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Wow,, you may have hit something there. Not only did he have that kinda thing going with Young, but before him with McNair.. He's very used to handling mobil QB's... interesting.
I see no way we stay at 4 at this point if we get the kind of offers I am thinking will come our way. That is like Gold to a talent starved team looking to build through the draft.
9.)Burfict
22.)Jeffrey
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No wonder I dont have a hair on my head. I have pulled it all out with crazy stuff like Burfict in the top 10. Has anyone ever actually watched Burfict? He had more personal fouls than tackles for loss. If he is drafted in the first round, I will tuck my tail between my legs and leave this board for good. Hell if he goes in the 2nd I'll ban myself for a month.
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he was benched too. for an arizona state team that really needed him.
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My first thought is no way do we work that type of deal with a division rival. But then thinking about it more maybe it wouldn't be such a bad deal.Since the NFL is becoming a passing league and they want to give up that much for a RB it could work to our advantage. If Blackmon where still on the board and they wanted to trade up to four I would say absolutely not. If he is gone and Richardson is the target then maybe that could work.
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No wonder I dont have a hair on my head. I have pulled it all out with crazy stuff like Burfict in the top 10. Has anyone ever actually watched Burfict? He had more personal fouls than tackles for loss. If he is drafted in the first round, I will tuck my tail between my legs and leave this board for good. Hell if he goes in the 2nd I'll ban myself for a month.
How about a year? I'll ban myself for a year if he goes lower than a 2nd and you ban yourself if he goes higher than a second..deal? He will go in the teens low 20s at the latest. Come on..lets bet!
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No wonder I dont have a hair on my head. I have pulled it all out with crazy stuff like Burfict in the top 10. Has anyone ever actually watched Burfict? He had more personal fouls than tackles for loss. If he is drafted in the first round, I will tuck my tail between my legs and leave this board for good. Hell if he goes in the 2nd I'll ban myself for a month.
How about a year? I'll ban myself for a year if he goes lower than a 2nd and you ban yourself if he goes higher than a second..deal? He will go in the teens low 20s at the latest. Come on..lets bet!
Yo..You still there? One year ban... you in? Feeling confident or just talking to talk?
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Nah wont bet, I dont want to take advantage. Half the teams will have taken him completely off their board. Dennis Erickson still has a lot of clout with NFL teams and man the report he is going to give on this kid wont be good.
He took him out of the game after 2 or 3 personal fouls against USC and the camera shows him hamming it up on the sidelines. The guy is aggressive and a violent player but he does not have the discipline to play in the NFL. Most of his personal fouls have been within 2 feet of the ref.
I would not be surprised if the kid isn't in jail before the draft anyway. He just has lifer written all over him and he is exactly what teams want to avoid in the draft but hey there is always the chance the Bengals will take him lol.
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Burfict 9th? Reach a little?
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Nah wont bet, I dont want to take advantage. Half the teams will have taken him completely off their board. Dennis Erickson still has a lot of clout with NFL teams and man the report he is going to give on this kid wont be good.
He took him out of the game after 2 or 3 personal fouls against USC and the camera shows him hamming it up on the sidelines. The guy is aggressive and a violent player but he does not have the discipline to play in the NFL. Most of his personal fouls have been within 2 feet of the ref.
I would not be surprised if the kid isn't in jail before the draft anyway. He just has lifer written all over him and he is exactly what teams want to avoid in the draft but hey there is always the chance the Bengals will take him lol.
Don't worry about taking advantage..Let's bet. You already said you will leave the board for good if he is drafted in the first. But I won't hold that to you. How about a 2 year ban? If he goes out of the first I will ban myself for 2 years and if he goes in the first you ban yourself for only 2 years. deal? You have no problem poking ffun at someone so now is time to put your money where your mouth is.
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Burfict 9th? Reach a little?
Yes it is a little reach..I think he could be had later but don't think he will make it past KC and if he did wouldn't get by the Giants. Baltimore Pittsburgh or Detroit..
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Damn.. 2 years. You guys don't mess around.
No matter how much I believe something, I'd never trust NFL execs to think the same way. 32 teams... a lot of odd decisions made every year.
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Ok bet is on.
Sounds Good!! 
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Throwing out another scenario for you all to discuss/debate:
Let's say Cincy falls in love with Trent Richardson and believes they are a RB away from really being able to compete in our division, which may be the case after this past year. Anyways, they call us and offer both of their 2012 firsts and fourth round pick to us for #4 (once again, I am basing these draft pick trades off of the NFL Draft Point Value Chart). Would you take it knowing that you will have to face Dalton/Green/Richardson twice a year for the next 10 years potentially??
That would give us three first round picks this year at 17, 21, and 22 (plus 3 4th round picks). It would give us many different options where we could combine picks to move back up into the early teens if we wanted to (maybe higher).
Potentially, our first three picks, if we want to go offense could be the Stanford G DeCastro, Baylor WR Wright, and the Miami RB Miller...
or, depending on if we focus free agency on the offense side of the ball...
We could go 3 defensive picks and pick up the Nebraska CB Dennard, South Carolina DE Ingram, and Alabama LB Hightower...
Thoughts??
I would also ask for their #1 the following year. We're talking 13 spots.
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I have a better chance of winning the lottery, finding a 4 leaf clover, getting raped by a leprechaun when I bend over to pick it up just on the way to cash in the winning ticket than Burfict does of being drafted in the first.
If a guy like Dennis Erickson can't get through to a player few will try and I can't imagine anyone giving up a first round pick just for the opportunity to get through to a kid.
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I haven't seen Burfict ranked top twenty let alone top ten.
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I haven't seen Burfict ranked top twenty let alone top ten.
Yeah...That's okay. Long way till draft. If everyone thought alike what would be the point?
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I have a better chance of winning the lottery, finding a 4 leaf clover, getting raped by a leprechaun when I bend over to pick it up just on the way to cash in the winning ticket than Burfict does of being drafted in the first.
If a guy like Dennis Erickson can't get through to a player few will try and I can't imagine anyone giving up a first round pick just for the opportunity to get through to a kid.
Funny..lol Can't wait to see your face when that little leprechaun gives you a Big surprise!! We'll see who laughs last though!
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Just to make it official  If Burfict is drafted in the 1st round, then Mourgrym is banning himself for 2 years.
If Burfict is drafted outside of the 1st round, then LOYALDAWG is banning himself for 2 years that's really silly IMO as 2 years is alot but hey, it'll make an interesting side discussion as the draft slips into the 20s
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I think the leprechaun will be the one laughing in that scenario.
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Just to make it official
If Burfict is drafted in the 1st round, then Mourgrym is banning himself for 2 years.
If Burfict is drafted outside of the 1st round, then LOYALDAWG is banning himself for 2 years
that's really silly IMO as 2 years is alot but hey, it'll make an interesting side discussion as the draft slips into the 20s
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Just to make it official
If Burfict is drafted in the 1st round, then Mourgrym is banning himself for 2 years.
If Burfict is drafted outside of the 1st round, then LOYALDAWG is banning himself for 2 years
that's really silly IMO as 2 years is alot but hey, it'll make an interesting side discussion as the draft slips into the 20s
+1
Two years seems awfully excessive. Why not just say a thousand years....a google years....or infinity? If you could stay away from this board for two years, why come back? You'd have found a new site to talk Browns football by then (or given up Browns football).
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I think the leprechaun will be the one laughing in that scenario.
I'm trying to remember something this silly on the board. It's been at least since Coach B was roaming this sideline.
Just do a sig bet for cripes sake.
Anyway I am going to put a +1 in the Mourgym corner. Dennis Erickson is about as player friendly and lenient as they come. For him to put a late first round talent on the sidelines speaks volumes.
Burfict is a knuckle. I'm not sure who would pick him in the first.
1. Oakland doesn't have a first round pick
2. Al Davis' corpse is now officially a corpse.
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Burfict is a knuckle. I'm not sure who would pick him in the first.
1. Oakland doesn't have a first round pick
2. Al Davis' corpse is now officially a corpse.
don't forget that Cinci already has Rey-M on their team (as they may have ignored his behavior as well).
really, the hope would be that Baltimore thinks it has enough guys to keep him in line and they take him. but, unless he commits a murder and is able to get away with it at the Superbowl, I just don't see that happening.
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We'll miss you, Loyaldawg.
No way in hell Burfict is drafted in the first round. Incredibly overrated talent with a case of the crazies.
The only reason he went pro is because his teammates and coaching staff hated him and he hated Arizona State. Also, he committed multiple personal fouls at Arizona State, one that included shoving a ref, headbutting a QB after a play, almost being an academic casualty, and has attempted to choke players on the field.
Did I mention his poor angle taken to tackles and his poor tackling technique and his awful year this year both on and off the field at Arizona State that saw him being benched by one of the most player friendly coaches in Denis Erickson?
The guy is the biggest moron I have ever seen and isn't all that talented. I'd be shocked if someone took that bet in the first round.
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Wasn't he the first person to also take off his ice skate and try to stab someone with it? Wait, that was Happy Gilmore.
Everything else, all VB.
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wasn't brandon meriwether drafted in the first round?
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We'll miss you, Loyaldawg.
No way in hell Burfict is drafted in the first round. Incredibly overrated talent with a case of the crazies.
The guy is the biggest moron I have ever seen and isn't all that talented. I'd be shocked if someone took that bet in the first round.
Thanks BBdawg! See I think the same crazy things when people talk about Griffin being a Franchise Caliber QB. I see nothing more than a 2nd/ 3rd round Prospect. But hey at least I can think for myself. I think Burfict has all the talent in the world and by far is the most naturally gifted and Talented LB'r in this draft. Yeah, the guy made some boneheaded mistakes but you can not teach what he has inside of him. That is why he is special and I will be here and the ones who look at me like a coocoo will be looking at me like a coocoo that knew what he was talking about when April rolls around. lol Back in 96 they said the same things about Rey Lewis...I think we all know how that turned out. I'm pretty confident though and if you would like to jump in on this bet you are more than welcome?
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Yes he is! Bigbaddawg a lot of the stuff you say is made up..He needed a class to maintain eligibility..he took it and that's that. Here is some stuff you didn't know. He was a 5 star prospect and the #1 rated LB coming out of High School in the Country. To say he lacks talent is just insane. I think he would add an identity we lack and a presence we need and allow us to move DQ outside.
We begin with a story because it’s those tales of you’re-not-going-to-believe-this moments that best describe Vontaze Burfict.
It was Week 3 of his freshman season in 2009, barely two months removed from the first time he had strapped on pads at Arizona State, walked onto the practice field and shown he was the best player in the park.
A Pac-12 coach calls Vontaze Burfict “deliciously violent.” An NFL scout calls him “what you get after you kick Ray Lewis’ dog.” (AP Photo)
Deep into the fourth quarter on a steamy night in Athens, Ga., the score was tied. The player Georgia coach Mark Richt would later say “should be playing in the (NFL) right now” saw from his middle linebacker spot that the defensive front was lined up incorrectly. So he did the unthinkable.
As the umpire walked away after marking the ball ready for play, Burfict pushed the official into the Georgia line of scrimmage to stop the play and allow the defense to reset.
“I’ve never seen anything like it,” ASU quarterback Brock Osweiler says. “I said to one of our coaches,
‘Did he just do what I think he just did?’ ”
And that’s just half the story.
After the reset, with Georgia in a goal-line power formation, Burfict timed the snap, leapt over the line of scrimmage, his body flying into Bulldogs fullback Fred Munzenmaier and disrupting the play. As quickly as he landed, he popped up to his knees and pulled Munzenmaier down for a loss.
“For every great story you have about Vontaze,” says Stanford quarterback Andrew Luck, “another guy on another team will say he has one better.”
Here’s the best one of all: The toughest, meanest, nastiest player in the college game—the guy opponents fear and officials target, the guy once benched by his own coach because his violent makeup led to too many personal fouls—barely says two words away from his 53⅓-by-100-yard lined playground.
He is the ultimate enigma. A shy and reserved son who loves his mother and football and focuses on little else and a destructive, intimidating linebacker whose exploits have become so famous—or infamous, depending on how you see it—he has become a YouTube phenom.
Don’t believe it? Type Vontaze Burfict into the search field, and watch the ensuing carnage.
A Pac-12 coach calls him “deliciously violent.” An NFL scout calls him “what you get after you kick Ray Lewis’ dog.”
When told this story would proclaim him the “meanest man in college football,” four soft words escaped with one breath:
“I would love that.”
After an offseason of turmoil, after both teams that played in last year’s BCS national championship game find themselves in the middle of NCAA investigations, a crossroads season begins with little certainty about where the game is headed.
Leave it to a guy who idolizes Ray Lewis and Dick Butkus, who at 6-3, 252 pounds has eye-popping closing speed, to bring it all into focus. The game is still about blocking and tackling and X’s and O’s and ultimately about who plays defense.
It’s the Arizona State defense—and Burfict’s place in it—that reveals some delicious possibilities this fall for the Sun Devils: perhaps a Pac-12 championship, a national championship and maybe even a Heisman Trophy run for the nation’s best defensive player. All from a team that finished 6-6 last season and from a player very few know about outside the West Coast.
So while every television bobblehead and basement blogger knows every statistic connected to Luck and his fabulous right arm, maybe it’s time to go retro and celebrate the beauty that is violence. Unvarnished, unhinged, unreal physical violence.
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“I know one thing,” says Oregon State coach Mike Riley. “Somebody is taking a blow every play (Burfict is) on the field.”
Poor Russel Hill. The Idaho State quarterback was just trying to get through a game two years ago when his FCS Bengals played rent-a-victim for Arizona State in the season opener. That was also Burfict’s first game—Idaho State was the first opponent to experience the terror that is Burfict.
Midway through a typical blowout game against an FCS patsy, Burfict left his zone responsibility as Hill rolled left out of the pocket. Burfict’s rush from his spot 5 yards off the line of scrimmage to 5 yards into the backfield was so fast and furious, Hill could not avoid the collision.
Burfict hit Hill so hard with a textbook tackle—shoulder pads in stomach—Hill was knocked about four feet off the ground and four feet back before Burfict drove him into the turf.
“That kind of opened everybody else’s eyes,” Arizona State linebacker Colin Parker says, “but we knew what we had.”
Arizona State knew what it had on the field. But away from the field, away from the collisions and destruction that play out like a video game, there is real life—and there are reasons the most violent player on the field becomes the quietest person in the room like the flip of a switch.
There is a boy growing up in a single-parent household, who was named after a father who hasn’t seen or spoken to him in years. A boy raised by a mother who did all she could to protect her children, so she eventually moved from the streets of Los Angeles to Corona, Calif., because she could take no more.
“I earned my ‘I survived South Central’ T-shirt,” says Burfict’s mom, Lisa Williams. “I wasn’t going to put my kids through that anymore.”
Burfict, at age 12, devised a plan of his own. He’d go to the NFL and with his first paycheck buy his mother a beautiful home. When as a young man he recognized he couldn’t fulfill that dream without correcting his academic shortfalls, he made another decision that will someday help him take care of the mother who’d always taken care of him.
Burfict was a sophomore in high school when he decided he had to leave home and stay for weeks at a time with the family of Tia Magee, an academic counselor and mother of his Centennial High School—and current Arizona State—teammate Brandon Magee. Burfict was ineligible for nearly his entire sophomore season, and he had to make up a year and a half of coursework with summer school, night classes and independent courses over the next two years.
From near academic casualty to a player former USC coach Pete Carroll whined about upon losing the recruiting battle to Arizona State, Burfict now is arguably the most gifted—and complicated—player in the game.
“I’ve never seen anyone who can change his personality so quickly and so differently,” Arizona State defensive tackle Bo Moos says. “It’s almost like it’s building up and building up, and then he releases it when he’s in pads and gets on the field. Then you see the plays he makes, and it blows your mind.”
Like the first day of pads at ASU, when the sound of one of his hits reverberated.
“The entire practice just stopped,” former Sun Devils assistant coach and current Duke passing game coordinator Matt Lubick says. “We kind of looked at each other and said, ‘Whoa, we’ve got something here.’ ”
Or the play against Washington in 2009, when Burfict shot the gap on a fly sweep, knocked the guard off his feet and made the tackle. During film study, coaches replayed the moment over and over in sheer disbelief.
“I swear to God, he decleated a 325-pound guy,” Moos says. “You wouldn’t believe it if it wasn’t on film.”
Or the play last year against Oregon, a game many NFL scouts say defines Burfict’s talent—which lies in his ability to chase and pursue from one side of the play to the other without giving up ground or explosive power—because the Ducks run read option plays where the quarterback reads the defensive tackle and directs the flow of the play away from his pursuit.
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Burfict shot the gap, knocking Oregon guard Carson York into the backfield and forcing Ducks quarterback Darron Thomas to commit to handing off to tailback LaMichael James. Burfict then tackled both York and James—460-plus pounds of player—at the same time for a 5-yard loss.
“You’re thinking he can’t do that,” former Oregon center Jordan Holmes says, “and then he does it, and you’re left thinking, Holy cow.”
Or two years ago against Oregon State, when the Beavers ran a simple isolation play with tailback Jacquizz Rodgers. Left guard Grant Johnson was pulling to the right side. Burfict negotiated traffic, burst through a hole as the play was stringing out and hit Johnson—who was in front of Rodgers blocking—with such force that the near-300-pounder flew into Rodgers and put him on the turf.
“Oh yeah, I remember that one,” says James Rodgers, Jacquizz’s brother and then-Oregon State teammate. “Players, we see a lot of stuff on the field. It’s not often that you’re left saying, ‘Did he just do that?’ ”
Almost always, he did, and here’s the best part about it: He’s already moving on to the next play, the next adjustment, the next chance to get better. In this age of chest thumping, me-first peacocks primping and posturing for all to see, Burfict is a rarity.
He doesn’t really care about the highlight reel. In fact, he has never seen his videos on YouTube and doesn’t plan on searching. The game, he says, is simple: The toughest guy wins.
“Especially in the position I play,” Burfict says. “I can’t be soft. I’m going against 300-pound guys coming at me full speed. You’ve got to bring that violence.”
Sometimes that hellbent style does more harm than good. At least in the eyes of officials. Since that first game against Idaho State, he has built a unique relationship with them: He doesn’t like them, they don’t like him.
Arizona State has become so concerned about officials targeting Burfict, they sent game tape to the league office this offseason so new Pac-12 coordinator of officials Tony Corrente could better evaluate the situation. The league fired 11 officials after last season, and although commissioner Larry Scott didn’t give specifics, a Pac-12 source said poor and inconsistent calls during and after plays—including personal foul calls—were determining factors.
“People paint him as a monster, make it seem like he’s eating babies or something,” ASU linebacker Oliver Aaron says. “When he’s on the field, he’s not saying nice things; it’s definitely R-rated. Then you see him making plays 99 percent of the guys don’t make, and you can see how (officials) may have it out for him.
Every play is a highlight.”
So everyone has a story. Like the time Burfict—from one knee—threw a perfect spiral 60 yards in practice.
Or the time in a high school all-star game when a game of rock, paper, scissors with a teammate allowed him one carry at tailback—a carry he took 73 yards for a touchdown.
Or when people would tell Lisa Williams that her youngest son wouldn’t make it, that he’d be a “street thug” because he didn’t like school and didn’t want to put in the effort to change.
Or when, after yet another All-American-level performance last season, Burfict stood outside the gates at Sun Devil Stadium and signed autographs and mingled with young fans long after the crowd of players and coaches had thinned out.
“I told Junior, I’m so proud of who you have become,” Williams says. “He looked at me and said, ‘Mom, that was me once before.’ ”
For every story you’ll hear about Vontaze Burfict, someone somewhere will have one better.
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Just to make it official
If Burfict is drafted in the 1st round, then Mourgrym is banning himself for 2 years.
If Burfict is drafted outside of the 1st round, then LOYALDAWG is banning himself for 2 years
that's really silly IMO as 2 years is alot but hey, it'll make an interesting side discussion as the draft slips into the 20s
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Two years seems awfully excessive. Why not just say a thousand years....a google years....or infinity? If you could stay away from this board for two years, why come back? You'd have found a new site to talk Browns football by then (or given up Browns football).
I think that if Burfict is drafted in the first 7 rounds, Akronjoe should be banned for two years.
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Well, I don't know what round he gets drafted in, but DAMN, that is one CRAZY guy,,,Looks very very fast. 
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See ya Mourg.
He SHOULDN'T go in the 1st round.
He will.
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Yes he is! Bigbaddawg a lot of the stuff you say is made up..He needed a class to maintain eligibility..he took it and that's that. Here is some stuff you didn't know. He was a 5 star prospect and the #1 rated LB coming out of High School in the Country. To say he lacks talent is just insane. I think he would add an identity we lack and a presence we need and allow us to move DQ outside.
How is it made up?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=7VzapQ5W0V8
http://www.youtube.com/embed/r3z7gomDA4A
http://www.youtube.com/embed/C2lUsCay2Ro
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By Erick Smith, USA TODAY
Updated 2011-08-08 6:14 PM
Arizona State junior Vontaze Burfict, one of the nation's top linebackers, had an incident with a teammate, though conflicting details have emerged about the seriousness of the altercation.
CAPTIONBy Paul Connors, AP
The Arizona Republic confirmed an exchange between Burfict and wide receiver Kevin Ozier took place after practice last week. According to one person, Burfict waited for Ozier in the locker room. Burfict threw a punch, Ozier threw a punch and the fight was broken up. According to people, neither player was injured.
The incident was first reported by SPORTSbyBROOKS.com. That story described the incident as Burfict "sucker-punching" Ozier, who was then initially unresponsive after the blow knocked him to the ground.
Sun Devils coach Dennis Erickson downplayed the incident.
"I've been in 38-40 camps in my coaching career," Erickson said. "Things like that happen on the field, tempers, and sometimes unfortunately they carry off the field, not very often but that happens. That's not anything unusual. Because it was Vontaze obviously it was reported the way it was reported."
Burfict has practiced every day since the incident. According to one person, Arizona State has a 12-player panel that deals with in-house issues and the altercation was addressed. It's not known if Burfict or Ozier was disciplined.
Burfict is a preseason All-America candidate after recording 90 tackles as a sophomore last season.
Over his career, Burfict's temper has gotten him into trouble at practice and on the game field. Erickson benched him last season for first quarter against Washington following a head-butting personal foul the previous week against Oregon State.
Erickson has praised Burfict for better behavior during spring practice and fall camp.
The Arizona Republic said Erickson was not available for comment.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/...ight-teammate/1
Notice how none of these stories don't have Burfict quotes? Apparently Erickson won't let him talk to the media.
BTW, I never said he wasn't big, fast and strong. I'm saying he takes crappy angles and cannot tackle properly.
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you had a good run Hank.
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BTW, I never said he wasn't big, fast and strong. I'm saying he takes crappy angles and cannot tackle properly.
You said he was overrated and not very talented but no biggie! It's our own opinions and only time will tell! Didn't catch if you wanted in on that bet too? You seemed pretty sure saying he wouldn't go in the first so thought you might want in? I guess I could do another 2 years! LOL
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If I read some of the reports on him correctly, he's a middle LB,
One suggestion I read said the Browns should draft him with the pick they got from Atlanta, put him in the middle and move DQ outside. They mentioned fixing two LB positions with one move.
I don't have a clue how good that would be because I don't know much about this kid, But I do know that DQ is one of the Bright spots on D playing the middle.. I'd hate to screw with that.
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Ban bets seem so childish but whatever floats your guys' respective boats.
I think it's hard to doubt Burfict's talent but he seems like a headcase. He could either be a 1st round pick or a 3rd day pick. You never know. Teams will interview him and assess him, I personally have no idea where he'll go. All it takes is one team to fall in love with him.
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This guy is a headcase,but man would I love to see him in Cleveland.The perfect answer to James Harrison.
Sadly,when we do see him in Cleveland,it won't be as a Brown.His style of play willnot mesh with our Northern Cali white wine spritzer image we/re trying to build here.
Indecision may,or maynot,be my problem
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