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did you just see the mark sanchez deal?

NRTU....

I have ESPN on in the background and noticed that LaVonte David is now the #19 player overall on Mel Kiper's Big Board.

The media is beginning to catch up.

first Criner, now David? say it ain't so.

Since Tom is/was trying to trade for a RB I'm guessing they don't want to take Richardson at 4. No WR in FA so far, Tried to get a QB, That spells Tannehill or Blackmon to me. I'd bet Blackmon.

Or a CB. Remember Holmgren's admonition to the press .....

You all won't be too upset if we go defesne at #4, will you? (or words to that effect)

Yea,, Maybe.. but unless he pulls a WR we never heard of out of his hat or tries to get one later in the draft, I just don't think so. He HAS to know their is no way in heckard we go into this season without a MAJOR upgrade at that position. Maybe try to trade back and take a Floyd even but with the prices we see for FA WR's I think the "value" is there at 4 to take a Blackmon.

If we do go Tannehill at 4, it will be interesting to see how they go about finishing off the draft.

22. If Cordy Glenn is off the boards, BPA imho will be a corner in Kirkpatrick, Jefferies or Stephon Gilmore

37. Sanu or Jeffery or DE in Curry or Branch I think most teams are gonna run on OL and DL

We could see some real fine talent falling into late 2nd early 3rd.


3rd

I honestly would be shocked if we go WR at 4. I also would be shocked if we go with Tannehill at 4, because he is such a huge project. I would take Richardson, but we could well go Claiborne.

Tannehill, Gilmore, Sanu is about my worst (realistic) nightmare when it comes to this draft.

First two guys would be big reaches IMO and Sanu isn't the fit that I'd like us to add.

edit* make that Tannehill, Randle, Branch would be my worst realistic scenario.

Much rather see Claiborne first then K Wright second. Take care of those positions with top guys.

37 I think could be tough to fill the DE spot. I don't know what to make of Chandler Jones, guy had no production in college. I haven't gotten to watch him, though. Curry might be a safer pick but he's not a special athlete. I don't like Branch. Those Clemson guys don't tend to work out and he didn't impress me vs. Florida St at RE or LE.

Claiborne
K Wright
Curry

Blackmon
Mercilus
Boykin? Hosley? CB is a tough position to fill at 37. I don't like Gilmore, L Johnson, Minnefield, Robinson, or Bentley. Maybe at 37 I take a LB (David or Wagner) then double up on CBs later (Boykin or Hosley in 3rd, Brooks in 5th).

must have been that big bowl game that Arkansas played last weekend

Disappointing performance by Minnifield the story at Virginia Pro Day

By Rob Rang | The Sports Xchange/CBSSports.com



Representatives of all 32 NFL teams were on hand to see 17 former Cavalier football players work out Thursday at Virginia's Pro Day.

Pass rusher Cam Johnson enjoyed a strong workout and was asked to do drills as a linebacker and defensive lineman, according to a league source on the scene. The 6-3, 268 pounder elected not to run the 40-yard dash again after timing between 4.75-4.82 at the Combine. He did however, participate in the sixty yard shuttle and also elected to do the vertical and broad jumps again. Johnson was actually a half inch shorter Thursday in the vertical than he was in Indianapolis (35") but made a significant improvement in his broad jump, going from 8'09" at the Combine to 9'07" Thursday. Johnson also participated in the bench press after not doing this at the Combine due to a pectoral strain. He lifted the bar 16 times Tuesday.

According to the source, Johnson showed good overall athleticism in linebacker and defensive line drills, reinforcing the notion that teams operating out of a 3-4 defense will certainly be keeping tabs on the former UVA standout. Johnson is currently NFLDraftScout.com's No. 10 defensive end prospect for 2012. His versatility and experience having played both end in current head coach Mike London's 4-3 alignment as well as rush linebacker in former head coach Al Groh's 3-4 scheme is intriguing.

"I believe I have versatility and I think teams are looking for," Johnson told the official UVA athletic website following his workout. "I can play in space or with my hand in the dirt as well."

The news, unfortunately, wasn't so good for defensive back Chase Minnifield, who wasn't able to perform at the Combine (or the Chick-fil-A Bowl, for that matter) after recovering from post-season ankle surgery.

The 5'10, 183 pound Minnifield was clocked in the mid 4.6s in the 40-yard dash and complained about tightness in his hamstring.

According to the source, Minnifield did not participate in the shuttles or push himself in later drills. "It was not a good day for him," the source said.

The slow time by Minnifield in the 40-yard dash was not entirely unexpected, though scouts had hoped he'd do well. Some believe the 2011 All-American who leaves Virginia with 13 career interceptions might be better served moving to free safety in the NFL rather than remaining at the position he starred at throughout his collegiate career and the one his father -- Frank Minnifield -- played during a standout career with the Cleveland Browns.

Minnifield (Chase, not Frank) is currently ranked as NFLDraftScout.com's No. 11 cornerback for the 2012 draft. That ranking and/or the position in which he's rated could change following this disappointing performance. web page

Heckert.. get Minnifield in the 3rd.. he'll be worth it!!

Take him as late as you can but get him.

Thought this was pretty cool! Can't wait to see him in Brown and Orange!

Ok, I was already all good with the idea of Blackmon at #4, but watching that made me absolutely positive that he NEEDS to be the pick and Richardson shouldn't even be considered at #4 (and yes, I realize that the whole point of the show is to overly play a player's abilities up, but wow.. those are some impressive skills he showed... and great hands).

Claiborne and Trade Down are the only other options, IMO.

We are gonna neet that adjusting to bad passes and catching balls 3 feet behind him.

who what???

Andy Dalton threw behind or over AJ Green a ton last year. AJ adjusted ridiculously well and made catches that few WRs would have made. Therein, he bailed out Dalton and made him look better than he would have looked otherwise.

yeah, I was implying that he will be doing the same thing in Cleveland with Colt.

Should have thrown a ball to him at his numbers. I remember Braylon had a video out something like this to show his "great" hands.

That said.. I think he moves and adjust's much better than Edwards ever did. He always looked like his legs were a couple inches too long for his body and his brain couldn't adjust

Zebrie Sanders doing his best Tony Pashos impression.

why did they do that?

You mean Zebrie Sanders? I have no idea, I bet a few guys peed their pants when they watched that on film day. Can you imagine being in the interview room with some of these teams watching your footage and asking what was going through his mind at that time. I would love to hear the explanation..I laugh every time I watch it.

The Name lives on! Get him. We have gambled on a bunch less.

Now that's embarrassing

What the hell was he thinking

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Browns say they're OK at DB, not pushing QB
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By Steve Doerschuk

Apparently, Tim Tebow pines for those times in the Florida sunshine. The latest reports say he hopes he lands in Miami or Jacksonville.
It isn’t Tebow’s choice, since the Broncos will take the best dal they can get in a trade, but ...
We don’t sense many of you banging the drum to bring the young man to Ohio.
An NFL.com story raised the big Tebow-trade question: “Is it worth it to sell out, and blow up who you are?”
H&H have been and seem to keep on building methodically, unless the subject was, say, Robert Griffin III.
• • •
The Dolphins lost Chad Henne and have been shut out in the RG-III, Peyton Manning and Matt Flynn chases.
Fans, some wearing bags over their heads, gathered at the team complex to protest the team’s stagnation.
Miami’s records the last four years. Dating backward from 2011, have been 6-10, 7-9, 7-9 and 11-5.

Here: 4-12, 5-11, 5-11, 4-12. Here: The faithful are too worn out to march.
• • •
Now that Mike Adams has left for Denver, the Browns would seem to have depth issues at safety.
The man did spend the last five years as an important member of Cleveland’s secondary. He did start all 16 games last year.
If memory serves, he was even one of “davecow’s” favorite Browns.
On the cornerback front, Sheldon Brown can’t last forever, even if he has played most of forever (160 straight regular-season games).
Brown celebrated his 33rd birthday Monday, having made 32 consecutive starts for the Browns since arriving from Philadelphia.
Not to worry, Tom Heckert says.
He calls corner 27-year-old corner Dimitri Patterson, who re-signed recently, “a great nickel back” who can “start if he has to.” He calls 2011 Round 5 pick Buster Skrine “a very good young player.”
That leaves a cornerback group of Joe Haden, Brown, Patterson and Skrine, pending the draft.
If you recall, Usama Young was imported from New Orleans last summer to be the starting free safety. He limped through training camp and never passed Adams, but he has to now.
Indications are that T.J. Ward should come back strong from a foot injury that kayoed him for the second half of last season.
That leaves Ward, Young and 2011 Round 7 pick Eric Hagg as the pre-draft safeties.
“We think the secondary is gonna be OK,” Heckert said. waxing upbeat. “We really do.”
We don’t see him dipping into the draft for secondary help until the No. 37 pick at the earliest.
• • •
One way to size up Mike Holmgren’s handling of the quarterback job ...
He’s pushing it. He won’t force it.
In his mind, if our mind-reading is on point, he offered as much as he was going to for RG-III, and he judged he didn’t want to push up the price of Matt Flynn, which would have been necessary to keep him from choosing Seattle.
“Sometimes we have to be a little patient, because you can’t plug all the holes in the dike at the same time,” Holmgren said.
Holmgren signed on Jan. 5, 2010.
“When you’re building a program from scratch — and I’m saying we’re building it from scratch — it does take time,” he said.
It will take 8-8 this year, I think, to convince many of you that Holmgren hasn’t been wasting time.
“I expect the team to take a pretty good jump this year,” Holmgren said.
• • •
I don’t know how typical this point of view might be, but ... Tony Rizzo raised a few eyebrows this morning when he says he would hire Bernie Kosar as president if he were king.
One of the season-ticket holders quizzed Holmgren about Kosar last week. Why doesn’t Kosar get a crack at working with the QBs?
The meat of Holmgren’s answer: “We have really outstanding coaches here who are trying to teach a young quarterback a system.”
It was a Kosar answer but it was one in a recent series of clues that the ducks are being put in a row behind Colt McCoy.
Holmgren went on to say the Browns “did miss a couple things last year” on the quarterback development front. He thinks a full offseason and a beefed-up staff featuring Brad Childress are key elements that were missing in 2011.
He said the team doesn’t face many of the daunting issues it did last year, at which point he seemed to sense the season holders were raising THEIR eyebrows. He quickly added, “And we don’t have the excuses, either.”
• • •
Our sense is that Pat Shurmur has Holmgren’s blessing for at least 2012 and 2013.
At the same time, Holmgren is turning up the heat a bit as the team convened for the start of the offseason program.
“I gave a speech to the coaches and the players so everybody knows what I’m thinking and what my expectations are,” Holmgren said. “I don’t think it will make anybody work any harder, but it’s important to let them know how I feel.”
• • •
Our radio pal Vic says the Browns might play “Freeze Frame” every time Frostee Rucker gets a sack.
J. Geils wouldn’t have collected many royalties on Rucker’s account if that had been done in his first six NFL seasons, in which he totaled seven sacks.

I like our secondary but I think Brown is much better than given credit for. These guys played well without the big time pass rusher come from the blind side.

Hagg is a guy that was a real ball hawk in college. We saw the injured version last year but he did show a little at the end. Would love a free safety but I would probably wait until the 4th and get the fastest corner on the board and move him to safety. Chase Minnifield has a real shot to be there with our 4th.

Will add this article
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Draft Tip Sheet: Hard times for fullbacks, virtual lock at 1-2

By Len Pasquarelli | The Sports Xchange/CBSSports.com

Of the 30 running backs in attendance for the combine workouts in Indianapolis last month, only two -- Southern Cal's Rhett Ellison and Bradie Ewing of Wisconsin -- were branded as fullbacks. Two other "draftable" players were among the tight end invitees as H-backs.

The 2011 draft produced just five players at the position, none selected above the fourth round. Arguably the top rookie fullback in the NFL last season, Henry Hynoski of the New York Giants, was an undrafted free agent.

A former University of Pittsburgh standout, and onetime record-breaking prep running back, Hynoski, who pocketed a Super Bowl ring in his debut season in the NFL, had a nugget of advice for this year's fullback candidates.

Don't take it personally.

For the most part, the fullback prospects in 2012 have heeded the advice.

"It's a position that, in the minds of some people, is barely on the radar screen," said Ellison, a former tight end whose resume with the Trojans included one rushing attempt. "There are teams that don't have a fullback on the roster, and coaches who have [vowed] not to have one. But you can't let that get in your way. If you're a good football player, no matter the system, they'll find a place for you. I mean, you can't let it get to you. If you get a chance, make the most of it."


Maybe. But the fullback position in the NFL, while not quite extinct, is heading for dodo bird status.

Once a prominent position, fullback is an afterthought now, and a few general managers acknowledged to The Sports Xchange that they don't have a fullback candidate rated above the fifth round in the early "stacking" of their draft boards.

Some even suggested there might not be a fullback chosen in the lottery in two months. The success of Hynoski and others is both a blessing and a curse: An example to players that undrafted players can still make an impact, but also to talent evaluators that they can fill the fullback spot with low-round or undrafted players.

Or sometimes with players from other positions.

General managers used to suggest that some of the best tight end prospects were playing power forward in basketball. Well, some of the guys who will end up at fullback or H-back in the NFL were college tight ends.

"I'm probably being evaluated as much as a fullback, maybe even more so, than as a tight end," Alabama tight end Brad Smelley said. "Anymore, fullbacks come from some other position, so it's no big deal to me. If that's where scouts feel that I can most help some team, then fine."

Not only do fullback candidates sometimes come from other positions, but also from schools that typically aren't considered powerhouse programs. The top-rated fullback by NFLDraftScout's Rob Rang is Evan Rodriguez of Temple. The No. 2 prospect is UMass' Emil Igwenagu. Rang rates perhaps a handful of players as likely to be drafted at fullback. As usual, clubs will attempt to add some as free agents.

The position is not only about developing projects but also about being right in a projection for a player.

"I think they're looking for pretty [selfless] guys, players who want to win, but don't worry about getting all the credit," said Rodriquez, a former tight end. "It's what you think of when you consider the [fullback] position now."

Notebook

• There figure to be plenty of scouts heading this week to the pro day workouts of quarterback prospects Robert Griffin III (Wednesday) and Andrew Luck (Thursday), but, barring some sort of upset, it will be beyond surprising if the talent evaluators come away having changed their minds about the top two signal-callers.

Or about the order in which they will come off the draft board.

"I don't know that there's a lot that [Griffin] can do to leap-frog [Luck]," said one AFC general manager who plans to attend the workouts, even though his team has no shot at either player. "I don't know that you can go wrong with either one ... but I think Luck is the guy, and has been for some time, and I just think the Colts are being politically correct, that's all."

• Sources close to both Luck and the Colts insist that team officials have not yet begun contract discussions, even in a cursory manner, with the Stanford star and his representatives.

Then again, given the scale set by the new CBA, there really isn't a lot of wiggle room, even for the top choice. The No. 1 overall pick in the 2012 draft will be in line for a slight bump from the four-year, $22 million deal signed by Cam Newton as the top pick in 2011.

By virtue of having the initial pick in the draft, the Colts, of course, are technically permitted to begin negotiations. The strong conjecture is that the team will have an agreement in place with Luck well before the start of the draft.

• While the Luck and Griffin auditions have generated a deserved share of buzz, the workouts of two other quarterbacks in the next 10-day period may actually produce as much curiosity.

Ryan Tannehill of Texas A&M, who has been unable to do much because of his rehabilitation from a broken foot, will work out for scouts on March 29.

Arizona State's Brock Osweiler, who could not participate in the Sun Devils' pro day last week, will throw a day later.

The general feeling is that Tannehill, even with the injury, has separated himself from the other contenders -- Kirk Cousins of Michigan State, Osweiler, and Nick Foles of Arizona -- for the No. 3 spot in the draft pecking order.

Tannehill has been impressive in interviews and "at the chalkboard" for scouts, but is still relatively new to the position, and people are still anxious to see him throw. Tannehill's representatives told The Sports Xchange that the former A&M star is definitely on pace recovery-wise from his foot injury.

• The last word: "I'm a strong person, but you hear some of the stuff [being said about you], and it makes you even stronger. Whether you think it's fair or not, it puts a little bit of a chip on your shoulder. It's definitely a [motivating] force." -- Arizona State linebacker Vontaze Burfict, whose draft stock is believed to have dropped because of concerns about his temperament and poor workouts web page