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Victor Martinez is out the year. I always liked him, but what makes our enemies weaker makes us stronger. He and Peralta (that hurts) were big factors in their middle of the order strength (with the addition of the obvious one too). http://espn.go.com/mlb/story/_/id/747215...-ending-surgery
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Doesn't really matter. The Yanks, with our two new pitchers, are gonna come in and mop up this year anyway
With the pitching staff we had last year, I was surprised at how well we did. Now, we've got four legitimate pitchers and some candidates fighting for that fifth spot. Yanks should be able to compete in the playoffs and do some work. Losing Montero is not that big of a deal because in the end, he's really just a DH. We have plenty of hitters on the team, we needed pitching, so we gottem. With A-Rod and Jeter, we really need to be able to rest those guys and use the DH spot on them. Nunez can play either position, so he'll be able to come in and play the field when they switch off DHing. We have other DH possibilities also.
The only position that could really be upgraded on the Yankees roster is the right field positions with Nick Swisher. He's just not clutch in the post season, and with Texiera and A-Rod having post-season hitting issues as well, I'd like another clutch guy in the post season. So I'd like a new right fielder, but, for now I can deal with Swish. He brings character to the team and he's not bad in the field
(Sorry to derail your AL Central theme, but i've been waiting for someone to mention baseball so I could gloat about getting our two new pitchers)
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whatever. if the Yankees win, then well what's the big deal? they should win and frankly it's a failure by their FO if they don't considering they have by far the highest payroll, never lose their best prospects (unless it's to acquire a star), and can go steal everyone else's.
now, if the Rays or Indians or other teams win by out-smarting those teams. that's something.
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whatever. if the Yankees win, then well what's the big deal? they should win and frankly it's a failure by their FO if they don't considering they have by far the highest payroll, never lose their best prospects (unless it's to acquire a star), and can go steal everyone else's.
now, if the Rays or Indians or other teams win by out-smarting those teams. that's something.
For one thing, It's a really big deal to us Yankee fans that we got these guys. Expectations are high, but it isn't like we win a world series and shrug it off. People love the Yankees
And no team has to just give us their prospects.............
And the people of the tri-state area pay good money for the Yankees to be good. We fill the stadium and pay expensive money for seats to the games, the Yankee TV network adds a significant amount to our cable bills too.
The Yanks have a ton of support. Probably because they're good. But good teams get support. It's like a big wheel. You know we have an above ground train that stops at Yankee Stadium. It's like the Yankees express, multiple trains coming from Long Island, upstate New York, and Connecticut to Yankee Stadium. There's probably a train that comes from New Jersey too. It's trains packed with Yankees fans. It actually makes the MTA money!
Get your cities to really support your teams and you'll be able to get payrolls like the Yankees. It's worked for the Phillies. It's worked with the Red Sox. Texas payroll is begining to rise.
Remember when the Indians packed Jacobs Field and they had a high pay roll? The Yankees are able to make money and that's why we do what we do. New York loves the team
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NoLogo, I think you should stop rooting for your sorry team. Move on down to the Big Apple, come see what the Yankees are all about.
Root for a winner. And fall in love with the greatest city in the world. New York's got everything. The only thing that'll get me outta this area is........... the cost of houses. But hopefully i'll make plenty of money in the next couple years and i'll make it happen
Beware though: Tickets aren't cheap and neither is your cable bill after the Yankees Channel gets to it
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Get your cities to really support your teams and you'll be able to get payrolls like the Yankees.
it worked for Boston and Philly huh. go pack the Jake huh.
ok, how much money does NYY make on the stadium and how much on TV deals? I had a Forbes article awhile back that showed how the YES network made it so that basically the other teams cannot compete. NYC has more people and more money than Cleveland, which makes it easier for them to support the team and for the team to get huge television deals. By a ton. That isn't changing. Just look at Anaheim. They just inked a huge local TV deal and now could go out and get Pujols and Wilson.
Heck, the Indians cannot compete with the payrolls of Detroit or Chicago in our own division, let alone the behemoths. If the city was as Indian-crazy as they were Browns-crazy, then maybe they could support a $80-100mil yearly payroll. But, that's about it.
And, I'm not one that is completely disparaging the MLB-system for it. It makes it intriguing for the 'little guys' like the Rays, Indians and such to go up against the bigger markets. And, because of how baseball is played, it is actually possible to do it (if the NBA or NFL had such a system, then it would kill the smaller markets much more).
but, don't come on here and tell us if we supported our team then we could have a payroll like the Yankees as if it's a simple matter of filling the Jake. that's ridiculous.
(as far as no team has to give you prospects, you are correct. but, when they hit FA, MLB players have shown they will go where they get the most money. which, is almost always a big market team.)
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I like visiting cities like NYC, but I could never live there. Too many people, too congested, houses/apt's too small, no land, etc.
After living the good life with a big house and yard and a 10-20min commute to work, I could never give it up.
as far as bandwagon jumping, I could never do that either. I have now lived in OH, CA, AZ, and TX. The teams I cheer for our the Cleveland teams because those are the teams I grew up with.
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Heck, the Indians cannot compete with the payrolls of Detroit or Chicago in our own division, let alone the behemoths. If the city was as Indian-crazy as they were Browns-crazy, then maybe they could support a $80-100mil yearly payroll. But, that's about it.
That's fair. You're right. I acknowledge the power of the YES Network. It really holds cable companies hostage because enough people support the Yankees that they have to pay for it, but there's plenty of people who have no interest and are stuck paying for it as well. And it does significantly increase the bill. It's a station owned by the Yankees too.
It's really how the Mets make all their money also (SNY)
But as a Yankees fan, I can't say that I really care for the problems of the smaller market teams. Who doesn't like having an exciting team every summer?
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I like visiting cities like NYC, but I could never live there. Too many people, too congested, houses/apt's too small, no land, etc.
After living the good life with a big house and yard and a 10-20min commute to work, I could never give it up.
as far as bandwagon jumping, I could never do that either. I have now lived in OH, CA, AZ, and TX. The teams I cheer for our the Cleveland teams because those are the teams I grew up with.
Yeah, that's what I've sorta seen. As I've said, I love the New York area, but living in it is so expensive. My job has very little commute (since I work on the water, i'm gone for weeks and then I'm home for weeks), but I've seen what some of my co-worker buddies in Texas can do with their money. They get to buy houses, new pickup trucks, dirtbikes, and skeeter boats for bass fishing (although one of them showed me pictures of where he fishes and there's alligators in the water! Count me out........)
Houses around New York are so expensive that it kind of eliminates the toys  (But we do have the Yankees  )
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Yep.
I'd always rather root for a team with heart than one with wallet.
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People fill up Yankee Stadium and pay ridiculous prices for seats and beers, because they have a 200 million dollar payroll and the best players money can buy. If you were trotting out the Indians team, nobody would come and watch them either.
All those ridiculous expenses the Yankee fans pay came after your team was stacked with everyone else's talent. I hate that argument. Colin Cowherd makes that all the team. It's complete rubbish.
I don't fault the Yankees for doing what they do, because if the Tribe could do it, I'd be all for it, but they are essentially ruining baseball. Or have ruined, by some people's arguments.
Remember when the World Series was a big thing? Now it's a big thing to a small amount of people. Nobody cares anymore. The NFL rules now because the Yankees can't happen.
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Yep. People want to think that their team can have a chance at the ring. Like the players making their own demands to move to different teams in the NBA or not, at least there is a system in place where the teams losing players can recoup some of their loss, or at least have a better than even chance of signing their own player by offering him more money. The NFL allows all teams to compete on an even scale, with astute drafting being the main component to a winning team.
In baseball, it takes so long to develop prospects that a team who can short circuit the whole draft/develop process by virtue of having more money than everyone else takes away from the competitive balance. A team with money, like the Yankees, can afford to "out mistake" 5 or 6 lower level teams combined, and still have money left over to pursue upper level free agents. It's probably great if you are the team who can buy everyone ...... but it sucks if you are a fan of an average level team.
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You got to be joking...I'll let the numbers speak for themselves http://www.deepintosports.com/2009/07/21...en-dma-payroll/ Quote:
Market Rank TV Households 2009 Payroll Payroll/Household
35 905,350 Brewers $80,182,502 $88.57
34 915,570 Reds $73,558,500 $80.34
31 937,970 Royals $70,519,333 $75.18
21 1,249,820 Cardinals $77,605,109 $62.09
26 1,102,080 Orioles $67,101,666 $60.89
11 1,926,970 Tigers $115,085,145 $59.72
14 1,819,970 Mariners $98,904,166 $54.34
17 1,524,930 Indians $81,579,166 $53.50
7 2,409,080 Red Sox $121,745,999 $50.54
18 1,524,210 Rockies $75,201,000 $49.34
10 2,106,210 Astros $102,996,414 $48.90
23 1,156,460 Pirates $48,693,000 $42.11
28 1,066,680 Padres $43,734,200 $41.00
8 2,369,780 Braves $96,726,166 $40.82
12 1,855,930 Diamondbacks $73,516,666 $39.61
3 3,492,850 Cubs $134,809,000 $38.60
4 2,950,220 Phillies $113,004,046 $38.30
15 1,730,530 Twins $65,299,266 $37.73
13 1,822,160 Rays $63,313,034 $34.75
6 2,476,450 Giants $82,616,450 $33.36
3 3,492,850 White Sox $96,068,500 $27.50
5 2,489,970 Rangers $68,178,798 $27.38
1 7,433,820 Yankees $201,449,189 $27.10
9 2,321,610 Nationals $60,328,000 $25.99
6 2,476,450 Athletics $62,310,000 $25.16
16 1,546,920 Marlins $36,834,000 $23.81
2 5,654,260 Angels $113,709,000 $20.11
1 7,433,820 Mets $149,373,987 $20.09
2 5,654,260 Dodgers $100,414,592 $17.76
So basically you're saying that by winning the Cincinnait with 915,000 households and the Indians with 1.5 million households can recieve the same kinda support, fans, and most importantly TV Deal as the Yankees with 7.5 million households?
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Oh, I know this is how it works. But that's exactly it, I'm a Yankees fan. I love playing in the playoffs every year. I love talking about my baseball team in August and September. I acknowledge that that's probably impossible if you're from Kansas City or something.
On our sports radio here in NYC, Craig Carton and Boomer Esiason (Met Fans) every year create the "Met Fans For Yankees" Club. They sell rubber bracelets (that donate money to charities) and stuff like that.
The Mets become irrelevant on the radio come early fall, lol. So they have to start talking a lot more about the Yankees and the pennant/wild card. They're actually really good at it. Then they follow the Yankees through the playoffs and do coverage for them.
I have no problem with Met fans jumping on the wagon. Some people say it's wrong to do, but I really like the Mets. It's too bad what happened to that team.
Bernie Madoff needs to be shot. He ruined the Mets. They have a good managers, but the owners invested money from the Madoff Pawnsy Scheme into SNY, now they're having to give all their SNY profits back. With the real estate market crumbling, the owners are having to cut back on pay-roll big time. Meanwhile tickets to the games are still very expensive.
I just hope that their managers stick around to make it through this storm. They've got good people in place, they just need to get the ship righted
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Yeah but the problem is that the Yankee's advantages are killing baseball. There's a reason its no longer the number 1 sport in America. As far as I know its still 27 outs on beautiful days of summer.
If I was Yankee I would probably like the system too, but doesn't change the fact its killing baseball. Look at the Indians they let 2 back to back Cy Young winners walk cause they coudn't afford them....how can you get excited for a team when you know eventually your favorite player is going to ditch (Votto) eventually.
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Wow... didn't take long for THIS thread to get hijacked. By a Skankees fan no less.  Back to the thread... Heard that we came to 1-year agreements with Masterson, Choo, Chris Perez, Hannahan and Joe Smith. Good move to avoid arbitration. Not sure why we bothered with Hannahan, but OK... LOL Two more to go: Asdrubal and Rafael Perez. Need to get those guys inked.
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This isn't a Tribe thing as much as it's MLB... but why is it taking so long for Prince Fielder to sign somewhere? Aren't most FA deals done before New Years??
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Last time I checked, the Skanks weren't in the AL Central.
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Wow... didn't take long for THIS thread to get hijacked. By a Skankees fan no less.
Sorry, I just wanted to gloat about our new pitchers, and you guys are the only people I can do it to.
I'm not involved in a Yankees board or really any other message boards. You're all I've got........... But just so you guys all know, you're my 2nd favorite AL team. Anyway, on to your Indians convos
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This isn't a Tribe thing as much as it's MLB... but why is it taking so long for Prince Fielder to sign somewhere? Aren't most FA deals done before New Years??
Because him and Boras want 10 years 260 Million like Pujols..I don't care where he ends up as long as its out of the NL Central. My thoughts on likely spots:
Rangers- Not possible with Yu Darvish signing soon and having to reup Josh Hamilitan can't afford it. However, if Yu doesn't come to terms i think they have like 3 more days then I think Rangers become viable again.
Marlins: I think they are going to take the money and sped it on Yoenis Cespedes. Big Latin community and would be a perfect fit. However, going to vastly overpay for a guy who has never came up against the quality of MLB pitching or even AAA pitching.
Brewers: took the money and spent it elsewhere
Cubs; Looks like they are in full rebuild mode
Nationals: Winner Winner Chicken Dinner. Zimmerman can move to third and Boras and the Nationals owner are on good terms. I think its a 6 year deal at about 21 mil per.
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Hannahan actually did pretty well with the leather playing third base last year. At least to me it was a rather nice surprise. In terms of players I really wonder about: Laporta: This is definitely a put up or shut up year for him. He needs to produce NOW. I am sick of waiting for this guy to come around. I mean he was supposed to be the centerpiece of the CC Sabathia deal, let's go! The outfield: I'm hoping the outfield is set with Brantley, maybe sizemore(although he is getting old and may not be worth the contract...), and of course Choo on the right side. I'm hoping Choo can have a great year not having to worry about any of his army issues with Korea. The infield: I'm hoping we pick up some kind of a power right handed stick to play first base because I am severely doubting Hafner's ability to play everyday at this point. I just want a right hander who can produce some power with a decent average. As for second base, you have Jason kipnis who played good last year for a rookie. At third you have Chisenhall who showed good power and had clutch hits last year for us winning some games in walk off fasion. Pitching and the bullpen: I'm just hoping the rotation holds up well with all the young guys we are counting on this year. Will the starting rotation and bullpen look like this???? STARTERS Jiminez Masterson Tomlin Huff Gomez?? BULLPEN Raffy Perez Joe Smith Vinnie Pestano(REALLY impressed by his guys) Tony Sipp Lastly, the man Chris Perez!!!! Go Tribe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I know it may be too early, but any outside predictions on what our record may be this year? 
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Bearer of bad news that looks like a 80-82 the team. The team hasn't changed at all from last year so might as well predict same results.
Maybe Grady comes back and Ubaldo returns to his ace form and the Indians surprise, but that's a lot of hoping.
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the one hope there would be that the Tribe had a ton of injuries last year. way more than normal. so, if we can be a bit more healthy, then perhaps we can improve that record.
add in the youngsters already having their feet wet and you can tack on a few more wins.
still, it's going to be tough to catch the Tigers by their toe
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I kinda like that Grady is back, it's a nice story, but I'm really liking that we aren't going to depend on him, I think they have kinda moved on from banking on him doing anything. Whatever we get is a bonus.
The next person we need to do that with is Hafner.
Everyone else's injuries were pretty much a fluke/could happen to anyone.
Too bad we have no chance at Fielder, talk about a perfect fit.
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Bearer of bad news that looks like a 80-82 the team. The team hasn't changed at all from last year so might as well predict same results.
Maybe Grady comes back and Ubaldo returns to his ace form and the Indians surprise, but that's a lot of hoping.
it usually never works like that. Not too many people thought we would've done as good as we did last year. there's too many varibles from year to year to think things will be the same. If the ball bounces their way, and guys play out of their mind, I could see this team winning 87-90 games. Just like if some guys have off years we could only win 75, and that wouldn't surprise me either. plus injuries are hard to figure. ... Everyone seems to think they will sign carlos pena, or casey kotchman. So, there's still some time to make a few upgrades. Just waiting on Fielder to sign, so these other guys could follow.
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still, it's going to be tough to catch the Tigers by their toe
They already lost VMart for the whole season a few days ago (mentioned above). Imagine if Verlander missed a month or so....the Tribe was very close to pulling the division out last year when injuries ruined their chances. With VMart out, that really puts a lot of pressure on that team....he had a monster year, that's tough to replace.
I like our chances this year. We need guys to stay healthy and to play like last year (maybe a bit over their talent levels).
Hey, this is what sports is all about. Getting your hopes up, watching the team and talking about what's wrong and how to fix it. If we're lucky, they'll get into the playoffs. And like the Cards proved last year, all you need to do it get in to make some magic happen (and some timely late inning runs in Game 6 of the WS).
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People often forget that while Verlander is a great pitcher, the Tribe actually has pretty good success against him, lifetime 11-13 record against us. Last year he owned them (as he owned everyone else)
There is no guarantee that he has that kind of year again, and it's no lock that he owns the Tribe like he did. I'll be real interested to see how that first matchup goes.
One guy that I am glad is gone is Carlos Quentin from the Sox, seriously when that guy faced us it seemed like he saw the baseball as a beach ball.
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the white sox definitely are in rebuild mode. Losing Buehlre and Quentin, plus some of their other guys are getting old. I don't think the twins will be a factor. I really love the royals, and how they have built that team. They will be in the hunt for the next 5 seasons or so. Should be a 3 team race.
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Yeah, complete rebuild. Ozzie gone, Buerhle gone, 2 biggest personalities on that team by far. They still have a few nice pieces, but I think the presence of Ozzie gone alone, will hurt that team. He's 50/50 with fans around here, but me personally, I think he's an excellent manager and a guy I'd love to play for. Lets you know where you stand. What he did in 2005 was one of the best managing jobs I've ever seen.
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Fausto Carmona arrested in Dominican Republic for using false identity Aaron Gleeman Jan 19, 2012, 3:06 PM EST Jorge Arangure of ESPN.com passes along word from reporter Yancen Pujols that Indians right-hander Fausto Carmona was arrested in the Dominican Republic and is being charged with using a false identity. According to Pujols, Dominican police arrested Carmona–whose real name is apparently Roberto Hernandez Heredia–while he was leaving the American consulate after renewing his visa. Last month Marlins reliever Leo Nunez was arrested in the Dominican Republic when it was discovered that his real name is Juan Carlos Oviedo. Oviedo was later released from jail and the incident didn’t stop the Marlins from tendering him a contract and signing him for $6 million to avoid arbitration, so based on how that played out Carmona/Heredia may not be in serious trouble either. However, he may struggle to get a visa in time for spring training. Carmona/Heredia finished fourth in the Cy Young award voting in 2007, going 19-6 with a 3.06 ERA in 215 innings as a 23-year-old rookie, although now perhaps he wasn’t actually 23 and since then he has a 5.01 ERA in 645 innings. Back in October the Indians exercised their $7 million option on Carmona/Heredia despite his 5.25 ERA in 32 starts last season. UPDATE: Dionisio Soldevilla of the Associated Press reports that Carmona/Heredia is actually 31 years old, not 28 as everyone believed. That means his standout rookie season came at age 26 and could give the Indians a way to void his contract. http://hardballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/0...entity/related/
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Tribe won't want to void his contract. We could have opted out of it if we had wanted to afterall.
No real surprise that he's older than we thought though it stinks that his dropoff is more likely moving forward.
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Should've unloaded him two seasons ago.
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I don't think this has too much of an impact on with his current contract. His upside is still there and he's relatively cheap. So it only hurts the value on his next contract. No big deal.
What I want to know....with this news out, does he play this upcoming season with Carmona or Heredia on the back of his jersey?
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I wonder if Carlos Santana has a different name as well. He's from the same town as carmona. That's kind of strange no one on the indians knew about this. It's not a big deal to me, but the indians have quite a few Dominicans on the team, including manager Manny Acta. Acta has stated he is very close to Ubaldo Jiminez family, so I'm pretty sure he would probably be familiar with carmona's background. The dominican is no bigger than ohio population wise.
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Indians Manager Juan Sanchez (formerly Manny Acta) is outraged over the Faux-sto Carmona news.
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I just think that it would be kinda funny if these guys could no longer access their bank accounts because they are not the person who opened the account ....... 
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but who would get the money???
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They can send it to me.
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Haven't contracts been voided in the past because of age stuff?
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I just saw this ...... "Fausto Carmona: The player who was named later." 
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