For some reason, let's say we somehow decide that we want to go DE with our first pick (either at 4 or trade down a few spots). Who would you like to get here?? Coples, I think is a joke, haven’t been impressed with him all year. Who do you think is going to step it up at either the Senior Bowl and/or combine??
I'm pretty sure Von Miller was a top five pick all along.
Pierre-Paul was taken 15th overall.
But yes, I think the Perry can make a pretty big jump once teams get a closer look at him. If he can put some weight on and maintain his speed and athleticism he will shoot up teams boards.
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I just watched way more of a Western Kentucky vs Troy game than I will ever watch the rest of my life..lol ehh,
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
I'd be interested to see if either Ingram or Mercilus step up to make that jump. Ingram is pretty nasty and maybe Mercilus can step it up and prove that he is not just a one year wonder at the combine.
I know just about nothing about scouting and talent evaluation. All I do is come here and then sites like Drafttek and Walters etc... to look at what they have to say about all the prospects.
All that said, why does EVERY site have Coples as the best DE and everybody at DawgTalk seems to think he's not all that? I mean NObody has anything positive to say about the guy. Is it just how high everyone has him slotted to go?
Couples was just overhyped. He has the potential to be something but I wouldnt take him in the first. He is a bit stiff, sluggish and lazy. Most of these sites just copy and or regurgitate the same stuff. He is just still riding his preseason hype. He will probably go in the first but it will be to a team needing a 3-4 DE.
Quote: Couples was just overhyped. He has the potential to be something but I wouldnt take him in the first. He is a bit stiff, sluggish and lazy. Most of these sites just copy and or regurgitate the same stuff. He is just still riding his preseason hype. He will probably go in the first but it will be to a team needing a 3-4 DE.
I agree 100% Mourg and say the same thing..My board looks totally different. He's definately not even on my top 10 but neither is Griffin. I can't stand the hype machine..like the one for Quinn. It was priceless watching Mel. He looked like he wanted to start jumping up and down screaming don't you know who I am..They are tools and most of these sights just go on that. I can't stand Mel or Todd I wish they would go away.
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
Quote: I know just about nothing about scouting and talent evaluation. All I do is come here and then sites like Drafttek and Walters etc... to look at what they have to say about all the prospects.
All that said, why does EVERY site have Coples as the best DE and everybody at DawgTalk seems to think he's not all that? I mean NObody has anything positive to say about the guy. Is it just how high everyone has him slotted to go?
Those sights are cool for the information. Such as FA and such, but there hasn't been a free draft sight with real pro scouts since my old buddies Craig Stevens "All Pro scouting" (no longer running the sight).
Go back and look at passed years evaluations and you will find that these sights are really no better then what you will get with most Draftniks here or anywhere else.
Another words I don't put much stock in those sights.
Personally I don't see what all the hype is over Coples. He hasn't lived up to expectations imo.
He has an elite body (sounds kind of what my wife says about me) and he was the best returning DE last year.
Looks lazy though to me and does not have an all out every down motor.
I can't think of a worse position for him than 34DE though. You have to be willing to eat blocks and free LBers to make plays. This guy will not be doing that.
Quote: He has an elite body (sounds kind of what my wife says about me) and he was the best returning DE last year.
Looks lazy though to me and does not have an all out every down motor.
I can't think of a worse position for him than 34DE though. You have to be willing to eat blocks and free LBers to make plays. This guy will not be doing that.
I agree, he doesn't play with any suddenness and he just appeared to be playing to not get hurt. There are a few DL who will be ascending up the draft boards in the next couple of months.
I feel like he got hyped last offseason because North Carolina had so much talent. He was surrounded by Robert Quinn (2010 First rounder) Bruce Carter (2nd rounder) Marvin Austin (2nd) Danoriss Searcy (4th) Quan Sturtivant (4th) ... and those were just the defensive players drafted from 2011 from North Carolina...
I think when they all left and he became one of the top guys - he just couldn't step up. Probably a lot more double teams and etc. but I only saw 1 or 2 full north carolina games this year.
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I read something in another thread about Coples. If I remember right the gist was that at some point this season he was asked to move back to DT and refused I believe, per the post, that it had something to do with percieved draft position.If that is true then I would question his ability to be a team player and would probably steer clear.
Quote: I read something in another thread about Coples. If I remember right the gist was that at some point this season he was asked to move back to DT and refused I believe, per the post, that it had something to do with percieved draft position.If that is true then I would question his ability to be a team player and would probably steer clear.
I can't comment on that situation, but talent aside ... He is not the type of player that I would like to see our team draft.
Quote: I can't think of a worse position for him than 34DE though. You have to be willing to eat blocks and free LBers to make plays. This guy will not be doing that.
Not in every scheme. Pittsburgh's, Dallas's and Houston's defensive schemes are perfect for Coples.
Our First target for DE should be Mario Williams. Make him the highest paid defensive end in the history of football. Get him in here and i would be very much in favor of Claiborne at 1a.
Man..Now that is a DE! You know I have been pimping him HotB! If We had Curry on the other side and dare I say Burfict in the middle I think we would be Very Good!
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
Quote: Our First target for DE should be Mario Williams. Make him the highest paid defensive end in the history of football. Get him in here and i would be very much in favor of Claiborne at 1a.
and continue to lose games 9 to 6.
... In this case I think the best defensive move we could make would be to improve the offense.
Unless we do break the bank for Mario Williams or sign a "B" level RDE in FA, then I expect Mercilus to be the pick at 22.
IMO...The top 4 positions in order of importance is QB, LT, RDE, CB. We have the LT locked in. We have no RDE. This year 22 will get you one of the best. Mercilus was the best this past season.
Quote: Unless we do break the bank for Mario Williams or sign a "B" level RDE in FA, then I expect Mercilus to be the pick at 22.
IMO...The top 4 positions in order of importance is QB, LT, RDE, CB. We have the LT locked in. We have no RDE. This year 22 will get you one of the best. Mercilus was the best this past season.
Not sure how you didn't mention a #1 Receiver on that list?
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
He was talking about needs as a franchise, not this franchise currently. For example, every team needs a QB, LT, CB, and RDE. The Browns need a WR, RT, and RDE.
Quote: I'll be ready with sledgehammer in hand to break anything needed to get Mario Williams here...
After watching the Texans defense today I don't see how they justify re-signing Mario Williams to a huge contract. J.J. Watt, Brooks Reed, and Connor Barwin are all beasts.
I could see them using the franchise tag on him. Do they have any other big time free agents they need to re-sign?
That's right. Relative importance for a franchise. QB, LT, RDE, CB are the four most important positions to have filled for lasting success in the NFL. WR is not at the bottom but it's not too far off.
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