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Free agency starts March 3, 2012..
As of now, it is a complete unknown as to how active the Browns will be in free agency. Who the Browns are able to pickup in free agency could definitely affect the Browns draft board in April (26,27,28).
For example...if the Browns are able to pickup a couple of WRs...they may not need to draft WRs...
...if the Browns can pickup a DE in FA, they will not have to draft one in the first or second rounds.
...if the Browns resign Hillis or pickup a FA RB, they will not need to draft Trent Richardson with the first pick.
...if the Browns can pick up a good CB in FA, they will not be forced to draft a CB in the 1st or 2nd rounds.
If the Browns are able to sign 2 or 3 free agents at key positions of need, it will affect the Browns draft board.
Think I will wait to see how the Browns do in free agency before planning a draft board.
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This might be nit-picky, so I apologize.
The Browns don't need "a couple WRs". They Browns have bodies at WR. They need "the guy" at WR. They need a true #1 WR to push everyone down a spot. Once that happens, the WR-core as a whole will play much better at every position. Little as a #2 WR is nasty. Cribbs as a slot/gadget receiver is nasty. MoMass as a #3 is nasty.
All of our WRs are playing one spot higher than they should. We get the one guy that pushes everyone down and commands that double-team, and you'll see a different offense.
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This might be nit-picky, so I apologize.
The Browns don't need "a couple WRs". They Browns have bodies at WR. They need "the guy" at WR. They need a true #1 WR to push everyone down a spot. Once that happens, the WR-core as a whole will play much better at every position. Little as a #2 WR is nasty. Cribbs as a slot/gadget receiver is nasty. MoMass as a #3 is nasty.
All of our WRs are playing one spot higher than they should. We get the one guy that pushes everyone down and commands that double-team, and you'll see a different offense.
Totally agree. Our lack of a number one is killing the rest of the offense. I think if you got a legit number one WR, Greg Little becomes better, Norwood could look better, some of our TE's could look a little better, maybe even Momass could be respectable.
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jc..
Free agency starts March 3, 2012..
As of now, it is a complete unknown as to how active the Browns will be in free agency. Who the Browns are able to pickup in free agency could definitely affect the Browns draft board in April (26,27,28).
For example...if the Browns are able to pickup a couple of WRs...they may not need to draft WRs...
...if the Browns can pickup a DE in FA, they will not have to draft one in the first or second rounds.
...if the Browns resign Hillis or pickup a FA RB, they will not need to draft Trent Richardson with the first pick.
...if the Browns can pick up a good CB in FA, they will not be forced to draft a CB in the 1st or 2nd rounds.
If the Browns are able to sign 2 or 3 free agents at key positions of need, it will affect the Browns draft board.
Think I will wait to see how the Browns do in free agency before planning a draft board.
Honestly, I'd like to see a good sign at receiver in FA, and a good draft pick at receiver. 2 upgrades, 1 draft pick and some money.
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I've been thinking hard the last few days about who Heckert's top 4 are. Not who I want, or what should happen, but just trying to think with his past, and this team and system, etc...
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1. Luck
2. Kalil
3. Claiborne
4. Richardson
I tried to factor in needs, somewhat, but Heckert seems to me like he's not going to stray too far from going BPA. I feel he went BPA with Haden, and somewhat with Taylor, although nobody really knows what their strategy was, and if Taylor was on their mind the whole time.
I like RG3, but the more I think about it, the more I think Heckert won't take him.
How do you think Heckert's top 4 go?
I go back and forth all the time and I agree that Heckert will most likely go BPA. I think your Top 4 could be accurate but it would be really interesting to see how he values WRs and RBs. The only reason I had him picking Blackmon is b/c I figured they would be ranked closely and it seems like there is ALOT more depth at CB then WR this year. I think as an earlier poster stated, Blackmon's 40 and shuttle times are going to be interesting as I think the question people will have is can he get separation.
In terms of Richardson, I really can't see him taking him at #4 but I could see at #6 if we trade down.
Regarding trading down, even though we need players, I don't think the value is there outside the top 6 or 7 (at least for what we need) so I would be really opposed going down much past 6 and that's only if RGIII comes out.
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Not sure about Claiborne but I'll be watching him closely tonight.
CB is the fourth most important position on the football field behind QB, LT and RDE. If he's destined to be a great one I have no problem pulling the trigger on him.
At 22 I'd really like to get the premium guy at RDE. Probably Mercilus.
I really would love to get LaVonte David at 37.
Man it would be strange to go defense with our first three picks but it'd set it up to be one of the best defenses in the NFL in a couple years.
I don't see it out of the question as I feel this draft is very heavily tilted to the defensive side of the ball, especially in the top 40 picks. I think if the Browns truly pick BPA, it could be at least 2 of the 3 being on the defensive side of the ball. While watching the Browns score 15 pts a game would make me would to jump off the roof, I could see the plan and just hope that FA and/or year 2 of WCO makes a difference or defense can create the turnovers to allow easy scores.
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I have a new player I'll pimp from here on out for our RDE position Tim Fugger, DE, Vandy and no, not only because of his nasty name....guy produced big time 13 TFL, 7 sacks and 3 FF (had 4 FFs last year too)....looks like decent player, overachiever for sure...but in the late rounds or as UDFA it's exactly the kind of player I'd bring in...he isn't even listed in the top 750 on nfldraftscout here'S more info: http://www.vucommodores.com/sports/m-footbl/spec-rel/010512aaa.htmlanother highly productive SR from a bigger school that isn't on many lists yet is OLB Chase Thomas from Stanford....he made the Sporting News All American team and isn't on draftscout's top 750? wtf is up with that? other under the radar guys that were highly productive: DE C.Law, South.Miss CB/FS Golden, Arizona CB Tandy, West Virginia CB Wade, Arizona CB Marrow, Toledo OLB M.Burris, SD St. WR Criner, Arizona CB/FS Frey, Nevada DE Joiner, Ark. St. DT L.Harrell, Fresno St. DE Blatnick, Okl.St. DE/OLB Robinson, Temple DE Biezuns, Wyoming SS Bender, UAB DT/DE Nowak, West. Michigan OLB D.Heyman, Louiville DT Alecxih, Pittsburgh LB N.Goode, West Virginia DE T.Walker, Tulsa DE Francis, Rutgers DE Solomon, Rice RB Stewart, Colorado WR G.Robinson, Arizona St. WR Brazill, Ohio WR Burd, Virginia WR Ebert, Nwestern WR Jorden, Bowling Green RB Dunbar, North Texas WR Frampton, Ark.St. FB/TE Rodriguez, Temple any "insider" info from an alumn/fan or other additional info on any of these guys would be appreciated....that's pretty much my big school sleeper list
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Yes. I don't see him going in the Top 10 and the only way that I see him going earlier is if either Washington or Miami don't trade up but trade down and I don't see a lot of suitors for their draft positions.
Agreed, but then doesn't that mean he is highly likely to be there for us in Round 2, given that we are again ahead of Washington and Miami? Tannehill in Round 2 would be fantastic.
If the Browns could nab Tannehill in the second round, I wouldn't be upset one bit.
Another QB that's been lost in all this talk is Jimmy Clausen. He was drafted in the 2nd round by Carolina two years ago and hasn't even played very much at all. Offer Carolina a 7th rounder for him. If they wouldn't go for that, offer then a sixth, but not both.
Clausen's contract isn't untenable (topping at $6.3 million for 4 years - 2 of which have already passed). Being out of Notre Dame (and we all know about Quinn), but he was considered a Top 10 pick (fell to 48th) and might be worth a shot if the price is workable.
Just some food for thought.
Holmgren didn't like Claussen last year. In fact his semi famous quote was "I wish I liked him more". I don't see us trading for him when he has no elite attributes, and wasn't that highly thought of by the Browns brain trust to start with.
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I think that LaMichael James will not be available at #36. 1 indinanapolis Andrew Luck 2 St Louis, Robert Griffith 3rd 3 Cincinnati ( trade #17, #22, and a 2nd round pick from either 2012, or 2013) Justin Blackmon WR, 4, Cleveland, Trent Richardson rb, Alabama, 5 Tampa Bay, first defensive player to be drafted. 22, Cleveland, Cordy Glenn, OG, Georgia Not getting Blackmon and him going to Cincinnati would = 
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No way in hell will we go G at #22.
Not a chance.
I also doubt strongly that we go RB at #4. The value just isn't there. A top 10 pick is a guy you expect to play for your team for the next decade. RB typically don't have that kind of longevity.
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I also doubt strongly that we go RB at #4. The value just isn't there. A top 10 pick is a guy you expect to play for your team for the next decade. RB typically don't have that kind of longevity.
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The more I think about it, I don't want to bother with a RB in the top two rounds. AND I don't really care about bringing back Hillis.
Build an O-line, bring in WRs and that will open more holes for any RB. Sure, we need a QB for all that to play out correctly.....but that proves even further to not waste high draft picks on RBs.
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I like Foles and I think given time to learn, he'll be a very nice pro QB.
Wheedon has maturity already due to his age and he could bring some leadership qualities from the start, but as you stated, his age will diminish his draft value.
I don't like Foles, and I don't want a 28 year old Rookie in Wheedon.
They might as well just trade straight up for Claussen, Frye, Quinn, or Boller, if they are going to draft one of those two.
That's just my opinion.
Of course, that means Foles will probably go to Pittsburgh and win for 10 years.
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What if that guard was DeCastrol? It won't be, but what if?
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I just do not see us going Guard high in this draft.
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If someone told you that you could have a 22-year-old Steve Hutchinson with the 22nd pick in the draft would you do it? I do and don't even think twice. From everything I've read DeCastro has the potential to be that type of player.
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Sure, if I could guarantee a Hall of Fame anything, I'd do so and take that player in a heartbeat.
However I don't see the browns looking at a Guard in the 1st 3 or 4 rounds of the draft regardless.
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FA will be interesting to see what WR we go after...If we sign Hillis...
Defense heavy 1st 4 picks???...Hmmmm...It's not like we don't still have a problem controlling any REAL running game...
So say we stick with McCoy another year...Or even sign Flynn...We ink one of the Top 3 WR's in FA regardless of name...Hillis or another FA RB...And we go to the draft with WR no longer a massive need...As we go thru the draft defensive players are VALUE at our picks...
Would anyone scream about this???
4---Claiborne CB LSU
22--Ingram DE South Carolina
36--Zach Brown OLB North Carolina (Slight Drop has him BPA)
68--Robert Lester FS Bama'
100--Levy Adcock OT--Ok. State
119--Ryan Broyles WR Oklahoma
That ALMOST has me saying "No to Luck"...lol...
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If the Browns could nab Tannehill in the second round, I wouldn't be upset one bit.
Another QB that's been lost in all this talk is Jimmy Clausen. He was drafted in the 2nd round by Carolina two years ago and hasn't even played very much at all. Offer Carolina a 7th rounder for him. If they wouldn't go for that, offer then a sixth, but not both.
Clausen's contract isn't untenable (topping at $6.3 million for 4 years - 2 of which have already passed). Being out of Notre Dame (and we all know about Quinn), but he was considered a Top 10 pick (fell to 48th) and might be worth a shot if the price is workable.
Just some food for thought.
Holmgren didn't like Claussen last year. In fact his semi famous quote was "I wish I liked him more". I don't see us trading for him when he has no elite attributes, and wasn't that highly thought of by the Browns brain trust to start with.
I think he would probably like him fine enough if all they gave up for him was a 7th. I kind of find it funny that anyone would say that any QB has 'elite attributes'. First, you don't need someone with 'elite attributes' if they have 'the intangibles'. I think a 7th round pick is worth a flyer on a QB that was selected in the 2nd round just two years removed from the draft.
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I like Foles and I think given time to learn, he'll be a very nice pro QB.
Wheedon has maturity already due to his age and he could bring some leadership qualities from the start, but as you stated, his age will diminish his draft value.
I don't like Foles, and I don't want a 28 year old Rookie in Wheedon.
They might as well just trade straight up for Claussen, Frye, Quinn, or Boller, if they are going to draft one of those two.
That's just my opinion.
Of course, that means Foles will probably go to Pittsburgh and win for 10 years.
I've mentioned Claussen in a trade (a Browns 7th) to Carolina for him. I'd consider it unless there was a player still on the board that they liked more or if they had already selected a QB in the draft.
Holmgren has said every year that he likes to bring in a QB.
I think the Foles kid has all kinds of potential and with Roethlisberger's injuries every year, that they very well may draft a QB this year or they may try to grab one of them coming out next year. Roethlisberger isn't long for the game. He'll be out of the league due to injuries in a few years.
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What if that guard was DeCastrol? It won't be, but what if?
If DeCastro is there at 22, you're converting atheists to believe in God and that miracles do happen and you unplug the phone and have a card with his name on it so fast and into Goddell's hands that it makes everyone's heads spin in the hall. 
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Sure, if I could guarantee a Hall of Fame anything, I'd do so and take that player in a heartbeat.
However I don't see the browns looking at a Guard in the 1st 3 or 4 rounds of the draft regardless.
Because they're sold on Lauvao?
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I would go RT before I went guard. Steinbach will return and Pinkston will keep getting better (can he be our RT?). Lavauo isn't as bad as people make him out to be. He showed signs of growth and next year he may be decent. But JT, Steinbach, Mack, Pinkston and a stud RT would give us one of the best OLs in the league. Likewise, one more DE (Mario, please) would give us one of the best DLs in the league. That's not a bad way to build.
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I am not sold on DeCastro - (Disclaimer - I have only seen 2 Stanford games this year) He seems like a big strong in-line mauler. Great for an offense like the 9ers but I don't see him as nimble enough to thrive in a pass 1st offense and I don't recall any plays where I saw him get out and pull. He seems to remind me of Duke Robinson the All-American OG out of Oklahoma a few yeas back. I don't see him as a good fit for us. JMO.
Claussen isn't worth a 7th rounder.
No way does Cincy trade up ahead of us to get Blackmon (seriously?)
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FA will be interesting to see what WR we go after...If we sign Hillis...
Defense heavy 1st 4 picks???...Hmmmm...It's not like we don't still have a problem controlling any REAL running game...
So say we stick with McCoy another year...Or even sign Flynn...We ink one of the Top 3 WR's in FA regardless of name...Hillis or another FA RB...And we go to the draft with WR no longer a massive need...As we go thru the draft defensive players are VALUE at our picks...
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4---Claiborne CB LSU
22--Ingram DE South Carolina
36--Zach Brown OLB North Carolina (Slight Drop has him BPA)
68--Robert Lester FS Bama'
100--Levy Adcock OT--Ok. State
119--Ryan Broyles WR Oklahoma
That ALMOST has me saying "No to Luck"...lol...
First..I don't think the Browns really want to start McCoy next season..and they don't want to break the bank for Flynn.
So I think(and U know when I say I think..I actually saw something,it's just too early to know for certain)..they will go QB with that first pick or move up with the Atlanta pick..I think Tannehill is the main target..and I think they may go WR with the other pick.Or OT..
I also think they are a little sick on the stomach with Hillis ,so I won't be shocked if they allow him to look in FA and sign with another team.
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First..I don't think the Browns really want to start McCoy next season..and they don't want to break the bank for Flynn.
So I think(and U know when I say I think..I actually saw something,it's just too early to know for certain)..they will go QB with that first pick or move up with the Atlanta pick..I think Tannehill is the main target..and I think they may go WR with the other pick.Or OT..
I also think they are a little sick on the stomach with Hillis ,so I won't be shocked if they allow him to look in FA and sign with another team.
I love Tannehill, but if they pick him and don't sign a free agent, I would assume Colt starts next year while Tannehill gets ready.
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That would have the potential to be a nasty receiving corp. but I don't know if the Bengals move up for a postion that is not really a need. They could stay at 17 and still get a good receiver if that the direction thay want to go.
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I also doubt strongly that we go RB at #4. The value just isn't there. A top 10 pick is a guy you expect to play for your team for the next decade. RB typically don't have that kind of longevity.
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The more I think about it, I don't want to bother with a RB in the top two rounds. AND I don't really care about bringing back Hillis.
Build an O-line, bring in WRs and that will open more holes for any RB. Sure, we need a QB for all that to play out correctly.....but that proves even further to not waste high draft picks on RBs.
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The rules of the NFL have hampered the value of RBs. It's a passing league now. RBs have become run of the mill (for the most part). Even when Adrian Peterson didn't play, I think Gerhart had 1 or 2 100+ yd games. Obbie-nah-ya had a game with 115 yards. You can find RBs to run the ball well when the OL is doing a good job and the WRs stretch the defense. As good as I think Richardson will be, I can't see the long-term value in picking him at #4.
Now...if he's available at #22...then maybe. Doubtful but that's just about where Mark Ingram, the first RB taken in the 2011 draft, fell so it's not out of the question.
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I think this draft he gets his franchise QB and franchise RB. I would love to see both Richardson and Tannehill in a Browns uniform but I suspect if that were to happen, we would have to take Tannehill at 4. Heckert likes someone, he isn't afraid to go get him, mock consensus be damned.
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Back in the 70's/80's teams would have loved a big power back like Hillis. A later example would be Bettis. Guys built for a pound the ball down your throat offense. But now a days teams do not succeed by sustaining long scoring drives that often. I think because it is too easy for the high flying offenses to score that you just cannot sustain that many long drives to keep up.
I think this is why RB's are diminished in value overall. But by comparison sake, the big play RB (LeSean McCoy, Chris Johnson, Arien Foster) guys who are a threat to take any run, any swing pass to the house are more valuable. I think that is one reason Ingram fell so far in the draft last year. Which type of back is Richardson? I am not sure. He certainly has some great Rb characteristics but is he that "take it all the way threat"? I have some doubts about that which is why I am much more in favor of going after Lamar Miller with our 1b than taking Richardson with 1a.
My ideal draft would be Blackmon and Miller as our 2 1st round picks. If Blackmon isn't available at #4 I would have no problem dropping down to 10-15 (I know many of you hate that idea but 6-10 isn't better talent in this draft than 10-15) and take Miller with our new 1a.
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I am not sold on DeCastro - (Disclaimer - I have only seen 2 Stanford games this year) He seems like a big strong in-line mauler. Great for an offense like the 9ers but I don't see him as nimble enough to thrive in a pass 1st offense and I don't recall any plays where I saw him get out and pull. He seems to remind me of Duke Robinson the All-American OG out of Oklahoma a few yeas back. I don't see him as a good fit for us. JMO.
Agree 100%....DeCastro is an elite 1 dimensional guy that will be "ok" in pass pro...he's this draft's G/RT version of Mack imho
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First..I don't think the Browns really want to start McCoy next season..and they don't want to break the bank for Flynn.
So I think(and U know when I say I think..I actually saw something,it's just too early to know for certain)..they will go QB with that first pick or move up with the Atlanta pick..I think Tannehill is the main target..and I think they may go WR with the other pick.Or OT..
tacker...what did you see?
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I am much more in favor of going after Lamar Miller with our 1b than taking Richardson with 1a.
My ideal draft would be Blackmon and Miller as our 2 1st round picks. If Blackmon isn't available at #4 I would have no problem dropping down to 10-15 (I know many of you hate that idea but 6-10 isn't better talent in this draft than 10-15) and take Miller with our new 1a.
I approve of this message (especially since Cinci likely 'steals' Lamar Miller before our 22 spot.
*also, I wouldn't mind Claiborne or Kalil in the #4 spot just to get more elite talent on the team, but if someone is offering a trade down + next year's 1st rounder, I'd bite.
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I think Cinci has an ok WR corps as it is. Green is a stud and they also have Simpson who played pretty well. I think Cinci will stay put and maybe get an OL or two, then a DB to replace Pacman.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Right now it’s way too early to know what exact direction the FO wants to go,but do not be shocked if Hillis is not back on the team..don’t expect them to trade up for Luck..don’t expect them to take Claiborne or Richardson with the 4th pick.
Blackmon may be the WR they look at but Floyd might be the one they like better.
QB’s..a few names to watch..Tannehill,Tyler Wilson..
RB’s they may target..my choice of the suspect names is Chris Polk of Washington..probably a 2nd-third rounder..
Now my thought is if they want to secure Tannehill,then they might either trade down from 4 and then select him or trade up from 22 and take him..that move is risker due to other teams wanting a QB from pick 5 on down..so IMO they take Tanne first..might not happen but I won’t be shocked if it does
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Tannehill knows this offense. His weakness is a general lack of experience at the QB position. He needs to immerse himself in film study to learn defenses and he needs time on the field.
Besides what could he learn from Colt. How not to anticipate a route? How to throw the ball to your center when the game is on the line? How to get your receiver killed? How to feel pressure and choke beneath it?
There are times when a QB needs to watch and learn and there are times when a QB needs to play. Tannehill needs reps.
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Tannehill at 4.
You do that now.
I think after the all-star games, combines, etc, Tannehill's stock is going to go up.
Right now he may be projected as a late first rounder, but once all is there for everybody to see, I suspect he moves up a great deal.
So much so that selecting him at #4 won't be much of a reach.
I don't think anybody is going to jump us to select him #3, but I don't think we can trade down and still get him as Miami would be all over him IMO.
I like the idea of Tannehill. Really nothing not to like except people can point to him being fairly new to the position....but that IMO is another positive the guy has going for him.
He plays great and hasn't done it long.
If people can sit there and tell me Colt McCoy can improve his arm strength(how's that worked out?) then surely they can believe a player will only get better with more experience.
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We could probably trade from 22 up to around 15 and get Richardson. I think he will fall on draft day. If they really want Tannehill, I dont think he can make it past Redskins, Phins and Seahawks. If you think he is a franchise QB you take him. If you don't you pass on him.
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my opinion is not going to change on a player that I have seen extensively here in TX over the last 2 years without another game being played.
i don't care what allstar games and workouts do to his draft stock. i see him as this year's Gabbert (all the physical tools but way too raw to be a 1st round QB - needs a few years of grooming to refine and 1st round picks rarely get that. especially for bad teams).
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