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They aren't going to pay 50 mill on Flynn.
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That was the example given.
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It seems that I be correct: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transition_tag
OK,, so there is another option,, Transition tag..
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It seems that I be correct: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transition_tag
That is correct and if you think about it ... It's really the only thing that makes any since.
With a RFA. Your tender option sets the market price (ie; 1st round draft pick ect...), so it really makes little since to have a "transition" tag for that group.
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There are two reasons for this. The first is that the one-year transition offer is typically a large amount, which could provide the club with difficulties while attempting to keep the team's aggregate salaries under the salary cap. The other is that players often react badly to receiving the tag, because it limits their ability to negotiate with other teams and therefore hinders their chances of receiving the largest possible contract. Players sometimes counter the tag by holding out or refusing to play for the club, creating distractions and headaches for the club.
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They aren't going to pay 50 mill on Flynn.
Says Who???? Kevin Kolb went for 5 years 63 mil.....you don't think Flynn won't be looking for the same or more??? you had better wake up....
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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Nobody pays out a $50 million contract on a player and then turns around and immediately drafts the replacement.... unless you're missing more than a few marbles.
Nobody pays out a front-loaded $50 million contract and only expects 3 years of play... unless you're missing more than a few marbles.
Well, you certainly wouldn't sign Flynn and draft Griffin. But a third or fourth rounder on Cousins, Foles or, if we're lucky, Tannehill, would not be so crazy. You need a capable backup who preferably begins the year as a third-stringer. And if he is a development project, that's fine, too.
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They aren't going to pay 50 mill on Flynn.
Maybe the Browns won't but someone will. Meaning that's how much it will take to get Flynn if we want him.
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And... just WHY would you do that when you already have two QB's on the roster who are, at worst, capable backups?
It makes absolutely no sense at all.
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They aren't going to pay 50 mill on Flynn.
Says Who???? Kevin Kolb went for 5 years 63 mil.....you don't think Flynn won't be looking for the same or more??? you had better wake up....
Pete...Chime in here man...
U don't wanna make any move for Luck...That's cool...Not everyone can grasp doing it...
That thread in the Draft Forum that some Ding-Dong started  ...I think it's The Myth about Luck...Has a few pretty damn good plans on how to improve this team and still land Luck...
What would YOU like to see us do???
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Says Who???? Kevin Kolb went for 5 years 63 mil.....you don't think Flynn won't be looking for the same or more??? you had better wake up....
I'm wide awake..U guys better wake up or at least try to think like they are...just saying..
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And... just WHY would you do that when you already have two QB's on the roster who are, at worst, capable backups?
It makes absolutely no sense at all.
There is a belief out there among some fans that says "Colt Must Go" and that's that.
There is no value placed on how the rest of the team played IE: dropped balls, bad running game,serious lapses in protection, no value placed on a rookie HC, no value placed on the lack of OTAs or Mini camps, no value placed on a new system being installed....not to mention that the new Offensive system is a complex system that took some proven HOF type QB's time to master in the past.
I swear, it's just Colt McCoy and that's all there is wrong with this team the way some people see it.
Talk about being blind..
Next thing is, someone will say that they are tired of hearing all those comments and it's time to move on.. that they are just excuses.
Well, for them I'll say, I'm tired of all the blithering on and on about how bad McCoy was and if we trade away a bunch of picks to grab an equally unknown player we will suddenly be better..
I get it, McCoy didn't come in riding a white horse and saved the day..and he may not be the right guy, I understand that very very well. I'm disappointed also, but not just in McCoy. I'm disappointed in the entire team. But at least I understand why and think it would be a huge mistake to throw the baby out with the bath water as some on here would have us do.
When they turn it around,, and they will, either with or without McCoy,, I hope I'm here to say "I told you so" as Mr. Conehead would say,,, "I will enjoy"
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Those are three very good examples of what to expect for Flynn. My guess is that he would make a little less than those guys because he has proven less. Fitzpatrick was what 6-0 when he signed that extension and played pretty well last year. Kolb played above average in sporadic playing time with the Eagles. Cassell was the QB of a Patriots team that went 10-6.
With all that said, I will not be surprised if Flynn ends up getting as much as any of those guys. Some team, maybe us, will be convinced that Flynn can their franchise QB. And if they are convinced of that paying 5 years, $50 million is a bargain.
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I swear, it's just Colt McCoy and that's all there is wrong with this team the way some people see it.
Talk about being blind..
That IS Blind...And not one person has ever said that...
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I swear, it's just Colt McCoy and that's all there is wrong with this team the way some people see it.
Talk about being blind..
Um.......you are wrong. Go back and read the game day threads. There are some on here that blamed Colt for everything.
That IS Blind...And not one person has ever said that...
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I swear, it's just Colt McCoy and that's all there is wrong with this team the way some people see it.
You keep saying that, but I can't think of one person here who feels Colt is the only thing wrong with this team.
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Django and Ytown. Read every game day thread?
I've heard them both acknowledge other problem areas on the team.
As far as the gameday threads, usually I'm either working or in the chat....didn't check them out much this year until after the games, and then only the last page or so.
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Django and Ytown. Read every game day thread?
Theres NOONE that thinks we're a perfect team and Colt is the only thing holding us back...
Colt gets MOST of the talk because, wait for it... He's the Quarterback!
Did our WRs, Running game, and Oline occasionally (sometimes usually) suck? Yes.
Were there games where the line blocked great, the running game was fine, and WRs caught balls? Yes. Did McCoy play better when all that happened? Not really...
Just because everything around him isn't perfect, doesn't mean you can't judge his performances...
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Bring my name up again.  I have consistently said that I believe this team has issues, and the biggest is at QB. I have never said that the rest of the team is perfect, but i do believe that some areas are being dragged down by ineffective QB play. I do think that there are areas we can upgrade.
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Honestly you won't like what I want to do...but in the long run I thinkit is what will be best for us...First and foremost....I am not all up in arms worried about the QB position...we have too many idiots that think they know what they are talking about that are over analyzing this year with too many assumptions...result...too many people clamoring for QB when it is far from the biggest problem on the offense.
But frankly I stay pat at 4. So if Luck falls to us...fine...grab him......and don't let Goodell finish saying "The Cleveland Browns are now on the clock" before you get the card in...but he is not going to be there(I think someone will make a move for Griffin as well...not that I would...I am leery of a 1 year phenom who played against lacking competition in a spread offense...but hey thats me...)......Blackmon has a decent shot of being available...if neither are there you still have Claiborne and Coples. But really...Blackmon would be my target. If we dont hit with Blackmon with 1a then we need to look at Jeffries(sp) or Floyd with 1b.....Assuming we get Blackmon.....With 1b and 2nd I would look for BPA in the following positions depending how things shake out...OT/OG, DE, or OLB...
Getting Steinbach back moves Pinkston to his natural side(RT/RG)...and if 1b turns out to be a OL then we have a great possibility of fixing the Oline issues. Blackmon goes a long way in fixing some receiver issues...With Stieny back we can run outside again. We might actually get our running game back wich would do wonders for our QB and pass protection. The other position being either DE (hopefully another Sheard type) or OLB which we desperately need. Fujita gets guys in position and Gocong is good in confined places....but we need an animal with speed and neither fits that description.
We may want to look at another RB...even with BJackson coming back...we don't have a back on the roster that has proven to stay healthy. We need to hit on another Skrine(CB) and Hagg(S) developmental DB's. These guys did well as low round picks in their first year and I think they will be large contributors in the future. We will most likely grab a QB in the mid rounds.
Lastly on the FA front I have to admit I am not completely sure of who all will be available....but I don't go crazy there either. I would like a Jurevicious type that the receivers can respect, learn from and still has some years "good" years left in him...not just some waning years....I don't see us going after any big name(not sure I would either...it usually costs far more then what you get in return) So maybe FB, RB, depth...
None of my moves hve big pizazz...nothing would shock...but all would be solid moves that would go far toward building this team and don't make assumptions like what another team will accept for trade..or what FA would actually agree to come here(remember that is a 2 way street) People throw out names as if they are absolutes...Like Oh sign..so and so..and this guy and we will rock....and it is crap...because first they have to want to come here and 2 we would probably have to WAY overpay to get them to do so...and then it wouldn't be worth it and prohibit us from doing other things. And draft day trade always amuse me. We are always way below what is actually accepted in these trades. And we take as common knowledge that the other team will just acquiesce to any lowball offer we can come up with just because we have delluded ourselves into thinking we are trying to be "fair".
After the first 5-10 picks in the draft the rest is a crapshoot as to who will be available. That is why we watch every year instead of just reading about it in the paper the next day. It is also why I only was pretty specific on players for the #4 pick. But I do think Heckert and Holmgren have been doing a pretty good job with the draft...no one is perfect...and we haven't been either ...but we have had 2 very good drafts...and I expect a 3rd.
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That, sir, is the most well reasoned and sensible post on this Draft on here in quite a while 
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Just to let you know, RG3 has started 40 games in his Baylor career, and has thrown for over 10,000 yards and 71 TDs.
He's hardly a 1 year phenom.
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No, what you have consistently said is along the likes of "I wish we could run, but since no team respects our qb, it's his fault", "Our qb is responsible for the concussions to our receivers" "Our qb doesn't put the ball where it needs to be for the receivers to get yac"...followed by "well, those yac were despite the qb"
"our d is on the field too much because of our qb", "that throw that went for 10 yds should've been much more but wasn't because of our qb"........."our qb gave the other team field position" (after a dropped pass)
"The drops aren't the receivers fault - every team has drops - it's the qb's fault".
It goes on and on and on.
The standard you have set for a browns qb has not been met by any qb in the league. About half way through the year - maybe closer to 3/4 of the way through, I watched other games using YOUR criteria for a qb. No one passed - according to your standards.
I watched Rodgers throw a foot in front or a foot behind a receiver. I saw Stafford throw deep and the receiver had to slow down for it. I saw Brady throw over a receiver. I saw things like this in EVERY game.
I saw a Browns team that had basically no running attack, a poor line for the most part, and receivers that looked like blockers - yet everything I read was "Well, that's because of Colt".
It got old as the season wore on. The season is over. I kept my mouth fairly shut during the season. I'm not now.
Is Colt the answer? I have no idea. I've said it over and over and over - draft a qb - just DON'T trade an ungodly number of picks for a qb.
It really is that simple. It really is.
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So you are saying it took almost 30 games against lame competition before anyone talked about this guy because noone was talking about him until this year. Most people didn't even know his name until this year...I knew a ton of people saying..RGIII...what's that???
Look I am not denying that the guy is a talent and a great athlete...I just don't think I would make a play for him(at least not at #4) at this point based on what I have seen and know.
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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He has played 40 games so far in his career ..... and is finishing up his junior season. He has already graduated with a double degree. He has started pre-law studies.
He has thrown for 10,700 yards, and 78 TDs. (against 17 INT) in his 3+ years.
In 2010 he threw for 3501 yards and 22 TDs against 8 INT. In 2011 he threw for 4293 yards and 37 TD against 7 INT.
He also ran for 635/700 yards and 8/10 TD in his 2 latest seasons.
Most people didn't bring up his name last year as far as draft goes because he didn't put up hugely gaudy stats, and he was only a sophomore.
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Woopee....it still doesn't change the fact that noone knew his name until this year....
yes we all can google his stats...
and we all can see that he played against nobodies in a spread offense....and those of us who can read can see that I am not denying that he is talented and a spectacular athlete.....what don't you understand????
If you are trying to convince me he is worthy of the #4 pick...you are wasting your time...for one...I don't trust your QB evaluations....and two you are not giving me anything I don't already know....I think I will wait for other breakdowns from people I trust.
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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He has played 40 games so far in his career ..... and is finishing up his junior season. He has already graduated with a double degree. He has started pre-law studies.
He has thrown for 10,700 yards, and 78 TDs. (against 17 INT) in his 3+ years.
In 2010 he threw for 3501 yards and 22 TDs against 8 INT. In 2011 he threw for 4293 yards and 37 TD against 7 INT.
He also ran for 635/700 yards and 8/10 TD in his 2 latest seasons.
Most people didn't bring up his name last year as far as draft goes because he didn't put up hugely gaudy stats, and he was only a sophomore.
I love stats as much as the next guy but let's look at this player...
Four year starter, threw for 12,905 yards and 102 TD's and 36 INT's in his four years. He also completed 66% of his passes in his college career. He was 38-17.
In 2008 he threw for 2,784 yards and 21 TD's against 6 INT's. In 2009 he threw for 3,438 yards and 28 TD's against 7 INT's.
In his four years he also ran for 2,948 yards and 47 TD's.
Who is it???
Dan LeFevour.
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a big part of the reason you may not have heard of him is that he was playing for Baylor.
he was huge his freshman year and made big waves down here in TX at least. started fast his sophomore year but Baylor went down the tubes when he got hurt.
his junior year, you should have heard of him. he led Baylor to their first bowl game in 16 years. they ended up going 7-6 (not great but considering how bad they had been it was considered a huge success).
his senior year, he obviously took the next leap and they go 10-3 and should have been in a BCS game (well, them, Boise or K-State over VaTech at least).
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Basically he didn't "come out of nowhere" like Newton did...
He just over the years improved on a lower tier team, and then blew up this year (nationally)
I still think he's too risky (Newton/Tebow type, without their build, get broken easy)
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He has played 40 games so far in his career ..... and is finishing up his junior season. He has already graduated with a double degree. He has started pre-law studies.
He has thrown for 10,700 yards, and 78 TDs. (against 17 INT) in his 3+ years.
In 2010 he threw for 3501 yards and 22 TDs against 8 INT. In 2011 he threw for 4293 yards and 37 TD against 7 INT.
He also ran for 635/700 yards and 8/10 TD in his 2 latest seasons.
Most people didn't bring up his name last year as far as draft goes because he didn't put up hugely gaudy stats, and he was only a sophomore.
I love stats as much as the next guy but let's look at this player...
Four year starter, threw for 12,905 yards and 102 TD's and 36 INT's in his four years. He also completed 66% of his passes in his college career. He was 38-17.
In 2008 he threw for 2,784 yards and 21 TD's against 6 INT's. In 2009 he threw for 3,438 yards and 28 TD's against 7 INT's.
In his four years he also ran for 2,948 yards and 47 TD's.
Who is it???
Dan LeFevour.
Just a wee bit of difference is that LeFevour played in probably the worst conference in FBS. Griffin, at the very least this year, probably played in the best/deepest.
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Big 12?
Not as it relates to defense...
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I swear, it's just Colt McCoy and that's all there is wrong with this team the way some people see it.
Talk about being blind..
That IS Blind...And not one person has ever said that...
those exact words,, Probably not, But don't sit there and try and tell me that's not what some are actually saying....
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Griffin played in the SEC?
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Griffin played in the SEC?
Noooooooo
The Big 12 is probably the better conference this year from top to bottom.
And while the Big 12 isn't known for their defense, OSGuy, their defense is about 50 times better than the MAC. It's not the SEC, but it's not the MAC. There are still supreme athletes in the division, especially with Oklahoma and Texas still around, and A&M around this year *although A&M's defense was not that good.*
My point is, it's insane to think RG3 is anything like Dan LeFavour or Cam Newton. He's his own man with different skills. The thing is, every usual indicator of a highly successful QB, RG3 passes with flying colors.
Also, who is to say that the offensive coordinator we bring in this offseason doesn't want to run a version of a shotgun spread offense? The NFL is constantly changing and I don't think it's really crazy that we could run a shotgun WCO.
you had a good run Hank.
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i'll agree he has alot of risk because of his build, height, throwing motion and system (reasons I like the idea of getting Flynn better).
that's why I liked the idea of Griffin a ton more when he was considered a late-1st to early-2nd round guy.
still, he has to be a consideration at #4 because he is obviously the 2nd best QB prospect in this draft class.
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If it's of the Top 5 QB's in the league, he's going to get a boat load of cash, would GB actually pay that?
They won't have to pay it...someone is going to take him, even with a trade.
The tag is a 1 year thing. Some team is going to pay him 40 mil...not as much on a yearly basis as the tag amount, but a great deal more in guaranteed money over 5-6 years.
It's not like Flynn is going to say no, I'll play with GB for the year at this amount.
If he did, GB would simply cut him and be where we are now with people thinking he won't cost them some pick.
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FWIW - on Mike and Mike in the Morning - Mark Schlerith was on and said he thought Peyton Manning would be the Colts Qb for the next 4-5 yrs and felt that the Colts would trade the #1 pick. Just one man's opinion but maybe Indy taking Luck isn't a slam dunk.
I heard that too.. then Golic followed up with he thinks Peyton will play a few more years but they will draft Luck anyway... Just goes to show you, even the people considered experts just don't know....
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If it's of the Top 5 QB's in the league, he's going to get a boat load of cash, would GB actually pay that?
They won't have to pay it...someone is going to take him, even with a trade.
Trading him requires signing him, which the Packers can't do unless they jettison a ton of salary. Trading him also means that if they were able to sign him, any guaranteed money they give him remains on their books whether he stays or goes.
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If it's of the Top 5 QB's in the league, he's going to get a boat load of cash, would GB actually pay that?
I am sure they can figure a way to absorb the cap hit for next year.
They won't have to pay it...someone is going to take him, even with a trade.
Trading him requires signing him, which the Packers can't do unless they jettison a ton of salary. Trading him also means that if they were able to sign him, any guaranteed money they give him remains on their books whether he stays or goes.
There is no guaranteed money with a franchise tag. You just have to pay him such and such money for the year.
I don't even know if it is true it sticks to the books, but assuming it does, so what?? It's one year.
Teams have to pay money anyway. If it sticks to the cap and raises their allotment without actually paying real cash, even better.
I don't see it as a budget or cap buster for the Packers.
If it is, then sure, they won't do it.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong
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