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It's okay to like Bone Thugs n' Harmony and a nice napa chardonnay right? That is what I tell myself. btw...I would be willing to bet... That the people that think Burfict is a first rounder are young. Whereas the people who think he's a second rounder or later are 30+. The reason I bring that up is that one group was raised on the Sportscenter highlight while the other was not. I don't know of a GM younger than me. And if there is one I'm going to be even more depressed. 
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It's okay to like Bone Thugs n' Harmony and a nice napa chardonnay right? That is what I tell myself.
btw...I would be willing to bet...
That the people that think Burfict is a first rounder are young. Whereas the people who think he's a second rounder or later are 30+.
The reason I bring that up is that one group was raised on the Sportscenter highlight while the other was not.
I don't know of a GM younger than me. And if there is one I'm going to be even more depressed.
Well you got me pegged wrong! lol I'm latish 30ish.  I grew up knowing what a hard nosed football bleeding walking triage unit looks like and Burfict is it. He is and will be a difference maker, teams will be weary of where he is at all times, he will make teams false start..He is a playmaker in the middle of the D and will be for years. As someone else said he is would be our answer to Harrison..He would be our answer to a number of things including being a final piece to forming an identity on D that will make teams take notice.
Daman. Yeah DQ had agreat year in the middle but his ability and skillset can best help this team by getting that thumper/enforcer in the middle and him On the outside. 2 birds with one stone.
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I'm 38 and IMO he will go no lower than Baltimore, replacing R. Lewis!!!
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I'm 38 and IMO he will go no lower than Baltimore, replacing R. Lewis!!!
I hope so.
He and Maualuga in the same division would be a Play Action dream.
you had a good run Hank.
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I'm 38 and IMO he will go no lower than Baltimore, replacing R. Lewis!!!
I hope so.
He and Maualuga in the same division would be a Play Action dream.
Oh yeah, he drops back in coverage well, can handle and win line of scrimmage battle against bigger linemen. His natural instincts are undeniable. You won't want this guy manning the middle of another defense in our Division period. You probably like a guy like Keuchly..lol Yay!
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You probably like a guy like Keuchly..lol Yay!
Yes I do.. I also don't like how you are acting towards people just because you have orgasms over Burfict..... Every player has their strengths and weakness... like every poster has an opinion...
The NFL is not putting up with players like Suh and Harrison... So that puts a damper on the views of Burfict...Do I agree...not always.. I love hard hitting players...
Unfortunately I don't make the rules...But the players have to follow them or they hurt the team when they make immature decisions...
What are you trying to turn this draft forum into ? Ban every one that doesn't agree with you...really immature ...sorta like the guy your pimping..
I think Kuechly will go before Burfict...But i'm not going to bet you a permanent ban he does...Cause that's my opinion... and you have good points on stuff...use it wisely..
and really... you and Mourg should just do a sig bet...you both are quality posters.be a shame one of you have to get banned and come back under a different name....ghosting isn't allowed...
I just got the call..I have to go plow snow...so enjoy 
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Yes I do.. I also don't like how you are acting towards people just because you have orgasms over Burfict..... Every player has their strengths and weakness... like every poster has an opinion...
First I would like to apologize if I am offending you or anyone. My intentions are not to come off that way and I didn't think I was besides a few friendly shots. I would hope think the others are also. If You read my posts I usually state that this is only My Opinion or I respect your opinion, etc...Like you I posted my opinion and I was semi-mocked for it(which is fine) IIf you reference the top of the previous page.
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That's great Cause I do too, that doesn't mean you don't take a game changer though
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He made some bad decisions but 11 officials were let go from his conference after the year for their use of the Personal foul penalty and targeting him. I posted an article explaining some of it and the real reason for shoving the official
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What are you trying to turn this draft forum into ? Ban every one that doesn't agree with you...really immature ...sorta like the guy your pimping..
Once again I apologize but I don't think you read all the posts and if you did you might understand a little more. I believe Mourg brought up the ban if he got picked in the first..go check your facts
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That's good..Personally I'm not a big fan of Keuchly. Not that he's not a player..just preference. It's when my opinion is not respected that I can get a little more sarcastic than I like. I agree no one like having opinions forced down their throats..so there are a few on here that do that quite often.
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Be Careful, thanks for the 411 and Come do mine!LOL
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You probably like a guy like Keuchly..lol Yay!
Yes I do.. I also don't like how you are acting towards people just because you have orgasms over Burfict..... Every player has their strengths and weakness... like every poster has an opinion...
The NFL is not putting up with players like Suh and Harrison... So that puts a damper on the views of Burfict...Do I agree...not always.. I love hard hitting players...
Unfortunately I don't make the rules...But the players have to follow them or they hurt the team when they make immature decisions...
What are you trying to turn this draft forum into ? Ban every one that doesn't agree with you...really immature ...sorta like the guy your pimping..
I think Kuechly will go before Burfict...But i'm not going to bet you a permanent ban he does...Cause that's my opinion... and you have good points on stuff...use it wisely..
and really... you and Mourg should just do a sig bet...you both are quality posters.be a shame one of you have to get banned and come back under a different name....ghosting isn't allowed...
I just got the call..I have to go plow snow...so enjoy
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I would not be surprised if the kid isn't in jail before the draft anyway. He just has lifer written all over him
Say what you will about his draft status or how he projects in the NFL, but as far as I know, Burfict has never been arrested, not even as a juvenile.
And yet you think he has lifer written all over him?
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I look at how he has played in college, and then I look at how the Commissioner has cracked down on dirty players like Harrison and Suh, and I see a guy who could be a 12-14 game/season player at best because of suspensions if he doesn't learn to control himself. Like the old saying goes, it doesn't matter how good you are if you can't get on the field.
I could see him going to a team like Baltimore that has strong on field leadership to keep him in line ...... but he definitely is not an option here. He would run amok on our team, because we don't have the strong, established leaders to keep him in check.
As far as the "bet" ... I don't think that I would bet that he won't go in the 1st ..... but neither would I bet that he will. I could see it going either way, and with the recent crackdowns on dirty play, I would guess that teams will not be as willing to take a chance on a guy who might be a part time player because he can't control himself on the field.
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I wouldn't go that far...
It would not surprise me in the least if Burfict's a BROWN with our 36th pick...
A Badass in the middle moves DQ outside and solidifies our LB's...
Do u guys realize that we STILL get it run down our throat weekly???
And save the STATS...Don't wanna hear it...
We WILL NOT get ahead of Pitt and Baltimore until we can STOP THE RUN...
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I like the idea of a guy like Burfict who has a crazy motor and scares the heck out of other teams. The problem is, sometimes that is caused by a legit personality disorder that means no one can get through to the guy. I'm thinking mainly of Suh. I mean, his explanation after stomping on a guy, driving a car full of girls into a tree .... And I think Harrison is an animal who just wants to hurt people and ultimately hurts his team. Now, Clay Matthews Jr. has as high a motor as anyone I've ever seen, and it doesn't ever cause trouble for him or his team. But I think/fear Burfict is more Suh than Matthews. And by the way, there is nothig wrong at all with a guy like Kuechly.
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I look at how he has played in college, and then I look at how the Commissioner has cracked down on dirty players like Harrison and Suh, and I see a guy who could be a 12-14 game/season player at best because of suspensions if he doesn't learn to control himself. Like the old saying goes, it doesn't matter how good you are if you can't get on the field.
I could see him going to a team like Baltimore that has strong on field leadership to keep him in line ...... but he definitely is not an option here. He would run amok on our team, because we don't have the strong, established leaders to keep him in check.
As far as the "bet" ... I don't think that I would bet that he won't go in the 1st ..... but neither would I bet that he will. I could see it going either way, and with the recent crackdowns on dirty play, I would guess that teams will not be as willing to take a chance on a guy who might be a part time player because he can't control himself on the field.
I think DQ is that man. I believe if he isnt considered it already, he and Haden will be the leaders of this team.
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I could see him going to a team like Baltimore that has strong on field leadership to keep him in line ...... but he definitely is not an option here. He would run amok on our team, because we don't have the strong, established leaders to keep him in check.
I agree, and have said as much in other threads.
I think because of this, he will be taken late in the first round.
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I definitely want to see us with a monster in the middle of our defense. It's what's made Baltimore a defense to fear for many years. I don't know if Burfict can do that, but he looks like he's fueled on adrenaline and that's something we need.
He could be a great player WHEN he matures mentally... might take a few years for that to happen.
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This guy is a headcase,but man would I love to see him in Cleveland.The perfect answer to James Harrison.
Sadly,when we do see him in Cleveland,it won't be as a Brown.His style of play willnot mesh with our Northern Cali white wine spritzer image we/re trying to build here.
yeah, because Sheard never threw a man through a glass door and Taylor was never thrown off a team for fighting 
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I don't get why everyone wants to move D'Qwell Jackson to the outside. You do realize he was one of the top middle linebackers in the league this year, right? We should be more focused on getting a guy to replace Fujita.
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Gocong turned it on when he went to strongside. DQ played well all year. Big hole was was at weakside backer. Kuechly might be the one to drop into the 2nd and would be a great fit at Wil, if you want one later then Danny Trevathon would be the best pick.
RDE, weakside backer and free safety are in need of immediate upgrade.
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Right. What I meant was we have to fill Fujita's linebacker spot. Gocong played extremely well when he moved over to his side. I also think that Maiava played at least average when he was given the chance. So I wouldn't be upset he we started with him, but I think he is best as a backup. I wasn't sure if Kuechly could play outside but I also thought he might be a nice option. Some other guys that interest me, Travis Lewis from Oklahoma. Was one of the best players on their defense in 2010, had a subpar season in 2011 because he played with a broken foot. Sean Spence from Miami. Undersized (listed at only 224 pounds) but he's fast, can cover, and tackle. I've heard others mention Lavonte David. He seems like a pretty good option as he can also cover (he played all downs at Nebraska). He is also undersized (225 pounds).
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I think David would have to be taken with #37. I think we could trade-up into the late 2nd for either Lewis or Spence.
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"if they pick someone they don't want,I'll lose all respect for them"
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No one that doesn't belong to the tin foil hat club can read that and not see what an absurd statement that is.
Bounding up on a soap box and preaching about something alltogether different,doesn't change what you originally said.
Since I've begun using the  it seems as tho a great wieght has been lifted from me.My life has become so free and unfettered,that I've let hair grow and stop wearing underwear,and I have you to thank for that.
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One of the funnier posts I've read in a while, man. Bravo,
Trading down...No, I don't see this regime as having a yellow streak in them. They have one unified goal in mind, which is to make this team better. It's impossible to accept the idea that they'd cow down to the PSL owners because it doesn't make organizational or rational sense. Teams sell more tickets when they are good. Any fans who ditch on the franchise are going to do so because the team stinks, not because the organization passed on a receiver and dropped down in the draft.
Unlike in years past, I'm having a hard time finding a scenario that really fits us going backwards in the draft. If a trade is going to happen in front of us, it'll be for Griffin. If Griffin slides to us, he'd be awfully damned hard to pass up. If he's gone, it'd be awfully damned hard to pass up the one WR who is just slightly below Green and Jones out of last year's draft, but is never-the-less expected to be a great receiver. Of course I'm talking about Blackmon. He plays bigger than his size, which isn't quite as great as the elite guys. However, I was very sweet on Crabtree, who was also not possessing elite size and pure speed, but he's evolving into a very good receiver. If the Niners and Alex Smith threw as much as the rest of the league, Crab's would be a 1000-yard guy. Blackmon is more about strength and power compared to Crab's quickness, but he's got all the tools to be a great one, and we need that in the worst way. I've got some concerns with Floyd to want to trade down and get him as a plan-B.
If I knew I could get someone like Richardson further down the top-10, I'd think about it. He's that good and that safe, and since Hillis and Hardesty can't stay on the field, Trent becomes a possibility.
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Manziel, see Josh Gordon. Dumbass.***
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We'd be making a HUGE mistake trading down this year...
U want a PLAYMAKER???...U ain't gettin' em' after pick 6 this year...There's a much bigger drop after the top 6 this year than in years past...
This is gonna end up being pretty consensus concerning the top 6 talent this year...
In any order u wanna put em'...It's gonna be...
Luck
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Richardson
RGIII
Claiborne
Blackmon
Now that Fisher's in St. Louey...U can pretty much bank that one of 3 things goes on at 2...And it won't be WR/QB/RB driven...
Kalil
Claiborne
Trade down for whoever wants RGIII
IF we do trade down past 6 we're flat out stupid...Just look at what we'd be looking at even if we only went as low as 7...
Dre Kirkpatrick
Quinton Coples
*Riley Reiff
*David DeCastro
NONE of these guys r what u'd consider PLAYMAKERS...And quite frankly NONE r worth even Top 10 picks...Including Kirkpatrick...But u would think that due to his size...Kirkpatrick would be the pick at 7...
That's a very under-whelming next 4...And WAY too damn high for a Jeffrey or Floyd...And I don't even wanna hear the NAME Tannehill...If QB's didn't carry such high value he'd be a 2nd or 3rd rounder based on his lack of experience and those mechanics he's got...And Holmgren KNOWS he doesn't have the damn TIME to be screwin' around with PROSPECTS at QB...
STAY at 4...Take RGIII/Claiborne/Blackmon...And IF we see Franchise QB in RGIII???...Go up to 2 and get em' if we need to...
DO NOT MOVE DOWN IN THIS DRAFT...
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Martin is the guy that could jump into that top group. I have him rated right there with Kalil, in fact if I was in need of a LT, I would go Martin first. Which helps our chances of someone willing to sell their soul for a LT. I think Richardson is going to fall unless we take him.
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If Martin is drafted in the top 20, someone reached. He is a right tackle or guard.
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Surprised to hear you say that. Most of what I've seen about Martin is he's really athletic but not overly strong or physical. The couple times I caught Stanford this year I was watching the QB, so I can't comment on him from my own POV
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People laughed when I said I wouldnt take Robert GAllery in the first round.
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I didn't laugh at you Mourg. but then again some think I am crazy for thinking Burfict is a first rounder!lol I figured out the perfect solution anyone care to hear it? 
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Why I essentially watched each Stanford game twice.
Martin is not overly strong or physical which makes his lack of elite athleticism a problem. He's approximately 6'5", 305 pounds and is not nearly quick enough to compensate for his small size. To be honest, I wouldn't touch him in the first round unless he was playing guard.
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Whats your plan? lol
It is funny on Burfict, I actually think the Browns are one of the few teams that could draft him but I still no way see anyone taking him in the first. The fact Dennis Erickson failed to get through to him, just really kills that chance.
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Why I essentially watched each Stanford game twice.
Martin is not overly strong or physical which makes his lack of elite athleticism a problem. He's approximately 6'5", 305 pounds and is not nearly quick enough to compensate for his small size. To be honest, I wouldn't touch him in the first round unless he was playing guard.
Really disagree, couple reasons:
1.) I don't think he will end up measuring that small, it could hurt his stock if he does - but usually tackle prospects bulk up a little bit for the combine, and I'd see him measuring more in the 6'6" 315 region. It will hurt his stock a bit if he's anywhere below the numbers you mentioned (his arm length will also be a factor).
2.) I don't see a lack of athleticism - his footwork is actually very good, though he does let him get beat outside quite a bit.
3.) He's a very good run blocker, and a very solid prospect on the Right side. Those sort of people still go in the 10-15 range (think Jammal Brown). I've made the argument on this board way too many times already, but I don't think the value of an RT is much less than an LT anymore.
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Whats your plan? lol
It is funny on Burfict, I actually think the Browns are one of the few teams that could draft him but I still no way see anyone taking him in the first. The fact Dennis Erickson failed to get through to him, just really kills that chance.
I hope we do! It's ok if he does Mourg, I won't hold you to it. Too many people on here Like you and what you write so I don't want to punish them too. I don't get it either! haha
My solution is pointless now.. I will have a new one shortly I'm sure.
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I say if Blackmon is gone at pick 4 the Browns should dangle their first pick to Miami and let them leap frog over Washington. Hopefully Richardson is still around pick 9.
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If anybody wants to move up to #4 to get RG3 then they better be ready to give up next years #1... I don't care if they're moving up from 5 to 4... You want this franchise QB? Be ready to pay the price... IMO.
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Or if Blackmon is there and it is determined that he is not worth the 4th overall pick.
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I think the pricetag is going to go up for these top picks as more and more teams will be willing to trade up due to the new salary structure. All you need is one team to close a deal, two teams to create a bidding competition and 3 or more bidding for a spot is a frenzy.
Last year no one knew what the salary structure was going to be for rookies, so teams were a bit more reluctant to trade up or down on draft day. I think this year, we are going to see more trades than anyone ever imagined. Realistically, I could see 4 trades in the first 4 picks lol.
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I'll also add with the thought of who's "worth" what pick...
If you're at a specific spot, but the guy you want doesn't grade there, maybe 5-10 picks back, Years ago you either took someone who grades better, or tried to trade back...
Now? You could see a lot more "reaching" for players, If we're at 4, but say Blackmon only grades out at 9 or whatever, but you REALLY want Blackmon?
You take him. A top ten pick is a top ten pick, and the money isn't that much of a problem anymore.
(Blackmon was just an example)
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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Quote:
I could see 4 trades in the first 4 picks lol.
Indy Trades to Cleveland - Cle picks Luck
Stl Trades to Washington - Wash picks RG3
Minny Trades to Stl - Stl picks Blackmon
Indy picks Kalil
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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technically, that's only 3 trades. 
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