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Tannehill, on the other hand, seems to be the prototype the FO would be looking for if they are indeed looking to shuffle Colt off to the bench. Assuming that to be the case the question then becomes where will he be taken? Can we reasonably expect him to be there with our 2nd first round pick? If not, how far up would we have to move to safely snare him?
I checked a half dozen mock draft sites and Tannehill is going anywhere from 9th to the top of the 2nd round. I guess this is why it's wise to wait until FA is well under way to be hazarding a guess as to what will actually happen.
I think the Cowboys take Tannehill at 14 if the Browns don't get him first.
Like those dudes on american pickers said, the time to buy a good antique is when you see it. The time to draft a Qb is when you see him. Either at 4, or a trade down still in the top 10 picks.
A hope would be the Browns trade down 4 or 5 spots and only would need to get a 2nd rounder say #40, they can use that pick to get Alameda Ta'amu,( Cause you can never have enough plug stopping defensive tackles). And they can get LaMichael James at 37, ...3rd round Joe Adams, Wr ark, had good production and bowl games, an OT in the 4th, if Mosley falls he fits the mold. It could be a really great draft.
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I think you are correct about the Cowboys. Romo is losing his luster and the boys need to get someone in place.
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I think you are correct about the Cowboys. Romo is losing his luster and the boys need to get someone in place.
It's been mentioned before, but it wouldn't totally shock me to see Dallas try to trade up to draft RGIII. Jerry Jones' need for attention and the spotlight might drive him to do it.
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I think you are correct about the Cowboys. Romo is losing his luster and the boys need to get someone in place.
It's been mentioned before, but it wouldn't totally shock me to see Dallas try to trade up to draft RGIII. Jerry Jones' need for attention and the spotlight might drive him to do it.
Wouldn't it be something if RG3 was sitting there at 4 and Jones came in and offered a boat load of picks to grab that pick?
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Could you explain Romo losing his luster?
A quick search turned up a 102 QB rating this season. 2nd highest qb rating all time. Surprised me. So whats going on?
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I think you are correct about the Cowboys. Romo is losing his luster and the boys need to get someone in place.
It's been mentioned before, but it wouldn't totally shock me to see Dallas try to trade up to draft RGIII. Jerry Jones' need for attention and the spotlight might drive him to do it.
Wouldn't it be something if RG3 was sitting there at 4 and Jones came in and offered a boat load of picks to grab that pick?
...... and we turned him down and Griffin turned out to be a Cleveland Browns Hall of fame QB?
Now that would really be something. 
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I think you are correct about the Cowboys. Romo is losing his luster and the boys need to get someone in place.
It's been mentioned before, but it wouldn't totally shock me to see Dallas try to trade up to draft RGIII. Jerry Jones' need for attention and the spotlight might drive him to do it.
Wouldn't it be something if RG3 was sitting there at 4 and Jones came in and offered a boat load of picks to grab that pick?
...... and we turned him down and Griffin turned out to be a Cleveland Browns Hall of fame QB?
Now that would really be something.
LOL,, I could live with that....
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I read the article and I've perused this thread but I haven't read it extensively. I'm just going to chime in that if RG3 is there at #4... you take him. I totally get all the points that have been made about him fitting in a WCO, about the team not being so flexible to accommodate his core skills etc etc. All that aside he is a gamble that if I had it to roll I'd do. Look, they're all a gamble. But he grades out so high (in my wee little amateur opinion) that I think he's a one of the few true big time game changers in this draft. Moving up to get him is painful and dicey but if it's not too painful and dicey, again I say do it. My $.02
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Could you explain Romo losing his luster?
A quick search turned up a 102 QB rating this season. 2nd highest qb rating all time. Surprised me. So whats going on?
Jerry Jones recently came out and when asked what the biggest difference was between The Boys and The Giants said Eli Manning.
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Despite the respectable QB Rating, and despite Colin Cowherd's man crush, what does Romo actually do when it counts? The Cowboys underachive continually, and Romo comes up flat in big games.
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Despite the respectable QB Rating, and despite Colin Cowherd's man crush, what does Romo actually do when it counts? The Cowboys underachive continually, and Romo comes up flat in big games.
I would take Romo in a heartbeat.
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Despite the respectable QB Rating, and despite Colin Cowherd's man crush, what does Romo actually do when it counts? The Cowboys underachive continually, and Romo comes up flat in big games.
I would take Romo in a heartbeat.
I agree too but that's based on what we have now (or don't have). But we're not talking about Romo being good or very good, he is. Unfortunately for him and the Cowboys, he shrinks in the 4th and becomes a non-factor (at least that's the knock on him). Well, I've seen him play well at times late.....but it's hard to compare him to Eli right now. For crying out loud, Eli set the NFL record for TD passes in the 4th quarter this season.....using that as a benchmark, OF COURSE you won't measure up.
I never thought Eli would be what is is today. He really looked lost his first few years. And if you think about it, he never really found "it" until they went on that run late in the 2007 season. And no, this isn't a hidden attempt to prove out that we need to give McCoy more time. (though I wouln't be opposed to him staying one more year as the #1 - assuming we build the O-line and give him 1 vet WR and 1 stud rookie WR).
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Despite the respectable QB Rating, and despite Colin Cowherd's man crush, what does Romo actually do when it counts? The Cowboys underachive continually, and Romo comes up flat in big games.
while this has been true in past years, this season it was not him folding in the clutch. he played his best season ever, but their defense gave up 4 10pt 4th quarter leads (more than in this history of the Dallas Cowboys).
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Wouldn't it be something if RG3 was sitting there at 4 and Jones came in and offered a boat load of picks to grab that pick?
That would be Great!! 
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Wouldn't it be something if RG3 was sitting there at 4 and Jones came in and offered a boat load of picks to grab that pick?
That would be Great!!
That would definitely be great... I'd love to turn down Jerry Jones as we take our franchise QB. 
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Wouldn't it be something if RG3 was sitting there at 4 and Jones came in and offered a boat load of picks to grab that pick?
That would be Great!!
That would definitely be great... I'd love to turn down Jerry Jones as we take our franchise QB.
You want Romo included?  Even if they don't include Romo that would be great to turn the tables on ol Jerry for the Quinn debacle. It would be his turn to take a QB in Griffin only to have him be a third stringer in a couple years..
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A guy that I cannot find a scouting report on is Darren Thomas Oregon. I would be interested in what people have to say about him. I only saw parts of the Oregon-USC and Oregon -Stanford games. And I wasn't in scouting mode. He seems to have good passing stats. What round is he projected? How does he compare to RGIII? Both seem like guys who can sling the ball and create with their legs only Thomas is a fair bit bigger. What makes RGIII such the better prospect?
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I don't know an entire lot about him.. I just know that when he said he was coming out.. a lot of people on here said he was definitely not ready for the NFL. Other than that. Idk.
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Wow.
Let me review that tape as, ah....as some on here would view it if it were colt.
First, he made some good throws. No doubt. It was, after all, a "vote for me for the heisman" video.
He appears to be a good runner.
He jumps out of the pocket way too quick.
He has a "hitch" in his wind up a lot of times, throws off his back foot too much.
He hits wide open receivers decent. When they're wide open.
He takes a lot of hits.
For a "vote for me for heisman" video - why'd they show, early on, him totally missing receivers? I.e. receivers that had to totally adjust, and some even had to fall down, to catch the ball.
I saw him take off out of the pocket very quickly - seldom did he step up into the pocket. He seems to be a runner that can throw.
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... or a trade down still in the top 10 picks...
I like this thought. I would prefer to see the Browns drop down a bit lower and gain some additional 1st, 2nd, or 3rd round picks. 
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I just want to lay this one to bed. Can we all now agree that Steve Weiss is now thrown out the door as a credible Source for reliable info. He had his moment in the sun(which is what I think his intentions were). I was suspended for posting Rumors from not acceptable sites that turned out to be true, but as I stated to the ref that this would also be considered a rumor which it turned out to be. I would like to remove Steve Weiss from being allowed in the future to be cited as acceptable source. 
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well, he didn't say the trade was guaranteed, but that the Browns had the most ammo and wanted RGIII. according to all reports we have today, both of those are still true (we just weren't willing to give up as much of our ammo as Washington was willing to do)
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Yeah, I don't see what wasn't true about what he wrote.
If a writer says that Team A will offer a player X dollars, they do, but the player signs elsewhere, that doesn't invalidate the fact that the offer was made.
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well, he didn't say the trade was guaranteed, but that the Browns had the most ammo and wanted RGIII. according to all reports we have today, both of those are still true (we just weren't willing to give up as much of our ammo as Washington was willing to do)
The title of the Article is, "league sources have us going Griffin". I think that means that league sources and him were wrong. I don't doubt we called the Rams to see what was going on, but I have serious doubt about what was reportedly offered.
-I don't think this Coaching staff or Front Office was/is "in love" with Griffin. I think they were scratching their collective heads on him, how he projects, and how to use him. They had reservations and the most I seen come out of them was that he was a terrific athlete and a good kid. Not a ringing endorsement for a QB, especially when they talk about Tannenhill and his "upside" and Weedon and his "Smarts". One Legitimate concern they might have had would be how to keep this kid in the pocket going against the pressure D's he will face in this division and get into a habit of Panicking and running and end result a lot of injuries.
-To me there is only one team that was "in love" with Griffin and the Media. That team was the Redskins who are the worst Poker players ever. The difference is they came out and praised him and let it be known their intentions. I saw nothing about the Brown's or Holmgren that gave me that feeling.
-I believe what cemented the fact is the Hiring of Brad Childress. The front office was very Neutral about McCoy and the QB position after the season. I think they all watched film and had their own ideas about him and going forward and the best way to build this team. They Hired Childress and are relying heavily on his input and after he watched film and they decided in which direction they were going to go, they started throwing more support behind McCoy and stating once again that we need to catch the balls better and protect better and they can win with McCoy. Heckert preceded to say any talk of what we were offering was "Crazy" talk when in fact he did not need to say that and chose to pump up his current Starter instead. I seen it reported that Childress and McCoy have been in Contact and developing a relationship.
-Most was considered a Smokescreen but this front office has done what they have said. They said they are looking for a Vet. WR in free agency. I would not be shocked to see them dole out some serious ching for Colston. They said they need to draft Playmakers in this draft and asked jokingly if anyone would care if we drafted defense. I think it is Claiborne or Richardson at 4. If they see an impact player falling they will trade up to get him as they have done in the past.
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-I believe what cemented the fact is the Hiring of Brad Childress. The front office was very Neutral about McCoy and the QB position after the season. I think they all watched film and had their own ideas about him and going forward and the best way to build this team. They Hired Childress and are relying heavily on his input and after he watched film and they decided in which direction they were going to go, they started throwing more support behind McCoy
Wait. Lemme get this straight.
You're saying that you don't believe the Browns had interest in Griffin, even though there isn't one report saying that. That puts you in a decisive minority.
Changing directions, you're a firm believer that the three biggest people in the organization in the current residing king of the WCO, Mike Holmgren, and current and successful GM of the Browns, Tom Heckert, and the current head coach and offensive coordinator of the Browns, Pat Shurmur, are going to wait on Brad Childress to come to the organization so that they can "rely heavily" on his input as to whether or not McCoy is a viable QB?
Really?
REALLY!?!?!?!
We're screwed. We are so utterly and hopelessly lost as an organization...
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That team was the Redskins who are the worst Poker players ever.
When one of the assistant coaches says plan A is manning, plan B is Griffin and Plan C is tannehill, not a whole lot of bluff left lmao. Redskins can't handle noone talking about them.
Dollphins owner is the same way. They kept hinting and hinting and hinting that they were going after Manning, Griffin, Flynn and Tannehill lol
Browns havent exactly been to secretive either to be honest. Not going after manning, hinting that they werent going after flynn , Saying that there was 4 QBs they really liked with Luck Griffin, Tannehill and Weeden.
So not a whole lot of secrets in this draft thus far.
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The Browns definitely had some interest in Griffin, maybe even a lot of it.
But the bottom line is, giving up what Washington gives up, gets guys fired.
For every Eli Manning trade, there are many others that blow up in the organization's face.
The laugher would have been that they did it for not even the highest rated QB in the draft. I'm not saying Griffin won't pan out, because I think he has an excellent chance to be good, but that is a risky move if you are in the Browns position.
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Wait, Mourg, you don't have named sources. You can't prove that.
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I was trying to think has any mega trade like this worked out for both teams besides the Manning/Rivers trade? Taylor Sheard Little for Juilio doesnt have any complaints from either side thus far.
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Taylor Sheard Little for Juilio doesnt have any complaints from either side thus far.
Sheard was with our pick, We got Taylor, Little, Meracic and ATL 4th rounder this year for Juilio.
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-I believe what cemented the fact is the Hiring of Brad Childress. The front office was very Neutral about McCoy and the QB position after the season. I think they all watched film and had their own ideas about him and going forward and the best way to build this team. They Hired Childress and are relying heavily on his input and after he watched film and they decided in which direction they were going to go, they started throwing more support behind McCoy
Wait. Lemme get this straight.
You're saying that you don't believe the Browns had interest in Griffin, even though there isn't one report saying that. That puts you in a decisive minority.
Changing directions, you're a firm believer that the three biggest people in the organization in the current residing king of the WCO, Mike Holmgren, and current and successful GM of the Browns, Tom Heckert, and the current head coach and offensive coordinator of the Browns, Pat Shurmur, are going to wait on Brad Childress to come to the organization so that they can "rely heavily" on his input as to whether or not McCoy is a viable QB?
Really?
REALLY!?!?!?!
We're screwed. We are so utterly and hopelessly lost as an organization...
Don't put word's in my mouth Toad. I didn't say they weren't interested, because No one knows about McCoy or what their plans are for a QB. Would you agree that any team that is in our situation would view every option out there and weigh it against each other to see what route you want to go? Maybe if I say that "league sources" reported this it would be acceptable to some. Seems to be the going trend now.
As far as Childress goes, I said the exact same thing as you when we hired him and reports came out that he would have valuable input on the Draft and team. This is his baby now and I forget where I read it, that in fact they were waiting on his evaluations and will lean on him for advice.
My guess is He saw bad route running, bad Catching, No running game, poor blocking, and some questionable play calling and concluded the same as Heckert and Holmgren and many of us on here that it is hard to evaluate that position given those conditions and the uncontrollable ones in an offense that People far more knowledgeable than us say takes three years to "get it".
He can look to Sam Bradford to confirm the Myth that a QB can do it alone and raises the talent of the guys around him and My guess is both the Brown's and Rams will be better teams over the next Decade than Washington will and would be a great story and amusing to see a Browns vs Rams Super Bowl givin their circumstances right now and that the Rams originate from here.
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The Browns definitely had some interest in Griffin, maybe even a lot of it.
But the bottom line is, giving up what Washington gives up, gets guys fired.
For every Eli Manning trade, there are many others that blow up in the organization's face.
The laugher would have been that they did it for not even the highest rated QB in the draft. I'm not saying Griffin won't pan out, because I think he has an excellent chance to be good, but that is a risky move if you are in the Browns position.
However, if you are stuck in "middlin' land", you often have to take a chance to get that great QB to make your "eh" team into a playoff and Super Bowl contender.
It is very rare that there are 2 guys considered to be as close to sure fire franchise QBs as possible in the same draft. It is rarer still that a team in position to draft such a QB is willing to trade their pick.
People say stuff like "We'll just get Barkley next year". Well ..... what if Jacksonville, for example, goes 1-15 with Gabbert at the helm. Does anyone think that they would trade away a Matt Barkley, no matter what the bounty? Not a chance. (and I'm not even that crazy about Barkley)
What if Barkley blows out his shoulder in the final game of the season? What if his prognosis is questionable?
There always seems to be that one guy who sits alone at the top of a draft as a QB. Then there are usually other guys who are "guys". They might be good, they might flop miserably. They have ability, but they also have huge question marks. It is rare that there are 2 guys available in a single draft without a lot of question marks. (beyond the ones that every college player faces coming into the NFL) It is even rarer that a team at the top of a draft, in position to draft a franchise guy, is also in position to pass on such a guy.
It happened this year. I don't see it happening again for quite some time. Now our best hope is that we get lucky with a lesser QB candidate, and find that rare guy like a Ben Roethlisberger later in a draft. We aren't finding a Joe Montana or a Tom Brady, so people can throw that one out right now. The reason they are brought up alone is because they are singular examples, and Montana was from a different era altogether. People might as well say that we should scour the grocery store checkout lines for a Kurt Warner, or pin our hopes on an UDFA like a Tony Romo. Those guys are out there ...... but they are so rare that they are statistically insignificant.
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We should just do what the Chargers did with Brees and draft our franchise QB late in the first round.
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However, since you can no longer pick 32nd overall in the 2nd round anymore, we would have to go with the 32nd overall pick in the 1st. 
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We should just do what the Chargers did with Brees and draft our franchise QB late in the first round.
no, they waited until the 2nd round for Brees.
They did!?!?!
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Most QBs who are winning Super Bowls right now are 1st round picks. That's not even disputable. Manning, Manning, Roethlisberger, Brees (who was a 32nd pick, and would be a 1st round in a modern draft)
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I know, but I don't agree with that logic either. the superbowl defending champs would have almost certainly skipped picking up a QB. for instance, i don't think the Giants will select Tannehill if he drops to them.
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The Browns definitely had some interest in Griffin, maybe even a lot of it.
But the bottom line is, giving up what Washington gives up, gets guys fired.
For every Eli Manning trade, there are many others that blow up in the organization's face.
The laugher would have been that they did it for not even the highest rated QB in the draft. I'm not saying Griffin won't pan out, because I think he has an excellent chance to be good, but that is a risky move if you are in the Browns position.
However, if you are stuck in "middlin' land", you often have to take a chance to get that great QB to make your "eh" team into a playoff and Super Bowl contender.
It is very rare that there are 2 guys considered to be as close to sure fire franchise QBs as possible in the same draft. It is rarer still that a team in position to draft such a QB is willing to trade their pick.
People say stuff like "We'll just get Barkley next year". Well ..... what if Jacksonville, for example, goes 1-15 with Gabbert at the helm. Does anyone think that they would trade away a Matt Barkley, no matter what the bounty? Not a chance. (and I'm not even that crazy about Barkley)
What if Barkley blows out his shoulder in the final game of the season? What if his prognosis is questionable?
There always seems to be that one guy who sits alone at the top of a draft as a QB. Then there are usually other guys who are "guys". They might be good, they might flop miserably. They have ability, but they also have huge question marks. It is rare that there are 2 guys available in a single draft without a lot of question marks. (beyond the ones that every college player faces coming into the NFL) It is even rarer that a team at the top of a draft, in position to draft a franchise guy, is also in position to pass on such a guy.
It happened this year. I don't see it happening again for quite some time. Now our best hope is that we get lucky with a lesser QB candidate, and find that rare guy like a Ben Roethlisberger later in a draft. We aren't finding a Joe Montana or a Tom Brady, so people can throw that one out right now. The reason they are brought up alone is because they are singular examples, and Montana was from a different era altogether. People might as well say that we should scour the grocery store checkout lines for a Kurt Warner, or pin our hopes on an UDFA like a Tony Romo. Those guys are out there ...... but they are so rare that they are statistically insignificant.
I agree. The way QB's are treated now (esp after last April's ridiculousness in round 1) you probably will end up extremely lucky to find a gem late.
I'm OK with the Browns not doing the RG3 deal, because I didn't think it was worth it (not to mention, who knows if the Browns offer what they have, that Snyder doesn't put forth even MORE?)
I think the time will come soon that the Browns do something at QB assuming Colt doesn't morph into a great player. I'm leaning towards being OK with grabbing Tannehill at anywhere but 4. I don't know how I feel about Flynn. I re-watched some of his plays against the Lions in that game, and while his numbers were incredible, a lot of those throws turned into huge plays because of Detroit's abysmal attempt at playing defense. I'm not trying to downplay the guy, but I don't know if he would really be that much better than Colt, with Colt's WR's and against BAL and PIT defenses a quarter of the season.
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Don't put word's in my mouth Toad.
I didn't think I was. I thought you said the Browns were going to rely heavily on Childress's expertise, and that because of his expertise they decided to back McCoy instead of riding the fence. I then stated that such thinking means the top-3 minds in the organization weren't sure what to do, but that a new guy who hasn't watched McCoy play hardly at all would sway their opinions. BUT, I'll defer that opinion until I read the rest of what you're saying.
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I didn't say they weren't interested, because No one knows about McCoy or what their plans are for a QB.
Yes, we absolutely do know what their plans were for McCoy: Backup QB. We tried to move up to get Griffin. The price can be debated, but not the effort.
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Would you agree that any team that is in our situation would view every option out there and weigh it against each other to see what route you want to go?
Absolutely. My point is that they already knew what they wanted to do with McCoy, which was to replace him. Now I know you're not inclined to give any credence to all the reports which state we tried to move up. We are going to differ on that viewpoint because there's not been one single report from anyone anywhere within or near the organization that denied they went after Griffin.
If you believe in your guy and were wrongly linked to a trade-up scenario, there is no other recourse but to call those reports lies so that you save your current QB's psyche. To this point, Heckert hasn't denied anything, and it'd be idiotic of him to not say anything if it weren't true.
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As far as Childress goes, I said the exact same thing as you when we hired him and reports came out that he would have valuable input on the Draft and team. This is his baby now and I forget where I read it, that in fact they were waiting on his evaluations and will lean on him for advice.
It's a fine line to draw, but what you're saying is much different than simply using Childress' input. You're stating that the top-3 dawgs in the organization were on the fence about McCoy, but that once on board, Childress convinced them to back him.
I refuse to believe that, because it implies our top-3 guys are incapable of making a decision about the most important position on the field.
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My guess is He saw bad route running, bad Catching, No running game, poor blocking, and some questionable play calling and concluded the same as Heckert and Holmgren and many of us on here that it is hard to evaluate that position given those conditions and the uncontrollable ones in an offense that People far more knowledgeable than us say takes three years to "get it".
I couldn't agree more that such things make it harder to evaluate McCoy, but again, you're flat-out stating our #4 guy, who was just brought in weeks ago, would have as much decision making ability as the three guys ahead of him. I cannot agree with that, and in fact, I shudder at the very prospect that an outsider who just got here has that much authority.
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He can look to Sam Bradford to confirm the Myth that a QB can do it alone and raises the talent of the guys around him and My guess is both the Brown's and Rams will be better teams over the next Decade than Washington will and would be a great story and amusing to see a Browns vs Rams Super Bowl givin their circumstances right now and that the Rams originate from here.
Well, now you're going down a different road. There are a few QB's in this league that can do that, but most cannot. I don't disagree with the premise of the idea, but again, you're stating that Childress is coming in here with all this power.
Holmgren and Heckert are running this show. It's their structure, and their decisions. Will they ask the opinions of Shurmur and Childress? I'd imagine so, but will those opinions sway the decisions of H&H? No way.
So really, Loyal, I don't think I put words into your mouth. I think I was asking for clarification, albeit in an incredulous and sarcastic way. It seems to me that you've just confirmed your thoughts, which are as follows:
1) H&H weren't going after Griffin.
2) H&H weren't sure what to do with McCoy.
3) H&H had their opinion on McCoy changed by Childress.
4) H&H will rely very strongly on Childress' input as it pertains to critical decisions in free agency and the draft.
If those interpretations are wrong, it's clear I'm still not getting it.
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That is my point as well. I was just poking fun at YTown's crappy argument.
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