DawgTalkers.net Forums The Archives 2013 NFL Season NFL Draft (2013) Mour's Mock v.4

1. Colts QB Andrew Luck Stanford
2. Skins (from St. Louis) QB Robert Griffin III Baylor
3. Vikings OT Matt Kalil USC
4. Eagles (from Browns) WR Justin Blackmon OKST
5. Bucs CB Morris Claiborne LSU

6. Rams OT Jonathon Martin Stanford
7. Jags WR Kenny Wright Baylor
8. Panthers DT Fletcher Cox Miss St.
9. Phins DE Quinton Coples UNC
10. Bills OT Riley Reiff Iowa

11. Chiefs OLB Courtney Upshaw Bama
12. Bengals from Seahawks RB Trent Richardson Bama
13. Cardinals OG David Decastro Stanford
14. Cowboys CB Dre Kirkpatrick Bama
15. Browns from Eagles QB Ryan Tannehill Texas A&M

16. Jets DE Melvin Ingram South Carolina
17. Seahawks DE Nick Perry USC
18. Chargers OT Mike Adams Ohio St.
19. Bears WR Michael Floyd ND
20. Titans DT Michael Brockers LSU

21. Bengals CB Janoris Jenkins North Alabama
22. Browns OT Cordy Glenn Georgia
23. Lions CB Stephon Gilmore South Carolina
24. Steelers DT Dontari Poe Memphis
25. Denver DT Devon Still Penn St.

26. Texans WR Alshon Jeffery South Carolina
27. Pats CB Brandon Boykin Georgia
28. Packers DT Jerel Worthy Michigan St.
29. Ravens C Peter Konz C
30. 49ers WR Reuben Randall LSU
31. Pats LB Donta Hightower Bama
32. Giants LB Luke Kuechly BC

ROUND 2
33. Rams CB Chase Minnifield Virginia
34. Colts NT Josh Chapman Bama
35. Vikings LB Zach Brown UNC
36. Bucs RB Lamar Miller Miami
37. Browns DE Whitney Mercilus Illinois
38. Jags DE Vinny Curry Marshall
39. Rams from Skins WR Juron Criner Arizona
40. Panthers OT Zebrie Sanders FSU

41. Bills DT Brandon Thompson Clemson
42. Phins RB David Wilson Virginia Tech
43. Seahawks WR Stephen Hill Georgia Tech
44. Chiefs DT Alameda Ta'amu Wash.
45. Cowboys LB Bruce Irvin West Virginia

46. Browns from Eagles CB Josh Norman Costal Carolina
47. Jets OG Brandon Brooks Miami (Ohio)
48. Pats OG Kevin Zeitler Wisconsin
49. Chargers DE Cam Johnson Virginia
50. Bears TE Dwayne Allen Clemson

51. Browns from Eagles WR Dwight Jones UNC
52. Titans WR Joe Adams Arkansas
53. Seahawks from Bengals QB Brandon Weeden OKST
54. Lions OG Kelechi Osemele Iowa St.
55. Falcons CB Jayron Hosely VT

56. Steelers OT Mitchell Schwartz Cal
57. Broncos TE Coby Fleener Stanford
58. Texans DE/OLB Jonathan Massaquoi Troy
59. Saints S Markelle Martin OKST
60. Packers CB Coryell Judie Texas A&M

61. Ravens LB Vontaze Burfict ASU
62. 49ers DT Kendall Reyes UConn
63. Giants TE Ladarius Green La.-Lafayette
64. Pats LB Ronnell Lewis OKLA

Round 3

65. Colts WR Chris Givens Wake Forest
66. Rams LB Lavonte David Nebraska
67. Vikings RB Doug Martin Boise St.
68. Browns RB LaMichael James Oregon
69. Bucs TE Orson Charles GA.

70. Skins RB Isaiah Pead Cinn.
71. Jags LB Bobby Wagner Utah St.
72. Bills S Mark Barron Bama
73. Phins DE Jared Crick nebraska
74. Bears RB Chris Polk Washington


75. Chiefs DE Jaye Howard Florida
76. Seahawks RB/WR Chris Rainey Florida
77. Eagles QB Nick Foles Arizona
78. Jets FS George iloka Boise
79. Raiders Forfeited for being stupid

80. Chargers WR Marvin Jones Cal.
81. Bears DT Marcus Forston Miami
82. Cards DE Billy Winn Boise
83. Cowboys OT Bobbie Massie Mississippi
84. Titans LB Audie Cole NCST

85. Bengals S Antonio Allen South Carolina
86. Falcons LB Travis Lewis Oklahoma
87. Lions RB Lennon Creer Louisiana Tech
88. Steelers OG Lucas Nix Pitt
89. Broncos WR Tommy Streeter Miami

90. Texans NT Mike Martin Michigan
91. Saints DE Malik Jackon Tenn
92. Packers C Mike Brewster Ohio St.
93. 49ers QB Brock Osweiler ASU
94. Pats DE/OLB Jake Bequette Arkansas
95. Giants S Aaron Henry Wisconsin

If we got Cordy Glenn, Whitney Mercilus, Josh Norman, Dwight Jones, and Lamichael James then I wouldn't even mind that we took Tannehill first. I'd be happy with that.

Best mock I've seen so far, If you could make that happen, I'd write you in on my presidential ballot.

Looks pretty good Mourg,

There can be a good case made for all of your picks.

But give me Mitchell Schwartz at 51 and we are rollin

To move up, did the Eagles give us any picks next year to go with the ones we got this year?

Do you think the Seahawks have Weeden rated higher than Tannenhill? Just trying to understand why they would trade out of the 12 Hole with Tannenhill on the board and take a QB in the next round.

Well ...... I like the pick for us with our 2nd round pick ........

Daman for the eagles to trade up to 4 it would cost them their two 2nd round picks and might cost us one of our 4th rounders. Our 1st and 4th for their two 2nds comes out about right on the value chart.

I have the Seahawks trading down because more of value than anything. They can trade down get someone they really want and pick up an extra 2nd.

Ok, here's the criticism you've been waiting for

The Good:

- the trade was nice value once the 2 top QBs were off the board...I highly doubt the Eagles would do it but you never know

- Tannehill and Glenn are good values at their spot but both are somewhat risks...Tannehill only having played CFB QB for 1 season and Glenn because of his "weight issues"....in your scenario I would have picked Tannehill too but probably would have gone with Gilmore or Jeffery over Glenn...maybe even Curry...way too early for RT that could fail into a G if he opts to keep eating after getting a multi million dollar contract...don't like that risk (yes, I fell for Gilles years ago...another RT/G spec from Georgia with weight issues who busted for the Eagles, so maybe I'm biased)

The Meh:

- Mercilus over Curry after having taken 2 risks in the 1st? Me not like....give me Curry, who produced steadily season after season in College anyday over a 1 year wonder DE (how many of those never duplicated even in College or busted getting overdrafted as JRs?)...I like Mercilus as a calculated risk at 37 IF Curry was gone...but with him, Cam Johnson and Branch still on the board, it's a meh...my pick: DE Curry...this guy dominated the past 2 season (not easy to put up those stats on a .500 team, he killed it when Marshall actually had a lead and he got chances to produce), he's all hustle AND he had a good SR Bowl week....I won't overthink this one...Mercilus has perceived "higher ceiling" just because his floor isn't set yet...take the guy who's been there done that over a boom or bust

- small school hype player next? after 3 straight "risk" players? Feel lucky today Mourg? No way Jose....I would pick: OLB L.David....a fresh, healthy and more athletic version of DQ...another steady eddy over a lucky bag pick

- Not sure about D.Jones anymore after his "easy-going" offseason showing...with what you have left on the board I would go with WR Sanu (guess you forgot about him completely)

The bad:

- meh....Doug Martin would have been icing on the cake...with him gone I don't like a RB here, maybe Polk who represents decent value but not a huge fan but his style would fit in Cleveland...oh, and I don't like L.James...his ceiling is Felix Jones, he's vastly overrated imho...no way S Barron falls this far but he'd be my pick, more realistic option would be FS Iloka...another option I'd think about is RT Potter

So with your mock, my picks would be:

with what you left on the board I would double up on DE with Branch early 4th or take RT Potter (no way he falls though) or even OLB with Spence...1 of those 4th would go to RB or RT as of now...Gray, Bergstrom
So, my mock with your sceanrio would look like this:

QB Tannehill
CB Gilmore
DE Curry
OLB David
WR Sanu
S Barron
4th a RT Potter
4th b RB Gray/Pierce or WR J.Wright/TY Hilton or OLB Spence

I'd kill for that...no way it's going to happen though....but I'm starting to warm up to the idea of trading down looking at what it potentially brings us....but only if Luck and RG are gone...if Luck is there I would start to think that my docs missed something on his medical and if RG is there it'd take WAS something like 1st, 2nd, 3rd THIS and 1st and 3rd or 4th NEXT draft to jump those 2 spots...only THEN I would take the (perceived) "drop off" from RG to Tannehill

Yea i somehow forgot Sanu, didnt realize it but kept thinking damn I am forgetting someone.

I just keep thinking Glenn is the type that Heckert kept drafting in Philly and similar to Pashos.

The toughest decision was on Curry and Mercilus. More complete DE in Curry or the quicker edge rusher in Mercilus.

On James, I am not a huge fan of his and I would take Pierce over James but James just reminds me a lot of Brian Westbrook.

Eagles trading up was as much for fun as anything but they have been looking for a #1 since TO. I think the trade down will be with one of these 3, chiefs wanting to jump up for a LT, Eagles wanting a #1 WR or the Cowboys wanting Claiborne.

I am not an L. James fan either but can't put my finger on why. My head says he should fit the offensive scheme nicely, he is fast and explosive with the ball, good hands. Available in round 3? Should be good value. Why does my gut say something just isn't right? Especially if he reminds people of Westbrook.

Mercilus is a sure fire 1st round pick.. he won't be there in the 2nd..

so just change that w/ Vinny Curry...

and I'd rather stick w/ Colt than spend a 1st on a "project"..

hahahaha what

it's hard to take your mocks seriously with your man-love for Tannehill

So due to sucking this year and getting the #4 pick...along with missing out on a franchise WR we DESPERATELY needed last year to get an extra 1st rounder this year...we come away with:

1) another trade down
2) the THIRD best (arguably 4th or 5th best) QB
3) a RG

I don't care how good the rest of your mock looks, that's just gross.

A lot of you guys may not like Ryan Tannehill but I believe Heckert does. We have scouted this guy very heavily. We just tried to bring in his HC to run this offense. So please just stop trying to insult me with man love crap.

I put the kid in my mock because he along with Cordy Glenn are 2 of the most likely targets of the Browns. Glenn because he fits the Heckert OT profile and Tannehill because he is a prototype QB, with a big arm and has been in this very system his entire college career with fir 2 as receiver and the last 2 as QB.

i don't like Tannehill and wouldn't draft him before #37, but I agree that there is a decent chance that Heckert/Holmgren/Shurmur/Childress see potential in him they are willing to gamble on.

i'm just glad you at least put a trade down there and didn't have us take him at #4

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this very system his entire college career with fir 2 as receiver and the last 2 as QB.

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That's a conflicting statement Mourg, but also a reason for skepticism, because he has only played the position for two years.

Maybe he is a prodigy I don't know, but certainly a 1st round pick with only that to go on is a bit risky for many peoples taste.
Unless he is taken in the teens, after that I don't think there are going to be many teams in the QB market until Washington picks again at 36.
Assuming they would take RG3 ... I would feel better if we see if he might fall to 37 and use that 22nd pick on another.

The kid never attended WR meetings or WR film study sessions. He was studying film with the QBs and attending all of the QB meetings. The only time he was a receiver was on Saturdays.

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1. Colts QB Andrew Luck Stanford
2. Skins (from St. Louis) QB Robert Griffin III Baylor
3. Vikings OT Matt Kalil USC
4. Eagles (from Browns) WR Justin Blackmon OKST

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Man that's no fair...

Make V5 NO TRADE...

We r gonna butt heads till April over Tannehill...I don't like em'...That lack of experience at the College Level has proven huge in years past...And I'm stickin' with it...It's almost scary the failure rate of College QB's who've had fewer than 32 or 34 career starts...Can't remember the number but we've seen it before...I'm sure u remember it from past years draft discussions...Over that number of starts and the success rate is equally scary on the good side...It obviously means something...ALOT of something...

Way to risky to take Tannehill...

I'd much rather not go that far down...We need a STUD drafting this high...Whether it be RGIII...Claiborne...Blackmon...And if we move down...I only go as low as Jax at 7...They come up for Blackmon...And I would seriously consider going???...U won't like this...LOL...

Quinton Coples DE North Carolina...

Why???...The obvious need...The obvious value...DE's r one of those hard to finds...And I really didn't like what I saw in Carolina's Bowl Game...BUT...U don't forecast any player based on one game...AND...Virtually every single pundit at Senior Bowl week...Including the likes of Mayock & Brandt...Have spoken words such as "Unstoppable"..."Man amongst boys"..."Dominating"..."Stood out above the likes of Ingram and Upshaw even"...

Them's some pretty potent descriptions of any Defensive End...

Then again...I want to stay at 4 and take our chances with RGIII...IF we have this kid ranked 1-2-3...Or even 4 on our board as BPA...That means we think he can be the future of this franchise much like having Luck rated 1 or 2...IF that is the case...And considering POSITION of QB...We MUST make the deal to go to 2 and secure the QB...

Rule of 26-27-60 predicts NFL quarterback success, failure - John P. Lopez - SI.com
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/john_lopez/07/08/qb.rule/index.html

When I first saw this mock, I emailed a few of my buddies who are Philly fans and they all said that if Blackmon was on the board and they lost D Jackson in free agency, they would do that trade in a heart beat...With that being said, if H&H get that offer, I would hope that they see the same thing and make the trade down!!

3 picks in the top 37 or 5 in the top 51 (6 in 68), which is better??? IMHO, with all the holes this team has, they would be foolish not to trade down if offered such a deal.

I'm a firm believer to give Colt one more year...put some talent around him with 5 picks in the top 51 and if he doesn't succeed next year, we should have a decent enough base of core guys on this team to either A) sign a higher quality FA QB or B) combine some picks to move up to take a QB in the draft.

We could surround him with potential starters at WR, HB, RT, DE, LB, and CB with those 5 picks (6 in 68).

I think 7 at Jacksonville is too high for Wright, but I would definitely grab him at 15

Love Glenn at 22

37 pick Mercilus/Curry...definitely another solid pickup

I'm not sure of the CB from Coastal you picked at 46, I would think somewhere along the lines of a LB then with either Wagner or David

And at 51, I like what I have been hearing about the HB Martin (even if we resign Hillis as I am not a fan of Hardesty)

At 68, we could go BPA or pick a CB that can compete with Patterson/Skrine and Brown for that CB2 spot. We could flip flop 51 and 68 picks if we wanted to go with CB Hosley and Martin/LMJ at 68.

Obviously these picks are all interchangeable with who you like the best, but the one thing I do know is this...A trade like that allows us to fill some MAJOR needs this year in the draft. That draft, along with signing maybe one or two free agents that could come in a compete for starting jobs, could really turn this team around in a hurry.

would be the first team to ever trade down out of the top10 3 times in 4 seasons?

pretty sure that we're already the first to do it in 2 out of 3 years. if there's a market inequity out there and Heckert thinks that he's getting more value doing it, then that is fine. just noting how strange it would be to have done it 3/4 years when few teams ever do it at all.

This was my 4th mocks
1. I had Claibone and Coples I really do not like Coples
2. Tannehill and Zach Brown I have said before I wouldn't take Brown in any round.
3. Richardson and Mercilus I like both
4. Tannehill and Glenn I would not draft a RT with all the needs we have in the first round, I like Swartz just as good.

It's cool, I dont mind defending my thought process and I enjoy good debate.

Thats why I tend to not say to much in mock drafts I really like the insight into peoples thought on how thing would go and they do take alot of time into looking players and teams.

I saw a great deal of progression with Tannehill. The entire A&M team struggled down the stretch. They couldnt get the running game going and the receivers were horrible. I thought Tannehill was able to improve on his mechanics during that time and I also throught he showed improvement in his thought process in reading defenses.

From the end of the season to the bowl game, he made huge strides.

I believe he will be a prime target of the Browns but the big question will be where can they get him. That question will be awhile from being answered as it will really depend upon free agency and where Matt Flynn and Peyton Manning go.

What is worrying me is Manning to Miami stuff. That could produce a domino effect and Matt Flynn suddenly becomes the favorite to Cleveland. We end up skipping out on both RG3 and Tannehill.

If the Browns sign Flynn, I have to believe that means they like him better than RG3.

Or at a minimum they don't feel the difference between them is that great. Else I imagine we will do whatever it takes to land RG3.

In my mind the Browns need to make a decision and commit to it.....sign Flynn, do what it takes to get RG3, or roll with McCoy. If they make half hearted attempts for either Flynn or RG3 .....then that means they are willing to let both fall through the cracks.

I've been reading a ton of great things about Flynn. I really hope he's our target. Sign Flynn and FA WR and keep all our draft picks. Dream offseason.

I like Flynn but he scares me big time and it is nothing that is really his fault. It is just the history of these QBs that have a couple great games and get the big contracts. It just doesn't ever seem to work.

Just like RG3 and the small running Qbs out of the spread. The history is not great for success but the kid is fun to watch.

Tannehill has things to work on and he is raw and still learning but i actually have less worries with him as weird as that sounds.

Yeah there are so any question marks around these guys.

If we sign Flynn I'll be happy.

If we draft RG3 at 4 I'll be happy.

If we draft RG3 at #2 I'm going to be mildly annoyed because we gave up picks...and this from a guy who is very QB-centric. We must solve the QB puzzle to have any chance at success. I've been saying it for years. But something makes me uneasy about giving up picks this year.

If we do nothing and go with McCoy, it will probably be the first season I go into with really no excitement at all.

its strangly close to how I felt then when I went to wash board and saw all the rumors of them looking at McCoy I started to really rethink how I think of McCoy.
Not saying hes the man but how much I really dont know what he could become.
Is he Bree's or Quinn type of thoughts.

Of all the options we discuss, signing Flynn is the one I like the most. He does offer some track record and by selecting him we impact 3 positions rather than 2, or possibly just 1.

By signing him it allows us to use both of those first round picks on players who you would think could step in and make a impact.

I don't see the FO trading the #4 pick to move up. I have no concrete evidence to back that up it's just my Butch Davis gut feeling.

I also don't think they'll trade down out of the top ten. Probably not lower than 7, at that.

If the majority opinion, that neither RG3 or Luck will be available at 4, is in fact reality then that leaves either going after Flynn or someone in the Draft like Tannehill.

I personally see Flynn going to Miami with Philbin so that leaves a QB in the Draft.

Will Tannehill be there at 22 or will we have to move up? Do they even want Tannehill? Do they prefer to ride it out with Colt one more year and use our picks in the first three rounds to significantly improve the team as a whole?

Honestly, no one knows a thing even though a lot of guys on here think they do. But if I was a betting man (and if you took a look at my record when I'm in Vegas you'd know I'm not) I'd go with them using the picks as is and riding it out with Colt for one more year.

I realize that would not be a popular route to take but without knowing what they'll do in FA I'd say it may be the most likely.

Is it April yet?

I agree.

I don't know if the kid is Holcomb or what ...... but he's done next to nothing in the NFL. He's played a couple of games ..... but they have been spread out ..... and no one's had a chance to get any kind of read on his tendencies at all. Things change once that happens.

I still maintain that he has benefited immensely from the psychological letdown that accompanies the other team hearing that Aaron Rodgers isn't playing that week. The opposition expects an easy game .... so they take the game off. (and pay dearly for doing so) Contrary to popular belief, once a team (or defense) had taken the week off mentally, it's almost impossible for them to get "back" for the 2nd half.

I can see a team investing heavily in him and winding up with a decent QB ..... someone who can help the right team win a game here or there .... but not someone who can load the team on his shoulders and carry them down the field. I don't suspect that he will ever be much more than an average type QB .... and in today's NFL, with today's QB/passing game rules, if you have an average type QB, you really don't have a QB.

I watched Flynn's game against Detroit, and it pretty well convinced me I don't want him. I'd rather have him than Colt, but I wasn't impressed by Flynn's physical ability. Meh arm strength, and just good accuracy. Add in how little we've actually seen of him, and he's high-risk, medium/low-reward.