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Some very enjoyable reading this morning in the QB Draft Threads... It's obvious we have 2 trains of thought going on here concerning making a move to get Luck at #1... 1) Go get em'...(MY CHOICE) 2) DO NOT Go get em'...(We will have no draft left for 2 years)... I want to disprove the MYTH that making a move to acquire Luck (Who virtually every Professional Pundit agrees is going to be a TOP notch QB) is going to hinder our ability to continue building this team... Let's see how much we really would be hindered by getting Luck...We make the move to #1...Here's a viable COST for doing so...And I will stretch it one additional pick for arguments sake...Our 2012 Atlanta pick is better than any 2nd rounder...Therefore it will not be included... 2012 #4 Pick 2012 Atlanta Pick (#24) 2012 3rd Rounder 2012 4th Rounder (Atlanta's #120...#24) 2013 1st Rounder That should be plenty to get it done...Moving only 3 spots... The 2013 draft may be difficult to throw names into due to the fact that many don't follow that far ahead...Along with not knowing who'd come out JR wise...So let's just keep it to the 2012 draft and Free Agency...Players we could legitimately acquire via both FA and with our remaining picks AFTER moving up to get Luck... Let's see what this team could potentially look like after acquiring the Face of Cleveland...For those of us that wanna go up and get Luck...Prove we can still improve this Football Team after spending 3 First Rounders + 2 other picks... Mock Draft our remaining picks and Free Agency... FA---1) FA---2) FA---3) FA---4) FA Listing-- web page Draft Rnd 1---#1---Luck Rnd 2---#36--- Rnd 4---#100--- Rnd 5---#131--- Rnd 6---#184--- Rnd 7---#194--- Top Prospects-- web page
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DnD,, I want to be sure I completely understand this. Are you saying that this is what we'd have to give up to get the 1st overall pick in the draft from indy?
2012 #4 Pick
2012 Atlanta Pick (#24)
2012 3rd Rounder
2012 4th Rounder (Atlanta's #120...#24)
2013 1st Rounder
And am I right in assuming that you think that giving all that up for Luck will not have a negative impact on the team going forward.
And that's of course assuming that Luck is indeed everything everyone says he is...
What if he isn't? Now we are out a Starting QB, and 4 picks that could have produced a couple of WR and a DE and maybe a LB or Safety.
Of course, all this rests on if I understood you correctly about what you think we'd have to give up to get the 1st overall pick. if I got it wrong,, my bad..
Anyway, it's probably moot since I have no doubt in my mind that Luck will be a Colt by April. I just don't think Indy would pass up getting what you and many others feel is a Can't Miss QB of the future.
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If it took that much to get him we'd be nuts to do it.
If Indy turned us down, they'd be nuts.
Sorry, thats alot of picks for my liking. I'll use them to build the team.
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I agree with that...I'd take Luck if he is there when we pick...but I wouldn't even give up the ATL #1 to move up to get Luck...let alone the bounty that others are willing to give up.
In the three or so games that I have watched Luck this year, I have seen a guy who I think could be pretty good...but I am yet to see a guy that I would compare to Manning or Elway as college prospects...not even close.
He is the best QB in this draft...yet he is not even close to being worth the madness that some are suggesting.
To give up that much to move up 3 spots is just silly...especially for a guy who - I think - is not the great prospect he is being touted as being. (A great prospect ? Yes. The next Elway/Manning? I think no way.)
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I just have to ask.. are you actually typing all of that with a straight face?
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If it took that much to get him we'd be nuts to do it.
If Indy turned us down, they'd be nuts.
Sorry, thats alot of picks for my liking. I'll use them to build the team.
Actually...it's pretty cheap...and I expect any trade for Luck to be even more expensive
Value chart difference between pick 1 and 4 are 1200p...assuming the ATL pick is 24, that's barely 740p....next year's 1st has around the same value (always lesser value and risk of not knowing where the pick will be)...so we barely cover the point differential with both 1sts...the 3rd and 4th combined are worth around 300p...I don't see it....Indy will want at least another 2nd or 1st instead of the 3rd/4th
You guys are WAY to prospect happy around here...and I consider myself prospect happy....and I know that picks have value...I'm the 1st to tell you that normally....but this particular draft, this set up of QB need, owning 2 1sts and once in a decade QB prospect change that imho...good GMs move when there is an opportunity...Heckert isn't gun shy, he knows that..he even trades up in the low rounds for guys he really likes and has a higher grade on (Pinkston)...
It's like on gameday...most of the time playing it safe and by the book is the right thing to do..but there are certain situations where you have to go get it and play call accordingly...this draft IS such a situation imho...thank god Heckert isn't a "not to lose GM" content with waiting what's left on the board....Mangini drafted that way...imagine what it would have "only" cost us to move up back into the 1st and draft Nicks....we had 3 2nd rounders...with 2 we could have had Nicks...who would trade Robo and Massa for Nicks now?
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I wouldn't give up that much to move up 3 spots but I would give up a lot if I thought Luck was a franchise QB. Every team needs one and we do not have one.
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U bet your ass Damn that I'd do this in a blink...And so would Heckert...
Here's one for ya'...
Mock Draft our remaining picks and Free Agency...
RB Hillis Inked
LB Jackson "Tagged or Signed"
FA---1) Meachum NO/Bowe KC WR
FA---2) Dan Connor Carolina LB
FA---3) CB Depth Signing
FA---4) DT Depth Signing
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Rnd 1---#1---Andrew Luck QB Stanford
Rnd 2---#36---Sam Montgomery DE LSU
Rnd 4---#100---Robert Lester FS Bama
Rnd 5---#131---Levy Adcock OT Ok. St.
Rnd 6---#184---Depth
Rnd 7---#194---Depth
Django...What's with Broyles???...What's his schedule???...I'd even put Broyles at #100 but I love Lester as our Center-Fielder...
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If it would happen I'd be ok with it. I'd just continue to round out the team with the picks. I dont for one second think Indy passes on him
nor do I think Luck comes here ala Eli Manning. We've ruined enough QB's that my agent would have it stamped on his forehead, "NO CLEVELAND"!
And about being prospect happy, Luck is still no more than a prospect until he proves otherwise!
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DnD - nice try with this post. I am not sure if others don't get what you are trying to do or if they are just trying to poo-poo it before it gets started. I understand what you are trying to do but I just don't feel like putting in the energy right now to help you out. Hope someone does though because I think this could be a neat thread.
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Django...What's with Broyles???...What's his schedule???...I'd even put Broyles at #100 but I love Lester as our Center-Fielder...
It's been reported that he'd miss TC and the start of next season, probably a PUP candidate...tough to make an impact mid season....whoever drafts him basically takes a flyer on him, redshirting his rook year and hoping that he still has the same athleticism as before for 2013....since he's viewed as an inside WR only I guess he drops into the 5th if not further...depending on what's left on the board, I'd probably start thinking about him with the late 4th from ATL but I'm sure there should be someone left I'd prefer over him....5th/6th is my guess right now...an inside WR with an ACL injury that you can start to use only 18 months later is not a sexy pick on draft day
Lester is a wild card for me...I have no opinion on him either way right now....he's somewhat the RG 3 on defense for me...have to key on him on monday and read up on him....I'll have a better feel on him 3 months from now...it's still early in the process
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Confused about something. You say: Quote:
Let's see how much we really would be hindered by getting Luck...We make the move to #1...Here's a viable COST for doing so...And I will stretch it one additional pick for arguments sake...Our 2012 Atlanta pick is better than any 2nd rounder...Therefore it will not be included...
But then it look like you included it (the 2012 Atlanta pick):
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2012 #4 Pick
2012 Atlanta Pick (#24)
2012 3rd Rounder
2012 4th Rounder (Atlanta's #120...#24)
2013 1st Rounder
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First off I will say this: I wanted to cry when the Colts lost to the Jags. Second I would make the trade you purpose to get Luck.
However, read this loud and clear. Andrew Luck is off the board. We can offer the Colts the moon it will not matter. Talk about the fantasy blueprint for a franchise.
1998 you get the first pick and it just happens to be Peyton Manning. Thirteen years and a Super Bowl later you have the worst record and Andrew Luck is there.
Privately Irsay is grinning ear to ear. They have an aging team with plenty of holes and a bunch unrestricted free agents. They know it will take three years of transition to refresh the roster. They owe Manning $28 mil in March. If Manning is healthy and they draft Luck they would have over $50 mil of QB's and Luck is on the bench and the roster sucks. Not going to happen. Manning's health is uncertain in March. Then he is doubtful and nobody is willing to trade for him.
Peyton Manning will not be with the Colts next year. He will not get $28 mil. He will be traded, released or will never play again.
Andrew Luck will be with the Colts.
The Browns will either acquire Matt Flynn as a free agent or they will draft RG III.
Bear in mind Heckert was with the Eagles when they got Vick. He loves speed. Think Vick, Deshon Jackson, Maclin.
If they don't acquire Matt Flynn and Washington does. RG III is a no brainer at four.
Three years from now Andrew Luck and RG III will be premier players in the NFL.
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That's about what's going to happen Bonefish. The Colts, of all teams, know the value of a franchise QB. They won't pass on Luck.
Like I mentioned in another thread and you eluded to above....ask the Colts if they would travel back in time and trade away Manning's rights knowing what he did for the Colts in 13 years. They wouldn't trade Manning away for 2 1st's or 5 1st's. He is everything you want in an NFL player and QB. And if Luck turns out to be 75% of Manning's talents and impact to the franchise/NFL, they still stay at #1 to pick him.
Unless Luck announces he's not signing in Indy, he'll be there.
I don't know what they'll be doing with Manning in the next few months. Something tells me they'll want him for at least 1-2 years before parting ways but I wouldn't be shocked to see him on a new team next year either.
I think the Browns chances of acquiring Luck are just that, a myth. Some posters on here talk about the small cost it will be in terms of draft picks or how the Colts aren't interested in having two franchise QBs on their roster are just trying to convince themselves Luck will be a Brown (or hoping Jim Irsay is reading this too).
I'm good with Flynn or RG3 (assuming the front office does their homework on them - me, I'm no scout so I can't begin to know if they have "it" or not). From what I can see, the McCoy era is either over or on it's way to being over.
Above all, this team needs LOTS of talent.......not one QB at the cost of multiple 1st rounders and a gaggle of other picks.
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Yeah...Our 2nd First Rounder goes instead of what would normally be our 2nd Rounder...
Bone...I guarantee u that Irsay will listen...Will he move???...Don't know...But everyone has a PRICE...
Don't make the mistake of closing your mind to this idea...Heckert's an agressive GM...And I'm pretty sold on the fact these guys know we need a better QB than what we have...Who it will be is debateable...
Wanna clarify something here...And I think this goes for YTown also...Since we're 2 of a few majorly in favor of moving up for Luck...
NO WAY would I even think about doing this for ANY other QB in the last 20 years outside of Elway...He was THAT good of a QB prospect...And Luck is identical...I would NOT do this for a Barkley in ANY year...Luck is special...
IF Holmgren and Heckert and Shurmer come to the analysis that RGIII is a bonafide possibilty in Cleveland...Then I would totally scrap the Luck thang...And make the move to 2 or 3 if need be to secure what THEY think is a Franchise QB...
Everything hinges on what we think of Griffin when it comes to making any move for Luck...
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I thought I saw a presser where Heckert said he wasn't going to trade away picks as we had too many holes to fill.
That being said I imagine at least 1/2 the teams in the NFL are at least thinking about what it would take to get "Luck(y)"
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just heard pretty much the same thing. They said they dont expect to make any trades and Holgrem said that spending big money in FA usually isnt the answer as well. Said something about not going crazy wild over 1 guy. They expect it to take a couple years and repeated the get playmakers comment.
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They also implied that they could ....... but anyway .... when does any front office ever tell the truth when it comes to the draft? lol
Holmgren was ready to trade away our entire draft + for Bradford 2 years ago.
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Mock Draft our remaining picks and Free Agency...
FA---1) OG Carl Nicks
After giving fellow OG Evans that big contract the Saints can't afford to pay that much money for 2 guards.
FA---2) CB Terrell Thomas
Former Giant goes where the money is.
FA---3) LB Rocky McIntosh
Doesn't really fit in with the Redskins 3-4 Defense and becomes our new WLB allowing Gocong to move to SLB and Fujita to become the top backup at SLB and MLB.
FA---4) WR Anthony Gonzalez
Didn't live up to the hype in INDY but i think he fits the WC system and would love to come back to Ohio (I think the FA WR crop is weak)
FA---5) DE Jamaal Anderson
Another player who hasn't lived up to the hype but had a decent year as a backup for INDY. Incentive laden contract with offer to compete for a starting job.
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Rnd 1---#1---Luck
Rnd 2---#36---Whitney Mercilus, DE
Rnd 4---#100---Levy Adcock, OT
Rnd 5---#131--- Best Available WR or RB
Rnd 6---#184---Mike Daniels, DT
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Also just to play along.
using the last 2 drafts because both H&H were here.
If this situation presented itself you would be trading
4. Washington - Trent Williams, OT Oklahoma
5. Kansas City - Eric Berry, S Tennessee
6. Seattle - Russell Okung, Oklahoma State
7. Cleveland - Joe Haden, CB Florida
one of the above 4 plus
Dez Bryant dallas at 24
Jon Asamoah KC 3rd round 4th pick
Darryl Sharpton Houston 4th round 4th pick
Then the next year assuming we land in the 6-13 range one of
Julio Jones
Jake Locker
Blanine Gabbert
Christian Ponder
Nick Fairley
For Luck.
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I guess some take the old "It's better to be Lucky than Good" a little too seriously 
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If it took that much to get him we'd be nuts to do it.
If Indy turned us down, they'd be nuts.
Sorry, thats alot of picks for my liking. I'll use them to build the team.
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using the last 2 drafts because both H&H were here.
If this situation presented itself you would be trading
4. Washington - Trent Williams, OT Oklahoma
5. Kansas City - Eric Berry, S Tennessee
6. Seattle - Russell Okung, Oklahoma State
7. Cleveland - Joe Haden, CB Florida
one of the above 4 plus
Dez Bryant dallas at 24
Jon Asamoah KC 3rd round 4th pick
Darryl Sharpton Houston 4th round 4th pick
Then the next year assuming we land in the 6-13 range one of
Julio Jones
Jake Locker
Blanine Gabbert
Christian Ponder
Nick Fairley
For Luck.
And that's also assuming that it would only take the picks you laid out. There was a rumor that it might take 4 or even 5 first rounders to get Luck.
In your example, I'd much rather have all that talent on my roster than 1 QB surrounded by nothing.
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You are making a ton of assumptions as to who would be available with our later picks.. I don't think you can count on that happening/
And you still have set the franchise back even if Luck turns out to be a stud.
I just don't think they'll so it.. and I'd be damned ticked off if they did.
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BS.. He said they discussed it but the price was too high.. if he was ready to trade the entire draft + we'd have gotten Bradford.. no question about it.
so that statement as written is BS......
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BS.. He said they discussed it but the price was too high.. if he was ready to trade the entire draft + we'd have gotten Bradford.. no question about it.
so that statement as written is BS......
Correct. BS statement. As you stated, IF Holmgren said that and was serious, it would've happened.
Secondly, we can all thank our lucky stars it DIDN'T happen.
There is a correlation to that situation, and the current Luck scenario that some feel is justified.
Imagine where we'd be had someone been stupid enough to do that deal. Then, transpose trading away 3 first rounders plus a second or 2 in order to get Luck.
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No way would I do this deal. If anything happened to Luck ( see LeCharles Bentley) the team would be years trying to recover.But for arguments sake.
Not being an X's and O's guy I was going more for position and understand that some players may not fit our exact scheme. i.e. Anthony Spencer plays 3-4 OLB and I do not know if he would make a good 4-3 LBer. etc.
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Rnd 4---#100--- Tommy Streeter, WR
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BS.. He said they discussed it but the price was too high.. if he was ready to trade the entire draft + we'd have gotten Bradford.. no question about it.
so that statement as written is BS......
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2010/03/browns_president_mike_holmgren_1.html
Holmgren acknowledged the Browns have the ammunition to pull off a blockbuster draft day trade. They have 12 picks, including 10 in the first five rounds. The third-rounder they got from Oakland in the Kamerion Wimbley trade adds to their bargaining power -- giving them five picks in the first three rounds.
"If we were to package 10 of them and move up, we could do all sorts of stuff," Holmgren said. "If you believe the young man is the guy, you take him. You're not scared off by the fact it hasn't worked out in the past."
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Holmgren may have been dropping a hint regarding a possible move up | ProFootballTalk http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...ssible-move-up/But there could be evidence that Holmgren is making the transition to long-range planning. Howard Balzer of the St. Louis Globe-Democrat believes that Holmgren may have been dropping a hint via comments he made in the wake of the McNabb trade. “The only way I was going to take all those early draft picks in rounds1, 2 and 3 and use them would be for a young draft choice that I thought could be the quarterback for the next 15 years,” Holmgren said.
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http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/12212/holmgren-plans-one-last-push-for-bradfordHolmgren plans one last push for Bradford - AFC North Blog - ESPN http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/12212/holmgren-plans-one-last-push-for-bradfordCleveland Browns president Mike Holmgren told ESPN's Michael Smith that prior to tonight's draft he plans to give the St. Louis Rams one more call regarding the possibility of trading into the No. 1 pick for Oklahoma quarterback Sam Bradford. Holmgren declined to delve into specifics as far as his offer to the Rams, but indicated he would be willing to part with most -- but likely not all -- of the Browns' 10 picks and perhaps a pick or picks next year for the consensus No. 1 quarterback in this year's draft. Holmgren, however, is not optimistic that the Rams will pull the trigger on a trade. "They shouldn't do it," he said. "They need a quarterback more than anyone in the world." Holmgren said the Browns already have had three or four conversations with the Rams regarding the top pick. With St. Louis being somewhat coy about its intentions, and with no contract in place with Bradford, Holmgren will make one last run at Bradford. "It's not going to happen," Holmgren said. "I just got out of a meeting and I told everyone, let [the board] come to us. That said, I'm going to go make the call."
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I'd bet the price for Luck is 4 first rounders - we might get 3 (because ours is so high), but we will certainly also be sending pick #36
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I don't care how many times you post this,, he was NEVER GOING TO TRADE THE WHOLE DRAFT PLUS MORE TO GET BRADFORD..
Or Bradford would be here..
Read into it all you want.. it wasn't going to happen, he'd have never done it or it would have happened.
Simple as that..
And yeah, I've read all of that before.,.
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OK, he said that he would do it ..... and he said that he had made the call ...... but he was lying.
That is what you are saying ... is that he is lying about what he said he did.
he said that he had 3 or 4 calls about Bradford, and that he was willing to give up most of 2010 plus part of 2011 to move up, and that he was "going to go make the call anyway". (even though he didnt think they would make the trade)
So I suppose that you are calling him a liar.
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I don't care how many times you post this,, he was NEVER GOING TO TRADE THE WHOLE DRAFT PLUS MORE TO GET BRADFORD..
Or Bradford would be here..
Read into it all you want.. it wasn't going to happen, he'd have never done it or it would have happened.
Simple as that..
And yeah, I've read all of that before.,.
Holmgren has way to much fun with the media..I heard the Browns are going Defense with the 4th pick..
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
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No one cares about what he said............Did he do it?
You can say anything you want to say. I can too. Would we actually DO it? That's the question.
If Holmgren was willing to give up 10 draft picks, the player would've been ours, no doubt.
Coaches, front office people - you believe what they say before the draft? If you do, then you probably expect us to use pick 4 this year on a defensive player, right?
To the point at hand though - giving up 3 firsts plus a second or 2 for Luck is foolhardy at best.
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I don't care how many times you post this,, he was NEVER GOING TO TRADE THE WHOLE DRAFT PLUS MORE TO GET BRADFORD..
Or Bradford would be here..
Read into it all you want.. it wasn't going to happen, he'd have never done it or it would have happened.
Simple as that..
And yeah, I've read all of that before.,.
Holmgren has way to much fun with the media..I heard the Browns are going Defense with the 4th pick..
I also heard that they think that McCoy can improve, and that they aren't trading up in this year's draft.
Isn't this fun? 
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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I don't care how many times you post this,, he was NEVER GOING TO TRADE THE WHOLE DRAFT PLUS MORE TO GET BRADFORD..
Or Bradford would be here..
Read into it all you want.. it wasn't going to happen, he'd have never done it or it would have happened.
Simple as that..
And yeah, I've read all of that before.,.
Holmgren has way to much fun with the media..I heard the Browns are going Defense with the 4th pick..
I also heard that they think that McCoy can improve, and that they aren't trading up in this year's draft.
Isn't this fun?
Why Yes it is! You make me laugh..so thanks!
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
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No one cares about what he said............Did he do it?
You can say anything you want to say. I can too. Would we actually DO it? That's the question.
If Holmgren was willing to give up 10 draft picks, the player would've been ours, no doubt.
Coaches, front office people - you believe what they say before the draft? If you do, then you probably expect us to use pick 4 this year on a defensive player, right?
To the point at hand though - giving up 3 firsts plus a second or 2 for Luck is foolhardy at best.
See here's the thing.
He said that he made the call. He said that he was going to make another call. He said, in other interviews, that he had offered damn near everything.
He said this after the draft as well.
There was nothing to be gained by him saying this type of stuff at the draft. What could he gain? He wasn't going to bluff another team. He wanted to get Bradford. Was he somehow going to bluff St Louis into not taking his offer? I don't see what was to be gained by saying he did it if he didn't do it.
Please ... tell me ..... what would he have gained?
Other draft talk .... misdirection and talking up one player while going for another .... that stuff at least has a purpose. If he was lying about all of this with Bradford, what was the purpose? Please tell me because I don't see one at all.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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Had he been stupid and traded 10 picks? What would he have gained? A qb that most would be saying was a waste, and demanding a new qb.
See the correlation to what you are suggesting - almost demanding - the Browns do now, with Luck?
Or don't you see it?
There is NO sure thing in the draft. NONE. That is why I am glad Holmgren didn't do it then, and that is why I hope he's not stupid now.
Read your links - that guy was supposedly the best qb pick for however long. Do you wish he was here? I'm glad we didn't sell the farm to get him.
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NO, what was to be gained by saying he was trying to do it, either before or after the draft? What was he trying to gain? Who was he trying to outmaneuver?
If the front office talk about stuff trying to get an advantage, then what advantage was Holmgren trying to gain by saying that he had made calls to the Rams trying to get the pick so he could draft Bradford, and that he had offered what it was reported he said he had offered?
What was he trying to gain by saying that if he had no really done so? What advantage was he tryong to create with such "misdirection"?
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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