they have the WR in Fitz. they'd have to find him more weapons and really upgrade their OL or he'll get killed (though Peyton's quick release will help there too). not sure if they can get out from Kolb's contract already (or that they would really want to as he wasn't as bad last year as people make it out to be).
5. KC Chiefs - hey, it worked for Joe Montana. New HC (Romeo) and a new staff means that Peyton can set things to his liking. They have plenty of weapons on offense and their defense looked stout. Heck, they probably should be higher on this list (not sure what happens to their cap if they cut Cassell).
talked about destinations I do not see:
Washington - they will give him $$$, but they have alot of work before they are a contender.
Baltimore - football players travel from Baltimore to Indy, not the other way.
Titans - he's not Favre and I think he'd like to keep his fans in Indy.
Dolphins - they are in play if they don't get Flynn, but I think they do.
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Are the Packers allowed to franchise/trade flynn before Free Agency starts? Because Manning's $28 mil is due a week earlier.
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They could use the franchise on him......but
1. They would be paying a ton of money for two QBs (one on the bench)
2. Jermichael Finley is a UFA. I would expect the franchise tag be used here.
I would bet they put a 1st round tender or whatever it's called to get back at least 1 first rounder if he's signed (or maybe they can negotiate lower - but it would be a trade no matter what).
If the Packers can get a draft pick out of Flynn walking out the door, they will make sure it happens. NO WAY he walks as an UFA.
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Are the Packers allowed to franchise/trade flynn before Free Agency starts? Because Manning's $28 mil is due a week earlier.
from what has been written, they can franchise him, but would need him to sign the tender and cannot officially trade him until the beginning of the league year (1st day of FA).
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If Manning is cut before FA, is he free to sign with another team then? Or does he also wait until March 15th? I'm just trying to figure out if one guy is going to be settled before the other.
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If he is released/cut, he is immediately a free agent and immediately able to sign with any team.
The other free agents' contracts don't end until the end of the league year, which is the start of the Free Agency period... thus, they cannot sign with a new team until then.
If Manning is healthy, I just don't see him going anywhere. Forget about the money aspect, that means absolutely nothing because it CAN be worked out so that it is - at most - a minor issue.
If he isn't healthy, I don't see him doing anything but retiring - maybe taking a year off and going into coaching.
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I'll give you my P.Manning odds right now:
.1% - Colts pick up the option and he retires in Indy
4.9% - Colts don't pick the option up but he resigns with Indy
15% - Colts don't pick the option up and he signs right away elsewhere
35% - Colts don't pick the option up and Manning retires due to his neck
45% - Colts don't pick the option up and he signs around training camp or later elsewhere (assuming a team will wait until he can throw)
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You forgot the most obvious.... they re-do his contract and that roster bonus that everyone is wetting themselves over simply becomes the signing bonus on a nice, new, long contract that take him to the age of 40-42.
Manning gets the fat chunk of change and the Colts get to prorate it over a slightly longer period of time.
The roster bonus is meaningless and is not the obstacle that the media makes it out to be. It is simply a mechanism for both sides to pause and evaluate if they want to continue on.
If healthy, I see no way that Manning leaves.
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I think his health is the key point....and with him unable to throw due to pain and nobody knowing when he will be ready....I think that's ultimately why the Colts will say goodbye to Manning.
I don't live in Indy and I don't listen to Indy talk radio, but I would be most of the city is ok with moving on to the Luck era. They will of course say an official "Thank you" to Peyton and maybe build him a statue....but I would bet most Colts fans would be fine with starting over.
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I think his health is the ONLY issue... and if he can't play for the Colts, he won't be able to play anywhere.
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I think his health is the ONLY issue... and if he can't play for the Colts, he won't be able to play anywhere.
that depends on timelines. if he's not healthy enough to evaluate until July, then Indy may have moved on but another team may be willing to take a look.
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I think his health is the ONLY issue... and if he can't play for the Colts, he won't be able to play anywhere.
that depends on timelines. if he's not healthy enough to evaluate until July, then Indy may have moved on but another team may be willing to take a look.
A teamlike the Jets can go into this season with Sanchez at the ready, but no doubt at the drop of a hat could sign Manning...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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I think his health is the ONLY issue... and if he can't play for the Colts, he won't be able to play anywhere.
that depends on timelines. if he's not healthy enough to evaluate until July, then Indy may have moved on but another team may be willing to take a look.
A teamlike the Jets can go into this season with Sanchez at the ready, but no doubt at the drop of a hat could sign Manning...
exactly. same with the Chiefs (Cassell), Cardinals (Kolb), and even the Seahawks (Tavaris + whoever they draft).
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The he said-he said between Colts owner Jim Irsay and QB Peyton Manning this week ended awkwardly with a joint statement from the duo, an effort to “dispel any misperceptions.”
Apparently, they hugged talked it out.
OK, so we’ll buy that Irsay and Manning are all good. But what the statement didn’t say was that Manning will remain with the Colts. While it remains to be seen if he ever will play again, any misperceptions that the four-time NFL MVP will do so with the Colts appear to be long gone.
Just how far?
“According to sources who were involved in the Colts’ GM search, the organization was planning to move on from Manning weeks ago, well before this public squabble between the quarterback and his owner,” NFL Network insider Jason La Canfora said Friday on “NFL Total Access.”
“So Friday’s joint statement won’t be changing a thing.”
La Canfora reported the Colts will make a move on Manning “almost certainly” before the start of the 2012 NFL Scouting Combine.
That means Irsay only will be able to avoid the distinction of being the owner who dumped Manning for a few more weeks. It’s difficult to blame Irsay for the circumstances, though, given Manning is owed a $28 million roster bonus and the owner has acknowledged his franchise is rebuilding with a new front office, new coaching staff and the likely choice of Stanford QB Andrew Luck with the top overall draft pick.
It’s difficult to see where Manning fits in that scenario, on a team that could be without veterans Reggie Wayne, Jeff Saturday and Robert Mathis. The subtle messages from Team Manning have suggested as much.
It seems the best use of time now is to determine where Manning fits best.
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I hope this is true. If it this true this seems like such a Dan Synder move to me. Seriously the Redskins have a pretty good defense some weapons on offensive and their QB position pretty much made them terrible. Peyton Manning can fit in any offense and you know Shanahan would like to work with a real QB again.
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Manning, if he plays, will want to go somewhere that has some good targets. The Redskins don't have that.
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Manning, if he plays, will want to go somewhere that has some good targets. The Redskins don't have that.
Possibly a team that might be a contender already minus the QB to get them there coupled with a GM/owner who likes to make a big splash in player acquisitions.
Sounds like the Dallas Cowboys to me.
Witch would mean that Tony Romo could possibly be traded if Jerry Jones gets into the game for Manning.
Of coarse this is all speculations at this point.
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Manning, if he plays, will want to go somewhere that has some good targets. The Redskins don't have that.
couple more FA's and they could have it..
I still think that Manning will be a Colt come next season... Just a guess.
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I just keep thinking, "Is there any way the 49ers lose that game against the Giants if they have Peyton Manning?"
The answer is no. Alex Smith was terrible in that game.
I think they are the perfect place for Manning. The have a great defense. Harbaugh would give Manning the keys to the offense. They have Vernon Davis and Michael Crabtree, plus money to spend in free agency.
Other teams that make sense. The Jets come to mind, but will Manning really want to play for a coach like Rex Ryan. The Dolphins have a pretty good offensive line, Brandon Marshall, and a good defense. That might make sense. The Cardinals have no offensive line, but they have a good defense, and it would be fun to chuck balls up to Fitzgerald.
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Manning, if he plays, will want to go somewhere that has some good targets. The Redskins don't have that.
couple more FA's and they could have it..
I still think that Manning will be a Colt come next season... Just a guess.
The Colts will not pay the $28 million bonus ..... so he will become a free agent. The Colts will be drafting their future, so they will say their thanks to Manning for all that he has done, and move on.
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I just keep thinking, "Is there any way the 49ers lose that game against the Giants if they have Peyton Manning?"
The answer is no. Alex Smith was terrible in that game.
I think they are the perfect place for Manning. The have a great defense. Harbaugh would give Manning the keys to the offense. They have Vernon Davis and Michael Crabtree, plus money to spend in free agency.
Other teams that make sense. The Jets come to mind, but will Manning really want to play for a coach like Rex Ryan. The Dolphins have a pretty good offensive line, Brandon Marshall, and a good defense. That might make sense. The Cardinals have no offensive line, but they have a good defense, and it would be fun to chuck balls up to Fitzgerald.
I agree the 9ers could be a good place and another possibility for Manning and they have made investments up front that would certainly make them appealing to the old vet.
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Manning, if he plays, will want to go somewhere that has some good targets. The Redskins don't have that.
couple more FA's and they could have it..
I still think that Manning will be a Colt come next season... Just a guess.
The Colts will not pay the $28 million bonus ..... so he will become a free agent. The Colts will be drafting their future, so they will say their thanks to Manning for all that he has done, and move on.
I know what the contract calls for.. And I agree, the Colts will not pay that much.. But that doesn't mean that the contract can't be redone with a smaller number given that there isn't any guarantee that Manning will ever play again.
Manning isn't going to get a 28 million dollar signing bonus anywhere. I'm sure Manning already knows that.
so before they cut him, they'll try to put a deal on the table that Manning will accept. it will be lucrative.. but not 28 million..
I still think manning will be a Colt, Luck will be drafted to sit and learn for a year, manning will either retire or be traded or cut the following year and the keys to the truck will be handed to Luck.
And that's ONLY if Manning can even play again ever.
I was listening to some radio show (or was it TV) anyway, they had Bill Polian on and were interviewing him. he said that the most Vexing thing was not knowing if Manning will ever be able to play again. do you spend the money and then find out he can't? do you cut your losses, or do you find middle ground by paying him to stay, but not the 28 million.
I can imagine that if Manning were 100% and everyone knew it, they'd have to pay.. or lose him.
Anyway, we'll all know soon enough..
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I doubt that Manning wants to go back to a team that has drafted his replacement. I doubt that the Colts draft Luck to have him ride the pine. I think that Manning probably wants to find the best team he can find so he can go out on his terms.
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I doubt that Manning wants to go back to a team that has drafted his replacement. I doubt that the Colts draft Luck to have him ride the pine. I think that Manning probably wants to find the best team he can find so he can go out on his terms.
And that could be the case.. dunno..
I just don't think the 28 million is going to enter into the picture..
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How could $28 million NOT enter into things?  Peyton Manning, healthy and ready to go, is worth a $28 million roster bonus. Peyton Manning, uncertain of his ability to play and unsure about his future in general is not ... especially if the salary cap is somewhere around $130 million. That's a ton of money to tie up in a "maybe" .... too much, in fact.
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Lets see...
March 8th, you owe Manning 28 million. Free Agency doesn't start until March 13th. So there's no way to hold onto him and trade him, not that anyone would trade for that contract anyway.
You don't know right now if Manning is healthy enough to play and not even sure if he'll ever be healthy enough again to play. You just paid him 20 plus million to sit out last season.
You own the #1 overall pick and taking Luck costs you only his rookie reduced contract.
You're in a rebuilding year complete with new coaching staff and probably many current players will be leaving.
That 28 million you'll save not to mention what you'll save from the exiting players will not only cover the rooks contracts but will cover some nice additions in Free Agency.
The NFL is a business and what someone did for you yesterday is nice on a stats line but today means nothing.
Now you're the owner, what do you do?
Is this really even a question any longer?
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I just keep thinking, "Is there any way the 49ers lose that game against the Giants if they have Peyton Manning?"
The answer is no. Alex Smith was terrible in that game.
I think they are the perfect place for Manning. The have a great defense. Harbaugh would give Manning the keys to the offense. They have Vernon Davis and Michael Crabtree, plus money to spend in free agency.
Other teams that make sense. The Jets come to mind, but will Manning really want to play for a coach like Rex Ryan. The Dolphins have a pretty good offensive line, Brandon Marshall, and a good defense. That might make sense. The Cardinals have no offensive line, but they have a good defense, and it would be fun to chuck balls up to Fitzgerald.
I rarely agree with anything you write, but these are my thoughts exactly concerning Manning. 
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How could $28 million NOT enter into things?
Peyton Manning, healthy and ready to go, is worth a $28 million roster bonus. Peyton Manning, uncertain of his ability to play and unsure about his future in general is not ... especially if the salary cap is somewhere around $130 million. That's a ton of money to tie up in a "maybe" .... too much, in fact.
Well, it won't enter into the picture because they probably never had any intention of paying that money. but let's say they did, would you pay it now? I sure as hell wouldn't.
If I'm Irsay, I try my best to keep manning. he's an Icon in Indy.. he's the face of the franchise. The PR nightmare of not keeping him will be horrendous.
Is he worth it today, .. no,I don't think so, not at this point in his career..I don't care where he plays, he's not going to get that 28 million signing bonus.
hey,, now that you bring up the hit to the CAP.. if he gets the 28 million, does the whole thing hit the CAP or can it be spread? Just wondering.
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hey,, now that you bring up the hit to the CAP.. if he gets the 28 million, does the whole thing hit the CAP or can it be spread? Just wondering.
What do you mean?
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hey,, now that you bring up the hit to the CAP.. if he gets the 28 million, does the whole thing hit the CAP or can it be spread? Just wondering.
What do you mean?
What I mean is, let's say he does get the 28 million signing.. (it could be any number I guess) does that get spread over the length of the contract or is it something that hits the CAP right then and there?
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Roster, workout and option bonuses are treated as signing bonuses for cap calculating purposes... they get prorated over the remaining duration of the contract.
So, if there is like 3 years left on his deal, the 28 million is divided evenly among them (it is all paid in full to him immediately, but is accounted for on the books over the remaining years).
They can also quite easily just tear up the current deal and sign a new one with a longer term.. .and just turn that roster/option bonus into a signing bonus and spread it out over 5 or 7 years.
The math of making $28 million fit is NOT a problem here at all.
Browns is the Browns
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Roster, workout and option bonuses are treated as signing bonuses for cap calculating purposes... they get prorated over the remaining duration of the contract.
So, if there is like 3 years left on his deal, the 28 million is divided evenly among them (it is all paid in full to him immediately, but is accounted for on the books over the remaining years).
They can also quite easily just tear up the current deal and sign a new one with a longer term.. .and just turn that roster/option bonus into a signing bonus and spread it out over 5 or 7 years.
The math of making $28 million fit is NOT a problem here at all.
Ok, so with that information in hand, if they want him, they can pay him, spread it over 10 years (or whatever) and not take a cap hit of major significance.
Now more than ever, I believe Manning will remain a colt. And if able, he'll start next season, and if healthy, years beyond that. Luck will be drafted and he'll sit behind him
see how easy that was? LOL
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And technically that's true.
However, if Manning does not pass a physical and is released after being paid his roster bonus, then it would accelerate. (amounts depend upon when he is released, and over how many years the bonus could be pro-rated)
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Oh. Gotcha.
The guaranteed $28 million dollar bonus is spread over the length of the contract, for yearly salary cap number purposes. It actually factored into his 2011 salary cap number, even though it hadn't been paid at that point. Because it's a 5-year contract, the yearly cap number for the bonus is $5.6 million (guaranteed money is a straight-line amortization over the life of the contract, up to a certain number of years).
Manning also got a $20 million signing bonus when he signed the deal last year, so that guaranteed money is also spread evenly across the life of the contract for cap number purposes, at $4 million per season.
On top of that is Manning's annual (non-guaranteed) base salary. For 2012 it's scheduled to be $7.4 million. So, Manning's total cap number for the 2012 season is the base salary of $7.4 million plus the yearly cap numbers for each of the bonuses at $4 million and $5.6 million, for a total of $17 million towards their 2012 salary cap number.
Now, if they cut him before paying the $28 million dollar bonus, they'll take a one-time cap hit of $16 million, because of the remaining unamortized amount of his $20 million signing bonus. They won't be obligated to pay any of the non-guaranteed salary or the $28 million bonus. If they were to pay him the $28 million bonus and then cut him before June 1st, they'll take a 2012 salary cap hit of $38.4 million, which is the total amount of unamortized guaranteed money between the signing bonus and the roster bonus. If they cut him after June 1st, they take a $28.8 million hit to their 2013 salary cap number, plus a $9.6 million cap hit in 2012.
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If I'm Irsay, I try my best to keep manning. he's an Icon in Indy.. he's the face of the franchise. The PR nightmare of not keeping him will be horrendous.
This is where we need some in-Indy insight from the fans. My sister and bro-in-law live there...I should call him up. Though, that would still only be one voice (and he's a Steeler fan at that).
I've said this before, I would bet most fans are ready to move on. It's not a bad decision and there's no disrespect to Manning....but he's not healthy (and nobody knows when/if he'll be ready to play), he's 36 in March, Luck is the next guy and this team is rebuilding.
I've read a few national columnists comment how Manning deserves better than this. I don't really buy into that. Manning has benefited just the same as the fan, city and franchise. They've all gotten rich and reaped rewards of having a winning team. What more does Manning deserve? I assume all his checks cashed fine. And being on an NFL team with a lot of talent helped him become the #1 marketable athlete in sports (well, top 3-4).
How does Manning deserve better than getting cut at this point in his career? HE signed this latest contract where the team owns the decision. I just don't have an pity for him.....he became famous, rich, put his name all over NFL history and won a ring. What more is he owed?
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Ok, so with that information in hand, if they want him, they can pay him, spread it over 10 years (or whatever) and not take a cap hit of major significance.
Signing bonuses can't be prorated over a term of more than 5 years, or 2 years beyond the expiration of the current CBA. And at some point, all that bonus money is going to accelerate. The only hope the Colts would have is that he's deemed to have been medically forced to retire and they can apply for salary cap relief. If he comes back and plays and doesn't suffer a serious game-related injury, I don't think that would be very likely.
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If I'm Irsay, I try my best to keep manning. he's an Icon in Indy.. he's the face of the franchise. The PR nightmare of not keeping him will be horrendous.
This is where we need some in-Indy insight from the fans. My sister and bro-in-law live there...I should call him up. Though, that would still only be one voice (and he's a Steeler fan at that).
I've said this before, I would bet most fans are ready to move on. It's not a bad decision and there's no disrespect to Manning....but he's not healthy (and nobody knows when/if he'll be ready to play), he's 36 in March, Luck is the next guy and this team is rebuilding.
I've read a few national columnists comment how Manning deserves better than this. I don't really buy into that. Manning has benefited just the same as the fan, city and franchise. They've all gotten rich and reaped rewards of having a winning team. What more does Manning deserve? I assume all his checks cashed fine. And being on an NFL team with a lot of talent helped him become the #1 marketable athlete in sports (well, top 3-4).
How does Manning deserve better than getting cut at this point in his career? HE signed this latest contract where the team owns the decision. I just don't have an pity for him.....he became famous, rich, put his name all over NFL history and won a ring. What more is he owed?
I know if I were the owner of the colts, I would do everything in my power to let manning play another year in indy, if he was healthy. Just out of respect for manning, for what he has accomplished in indy. Who knows where that franchise might be if manning didn't play for them the past 12 seasons. Almost any other player, you probably don't think twice about letting go, but manning is a first ballot hall of famer, has made millions for your family, so I would definitely would want to treat him right.
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Ok, so with that information in hand, if they want him, they can pay him, spread it over 10 years (or whatever) and not take a cap hit of major significance.
Signing bonuses can't be prorated over a term of more than 5 years, or 2 years beyond the expiration of the current CBA. And at some point, all that bonus money is going to accelerate. The only hope the Colts would have is that he's deemed to have been medically forced to retire and they can apply for salary cap relief. If he comes back and plays and doesn't suffer a serious game-related injury, I don't think that would be very likely.
Thus the reason I wrote, 10 years (or whatever).. I wasn't aware of the time allowed.. but figured it wasn't exactly 10 years...
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