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I was just think while everyone is talking about what they WANT to happen, I was wondering what everone would HATE to happen...
I'm not a big fan of RG3 even at #4, so to me trading up to #2 to get him would be the worst thing...
But with all the possibilities, what's everyone really hoping DOESN'T happen?
I'll be honest, one thing I hate, which is somewhat rare now that I'm more into the draft... Is when we draft someone I'm not familiar with...
We were at 6, so I didn't focus on the late 1st guys last year, We made the big move back, and thought we were getting hyped up DE Cam Jordan, then we took Phil Taylor, someone I had literally never heard of before... Same with Sheard.
Our first two picks and I had no idea what we had just drafted. Montario Hardesty? Who?
I understand not knowing guys in the 6th and 7th round, but I hate when we draft someone high I've never heard of... I guess part of that is my doing though...
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I'd hate if Blackmon was there and we passed on him.
But, other than my man crush, I know that I know very little about so many of these players. So, when the FO does something, I just have to accept that they know what they're doing. Because, what's the alternative?
I guess if I was going to pick one other thing I'd hate, it would be if we trade high picks in next year's draft in order to move around.
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After luck and griffin go 1-2, taking tannehill at 4. I was going to say trading up for Trent richardson, but that seems pretty unlikely.
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Not to diss you, but Hardesty was hardly a unknown.
He did start for Tennessee...I know, I live there, but still, it is a good program in a pretty good conference.
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I would be upset if we traded up for RG3 but I would probably quit watching the Browns if they drafted Zach Brown. Michael Floyd is another guy I want no part of, I think he is Robo 2.0. I just dont know how these guys get rated so high when they just don't seem to enjoy the game. They dont have that desire to stay.
I'll take an undrafted like Bodden that just wants to compete and give it his all on every single play over those guys with all the talent and are there to draw a check.
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I just remembered that draft was while I was in BCT, hence why I hadn't really heard of anyone in it... 
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I really liked Taylor but never thought we'd draft him since top 10 would be too high and he'd never fall to the 2nd after dominating SR Bowl week....after the trade down he was my #2 target right after Cam Jordan too...but drafting the DT 1st and the DE later was definately the smarter move....Heckert really worked the draft to perfection with those 2 picks....it would have been a grand slam if we landed Torrey Smith...in hindsight I'm sure Heckert regrets not having traded up for him...even burning a 1 of the 4th rounders (Cameron or Marecic)...Ozzie is a real value whore, esp in the early rounds...Oher, Jimmy Smith and then T.Smith...unbelievable talent considering they draft in the bottom of each round
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#4 RB Richardson, OT Kalil
#22 G DeCastro, LB Kuechly, WR Floyd, OLB Brown
....and I think Richardson, DeCastro and Kuechly will be above AVG NFL players at least...this is all about value....Floyd would be worst case, as I think he's your typical BE-contract player type...flashes some games, even an entire season but not a franchise player...Kalil is not a RT fit....Brown might be the most overrated player in this draft
there are numerous trade down from 4 scenarios I would hate...we can't do much wrong just staying pat at 4 imho and worst case we get Blackmon (upside: B.Marshall, floor: Crabtree, most likely: Boldin) but I see better WR value later....I'd be ok with RG 3 even via uptrade....QB is really the way to go with our 1st pick imho....if we trade down for another nice haul, I'd even be ok with Tannehill but only if Kirkpatrick was off the board
Another scenario most would probably hate is to trade once or multiple times down to the 20s again like last season...especially if Luck and RG 3 are gone by pick 4....with the additional Top 50 pick I'd pick 4 out of: Sanu, D.Jones, Tannehill, F.Cox, Branch, Curry, David, Gilmore...a scenario of Tannehill, Cox/Curry/Branch, Sanu/Jones, Gilmore and David comes close to my wet dream
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Who is this Tennessee you speak of? After Fullmer left I thought they folded the program.
My fear too would be that we trade up for RG3. I don't like him at all as a guy that's going to play right away. He has an odd arm angle and does not have a strong arm. He's also smallish and will be on and off the injury list for whoever drafts him. His running around with his head cut off does not spell long term success to me.
To trade picks and move up to pick him would be a headscratcher. But not too worried about that.
Picking Trent Richardson at 4 would be a bummer as well.
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Arm angle or throwing motion? That technically doesn't even matter if he gets the ball out and gets it to the receivers. I'm sure you remember Kosar didn't have a perfect throwing motion, far from it. And on arm strength, I already see his arm as stronger than McCoy's. On his running ability; I know you obviously want someone with good pocket awareness, but don't you want someone who can escape the pocket if need be? I saw his line break down constantly and he was able to sense the pressure and evade the rushers coming at him. The only thing that makes me the slightest bit afraid about him was the opponents he played against. I wouldn't want him coming in here playing against the Ravens thinking that's relatable to him playing some DIV II or III team.
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I usually know the top 50-75 names pretty well so I'm usually not suprised by a name. Loved the Sheard pick last year was lukewarm on Taylor but I think both have proved themselves well. I really HATE when we reach on a player to play a different position then what he played in college (Veikune comes to mind) or did not actually have any colledge production.and is drafted on his ceiling being higher.
In regards to this years draft, I'd equally hate one of the following scenarios:
(1) Trade up for a player not named Luck
(2) Trade down out of the top 10 unless we got another 1st (this draft sucks)
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Trading up for RG3
Trade back into the 1st for Burfict
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I don't understand the love-fest of having #4 and #22 if we trade them for #2 and RG3. Obviously if you think he's the guy, sure, but I don't. If you're bad enough to get #4, you shouldn't be trading away more picks for #2.
Blackmon at 4 would also bother me but I don't expect it.
I would also hate to trade out of #4 and have someone jump us for Tannehill.
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Blackmon at 4 would also bother me but I don't expect it.
Why not?
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1) trading up for someone not named Luck.
2) Not spending 3 of the first 4 picks on offensive players.
The offense is really bad, so improvement is needed.
I tend to have a bit of faith with Heckert on the selection of players. Expicially in the first 2 rounds, as he has done an acceptable job.
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Giving up any picks for anyone...Outside of 6th rounders
Taking a 1st round QB
Not focusing on the defense...Id love a DE and OLB in the late 1st and 2nd.
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Arm angle or throwing motion? That technically doesn't even matter if he gets the ball out and gets it to the receivers.
Well then we agree to disagree.
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And on arm strength, I already see his arm as stronger than McCoy's.
He doesn't drive the ball with his lower half and he doesn't get on top of his throws except for one throw I've seen in four games.
He's a big project and media hype has him where he is right now.
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Richardson at 4.
Drafting players that would have little to no impact on your passing offense is not my idea of building a team.
It's clear that Shurmur wants a passing offense and a good defense. If we draft a running back with a potential franchise QB, WR, or CB on left, I will lose my stuff.
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Richardson at 4.
Drafting players that would have little to no impact on your passing offense is not my idea of building a team.
It's clear that Shurmur wants a passing offense and a good defense. If we draft a running back with a potential franchise QB, WR, or CB on left, I will lose my stuff.
It's clear to you that Shurmur wants a good defense?
I wasn't even sure he was aware we had one...
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It's clear that Shurmur wants a passing offense and a good defense. If we draft a running back with a potential franchise QB, WR, or CB on left, I will lose my stuff.
In the Philly Offense, Brian Westbrook played a HUGE role in the receiving game. Richardson is pretty good at catching the ball. And no matter what, we're going to be running the football, especially if we're winning the game.
I get the argument to go for an elite QB and i get that an elite WR would be great because it's a position we're so weak at. But i'll be very disappointed if we draft another CB over Trent Richardson. Everyone talks about how great RBs don't seem to be in the superbowl. Well neither do great CBs. Our major needs on defense are LB and DE, not CB.
I loved the Joe Haden pick, he's a guy we can put against team's top WR. But another corner really early in the draft would be my nightmare. I'm sure Claiborne is good, but if I'm picking high for defense, I want a great DE. There isn't one available, so pass on defense with our first pick. At least with the number 4 pick...........
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I would have to agree that trading up for Griffin would be my Nightmare and taking him at 4 would be a really bad dream.
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Trading back from #4 into the 20's...and taking a center.
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Trading back from #4 into the 20's...and taking a center.
What if we go from 4, to 15, to 17, to 20?
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Trading up for any QB except Luck
Taking RG3 at #4
Taking Tannehill anywhere before #22 (honestly wouldn't be happy with that either, but not quite a nightmare)
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The QBs in this draft (besides Luck) are getting entirely too much hype
I'm ganna start mock drafting Kirk Cousins at #22...
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For those who don't want Richardson at #4, why?
We have no RB.
For those in the "value" camp, name the last time we hit on a later round RB....someone who was around for awhile.
It would be nice to have that position locked up for the next 8 or so years.
I think Richardson would be great pick on a team devoid of playmakers. Low bust potential.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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Seeing someone trade up over us for Griffin and having us take Trent Richardson. There's no reason to take a RB that high anymore unless they're flat out special and honestly, Richardson is really, really good but he's not Top 5 to me.
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Seeing someone trade up over us for Griffin and having us take Trent Richardson. There's no reason to take a RB that high anymore unless they're flat out special and honestly, Richardson is really, really good but he's not Top 5 to me.
Says the guy who went nuts about Adrian Peterson............
Richardson looks as good as Peterson without the injuries that Peterson had in college
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Speaking of that, it's kind of funny how I'm able to call you out about something years ago. We've been on this board awhile, I wonder how much longer we'll go
But you did insanely pimp Adrian Peterson like no poster I've ever seen pimp a player
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For those who don't want Richardson at #4, why?
We have no RB.
For those in the "value" camp, name the last time we hit on a later round RB....someone who was around for awhile.
It would be nice to have that position locked up for the next 8 or so years.
I think Richardson would be great pick on a team devoid of playmakers. Low bust potential.
Running back simply isn't that important in the NFL anymore thanks to the current rules. Teams no longer run to set up the pass, it's now pass the ball and run to keep defenses honest.
Look at the Top 10 rushers in the league this year and see where they were drafted:
Maurice Jones-Drew: 60th overall
Ray Rice: 55th overall
Michael Turner: 154th overall
LeSean McCoy: 53rd overall
Arian Foster: UDFA
Frank Gore: 65th overall
Marshawn Lynch: 12th overall
Willis McGahee: 23rd overall
Stephen Jackson: 24th overall
Ryan Matthews: 12th overall
Not a single Top 10 RB on the list and not a single 1st round pick in the Top 5. The crazy thing is, that list will look completely different next year, a few guys on that list will end up hurt and once most of them hit 30, they'll fall off the face of the earth in production.
Sure, guys like Peterson and McFadden might've topped the list if they were healthy, but that's just it... RBs get hurt way too much to prioritize them over other positions. The ONLY way I'd even consider taking a RB Top 5 is if he's a Peterson type franchise back and I just don't see that in Richardson. He's great but not elite.
Even the best RBs simply have too short of a shelf life and are too easily found outside the Top 5 to make me want to spend such a high pick on him. Give me a RB with #22 or our 2nd/3rd. Save that first pick for position that's much harder to find.
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Says the guy who went nuts about Adrian Peterson............
Richardson looks as good as Peterson without the injuries that Peterson had in college
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Speaking of that, it's kind of funny how I'm able to call you out about something years ago. We've been on this board awhile, I wonder how much longer we'll go
But you did insanely pimp Adrian Peterson like no poster I've ever seen pimp a player
Call me out? About what? I said Peterson was going to be a Hall of Famer before he was even drafted. I said I'd be totally fine with Thomas because I thought he'd be a very solid player. Not sure what about that I'm wrong about (except having to wait a few years for Peterson's induction ceremony)  That said, I hope these boards keep going forever, always fun to reminisce.
The bottom line is that was 5 years ago and the NFL has changed a LOT since then thanks to the new rules that let passing attacks run wild. This is a league where the old model that I favored of strong defense and a franchise back with a solid but not-necessarily-franchise QB has gone by the wayside. A top back with another guy who can eat some carries is the new norm. Those game manager QBs now fall short of the Super Bowl every time. Consider this new stance getting current with the times lol.
To win consistently in the league now, I think you need to have an elite QB. That's why I'm all for drafting Griffin, even if he's a risk in my mind because he'd need to be coached into a pro style. To me, a risk on a potential stud franchise QB (and quite frankly, if Griffin pans out he could change the position) is much more worth taking than a risk on a RB that is much more easily addressed.
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But here's the thing...if we stay at #4 and RG3 is either gone or we don't want him and can't trade down, then what do we do? It seems there aren't many guys worthy of the #4 pick.
I dont really care where other guys were drafted. They don't play for the Browns and we haven't hit on RB in the draft .....first round or otherwise ....in forever. I wouldn't mind taking a player that's going to be above average...I wouldn't mind hitting on a first round guy for a change.
And by the way ....5 of those 10 guys were also in the playoffs ....you know even though it's a passing league and all.
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But here's the thing...if we stay at #4 and RG3 is either gone or we don't want him and can't trade down, then what do we do? It seems there aren't many guys worthy of the #4 pick.
I dont really care where other guys were drafted. They don't play for the Browns and we haven't hit on RB in the draft .....first round or otherwise ....in forever. I wouldn't mind taking a player that's going to be above average...I wouldn't mind hitting on a first round guy for a change.
And by the way ....5 of those 10 guys were also in the playoffs ....you know even though it's a passing league and all.
If we're absolutely stuck at #4 (assuming Luck, Griffin and Kalil are off the board), after I'm done throwing things in disgust I'd take Claiborne... and I am 99% against drafting defense that highly again. I'm not that high on Blackmon because a) I don't think he fits the burner we need and b) he's not an A.J. Green kind of Top 5 guy. I've already stated my case against Richardson. Shutdown CBs are a precious commodity, are not nearly as easy to find as a RB and honestly, Claiborne could be better than Haden.
And yes, you're right, it is absolutely possible for a team that is run-first to make the playoffs. I just don't expect them to go anywhere unless they have a guy that can sling the rock.
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2) Not spending 3 of the first 4 picks on offensive players.
The offense is really bad, so improvement is needed.
I agree with this theory in theory, and I Love the investment in offense, Good Grief they HAVE to fix the offense. But to look at this draft, there is alot of value in defensive players early, Db's excluded.
So 2 off, and 2 defen would be ok, and if they found a way to get a Qb, a Wr, and those 2 defenders had the last names Ingram and Upshaw, ... I'd be super celebrating. ( Best pass rusher Melvin Ingram, S carolina, and best all around Linebacker Courtney Upshaw, Alabama ) .
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And by the way ....5 of those 10 guys were also in the playoffs ....you know even though it's a passing league and all.
5 out of 10 isn't an impressive number at all...actually it rather shows that RBs aren't as important anymore
Btw, 9 out of the top 10 QB ratings were in the POs too...and 8 out of the top 10 receivers
hint, hint !
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For those who don't want Richardson at #4, why?
Running back is a dime a dozen position, where you can find a good one later in the draft/in free agency. Richardson may be good, but his talents would be wasted here, in a passing offense.
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In my nightmare I'm sitting in the Browns' Draft War Room on the day of the draft with Michael Myers, Jason, Freddie Krueger, and - oddly enough - Bob Newhart. Its the Browns turn, and I'm making the pick. Bob Newhart says to me, gesturing towards the three killers, "The boys want you to trade the first pick to the Steelers for Charlie Batch.". I say "You guys are on crack.", and they all pull out knives, hatchets, and ice picks and start towards me. Then I wake up. I always wake up ... so far.
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hold strong, remember, they are going to kill you anyways so no reason to give up the pick 
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worst case scenario: #4 Tannehill #22 Burfict #37 Jonathan Massaquoi (he's a DE from Troy I know nothing about but getting another Massaquoi in the 2nd round spells trouble to me ) more likely worst case scenario #4 Coples #22 Tannehill #37 Burfict
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My biggest nightmare is that they trade a bunch of picks this year and next to move up to get Andrew Luck.
Next worst nightmare would be if they trade a bunch of picks to move up 2 spots to get RG3.
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I understand not knowing guys in the 6th and 7th round, but I hate when we draft someone high I've never heard of... I guess part of that is my doing though...
Sounds like you should watch something other than the Big 10 once in a while.. Since you've never heard of some of the better players in the Big 12, the Pac 10, the Big East and the SEC...
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My draft nightmare is that we have the opportunity to get a franchise QB in this draft ...... a 15 year difference maker who makes his teammates better guy ........and we pass to draft some decent player ...... but who will never be the difference between winning a Super Bowl or not. The follow up nightmare would be watching that QB (or those QBs) leading their teams to Super Bowls while we try ti figure out how to get to .500 consistently.
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Passing on RG3 for Blackmon (or anyone, but especially Blackmon), and taking Chase Minnifield, Jonathan Martin, Riley Reiff or Quinton Coples.
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