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Pashos, who was set to make $3.35 million in 2012, will receive $1 million for injury protection per the collective bargaining agreement.
$1 million sounds like a pretty good deal. Heal up, train and get back to football in 2013. Good luck.
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It's ridiculous people are whining about this. He's out 9 to 10 months before he could even start training. He's getting a million to limp away. What are they supposed to do, keep the guy and just put him on IR? How stupid is that?
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It's ridiculous people are whining about this. He's out 9 to 10 months before he could even start training. He's getting a million to limp away. What are they supposed to do, keep the guy and just put him on IR? How stupid is that?
I think you're forgetting that he played while hurt. Therefore, he should be given the keys to the city.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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In any event, while I never like to see guys get cut, I don't feel bad for Pashos. I appreciate that he played hurt, but I don't see where that requires the team to keep him on the payroll?
For the people who are going to bash this FO no matter what, this is the FO's fault. For the people who are always going to support the FO, then this is Pasho's "fault".
IMO, Pashos was an injury liability at worst and a "maybe average" RT at best.
Don't get me wrong. I think Pashos sucked and was a waste of our time. I don't care that we cut him.
We should have done it a long time ago rather than wait until now.
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It's ridiculous people are whining about this. He's out 9 to 10 months before he could even start training. He's getting a million to limp away. What are they supposed to do, keep the guy and just put him on IR? How stupid is that?
I think you're forgetting that he played while hurt. Therefore, he should be given the keys to the city.
Yeah, silly me, what was I thinking?
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That they straight cut the guy who played through all of 2011 on a gimp foot. Waiting until he has the surgery to give him the boot.
It doesn't send the right message to the locker room that's for sure.
Why not negotiate a salary reduction?
Seems to me that they used him up and spit him out
held...nothing could be further from the truth.
The Browns stood by Pashos through all his injuries and there is no doubt in my mind that the Browns appreciated the fact that Pashos gutted it out last year, playing hurt.
Watching the play at RT last season, it became obvious to me that the RT position needed upgraded due to Pashos declining skills and his declining health.
The Browns offense is not going to improve if those positions that need upgraded are not addressed as soon as possible. IMO, the handwriting was on the wall for Pashos
It was just time for Pashos to move on...
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Very Viable option at RT Eric WinstonTexans informed RT Eric Winston of his release. The shocking move clears $5.5 million in salary cap space. Winston hasn't missed a start since his 2006 rookie season, and has been a key cog in the Texans' highly productive zone-blocking scheme. Winston was due $5.5 million in 2012 salary, but he won't have trouble receiving more on his next deal. Only 28 years old, Winston should appeal to other zone-blocking clubs like the Redskins. Pro Football Focus graded Winston as a top-six right tackle last season. He was 11th overall in PFF's rankings. Mar 12 - 6:54 PM
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Don't really know anything about him,, any good?
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I remember when he came out but haven't paid attention to him since then. Says he was a top 6 RT and top 11 overall or something like that. Never missed a game and is 28. All things I am game for at this point.
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Smith said Pashos had to wait until last Tuesday to have the surgery because of the ulcers.
I gather from this, his doctors told him they had to clear up the ulcers before any surgery could take place, hence the wait.
Ah, I didn't see that.
Makes sense then.
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Someone will pay Winston a lot of money to be their starting left tackle.
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And we have a very viable opening ... We got'ta get this guy
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I don't know if he's a LT, but I'd love to have him as our RT.
That would be an impressive line,
Thomas
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Wow. Either get rid of Steinbach, or redo his deal at a significant discount, and use his salary to help sign Winston.
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Either get rid of Steinbach, or redo his deal at a significant discount, and use his salary to help sign Winston.
I had the same exact thought.
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If we come away in Free agency with these guys I would be very happy.
Marques Colston
Eric Winston
David Hawthorne
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Could you imagine that line, plus a back like Richardson? (and it would be even better if we drafted Richardson and resigned Hillis)
McCoy could have all day to throw off of play action. We could have the best running game in the AFC.
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Could you imagine that line, plus a back like Richardson? (and it would be even better if we drafted Richardson and resigned Hillis)
McCoy could have all day to throw off of play action. We could have the best running game in the AFC.
I did a double take when I seen who wrote this! Nice to see a positive spin out of you! 
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I like people who wouldn't take Kalil at RT, because he's an LT -- but would take Winston, who is way lighter on his feet and less of a mauler than Kalil
I like Winston - has good foot motion, used to play TE in college before transitioning to LT. Not much of a mauler in the run game.
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Could you imagine that line, plus a back like Richardson? (and it would be even better if we drafted Richardson and resigned Hillis)
Where were you when I was posting that we needed to get a playmaker & I thought that TR was the best option in the top ten? I think he gives us the best chance to get a true playmaker & your right he will help Colt out. Glad that we finally agree on something 
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I think that the one player who would have been the most help to our team would have been RG3. I think he would have turned this offense, and team around, and would have helped break us out of our perpetual last place funk.
I honestly believe that he will be a Super Bowl QB, and could have been our Super Bowl QB, but he will now be the Redskins' Super Bowl QB instead.
That option is now gone. There really is no comparable option in the draft, or in free agency. All of the other candidates are heavily flawed.
I think that Claiborne is the best player we could take at 4, and ideally I would take him. However, I think for this team, if we are going to keep this QB, then we need to give him a ton of help. I would prefer a great CB over a great RB at 4 under almost every circumstance ..... except this one.
If McCoy is our QB, then we need to minimize his impact on the overall offense. That means that we need to run the ball effectively, and be able to let him make easy throws off of play action. That means drafting Richardson, resigning Hillis if possible, and having a stable of backs who can take the bulk of the pressure onto them and off of the QB. I think that having Richardson, Hillis, Jackson, Hardesty (if he can come all the way back) along with Marecic would almost be an embarrassment of riches. We could stay in 2 back and still have them as receiving threats in the game, we could ask any of them to block, and we could ask almost any of them to run. Perfect situation to support a struggling QB.
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I like people who wouldn't take Kalil at RT, because he's an LT -- but would take Winston, who is way lighter on his feet and less of a mauler than Kalil
I like Winston - has good foot motion, used to play TE in college before transitioning to LT. Not much of a mauler in the run game.
Light on your feet is what you want from an OT and he was not a liability for Houston and Foster last year in their running game.
What I like the most is that he is ready to come in and start, unlike perhaps a rookie.
Kalil is a LT ... Winston is a RT, there's your difference in a nut shell.
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Kalil is a LT ... Winston is a RT, there's your difference in a nut shell.
Why? Winston was an LT in college as well - as was almost every NFL RT.
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We already have Eric Winston on the roster, we just reference him by Steiny lol. TO light in the ass to fit this scheme.
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Why? Winston was an LT in college as well - as was almost every NFL RT.
I think Kalil is a cinch to be a LT at the next level and if Winston was LT material, then he would be a bargain for the Texans at 5.5 million and would never have been cut. JMHO 
Btw, I agree that many RT's where LT's in College.
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JC: About Tony Pashos,
I'm sorry he played on a hurt ankle last year, but I wanted the guy cut before training camp.
He'll make 4.5 million over two seasons by toughing it through last season and missing this season.
He's lucky he didn't get cut.............
I get the lockerroom thing: for these players, they're like a family.
But he missed most of 2010 and would have missed all last year had he need played. He woulda been cut anyway.
I admire him playing through it, but Heckert made a mistake in relying on the guy in the first place. Never liked the signing in the first place
So...... See ya later Tony
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I think Kalil is a cinch to be a LT at the next level and if Winston was LT material, then he would be a bargain for the Texans at 5.5 million and would never have been cut. JMHO
So is that a reason not to take Kalil at #4? He's too good? Or are you trying to make another point?
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Pasho's is Hecks kind of lineman, a slow clod who can't block.
Fraley was a slow clod, but he could block.....it's why Heck cut the guy.
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Pasho's is Hecks kind of lineman, a slow clod who can't block.
Fraley was a slow clod, but he could block.....it's why Heck cut the guy.
Haha, you seem to be on an anti-Heckert movement. Did this start all of a sudden?
I still like the guy a lot. I like his draft picks and I liked his signing of Dimitri Patterson and Sheldon Brown. We shall see
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I think Kalil is a cinch to be a LT at the next level and if Winston was LT material, then he would be a bargain for the Texans at 5.5 million and would never have been cut. JMHO
So is that a reason not to take Kalil at #4? He's too good? Or are you trying to make another point?
No I'm not trying to make any point on Kalil. I think that he is a LT and will be a good one too, but we don't need to spend a high selection on a LT, who is probably best left there.
I would try and trade the pick if we had that choice.
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In any event, while I never like to see guys get cut, I don't feel bad for Pashos. I appreciate that he played hurt, but I don't see where that requires the team to keep him on the payroll?
For the people who are going to bash this FO no matter what, this is the FO's fault. For the people who are always going to support the FO, then this is Pasho's "fault".
IMO, Pashos was an injury liability at worst and a "maybe average" RT at best.
Don't get me wrong. I think Pashos sucked and was a waste of our time. I don't care that we cut him.
We should have done it a long time ago rather than wait until now.
We shoulda cut him before 2011 started, but we didn't
Someone please correct me if I'm wrong, but once he got hurt, they couldn't cut him without reaching an injury settlement first.
Once he has received treatment and a prognosis, etc... then they can act on it.
As for the him playing hurt halooey..... this is football, they ALL play hurt.
Can't believe so many are letting their heartstrings get tugged by a sports agent.
Browns is the Browns
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Pasho's is Hecks kind of lineman, a slow clod who can't block.
Fraley was a slow clod, but he could block.....it's why Heck cut the guy.
Haha, you seem to be on an anti-Heckert movement. Did this start all of a sudden?
I still like the guy a lot. I like his draft picks and I liked his signing of Dimitri Patterson and Sheldon Brown. We shall see
I had some questions about the guy, but for me it was the bungled attempt at RGIII.
I know some say we simply lost a silent auction, I say bull.
All one has to do is think about it a moment.
All reports indicate we were going to send two first rounds plus swap picks. That is a clear indication RGIII was the guy we wanted and we went with what we thought was all in...in our minds we had our guy.
But we didn't think this through...we sat back with a smile on our face when what we needed to do was ask some questions.
Question: Why did we offer up 2-3 first rounders?(depends on how you want to add up the picks)
Answer: Because we were sure that is what the Skins were going to offer.
Question: Which team had the better offer on the table??
Answer: The Browns. We had a better pick at #4 and had another pick at #22, which is better than a future pick. Instant gratification for the Rams.
Question: How could the Skins make their offer better than ours?
Answer: Toss in another pick. It doesn't take a genius to figure out it was going to be a 2nd rounder.
So, Heck got lazy and didn't take this far enough. I'd bet we could have tossed in a 3rd rounder next year and we would have been in the drivers seat since nothing the Skins could offer this year could beat our hand.
Basically, Heckert allowed a 3rd round pick to kill the deal for the player the Browns really wanted.
That's why I am down on the goof right now.
This isn't me professing my love for RGIII....it's evident the Browns were professing their love for the guy by offering what we did.
So now we get to wait and watch. Either way it is going to suck. RGIII tears it up for the next decade and we are left wondering how things could of, should of been.
RGIII busts out....we can laugh at the Skins, but are still left with the uncomfortable feeling Heck had the guy targeted as our guy. We may have gotten lucky, but that doesn't change how all of this went down.
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All reports indicate we were going to send two first rounds plus swap picks. That is a clear indication RGIII was the guy we wanted and we went with what we thought was all in...in our minds we had our guy.
If that's true, yes, it's a clear indication that he was the guy we wanted.. IF IT"S TRUE..
What bugs me, and being a former judge, I'd think it would bother you also, is that people are making judgement calls on facts not in evidence.. (legal term I picked up watching Harrys law the other night,,, good huh? LOL) Maybe it should be the hearsay rule...LOL
Anyway, you know what I mean.. because someone says we offered all that doesn't mean we actually did.
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Yes. Best of luck for what you were able to give us. A million to get better is some help at least. But I am also glad to upgrade this position  and stabilize it as well.
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Reading that emotionally-stirred rhetoric, if you didn't know anything about football (by which I mean totally overvaluing Pashos in the first place and thinking he was the only player in the NFL with the passion- and moreso financial motivation- to play through pain) I could see how that might get you. It's when they see THIS gem that I get puzzled by irateness (and the agent being dumb enough to say, "dude just tryin' to feed his family!")
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 I know the guy was VERY slow on his feet and terrible protecting off the edge, but I doubt he'll be eating that much of it himself that the family goes unfed.
As for the on-field relevant part, this had to come sooner or later. He can't be banked on for a full season, was almost marginal at best when he was even healthy, isn't the answer long term for the most important position remaining on our offensive line, and wouldn't have even been available next year for his $3.35 mill. These guys are all (like most of us) at-will employees who can be fired for just about any reason. All of that above is a valid reason. The timing for him sucks, sure, but I'll be damned if I think about this so much as another second.
For Lyudokea....
Touched on it in another thread, but the reasons for no to Kalil (probably moot as the Vikes'd be crazy to go corner at 3 with a clear path to Ponders blindspot) boil mostly down to short vs. long term. Would he help us in pass protection for the duration of his rookie contract? Yes. But value-wise at No. 4 (let alone for a team devoid of play-makers at keynote skill positions), RT is about as little you can get. Beyond that, you can't bank on him just staying and being content at RT for the duration of his career. He will want prime-time LT money when he's set to hit the market. We won't be able to afford the Best LT, top 5 (feel like I might be stretching that some but he's a first rounder) C, and a fleet-footed RT. Even then, he wouldn't be ideal for getting significant push in the run game and could be a liability against some of the bigger DEs on the strong side. If he's there at four, IMO, you trade the pick as there would be significant interest in left-side solidity.
The same does apply to Claiborne- as far as not being able to sink so much money into one position- but I'm a bit more comfortable with the portability of a top-flight corner assuming we couldn't afford both him and Haden. Asante Samuel and Champ Bailey being salvaged for a first and a significant player of prominence, respectively, makes me feel slightly more okay with biting the bullet on a strict BPA basis (where I see Claiborne at No.4). Everyone at positions of need are a bit overvalued and not inspiring as far as value where we're picking. It's going to be an interesting draft as for once I literally don't have a semblance of a clue how it could go down in the first round.
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He's a guy trying to support his family
He's a guy who made over $6 million in the past 2 years, and will be paid $1 million this year. If his family isn't supported at this point ..... then there's something wrong.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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Pashos, who was set to make $3.35 million in 2012, will receive $1 million for injury protection per the collective bargaining agreement.
$1 million sounds like a pretty good deal. Heal up, train and get back to football in 2013. Good luck.
Of course it sounds good to you....you aren't the one taking a 60% + hit in pay....LOL
I can understand Pashos being upset about this...and in some ways I don't blame him. During the season you have the teams talk about the team as "family" and how they have to stick together as "family". And how they can't let anything break those bonds....and then the business aspect comes into play when one side buys into that and blows up that perception. Its the same with the Free Agent that leaves for money after the team supported and groomed him.
Pashos bought into the family concept and stepped up.
But you cannot fault the Browns for this move. Sure it is bad timing. And it is timing that the Browns could not help. The deadlines coincided with his surgery date along with other events. I wouldn't read anymore into it. People are looking for A lead to B which lead to C and then his release...I contend it really isn't there. A lot of teams are releasing players now as opposed to 2 months ago.
But as I said you cannot really fault the Browns for this move. He HAS been injured often for the last few years. And when he was 100% he was probably about 80% of what we needed. Much better than the guy he replaced, but not nearly as good as Ryan Tucker.
We often lambast players for their results on the field. I would at least like to take this time to say thank you to Pashos for the effort he gave this team. And for the fact that he gave himself to this team. In the end, that is all we can ask for. And we sould be glad and proud that Pashos did this at all times when he was here. If that doesn't translate into the results we need. Well then I am sorry, but someone else will come in to take your place.
Good Luck, Tony Pashos!!!! Get Healthy, and find your place in the NFL...
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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