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Where's the NEW news ? Nothing in that story that updates any progress..
A league source says we would like to keep him ? Thats the update ? Must be really slow at the press room....
Amen to that. Non-story.
I heard a rumor on the radio that Cinci might go after him. Take it all w/ a grain of salt . . .
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I don't even know how this is news... the Browns have always wanted Hillis back so long as the price was right. The reason we expected Hillis to leave is because he was on another planet in terms of his perceived value and we weren't budging.
Here's how it'll work: our lowball offer to Hillis will stand, he'll hit FA, shop himself around looking for his big payday and if he doesn't get an offer better than ours, he'll be back. That's how the situation was first described and that's how it still is...
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the Browns have always wanted Hillis back so long as the price was right.
That's not true. When he was moping around mid-season I didn't think there was any chance he would be back.
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: our lowball offer to Hillis will stand, he'll hit FA, shop himself around looking for his big payday and if he doesn't get an offer better than ours, he'll be back. That's how the situation was first described and that's how it still is...
Unless he takes a lesser offer to play for a better team . . .
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If Hillis hits the FA , he is gone !
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If Hillis hits the FA , he is gone !
I believe this to be true
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Hard to argue with that. I know if I were our "star" running back, and threatened to leave for FA that I wouldn't come back to sign the same deal. If nothing else, pride would get in my way, and that's me.
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If we re-sign D'Qwell Jackson, who would you rather franchise, Dawson or Hillis?
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If we re-sign D'Qwell Jackson, who would you rather franchise, Dawson or Hillis?
Heart says Dawson, everything else says Hillis.
Dawson might be more valuable by time this team is :::gasp::: ready to contend for a Super Bowl, but for the near future, it has to be Hillis. Just because this regime needs to start winning. I'm not on the "FIRE HOLGREM AND PAT SHERMAN!!!!" bandwagon, but still, this thing needs to start turning around and HIllis healthy and ready to go gives you a better shot.
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dang, and this entire time i believed akronjoe when he said hillis is already off the team because shurmur sucks so much and wont resign him
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I would be generous with incentive and elevators, but he needs to be reasonable. Love the brute, but be committed to realistic performance. That cranky hammy really didn't play well at all.
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Don't forget, the sticking point during the last negotiations with Hillis's agent was guaranteed money...I believe the Browns offered something like 4 million and Hillis wanted something like 10 million guaranteed.
Maybe the two sides can agree to meet in the middle, say 7 million guaranteed with some kind of incentive package folded in.
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Hmmm, that's a toughy for me. Franchising Hillis will be much more expensive than Dawson, which I don't really like. I don't think Hillis is worth top-5 RB money, even if it is for one year. The only plus side I see to that is it'll defuse the drama between Hillis and the front office, and they can tell him he needs to show them what he's got.
Can I take option 3 (Other)?
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Hillis showed me at the end of the season that he is still the player we had the previous year. I truly believe the Madden thing messed his head up. Then the injury and the pounding the media gave him, made it worse.
In that last game I saw him interacting with the other players on the sidelines, something that had been missing all year. IMO the bridges were burned, and all is good. If the hammy heals well in the offseason, I look for him to be a beast again.
Those saying he's not a top back are fools. This guy has the tools, and the quickness will return when the hammy heals. His hands are great and he is a very good blocker.
I love guys who throw around that crap..."RBs are a dime a dozen"....so are QBs. When you get a good back like Hillis you keep him. Spending a high draft choice on a RB when you can sign him is foolish.
Hillis, Oby, and Brandon Jackson is a good stable if you ask me. I also look for Smith to get in the picture this year.
To say backs like Hillis are a dime a dozen is a comment made by an idiot.
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I'm of the opinion that we shouldn't get rid of talent like Hillis when we have enough holes to fill already. But I don't think that decision is up to the Browns. I think Hillis has already made up his mind to leave. No real facts behind it, just my gut feeling. The guy REALLY wants to get paid, and we're not going to give him everything that he wants. I see him signing with another team for a marginal amount more than we offer, which will be a shame. Franchising Hillis is an interesting idea. Who knows if we will do that. It seems to me that the situation is either sign him or watch him leave. I dunno... 
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Those saying he's not a top back are fools. This guy has the tools, and the quickness will return when the hammy heals. His hands are great and he is a very good blocker.
I love guys who throw around that crap..."RBs are a dime a dozen"....so are QBs. When you get a good back like Hillis you keep him. Spending a high draft choice on a RB when you can sign him is foolish.
Hillis, Oby, and Brandon Jackson is a good stable if you ask me. I also look for Smith to get in the picture this year.
To say backs like Hillis are a dime a dozen is a comment made by an idiot.
From your lips to Gods ears. Thats where it's at. RB's are NOT a a dime a dozen.. not in college not in the pros not in middle school.. Not in pre school..
That is a fallacy. If you have a goooood running game all good things happen to you.
This board and way too many people are convinced that its a passing league. If I have shut down corners, and speed rushers you had better have a rushing game.
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They should Bring back Hillis. Yes.
Bring Back Hardesty. Bring Back Ogbonnaya.
Draft Lamicheal James in the 2nd. and Bring Brandon Jackson into camp.
trade,4 to 8, pick up #40 get Ryan T, Kenny Wright, LM James, Alam TaAmu, and Joe Adams, it IS! possible.
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From your lips to Gods ears. Thats where it's at. RB's are NOT a a dime a dozen.. not in college not in the pros not in middle school.. Not in pre school..
I agree 100%. Just like I said in the Draft forum.
I went through the last eleven drafts (2001-2011) to try and find out how easy it was to find a RB in rounds 3-7.
There were 161 RBs drafted, 14 of those have had a 1000 yard season (8.7%). Of those 14, only half had more than one 1000 yard season. (Charles, Gore, Jacobs, Turner, Dominack Davis/Williams, Westbrook, and Rudi Johnson). Seven out of 161 RBs draft in rounds 3-7 have had multiple 1000 yard seasons (Charles is the only of those RBs drafted in the past 6 years to have multiple).
That tells me that RBs aren't as easy to find as most seem to think.
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That tells me that RBs aren't as easy to find as most seem to think
It could also tell you that it's a passing league...... 
The Browns will sign Hillis if he backs off this exalted idea of his own worth. If not, then he's on his way. It's really as simple as that. That is assuming that he actually wants to stay. The answer to that we do not really know.
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I don't think he really cares where he is, as long as he's getting paid. Your first point is the main thing, and the second is pretty minor.
It's a good feeling to think that your star players have a special place in their heart for the city they play for, but let's be serious. They will talk a good game, but they'll follow the paycheck anywhere (Cleveland included).
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Did you include undrafted guys like Arian Foster, Willie Parker, Ryan Grant, BenJarvus Green-Ellis, LeGarette Blount, and Fred Jackson?
And is a 1000 yard seasons even that significant anymore? Most teams use more than one running back. There are many solid backs in the league that don't get 1000 yards but are very productive players (Michael Bush, Mike Tolbert, Felix Jones, Pierre Thomas, and Kendall Hunter all come to mind.)
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Did you include undrafted guys like Arian Foster, Willie Parker, Ryan Grant, BenJarvus Green-Ellis, LeGarette Blount, and Fred Jackson?
If he did, then he'd also have to include every UDFA running back who didn't ever have a 1000-yard season. Bet there's a few of those.
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And is a 1000 yard seasons even that significant anymore? Most teams use more than one running back. There are many solid backs in the league that don't get 1000 yards but are very productive players (Michael Bush, Mike Tolbert, Felix Jones, Pierre Thomas, and Kendall Hunter all come to mind.)
I guess that depends on what percentage of total team rushing yards that player accounts for vs what percentage of the total carries he gets. I'm sure a nice correlation could probably be found if one were inclined to take the time to do so.
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I know it is impossible to calculate. But when discussing whether or not running backs are a dime a dozen, don't you think undrafted players that have had success should at least get a mention?
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You also should factor in turf. Obviously guys that play at home in dome are prone to more yardage than guys that don't due to footing, and more consistent humidity. Please also look at the fact that teams further South get more sun so their sod will be harder (easier to run on) than Northern teams.
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I know it is impossible to calculate. But when discussing whether or not running backs are a dime a dozen, don't you think undrafted players that have had success should at least get a mention?
Sure, but so should all the undrafted players that haven't had success. You can't have it both ways. For every Arian Foster in the NFL, there are a hundred Chris Barclays.
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I know it is impossible to calculate. But when discussing whether or not running backs are a dime a dozen, don't you think undrafted players that have had success should at least get a mention?
Sure, but so should all the undrafted players that haven't had success. You can't have it both ways. For every Arian Foster in the NFL, there are a hundred Chris Barclays.
I agree with both of you but I think it's better to list teams starting RBs and assign points to where they were found.
So, Rice was a 2nd rounder, "2nd round RBs" category gets 1 pt.
If there is a multi-back team, like SD, then you assign 0.5pts to each RB.
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The sky actually has no color, it just appears blue from how the light is refracted and reflected in the atmosphere 
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Just a thought,, But, has anyone heard anything concrete that indicates the Browns ever LOST interest in Resigning Hillis?
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is that why he tantalized them with just 11 games of Kyrie Irving and they now get to watch him be better in the NBA than he was for them?
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Just a thought,, But, has anyone heard anything concrete that indicates the Browns ever LOST interest in Resigning Hillis?
Several posts on this very board swear with right hands to God that we don't want him anymore. How much harder can you get?
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Just a thought,, But, has anyone heard anything concrete that indicates the Browns ever LOST interest in Resigning Hillis?
Several posts on this very board swear with right hands to God that we don't want him anymore. How much harder can you get?
Oh,, silly me.
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Hope he can turn back to his old ways. Both on and off the field.
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Just a thought,, But, has anyone heard anything concrete that indicates the Browns ever LOST interest in Resigning Hillis?
Several posts on this very board swear with right hands to God that we don't want him anymore. How much harder can you get?
Oh,, silly me.
Everybody gets one, and that was yours.
Seriously though, anyone claiming we don't want him, can't back it up. To say anything publicly about not wanting him would assure we don't have him next year, which I'm sure you're well aware of. Some haven't thought about what it would mean in trying to sign him, or anyone for that matter, if we said we don't want someone. It's one thing to smokescreen during FA/draft time, but to name a player specifically as someone we don't want, isn't good business.
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LOL Just so you know,, I was attempting to have a little fun at your expense.  I haven't heard any confirmation that there was a time we didn't want him to return. Just the meanderings of the media.. So I'm just wondering, why all of a sudden is it a renewed interest? anyway, i want him back...
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A wise guy huh? I'll be watching you from now on. I want him back something terrible. In fact, I'm on the same bandwagon as ballpeen. The one with the signs saying only a simpleton wouldn't try hard to get him back. Such an effective word, simpleton
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A wise guy huh? I'll be watching you from now on.
I want him back something terrible. In fact, I'm on the same bandwagon as ballpeen. The one with the signs saying only a simpleton wouldn't try hard to get him back. Such an effective word, simpleton
Finally, someone that gets me 
One question,, maybe you can answer it. if 1000 yard RB's are a dime a dozen, how come every team doesn't have a couple?
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