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I see two possibilities - this reporter's interpretation aside:
1. He is pushing for more money and wants an agent that will get it for him - akin to what the author is stating.
2. He thinks that the agent is not representing Hillis' best interests/wishes - kinda like advising him to sit a game - and he's fed up with the guy and the fact that a long term deal isn't done already, so he wants someone that will quit screwing around and get it done.
While I can easily see #1 being the case, I kinda always got the impression of Hillis that he has enough humility about himself that #2 is very much just as likely.
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...in which case he can take the first train out of town and never look back.
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Either way he looks like a friggin' bone-head.
If he remains a Brown, THAT will be my nickname for him . . .
Nothing wrong with being a bonehead as long as he doesn't drop the ball, chews up some yards, and lays the wood on a few defenders. I suspect, though, that he's as good as gone.
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Yeah, I think 2 is more likely, especially with Jackson just getting his deal.
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Yeah, I think 2 is more likely, especially with Jackson just getting his deal.
Hey,, maybe that's it.. Maybe he's saying,, Dang, Jackson got it done,, why can't my agent?
LOL,,, serioiusly,, the browns have shown interest,.,, I think this is a simple case of "he wants more than we'll pay"
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I don't care jack about his agent.. i just want him back.
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Me too. We are absolutely a better team with Hillis on the field that we are with him off the field.
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me too
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As simple-minded as he's been, I still want him back too.
Come back bone-head!!!
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I guess if you wanted to be positive about it, maybe his agent was pushing him to "hold out" for more money, but he wants to sign quickly, so he's going to get someone who will be a more fair negotiator?
That doesn't fly for me, but I'm just trying to stay positive. 
You can try, but of all people, you know that isn't how it works.
If Hillis wants to sign, he'll sign.
I think Hillis has this idea as do some fans that agents are deal makers and he just hasn't found his deal maker.
Agents are a conduit between the player and the team...that's it. They don't magically make a $500,000 a year player a $1,000,000 a year player. Nor do they instruct players to hold out or sign. They simply advise the player if it is a good deal or a bad deal....and agents are pretty attune to going rates and such.
His dumping advisers as he had leads me to believe Peyton doesn't believe what they are telling him, as in the expectations are too high on Hillis' part.
I hope it works out as I'd like to keep him, but Peyton is a country boy so it's possible he has set his mind just as a Mule sometimes sets it's mind it isn't going to pull on the yoke anymore.
Hopefully it all works out....
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well, with this news- i would be shocked if he is a brown next year. First off, he has a five day cooling period, and then he needs to sign a new agent. Then the agent and the browns will essentially be starting over again in the negotiations. I would imagine the browns have a $$ figure thrown out there already, and Hillis didn't like it. I can't see a new agent really changing that number. Oh well, we are a better team with him, as long as he isn't a malcontent. But as we saw last year, he can be a distraction and not a team player. It seems like a weak bunch of freeagent runningbacks as well, his replacement will need to come in the draft. Or else hope Hardesty is good to go- and i'd hate to put him into the starting lineup without a solid backup.
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My gut feeling is Hillis is gone, and will end up with Pitt, or NE
My heart hopes he fired his agent because he wants to stay and finish his career here in Cleveland, and his agent was trying to get him to leave.
Either way I am ready to put this baby to bed. For better or worse I am just ready to know what we are doing.
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Ooof, until we know what happens, please lets not talk about Hillis in Pittsburgh. Getting sick to my stomach . . .
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Ooof, until we know what happens, please lets not talk about Hillis in Pittsburgh. Getting sick to my stomach . . .
But will you still call him bonehead?
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No, I'd call him [masked profanity] . . . Heckert: Browns want Hillis, but it will come down to the money Posted by Michael David Smith on March 1, 2012, 8:23 AM EST The Cleveland Browns are ready to let running back Peyton Hillis test free agency and won’t use the franchise tag to keep him, but that doesn’t mean they don’t want him back. Browns General Manager Tom Heckert told ESPN’s Josina Anderson that despite widespread reports during the 2011 season that Hillis was unhappy in Cleveland and the team was equally unhappy with him, the Browns would gladly bring Hillis back. But Heckert, who is continuing to work as he recovers from bypass surgery, hastened to add that they’ll only bring him back at the right price. “If we can work something out with Peyton we will,” Heckert said. “Did he have some rough patches during the season? Yes. Were there stretches where things were blown out of proportion? Yes. Honestly, I feel like a lot of that was blown up in the media. Now, of course things will still come down to the money, but we’ll just have to wait and see.” The big question about Hillis is what kind of contract will satisfy him, and what kind of contract a team will be willing to offer him. Hillis repeatedly changing agents suggests that he’s eager to get a big deal and impatient with his inability to get one, but the reality in the NFL right now is that teams are very cautious about giving big money to running backs. Especially running backs coming off seasons in which they gained just 587 yards on a career-low 3.6 yards a carry. Ultimately, it will come down to the money no matter where Hillis goes. And it may be significantly less money than Hillis wants.
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I totally agree with this!
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Me too. And I love how Heck called out the media . . .
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I think I'd rather use the tag then pay out for a long term deal on a guy who is going to wear out in the next 2-3 years.
We have plenty of money now -- it's not like using the tag in any way stops us from getting other FAs (unless our ownership is being cheap)
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tag = 8 millionish ( i heard)...no thanks
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I could've cared less before if we signed him or not, this seals it for me. ---------------------------------------------- Source: Peyton Hillis won't be tagged By Adam Schefter ESPN The Browns have made the decision not to use their franchise tag on running back Peyton Hillis, according to a source familiar with the situation. Throughout the past season, Hillis has wavered about whether he wants to continue playing football, and even considered joining the CIA, according to team sources. Hillis told Browns coaches as recently as the end of the season that he was contemplating retirement, though it now looks as if he will continue playing, the sources said. But Hillis has felt defeated throughout his time in football, whether it was being benched at Arkansas in favor of Felix Jones and Darren McFadden, being traded away from the Denver Broncos, or being unable to procure the long-term deal he desired in Cleveland. It led him to tell Cleveland's coaches that he didn't know whether he wanted to play football anymore. Now Hillis is about to become a free agent and test his value on the open market. AFC North blog ESPN.com's Jamison Hensley writes about all things AFC North in his division blog. Browns general manager Tom Heckert told ESPN's Josina Anderson on Wednesday that the team would like to keep Hillis if the contract is reasonable. "If we can work something out with Peyton (Hillis) we will," Heckert told ESPN. "Did he have some rough patches during the season? Yes. Were there stretches where things were blown out of proportion? Yes. Honestly, I feel like a lot of that was blown up in the media. Now, of course things will still come down to the money, but we'll just have to wait and see." Hillis and his agent Kennard McGuire have made the mutual decision to part ways. McGuire declined comment, and Hillis could not be reached for comment. web page
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I would pay him that.. He's worth it.
I'd rather sign him for a 3 year deal though.. The guy has gone against the odds and has proved he can run against the best.
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Throughout the past season, Hillis has wavered about whether he wants to continue playing football, and even considered joining the CIA, according to team sources.
Go after Mike Tolbert and draft a mid round speedster
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tag = 8 millionish ( i heard)...no thanks
where else are we going to use the money?
I mean - I understand if Lerner told Heckert "I know the cap is 120 million*, but you aren't allowed to spend more than 100M this year"
but otherwise - it's just cap money that disappears.
* (I'm making up the cap number, don't remember it offhand)
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where else are we going to use the money?
Use it on someone who deserves it, hopefully.
I wouldn't give him a penny over 3 million.
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Hillis has wavered about whether he wants to continue playing football, and even considered joining the CIA, according to team sources.
Hey, if he wants to serve our country, I'm not going to bash the guy.
But, at the same time:
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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tag = 8 millionish ( i heard)...no thanks
where else are we going to use the money?
I mean - I understand if Lerner told Heckert "I know the cap is 120 million*, but you aren't allowed to spend more than 100M this year"
but otherwise - it's just cap money that disappears.
* (I'm making up the cap number, don't remember it offhand)
oh i dont know...maybe a FA WR, LB, DE, RT, QB...etc etc
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Well, each team operates on a budget. The Browns aren't constantly throwing huge dollars at free agents year after year like the Cowboys and Deadskins, but they aren't the uber-cheapskates like Mike Brown and the owner of the Cards Bidwell. We're in the middle. We've spent big bucks on big free agents before, so while you did NOT call them cheapskates, you qualified a position by bringing it into the equation as a potential possibility. I don't think anyone can realistically call the Browns "cheap."
It's a pure air-grab number on my part, but I think if we give Hillis a two or three year deal, the average yearly money spent is gonna be around $3 million. That's $4.7 million less in 2012 which is money that could be budgeted for a quality starter. So I think tagging Hillis could impact our ability to get another free agent.
I think what we may agree on is that based purely on production he isn't worth $8 million a year, hehe.
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Go after Mike Tolbert and draft a mid round speedster
we've got Oggie. I'd be happy with Tolbert though. Very happy.
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I think what we may agree on is that based purely on production he isn't worth $8 million a year, hehe.
Oh, i completely agree with that -- but I expect that after FA this year, we'll be in the 10-15M under the cap range.
We can't get closer than that without jeopardizing our cap room for next year -- if we signed up to the cap this year, all of those deals would pay out even more next year, and we'd be in cap hell.
Historically, teams who have a ton of cap room at the beginning of the year never spend anything approaching it - it's really not possible the way contract values increase in the NFL.
I'd also like to get Hillis for about 3-year $9M -- but I don't think that's possible, and I'd rather franchise him at $8M this year - than sign a 3 year $15M deal and lock that money up longer term.
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Thinking about it a little more, if this is all true about him thinking about retirement or wanting to join the CIA, I think it's highly unlikely we'll re-sign him. Or, if we do, it'll be bargain basement with a ton of incentives. Just seems like maybe he's lost the drive to play the game.
Hey, if that's the case, I understand. Can't force the guy to play. But, the key would be if we release him and he immediately goes to another team, thereby proving he does have the heart and drive.
Or that he's a moron.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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I heard he picked the CIA after finding out that G.I. Joe wasn't real.
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I bet he has been in a terrible place mentally. Going from such a great season to such a crap one. He was/is probably depressed and just breaking down mentally.
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I bet he has been in a terrible place mentally. Going from such a great season to such a crap one. He was/is probably depressed and just breaking down mentally.
I agree, which is too bad. I hope he can get himself straight mentally. Switching agents over and over and then this stuff coming out sure points to someone with some mental issues, IMO.
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Heckert, who is continuing to work as he recovers from bypass surgery
Good God! I sat in a chair and didn't leave the house for two weeks after that surgery. It was a month before I was cleared to drive. Three months before I was cleared to go back to work. And I had no complications and did extremely well recovering.
Talk about a different cat. If Heckert is back in the office a week after bypass he's one tough S.O.B.
I didn't hear before that it was bypass surgery. I thought they'd just put a stint in which is an overnight stay and a couple days relaxing.
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I wouldn't be surprised if that's all it was but the media is blowing it up. I remember when my Grandpa had bypass surgery, he was down for the count for quite a while, too.
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He's an agent now A free agent.. not a CIA agent....
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Even that would be difficult. Believe me.
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