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If the rams move to 6, i think its a given that Kalil and Claiborne are gone.
it would go Luck, RGIII, Kalil -1,2,3. Claiborne to browns or bucs. Richardson would be in play for browns or bucs. Blackmon could go either spot as well.
So yeah, in a worse case trade down scenario the rams are left with Richardson, a RB they really don't need. Or stretch for the next left tackle. That potential scenario would not make them happy.
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Terrible discussion floating around the Gym this morning was Manning and Wayne to Arizona and Kolb to the Browns 
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The cynic in me has a bad feeling that's exactly what's going to happen.
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no way in heck that happens..
Kolb is garbage.. Heckert sure should be able to see that at this point. A team gets a guy and in just one year wants to get rid of him? No thanks.
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Kolb is a Heckert guy !
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Kolb is garbage..
Not totally true. This is where the System comes into play.
Kolb in Arizona was garbage.
Kolb stepping in for McNabb in the WCO in Philly wasn't bad at all.
Kolb back here in the WCO with decent receivers and the superb OLine we'll have after we get a real RT.... could be pretty damned good.
Of course, we don't know that Colt can't be equally as good.. but this would at least give Colt veteran competition (which apparently Wallace can't do... which tells us that we at least think Colt is better in the long run than Wallace).
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... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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SEASON TEAM GP CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD LNG INT FUM RAT
2007 PHI 1 0 0 0.0 0 0.00 0 0 0 1 0.0
2008 PHI 6 17 34 50.0 144 4.24 0 16 4 0 21.8
2009 PHI 5 62 96 64.6 741 7.72 4 71 3 1 88.9
2010 PHI 7 115 189 60.8 1,197 6.33 7 83 7 5 76.1
meh. kinda looks like Colt's numbers.
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Numbers don't mean squat... they won games with him.
In fact, didn't they make the playoffs at least one year when he had to step in and play - I'm thinking of the year that they were down to their 3rd string QB and just kept on rolling without missing a beat.
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including his AZ numbers because as much as people like to say he was garbage, he really wasn't any better/worse for AZ than he was for Philly. Code:
SEASON TEAM GP CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD LNG INT FUM RAT
2011 Arizona 9 146 253 57.7 1955 7.7 9 73 8 8 81.1
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http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/gamelog/_/id/10480/kevin-kolb2010: He was 3-4 2009: He was 2-1, beating Carolina (8-8) and KC (4-12). Eagles went 11-5. 2008: He was 0-1 in games he attempted more than 6 passes, losing 36-7 to the Ravens, passing 10-23. What were all these games he was winning?
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games started in Philly: 3-4 record
games started in AZ: 3-6 record
Is it Kolbs fault that the AZ defense didn't start playing well until the 2nd half of the year? Skelton was terrible for them, but Patterson had figured things out (he was getting creamed early on and was very good late) along with their front 7 getting much better pressure.
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Not sure... I guess that maybe I'm thinking of someone else??
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Jeff Garcia?
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I believe Heckert drafted him in Phily , no ?
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I believe Heckert drafted him in Phily , no ?
Yep. he was drafted in 2007, when Heckert and Shurmur were both with the Eagles IIRC.
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What was the sig bet? I don't remember this at all.
I like Schwartz. Could be a good pick in the 2nd or 3rd as a right tackle.
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Maybe... but it'd have to have been when he was there in '06, not '09.
There was one year that McNabb got hurt and the 2nd stringer stepped in (briefly) and did well, but then HE went down. So the third stringer came in and HE did well... they just kept rolling and winning and went to the playoffs.
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Maybe... but it'd have to have been when he was there in '06, not '09.
There was one year that McNabb got hurt and the 2nd stringer stepped in (briefly) and did well, but then HE went down. So the third stringer came in and HE did well... they just kept rolling and winning and went to the playoffs.
AJ Feeley. He then went to Miami for a 1st or a 2nd or something like that.
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He was traded to the Miami Dolphins in March 2004 in exchange for Miami's 2005 second round pick (used by Philadelphia to select wide receiver Reggie Brown), and was penciled in as the Dolphins' starting quarterback for 2004.
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pretty sure you are talking about 2006 McNabb sort of struggled, then Garcia took off like a rocket, AJ Feeley never started a game but put up really good numbers in the 2 games he got in. http://www.pro-football-reference.com/teams/phi/2006.htm
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my bad.. i forgot..
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it was who would be drafted first Tannehill or Bufict :P
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I think most teams will rate tier 1 with only 4 guys. Luck, RG3, Claiborne, Kalil
If you want one of those 4 it will be expensive.
I don't necessarily agree with this but I'll take the statement for what it is.
With it standing on it's own, the Browns could presumably use any one of them, Why would the Browns trade up to get any particular one of them? Any of them could be drafted by the Browns.
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Arizona and Kolb to the Browns
I could live with this. If it backfires, Barkley, Jones and the guy from Arkansas could all be options next year- each has a chance to be the next great thing.
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jc Interesting.... http://www.draftinsider.net/blog/?p=6198Post Combine Top 33 The combines are done and now we moves into pro-days. NFL draft boards are taking shape. So who are to top 33 players gracing draft boards. We’ve gotten some insight from around the league and this is how it stacks up for teams. 1.Andrew Luck-QB-Stanford 2.Robert Griffin-QB-Baylor 3.Dontari Poe-NT-Memphis 4.Melvin Ingram-OLB-South Carolina 5.Trent Richardson-RB- Alabama 6. Matt Kalil-OT-USC 7-Justin Blackmon-WR-Oklahoma State 8.Morris Claiborne-CB-LSU 9.Fletcher Cox-DT-Mississippi State 10.Quinton Coples-DE-North Carolina 11.David DeCastro-OG-Stanford 12.Dre’ Kirkpatrick-CB-Alabama 13.Michael Brockers-DT-LSU 14.Jonathan Martin-OT-Stanford 15.Michael Floyd-WR- Notre Dame 16.Cordy Glenn-OL-Georgia 17.Devon Still-DT- Penn State 18. Whitney Mercilus-DE- Illinois 19.Coby Fleener-TE- Stanford 20.Nick Perry-DE- USC 21.Luke Kuechly-LB- Boston College 22.Kevin Zeitler-OG- Wisconsin 23.Ryan Tannehill-QB- Texas A&M 24.Doug Martin-RB- Boise State 25.Jerel Worthy-DT- Michigan State 26.Bobby Wagner-LB- Utah State 27.Stephon Gilmore-CB- South Carolina 28.Kendall Wright-WR- Baylor 29.Dwayne Allen-TE- Clemson 30.Donta Hightower-LB- Alabama 31.Kendall Reyes-DT- UConn 32.Stephen Hill-WR- Georgia Tech 33.Riley Reiff-OG- Iowa Notes - Stanford has four players in the top 32. - Courtney Upshaw and Mark Barron are not ranked in the top 32. - Janoris Jenkins does not make the list. - Reiterating what we posted from Indianapolis, more and more teams starting to grade Riley Reiff as a guard. - This is not our list, rather a list from what a number of teams board(s) look like; don’t kill the messenger!!
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Not a bad list -- a few comments:
I love Ingram, but think only 3-4 teams will have him rated that highly.
Poe is really really dangerous that high - I just don't see the production on the field.
Drafting off that list, either Claiborne/Reiff or Kalil/Tannehill or would make me ecstatic.
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tough for me to argue with that list, except no Jenkins, but they do have Gilmore  . I know JJ is your favorite, Django.
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I don't know how he'd do there, but when I see Ingram standing around, he sure looks like a MLB/ILB to me.
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Talk about going gaga over the Combine.  Matt Kalil @ # 6 ... Reiff a guard ... no JJ ... Poe @ 3  Thanks for the funnies DJ. 
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Why would the Lions draft a QB in the first round?
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So they can sit him a year behind that bum Stafford. 
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With that in mind and assuming that we sign a FA WR ... my draft strategy would be to trade out of the # 4 with perhaps Seattle @ 12, Draft (JJ) Jenkins there and take Tannehill at 22.
I hope he does fall to us and I don't care if he is ready to come in and start or compete for the Job for a couple of years. It worked out pretty well for Rodgers and he was drafted two selections later.
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I really don't get the JJ love....I guess that's why teams don't have him in the top 20 or even 1st round....the guy has multiple red flags...he got busted with drugs twice already, got into a fight...has 3 or 4 kids already from different women....even Florida dropped him...hello McFly? any GM who hands a guy who has shown so little discipline millions of dollars is asking for trouble imho....I know he has said all the right things and been pretty straightforward...but if I was his agent I would have told him the same...I think he knew all along that he messed up but regardlessly did so again...I would not make that investment
He is Pacman v2.0...so, no thanks
He will probably get picked late 1st because of the weak ceiling-players in this class...I just hope it isn't us
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That's a pile of crap.
Smoking Pot in College doesn't mean that you are a bad person ... see Bill Clinton.
 Oh and he liked women too.
I personally do not see much separation between he and Claiborne's talents. I'm also not ready to condemn the young man for his mistakes and think that he is a lost cause either.
We know that he was caught, but do we know for a fact that others did not do the same yet where simply not caught in the act?
No we do not.
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Multiple kids doesn't stop Cromartie from being one of the better CBs in the league...
I'd be more worried about the MULTIPLE drug thing...
If you get caught once? OK whatever, but if you KEEP doing it, then thats a problem...
He can't help us on the field if he's suspended...
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Multiple kids doesn't stop Cromartie from being one of the better CBs in the league...
I'd be more worried about the MULTIPLE drug thing...
If you get caught once? OK whatever, but if you KEEP doing it, then thats a problem...
He can't help us on the field if he's suspended...
I agree, but the steaks are much higher for him once he is in the League and much more of a deterrence to using any banned substance.
If he came here and had the likes of Haden to mentor him ... I think he would be just fine.
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Just to play devil's advocate....if Haden, who was a year or two ahead of Jenkins at Florida, couldn't mentor him there, how is he going to do it here??
Joe was one of the leaders on that Gator team.
I like Jenkins as a player. As a person he isn't all that swell. I think he has a big head and has a me before team mentality. I think I pass. I think he will be a problem and just as soon let it be someone elses.
It's to bad, the kid can flat out play. For his sake I hope I am wrong and he had matured and straightened out a bit.
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Jenkins can flat out play.
He's one of the best smaller CBs I've seen in college football over the years.
He can ball.
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