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With the stunning dismissal of Bill Polian, the architect of the Colts' 11 playoff appearances, uncertainties remain over Peyton Manning's health and Jim Caldwell's future as coach, but sources say one thing is certain: Colts owner Jim Irsay plans to take Andrew Luck with the draft's first-round pick.
Sources say Irsay sees symmetry in the franchise history of draft picks and will not pass on the opportunity to complete it. In 1983, the Colts took John Elway with the No. 1 pick, only to see Irsay's father, Bob, trade the Hall of Famer.
Fifteen years later, the Colts took Manning.
Now 14 years after that, Jim Irsay wants to draft his quarterback for the next 12 to 15 years.
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I actually think it's more reason to be skeptical. Think about it this way .. even if they are PRETTY sure that they want him .. there is no advantage in announcing it now. He still needs to do the senior bowl, go through the combine, have the pro day and etc.
In other words. ... if the Colts want him then they take him and don't have to tell anyone. BUT by committing to him so fast it doesn't actually help their position.
HOWEVER ... I truly feel that by sending out this message NOW ... they could try to get teams to feel pressure and inquire about the pick.
My guess it has something to do with manning. If they could trade the pick BEFORE they have to make the decision on manning then it's worth more. Meanwhile, if they keep Peyton then maybe the pick is worth less because everyone knows that they aren't depending on Luck...?
Ok ... the last part was thinking out loud... but anytime someone comes out this time of year and says what they are gonna do ... I doubt it's what they are really gonna do.
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Good, now maybe we can quit with the insane idea of trading off 3 1st's, 2 2nd's and a partridge in a pear tree to get this guy.
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The only way I could see them trading that pick, if they indeed do see Luck as the "Next Peyton Manning", is for some absolutely ridiculous package of draft picks that would far exceed anything that any rational person would consider.
I still like RG3 a lot ..... and hope that he's our pick.
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No one should be surprised if they do actually pick him. But, this is the silly season, so I don't believe anything until it actually happens.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Luck is worth anything we'd be willing to give up.
Of course the Colts know that too, which is exactly why they're just going to draft him. Hey, we're Cleveland. If we didn't have horrible luck we wouldn't have "Luck" at all.
Oh well, maybe we can get the next elite QB in about 10 years whenever he may come out.
If we draft RG3....I just might be done with this sorry ass franchise. Option B better darn well be Blackmon. If he's gone too...hell we might as well trade down. Only the Browns could suck bad enough to get the #4 pick and STILL not have anybody elite available for them to draft.
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As Florio pointed out, anything that comes out this early in the silly season as a "guarantee" is highly suspect and Mort misses all the time: http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2283797. Obviously if they're making the pick, it's going to be Luck and odds are right now that it will be. However, if either a) Luck doesn't want to play for the Colts or b) some team makes a huge offer to give them something to think about, you may see things change really quickly. It's always been a longshot to see the Colts draft anyone but Luck but to say it's a lock in January is just stupid and Mort trying to get out in front of a story (again).
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I disagree strongly with you about RG3.
I really want us to draft him. I'll be ticked if he is there and we pass or trade the pick.
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Only the Browns could suck bad enough to get the #4 pick and STILL not have anybody elite available for them to draft.
Ain't that the truth.
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Ytown ... not just to you but everyone in general.
How is it a lot of people say that Colt is too small (6'1 - 215) and yet they think Griffin won't be limited in the same situation when he is roughly the same size (6'2 - 220).
Now I know that Griffin could put on weight ... but too much and he loses his mobility. I would think 10 pounds tops. Colt will still put on another 5 to 10 just as grows into an NFL body as well. Furthermore, Colt might only be 6'0 and they list him as taller ... but even the NFL combine official report had him listed at 6'1 -216. It's not like they skew the numbers...
So not questioning anything about intangibles ... but how can some on this board call McCoy a hobbit, or too small, or brittle ... but then there is also many who are intrigued by Griffin?
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Speaking just for myself, and even though I know you didn't specifically address it to me:
I don't think that I have ever brought up McCoy's height at all. It is so many other factors about his play that worry me ..... but not his height.
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so Refs.. please block any threads about getting Luck.. Thanx!! lol.
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Put aside size for a moment. I want to know how people claim RG3 is "accurate" while at the same time saying accuracy is one of Colt's biggest flaws?
Being accurate in college is completely different from being accurate in the NFL. If you can put the ball within a 3 yard window for your receiver, you're "accurate" in college. In the NFL you better be able to put it within a 2-3 FOOT window.
Colt was plenty accurate in college. In fact, he was more accurate than RG3. I think we've all seen though, that Colt is NOT accurate at the NFL level. Can RG3 make that transition? He COULD...but it's certainly not a foregone conclusion. Especially considering he's going to be way behind the learning curve when it comes to our offense.
He's going to have to learn the footwork required to take a snap from under center into a 1, 3 and 5 step drop which we employ. We don't ever use 7 step drops and very rarely are we in the shotgun. (Mind you this was a similar problem Colt had coming out too...and even he admits he's STILL more comfortable in the gun...but then again we only spent a 3rd rounder on him, not the #4 pick in the draft...I'm fine taking RG3 in the 3rd or 4th round FWIW).
Once he gets the footwork figured out, only THEN will he be able to dive into learning an entirely new and foreign offense for him (something true with most rookies, but still he's already going to be behind from the word go).
Then don't even get me started on RG3's "ability" to read a defense. The spread, in its inherent design, allows QBs to succeed by keying on particular match-ups instead of ever being FORCED to learn to read a D. Now, does RG3 look good finding open guys to all fields at Baylor in the spread? Yeah he sure does. How much of that can translate to working in a non-spread offense and worse yet, against MUCH MUCH MUCH more elaborate defensive schemes? Very little. Saying RG3 can read an NFL defense in a WCO just because he can "read" a defense at college from the spread is akin to saying "I can use the quadratic equation to solve for the roots of a polynomial....so obviously I will be able to do vector calculus."
So I say again, maybe RG3 can be one of those very rare guys who breaks all the molds and eventually succeeds in the NFL. But as much as I think the probability of success for a QB like Luck is astronomically high, it's similarly low for RG3.
I'm ok spending not one, but multiple #1 picks on an extremely high probability bet to fix the QB position. I'm NOT OK spending a single #1 pick on an extremely low probability bet to fix the QB position. As a project in the 3rd or 4th round...with his athletic ability? Yeah you bet I'm on board. But c'mon we all know somebody is going to draft him for his "upside" in the top 5-10 spots. Let's just hope that someone isn't us.
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Leverage. They get to see if anybody is "Ditka Dumb" (I think he was the one traded the house, his lunch, and all picks long ago). Maybe they are going to do what they say, but this pre-season is often not honest at all. But Luck could be a picks magnet.  
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J / C... Why do we need to draft a QB when we have the winning-est collage QB already here ? 
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Why do we need to draft a QB when we have the winning-est collage QB already here ?
Kellen Moore is draft eligible this year.
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I disagree strongly with you about RG3.
I really want us to draft him. I'll be ticked if he is there and we pass or trade the pick.
YT...or what?
What are you going to do if the Browns say no to drafting RBIII?
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Only the Browns could suck bad enough to get the #4 pick and STILL not have anybody elite available for them to draft.
I don't see that.
IMO there are 4 Elite players in the draft.
Luck, Kalile(sp), Blackmon, Claiborne.
We'll be in line for one of them..
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Only the Browns could suck bad enough to get the #4 pick and STILL not have anybody elite available for them to draft.
I don't see that.
IMO there are 4 Elite players in the draft.
Luck, Kalile(sp), Blackmon, Claiborne.
We'll be in line for one of them..
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Elite players and i mean have the talent to likely end up Hall of FAme
Luck, Claiborne, Trent Richardson, Decastro
Elite potential - I think they have Probowls in their future maybe more
RG3, Tannehill, Blackmon, Kalil, Martin, Kuechly
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He said your mother wears army boots. Jus sayin'
I just called my mom and asked, and she said that if he did indeed say that, then he lied. 
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Only the Browns could suck bad enough to get the #4 pick and STILL not have anybody elite available for them to draft.
I don't see that.
IMO there are 4 Elite players in the draft.
Luck, Kalile(sp), Blackmon, Claiborne.
We'll be in line for one of them..
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I think a lot if people will argue RG3 is right there in that group too. Regardless, we'll be getting someone with very great potential. I like that.
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PStu, the reason is not everyone that would like to upgrade McCoy thinks size is his primary hindrance.
Graff, you seem to be stuck on the idea that Griffin is ordinary and that he cannot have attributes like "accuracy" or " ability to read defenses." Why is that? He runs a system similar to most colleges outside the big 10 and half the PAC 12, so why don't all those QBs with awful lines lead their teams to program records in wins? Why don't they all get nominated for the heisman trophy? where he is more accurate than McCoy is in that he hits his receivers in stride. That is critical to the wco's success. McCoy wasn't able to do that this year. That's not to say McCoy won't be able to in the future, but griffin definitely has what you want to be a qb in the wco. He also has a much stronger arm which translates better to NFL defenses.
remember, luck is going to have to learn the WCO, too. He doesn't run that system at Stanford either. In fact, their offense is somewhat gimmicky as well, with many of their snaps coming with no WRs on the field.
I don't understand why you seem to be stuck on the idea that luck is the only possible option we will have at qb for the next 10 years. Stafford is good, Rodgers is good, Brees is good... Their are lots of QBs good enough to win with. I personally believe RGIII can be one of those guys. I'd rather have a qb plus two 1st rounders and two 2nd rounders than one qb who has to make improvements/adjustments to his own game.
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remember, luck is going to have to learn the WCO, too. He doesn't run that system at Stanford either. In fact, their offense is somewhat gimmicky as well, with many of their snaps coming with no WRs on the field.
A lot of people don't take notice to this. They run formations that show run and pound the ball hard.. run the same formations and then throw long to a wide open receiver.
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Part of the reason that offense works is because Luck does a fantastic job with his play fakes. He would do some great things in that Mangini offense.
Note: I think he can learn and thrive in any offensive system.
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Ytown ... not just to you but everyone in general.
How is it a lot of people say that Colt is too small (6'1 - 215) and yet they think Griffin won't be limited in the same situation when he is roughly the same size (6'2 - 220).
Now I know that Griffin could put on weight ... but too much and he loses his mobility. I would think 10 pounds tops. Colt will still put on another 5 to 10 just as grows into an NFL body as well. Furthermore, Colt might only be 6'0 and they list him as taller ... but even the NFL combine official report had him listed at 6'1 -216. It's not like they skew the numbers...
So not questioning anything about intangibles ... but how can some on this board call McCoy a hobbit, or too small, or brittle ... but then there is also many who are intrigued by Griffin?
If I had to use only one word for why Mccoy is "too small" yet RG3 is "intriguing" it would be this one:
Upside.
Old rule quoted here: If you are lacking in one attribute, you must be elite in others. Well, rg3 has some tools that many would call elite, and those are tools Colt wasn't born with and simply doesn't have.
Now the flipside is that he isn't perfect, but that's for another thread, suffice it to say its the elite tools rg3 has which makes people really have to take a look at him.
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Elite players and i mean have the talent to likely end up Hall of FAme
Luck, Claiborne, Trent Richardson, Decastro
Elite potential - I think they have Probowls in their future maybe more
RG3, Tannehill, Blackmon, Kalil, Martin, Kuechly
Agree with this for the most part but think Martin and esp. DeCastro are VERY overrated...they are 1 dimensional and have limited flexibility of where to play on the OL imho Decastro is the G version of Mack imho, great run blocker but inconsistent athlete and pass blocker for the NFL level...so yeah, he's a safe bet to be a pretty good G...but I wouldn't pick a good G or C Top 20 in most drafts....need, value and poor draft class would have to align to make that happen....Martin was covered up with a TE a lot in College on crucial 3rd downs, so while good he wasn't elite in College...he has the work ethic and character to become good but I see another high floor, low ceiling OL here...they are pretty advanced in technique, so what you see is what you get with them
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No one should be surprised if they do actually pick him. But, this is the silly season, so I don't believe anything until it actually happens.
I'm the same way... I honestly think they'll draft him, but I 'll believe it when I see it... as someone else said there is no sense in saying you're going to take him now besides just putting it out there to try and entice some offers for the pick.
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Chargers said they would take Eli and they did.
And promptly turned around and traded him to the Giants for Rivers and something else (don't remember what)
But why was that done? Because Eli said he wouldn't sign with the Chargers... NO MATTER WHAT, Eli didn't want to play for the chargers and wouldn't have. So, they work a deal with the Giants and bang,, come out pretty well.
not that same situation here. If the Colts take Luck, he'll be there..
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When Luck hires an agent things will get very interesting. It will get even more interesting if he ends up with the same agent that Manning has lol.
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When Luck hires an agent things will get very interesting. It will get even more interesting if he ends up with the same agent that Manning has lol.
he could hire Akron Joe as his agent and that wouldn't even stand in the way of him going with the Colts 
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Andrew Luck will be captain checkdown in Cleveland...
He was captain checkdown in his bowl game...We dont have WRs that get open or an OL that can keep defenders off him for the amount of time for a WR to get open...so he would check it down.
Until we complete our roster the QB will not matter. Unless we get a guy like Brees, Brady, Rodgers (who i think could improve a roster now...not 5 years ago), or Eli Manning, or Peyton Manning and none of them will hit the market.
Luck wont make a roster better...at least not yet...and here he would be captain checkdown as every other QB we've had not named Derek Anderson who didnt because he couldnt do it effectively.
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Don't know what the difference is, he won't be coming here anyway.
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he could hire Akron Joe as his agent and that wouldn't even stand in the way of him going with the Colts
As long as they put in the contract that Shurmur sucks and the Browns will go 4-12 again next year!
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And promptly turned around and traded him to the Giants for Rivers and something else (don't remember what)
But why was that done? Because Eli said he wouldn't sign with the Chargers... NO MATTER WHAT, Eli didn't want to play for the chargers and wouldn't have. So, they work a deal with the Giants and bang,, come out pretty well.
not that same situation here. If the Colts take Luck, he'll be there..
So what happens if Irsay keeps Manning because he's healthy and can't bear to part with him? Andrew Luck is now looking at the possibility of sitting for multiple years and Peyton has a guy who will likely take practice reps away and hang over his shoulder. You can't see Oliver Luck and Archie Manning getting together to "fix" the problem by forcing Andrew out of Indy in the same way? Andrew sure didn't look excited about the prospect of being a Colt post-Bowl game. Just saying... more pieces need to fall into place before the picture clears up here. Odds are Luck will end up a Colt but you never know...
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