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Breaking news: Kyri Irving is really good.
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In other news, jamison is not
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I didn't expect that from Alonzo Gee 
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lololol Fred McCloud..."He just put some Gee-Mail in KG's inbox!" when Alonzo Gee dunked on Garnett. I like it. Gee should get consideration for the dunk contest this year. He dunks with authority and has had some pretty spectacular posterizations this season.
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Finally getting to see Mychael thompson, been wanting to see him all year, i think he could def. be a rotation guy, he's got probably a top 3 stroke on our team and he's a tenacious defender.
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I was reading that thinking you were thinking of Klay Thompson whose father is the former NBA player Mychel Thompson. I didn't realize the older Thompson son had made it into the NBA.
Thompson is on the radio out here as a talking head and a Lakers color analyst. It's cool to see how his sons have grown up and both made the NBA.
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and the rookie with the game winner. Great game to watch. The biggest thing i took away from this game is, M thompson needs to play more, Jamison needs traded/cut, Irving just might be the real deal, and tristan thompson isn't very good
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Andy basically won that game with his hustle, and then kyrie made the game winner with 2 seconds left
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Something I realized about Kyrie tonight. He is really strong. He is a LOT stronger than he looks.
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Something I realized about Kyrie tonight. He is really strong. He is a LOT stronger than he looks.
Seen most the cavs games and the kid is really something special. Im personally hoping the cavs make the Playoffs this year because I think it will help him in the long run. Hes a gamer no doubt. Him and Andy are really the face of this team right now.
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I am a big Cavs fan that lives in Minnesota where everyone is gushing over Rubio...I personally think that if the season ended today, that Kyrie would win Rookie of the Year over Rubio pretty easily... And that is taking nothing away from Rubio, as he is certainly a very good player himself... One of my buddies thinks I am crazy for saying this... I really don't think I am being a homer here... I have watched both players quite a bit, and don't see how Irving would not win the win the award if given today.
What do you guys think?
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I think Irving has been better.
I think Rubio has gotten more hype and had more highlight reel plays (as he's willing to throw any pass and able to complete a decent amount of them).
So, while I think Irving would be more deserving (to date), I think it would be close and Rubio might win (also, the media would have the story of 3 ROY winners from 2009 draft w/ Blake missing the 1st year and winning last year, Rubio staying in Europe until now)
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Fair or unfair, it will factor in that Rubio has been playing professionally for what, 5 years, while Irving will not have even been pro for even 5 months.
I think Irving wins it hands down, even at this pace if the Cavs finish out of the playoffs.
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Yeah, I do think that hype will have something to do with the vote. Thing is, when you look at this objectively, Irving is doing more with less. Rubio has Love to work with, which makes a huge difference as well. Also, Kyrie's FG% is WAY better than Ricky's I believe.
I know it's early, but Kyrie has blown the doors off the expectations I had for him this year. I LOVE that he isn't afraid of the big moments.
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Yeah, I do think that hype will have something to do with the vote. Thing is, when you look at this objectively, Irving is doing more with less. Rubio has Love to work with, which makes a huge difference as well. Also, Kyrie's FG% is WAY better than Ricky's I believe.
I know it's early, but Kyrie has blown the doors off the expectations I had for him this year. I LOVE that he isn't afraid of the big moments.
That is so true. I think Irving wins and has as you say blow the doors off my expectations. Hes going to get better as the year goes on and I really want to see the Cavs make the Playoffs this year so he can get a taste of that as well.
I have no expectations in the playoffs except for a quick exit but the value of being there would be immense going forward.
Not to mention if the Cavs want a high pick next year they can buy 1.
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I'm not so sure they can just buy a high pick. Nobody is going to hand out lotto picks in a draft that is projected to be very good.
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I'm not so sure they can just buy a high pick. Nobody is going to hand out lotto picks in a draft that is projected to be very good.
exactly. and there are no straight-up buys for top10 picks in any draft anyways. the closest thing you get is the Baron for Mo trade last year (since Baron had more $$$ on his contract).
and it'd be awfully greedy to expect another trade like that to fall in our laps
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The biggest reason the Clippers did that was because they were desperate to unload Baron (this was before the amnesty rule) ... and because they felt the draft was the weakest in years (Outside of Kyrie ... it pretty much was). They figured they were drafting 7th-10th, and had little to no chance of actually winning a top 3 pick. Low and behold, their pick hit anyway.
This year the draft is pretty deep. Teams are going to be holding on to lottery picks. Plus with the revised CBA and amnesty rules, teams aren't going to be as desperate to clear cap space as they were in the past.
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so you dont think that if the cavs offer up their pick which would be just outside the lottery piicks and perhaps a couple mill cash and say sessions that a team between 4-8 wouldnt take it?
Im not sure with the new CBA but last year I could have sworn I heard it talked about how teams would sell 1st round picks for cash so that is what I was basing my statement on. Perhaps things have changed with the new CBA or I misunderstood.
I dont expect us to get a trade like last year because no team really wants to trade unprotected picks. Im not looking for a top 3 pick either just was talking about being able to move up.
I dont remember but dont we also have some other picks that are protected sitting out there that eventually will come our way?
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The biggest reason the Clippers did that was because they were desperate to unload Baron (this was before the amnesty rule) ... and because they felt the draft was the weakest in years (Outside of Kyrie ... it pretty much was). They figured they were drafting 7th-10th, and had little to no chance of actually winning a top 3 pick. Low and behold, their pick hit anyway.
This year the draft is pretty deep. Teams are going to be holding on to lottery picks. Plus with the revised CBA and amnesty rules, teams aren't going to be as desperate to clear cap space as they were in the past.
Good points and if the draft is as deep as you guys say then we wouldnt that bad off picking just outside the lottery as in say a not so deep draft year?
Either way Im good with it if we miss out Im just not as much about losing this year as I was last year. 
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so you dont think that if the cavs offer up their pick which would be just outside the lottery piicks and perhaps a couple mill cash and say sessions that a team between 4-8 wouldnt take it?
Im not sure with the new CBA but last year I could have sworn I heard it talked about how teams would sell 1st round picks for cash so that is what I was basing my statement on. Perhaps things have changed with the new CBA or I misunderstood.
I dont expect us to get a trade like last year because no team really wants to trade unprotected picks. Im not looking for a top 3 pick either just was talking about being able to move up.
I dont remember but dont we also have some other picks that are protected sitting out there that eventually will come our way?
not a chance. no way would a team trade Michael Kidd-Gilchrist(4-8 range) for Ramon Sessions, Doron Lamb(15-20 range -- if we make the playoffs that's where we would be) and $2million. the elite talent is greatly weighted at the top of the draft and 1 player can affect a team in the NBA more than any other pro-sport. no way a team does that.
we have a better chance at a team getting desperate towards competing this year (read: Orlando) and needs one of our assets like Ramon now (read: Orlando and their PG struggles breaking the press). maybe we could get a Jiri Welsch special out of them (panic trade for a 1st round pick - though likely in the 20s).
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Think of the NBA draft as a very condensed NFL draft. The pick value goes down tremendously right away.
Picks #1-15 (your lottery picks) are like the first two rounds of the NFL draft
Picks #15-30 are similar are like rounds 3 and 4.
Picks #31-45 (first half of round 2) are like 5 and 6
Picks #46-60 are like Round 7 and UDFAs.
Most your picks for cash happen in the back half of the seconds round ... mostly because the picks are worthless anyway. Trading a back-end first rounder for a lottery pick isn't going to happen unless you have a pretty hefty piece going back the other way.
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so you dont think that if the cavs offer up their pick which would be just outside the lottery piicks and perhaps a couple mill cash and say sessions that a team between 4-8 wouldnt take it?
Im not sure with the new CBA but last year I could have sworn I heard it talked about how teams would sell 1st round picks for cash so that is what I was basing my statement on. Perhaps things have changed with the new CBA or I misunderstood.
I dont expect us to get a trade like last year because no team really wants to trade unprotected picks. Im not looking for a top 3 pick either just was talking about being able to move up.
I dont remember but dont we also have some other picks that are protected sitting out there that eventually will come our way?
not a chance. no way would a team trade Michael Kidd-Gilchrist(4-8 range) for Ramon Sessions, Doron Lamb(15-20 range -- if we make the playoffs that's where we would be) and $2million. the elite talent is greatly weighted at the top of the draft and 1 player can affect a team in the NBA more than any other pro-sport. no way a team does that.
we have a better chance at a team getting desperate towards competing this year (read: Orlando) and needs one of our assets like Ramon now (read: Orlando and their PG struggles breaking the press). maybe we could get a Jiri Welsch special out of them (panic trade for a 1st round pick - though likely in the 20s).
Ok I see what your saying. Ill scratch that thought from my thinking now. I just looked and seen that the Bucks have us beat on tie breakers as of now so I guess I need to root for the Cavs to lose the next 3 which is entirely possible. 
On another thought do you think the Cavs would be able to/ will move Jamison? Im having my doubts now with as you said the Amnesty rule changes everything.
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Think of the NBA draft as a very condensed NFL draft. The pick value goes down tremendously right away.
Picks #1-15 (your lottery picks) are like the first two rounds of the NFL draft
Picks #15-30 are similar are like rounds 3 and 4.
Picks #31-45 (first half of round 2) are like 5 and 6
Picks #46-60 are like Round 7 and UDFAs.
Most your picks for cash happen in the back half of the seconds round ... mostly because the picks are worthless anyway. Trading a back-end first rounder for a lottery pick isn't going to happen unless you have a pretty hefty piece going back the other way.
Good post that really puts it into perspective for me. The Cavs had been so good for so long I never really worried about the draft or TBH considered value at the verious spots as you have definded them. 
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On another thought do you think the Cavs would be able to/ will move Jamison? Im having my doubts now with as you said the Amnesty rule changes everything.
I don't think we'll get anything substantial for him. He's not playing well enough for a contender to really want his services, and I'm not sure anyone is extremely desperate to clear cap space at the moment either. In the second case, we would also have to be willing to take on a pretty bad contract in the other direction, so I'm not sure how willing the Cavs would be to to do that either.
Put it this way ... last year, everyone thought for sure we'd trade our $15 million dollar trade exception for a haul. Not only was it a straight-up cap relief for any team that wanted it, it could also be divided up so teams didn't have to worry about matching up salaries exactly. Instead, it expired completely unused. And that was BEFORE salary amnesty was put into effect, and most teams were able to dump their biggest salary albatrosses from their payroll.
Even if we did get some sort of taker, who would it be? I can't see a lottery level team wanting to take him for any reason at all. (Hell, would we want him?) ... and I can't see a playoff contender really wanting him on their bench. Even if they did, we'd be talking about a non-lottery pick anyway.
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I don't think the Cavs can unload Jamison because:
1. I doubt contending teams view him as someone to get them over the hump as a rotational player.
2. I doubt Grant wants to take back a truly bad contract for Jamison's expiring (and it has less value now because of the amnesty rule). And, I don't know if any team would be willing to give us anything worthwhile with a bad contract.
I think our best bets for trade assets are Ramon Sessions and Andy. They are the guys that contending teams may be willing to overpay for. If not, then we keep them and roll with it.
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You can get 2's with cash/assets because a lot of these teams just simply don't have room for a guy who's most likely not going to be very good.
The one team out there that we could make a deal for involving Sessions would be the Knicks, but they literally have nothing they could give us.
I think with the new rules and everything, trades are going to be a lot tougher unless they are players forcing themselves out like cp3 or dwight.
We'll end up staying pat, we'll probably have a lottery pick with bad odds, and we'll just hope for the best, and let Grant and his people do their homework.
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yeah im kinda thinking your both right thats why I asked. Sessions I wouldnt feel bad if we moved but I really dont want to see Andy be moved. I see Irving developing a good relationship with Andy right now (not to mention the guy is just pure hustle) kinda like LBJ had with Z.
Not totally postitive on this but isnt Andy the longest tenured player on the team now?
Maybe I overvalue Andy but I would want the Sky with a few clouds tossed in for him.
Seeing as how you guys have mentioned most of our trade partners would be playoff bound teams or just getting a horrid player/contract it doenst make any sense to make a trade from a team prospective.
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I don't think we'd get back equal value with Andy, because the team most likely picking him up would be a playoff team.
Why not just keep him? He's shown that he can still be the same player he's always been, I think he probably would want to stay as this thing is starting to turn around (worst is over)
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Andy's already 29. The Cavs are still a few years away from truly being a contender. Andy's nice to have in the short term but doesn't figure into the long-term plans at all.
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thats 1 of the reasons that I think the FO may trade him. As said above we wouldnt get fair value for him in a trade so why not keep him? Hes the player I really dont want to see traded but somehow deep down inside think hes the player that would get traded now if we did make a move. Lets hope that doesnt happen.  At the begining of the season I was thinking that Jamison Sessions and Andy would be the most likey to be moved in that order however now my thoughts have changed.
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Orlando could need Sessions with the way that Jameer is playing (or hurt) and teams are pressing them.
Sessions fits into the Brandon Bass trade exception, so they can just give us picks if we want.
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Sessions fits into the Brandon Bass trade exception, so they can just give us picks if we want.
of course, we could also use the Odom trade exception from the Lakers:
http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/news?slug=aw-wojnarowski_ramon_sessions_cavs_lakers_nba_013012
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that was interesting first Ive heard of it. I was thinking in the back of my mind about a 3 way deal between the lakers orlando and cavs but nothing made any sense to me. Now with what you posted I dont see anything on that front.
I was looking at Howard going to the Lakers and sessions and perhaps Andy to Orlando with us getting picks. Again nothing I could put together made any sense figured I was hitting the crack pipe to hard lol.
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It might make sense to trade Sessions .... because while he is signed beyond this year, he can opt out if he chooses.
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