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I'd like to add my .02 about RGIII
I think he will be a great player, just not in this offense.
Square peg meet Round Hole.
*think Kam Wimbley in a 3-4 when he was suited for a 4-3.
I can see us picking a QB in the 3rd or 4th round
My Guess is we stick it out with Colt for another year and get him some play makers (WR/RB) with the possibility of signing Hillis to a 4 year contract.
As it stands today my offseason dream would be:
Give Colt another year,
Sign Hillis,
Draft Blackmon or get a WR,
pick up a stud RT in FA or in rounds 2-3 of the draft.
Grab a DE with our second 1st round pick or a CB to replace "fall down" Sheldon Brown. pick up one or the other in FA.
For the first time in a long time, I feel like we are about 5-6 players (if Colt and Hillis turns out good seasons with us) away from being a really good team again. Every other year we have been 10-15 and even a few years of 20.
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So, we're a QB, a RB, a couple WRs, a RT, and a starting CB away from being a good team? Be still, my beating heart.
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QB is the most important position in football. There is no debate here.
LT is next and we have the best LT in football. That's pretty cool.
RDE is the next most important position and is crucial to causing turnovers and general disarray (south park!) on defense.
I really really wish there was a Coples who had the drive of Joe Thomas this year. #4 is prime position to take the top pass rusher in the draft. Unfortunately it's just not the case.
Luck is going #1.
Kalil or RG3 is going #2
Kalil or RG3 is going #3
Who goes #4. If I had to put money today it's Blackmon. 50% us, 50% Rams.
What's unfortunate is that it's a position of relative unimportance compared to other positions on the football field.
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Robert Griffin III will likely wait to throw February 21, 2012 Former Baylor quarterback Robert Griffin III said Monday he likely will not throw at the NFL scouting combine later this week, choosing to focus on team interviews, the 40-yard dash and other drills in Indianapolis. Griffin, who has been working extensively with quarterback consultant Terry Shea on his foot work, said he will instead save the throwing for his pro day March 21 (live stream on ESPN3), which has been moved up a day to avoid going at the same time as the pro day for fellow top quarterback prospect Andrew Luck. "Just getting used to the type of routes you have to throw at the next level," the dual-threat quarterback said of his work with Shea. "Basically just trying to find the best way to allow my skills to shine, whether that's my quick release or just my ability to drive the football down the field. "It's like a performance when it comes to your pro day and when you're throwing. It's exactly like a performance, you've just got to memorize the script and go out and execute to the best of your ability," he said. "Once you get drafted, you can go to your team and learn the grand scheme of things." Griffin was in Fort Worth on Monday night to accept the Davey O'Brien Award that recognizes the nation's top quarterback. Griffin said Monday he's excited to meet with teams to show them that Baylor's spread offense was more pro-style than gimmick. "I'm excited to wow (teams) in the interviews with the type of offense that (Baylor) run, just so they can understand it's not as simple as some people make our spread out to be. It's a different kind of spread," Griffin said. "Although I don't agree with it, but people say I just burst on the scene this year, so no one knows much about me, whether NFL GMs or analysts, so I get a chance to put my best foot forward." Running Baylor's spread offense, Griffin beat out Luck for the Heisman Trophy last fall to become Baylor's first Heisman winner. Griffin said whether he -- or Luck -- is picked first overall by the Indianapolis Colts on April 26 won't change him as a quarterback. "We both want to be the best, we both want to be No. 1. Whether I get drafted first or not, it's not going to change the way I play," Griffin said. "All I can say, it's about motivation. You never want to feel like everybody thinks you're a sure thing in life because it can rob you of your motivation to go out and get better." Griffin set or tied 54 school records in 41 games at Baylor, which last season tied a school record with 10 wins -- the other 10-win season was in 1980 during Mike Singletary's senior year. The Bears won their last six games in 2011, and the record-setting 67-56 victory over Washington in the Alamo Bowl was their first bowl victory since 1992. Griffin is the school's career passing leader, completing 800 of 1,192 passes (67 percent) for 10,366 yards and 78 touchdowns with 17 interceptions. His 2,254 yards and 33 TDs rushing are records for a Bears quarterback. Sure, those numbers were made possible by Baylor's offensive scheme. But Griffin said it was based on plenty of pro-style principles. "At first glance, they see four or five wide receivers, a lot of motion, a lot of different sets of formations," Griffin said. "If you take it from that aspect, it's exactly the same things that the pros do, go two-tight, four wide and two tight ends, and tight end at running back like the Patriots do." Griffin insisted he has no hints of what might happen on draft day, but said when he went to Indianapolis during Super Bowl week that fans there were telling him they wanted him to come there. He added that he hopes Peyton Manning stays in Indianapolis, because "he's a legend and deserves that." web page
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LOYALDAWG from Locked up thread... Quote:
I see a lot of articles and analyst say they will have to adjust some things around Griffin and change things up a bit. I just don't see them changing anything to fit a player in.
Change what???...Nothing needs to change...
U guys see this wildly athletic QB and think we need to change so he can run wild...BS...
A Non so-called WCO team could have designed rollouts and even option plays for em'...But it's not needed...
Griffin's NOT a 1 Read and take-off QB...His athleticism would be huge here in what they call Extending Plays...His Mobility allows him to side-step pressure...Roll right or left...And keep his eyes downfield...Buying precious seconds...And he's got the arm and accuracy to hit these guys as they break open...THAT's how u frustrate the hell out of any defense...
How many times in just this past year did we see McCoy vacate the pocket...Buy time...Only to MISS a WIDE OPEN receiver downfield???...The ability to do this and actually HIT your receiver downfield is what can WIN games in this league...Plays like that are back breakers...Momentum creators...
We don't have to change a damn thing with Griffin running this offense...And we don't need to turn him loose on option plays...NO NEED TO...He will create on his own when need be...
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Anybody think that the whole change the offense thing is the polite way of saying add pass patterns of >20 yards to take advantage of the beautiful deep ball that RGIII throws that we don't currently use because we don't have a Qb on our roster that throws deep well?
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Anybody think that the whole change the offense thing is the polite way of saying add pass patterns of >20 yards to take advantage of the beautiful deep ball that RGIII throws that we don't currently use because we don't have a Qb on our roster that throws deep well?
well, we should find some WRs who can get deep quickly too because we don't seem to have any of those either.
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If Griffin falls to pick four, I believe the Browns could trade down to six and let the Redskins take Griffin. At pick six, hopefully the Browns could land a Justin Blackmon, a Trent Richardson (RB Alabama), or worst case, a Riley Reiff (OT Iowa).
Hmmm where have I heard this before ... Plagiarism
Without the copyright I have no idea who the "smart one" really is.
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The only difference being that I also had Tannehill as a possible option.
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Cleveland Browns coach Pat Shurmur says it's premature to say team will opt for RG3 over Colt McCoy
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"I think what happens is, there's a lot that gets said and written at this time and it's very interesting to everyone,'' said Shurmur. "Folks are making predictions while we're still gathering information. That's the important part. That's the exciting thing about the Combine.''
Shurmur acknowledged, though, that looking forward to meeting RG3. Teams can conduct 15-minute private interviews with up to 60 players.
"First of all, I've never met the man,'' said Shurmur. "That's why this Combine is going to be so important for me. He's obviously very accomplished as a college quarterback and as we go through it all, we'll determine whether he's what everybody says he is.''
If the Browns decide not to draft RG3, they're confident McCoy can make huge strides in 2012.
"We're looking forward him to improving through the offseason,'' said Shurmur. "I think it will make a big difference in year two (of) me being here. I told him to prepare himself to get as much out of this offseason as possible. I'm expecting him to attack this offseason and get as good as he can get within our system. He really works at things and that's going to help him.''
Shurmur thinks McCoy can get dramatically better than he was in 2012, a season in which the Browns went 4-12 and scored one more point than the expansion team of 1999.
"I'm expecting that he will and the thing that's encouraging to me is that he's a guy you know it going to work at it,'' said Shurmur. "Heck, I think he can be very good. If he plays at a high level like I think he can, when he makes these improvements, that means he can help us win football games and I think that's what you're looking for at the end of the day -- put the ball in the end zone and win games.''
Shurmur said McCoy is fully recovered from his concussion and ready to do what it takes to improve.
"A lot of things that he needs to improve on can be done by just working on it,'' said Shurmur. "It's everything from decision-making to the timing of his throws to footwork and fundamentals.''
He said McCoy understands the business and that the Browns are evaluating other quarterbacks.
"I think all players live with the thought that you're bringing in other guys,'' he said.
Shurmur addressed a number of other topics during his interview. Afterwards, offensive coordinator Brad Childress addressed the media too:
* Shurmur said he'll call the plays, but collaborate with Childress, who will be upstairs.
* He said the Browns are willing to use the franchise tag on a number of players. A source told the Plain Dealer they'll franchise D'Qwell Jackson if they can't sign him to a multi-year deal. "He's a guy we want back,'' said Shurmur. If they do sign him, they have the option of using the tag on another player, such as kicker Phil Dawson or running back Peyton Hillis. Deadline for franchising a player is Mar. 5.
* Shurmur sounded very positive about Hillis, whom the team would like to re-sign. "I really liked what I saw when he was in there playing healthy.''
* He was noncommital about a role in 2012 for guard Eric Steinbach, who's recovering from back surgery and is due $6 million in 2012. He said he's working out, but didn't know his specific timetable. He said he still sees Jason Pinkston as a guard even if Steinbach is ready for fulltime duty.
* Shurmur spoke highly of free agent cornerback Dimitri Patterson and free agent safety Mike Adams, which indicates the team is trying to re-sign both of them. He said Patterson can be a starter, not just a nickelback.
* Shurmur sounded as though the Browns are leaning toward signing a veteran wide receiver in free agency. "It's important if you add leadership'' in every one of your position groups, he said. The key, he said, is that the veteran can still play.
* Childress said he "saw some great finishes by'' RG3 last year. He acknowledged that teams should play to a player's strengths.
* Childress said the fact that Texas A&M quarterback Ryan Tannehill played 30 games at wide receiver "speaks to his athleticism'' and hand-eye coordination. He said Tannehill would be more well-versed in the West Coast offense from working under Aggies coach Mike Sherman.
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* Shurmur sounded as though the Browns are leaning toward signing a veteran wide receiver in free agency. "It's important if you add leadership'' in every one of your position groups, he said. The key, he said, is that the veteran can still play.
Is Ocho available? I would pick him up.
Might sound wacky but I think it would work.
I think his ego was checked at the Patriots door.
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RGTrey without a deep threat is wasted. Like bringing a gun to a knife fight and using it as a club. Decide what we want to be, FO. He needs an accomplished FA, or two decent wideouts. But they depend on each other.
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Is Ocho available? I would pick him up.
Might sound wacky but I think it would work.
I think his ego was checked at the Patriots door.
completely different circumstances here vs the Pats. he went to the Pats who are a winner.. he had to take a back seat so to speak. Here, he'd be the king receiver. I'm pretty sure the ego would resurface pretty darn quick
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that and he couldn't get open enough for TOM BRADY to throw him the ball
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I'd get a check on his attitude, but I think that this is a case that I'd strongly consider signing T.O.
I soooo hate his persona, but he is absolutely one of the greatest WCO WR's of all time. He got his start and made his name in this offense.
I think he would respect Holmgren enough to hold his persona in check, though.
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Or, we could just draft Justin Blackmon.
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I'd get a check on his attitude, but I think that this is a case that I'd strongly consider signing T.O.
I soooo hate his persona, but he is absolutely one of the greatest WCO WR's of all time. He got his start and made his name in this offense.
I think he would respect Holmgren enough to hold his persona in check, though.
Wow...
What about building the team before getting a QB that's worth a chit???
U wanna sign a 35+ year old washed up WR for 1 year???
Wow...
Case closed with u as far as QB's r concerned...U just don't get it...Sad...
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I would probably quit watching the Browns if they signed TO or Chad.
Now as for the article Daman posted, it is hard to gain much from what was said but it was an interesting read for this time of year.
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Or, we could just draft Justin Blackmon.
Or plan B;
Pierre Garcon, WR, Indianapolis Colts:
Robert Meachem, WR, New Orleans Saints:
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Laurent Robinson, WR, Cowboys
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If Heckert is ok with TO I would be too. He has first hand experience wit hhim and can make a much more informed decision than any of us (and most other NFL decision makers).
As for Ocho, Seriously? He has name recognition and that is it. He isn't the same Wr that he was 5 years ago. He hasn't even been decent the past 3 years. Honestly I would take Massaquoi over him - attitude or no attitude.
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Pierre Garcon, WR, Indianapolis Colts:
Robert Meachem, WR, New Orleans Saints:
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Laurent Robinson, WR, Cowboys
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even if we got one of those, I'd still want to draft a WR. Criner in the 3rd might be good enough though.
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I just laughed for 10 minutes at the thought of signing Ocho and TO.
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If the Browns decide not to draft RG3, they're confident McCoy can make huge strides in 2012.
Evidently we aren't interested at all in Flynn or Tannehill. 
We need a pot stirring emoticon. 
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I just laughed for 10 minutes at the thought of signing Ocho and TO.
I threw up in my mouth.
I wish I could have laughed instead. It would have been much nicer.
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Or plan B;
Pierre Garcon, WR, Indianapolis Colts:
Robert Meachem, WR, New Orleans Saints:
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Laurent Robinson, WR, Cowboys
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even if we got one of those, I'd still want to draft a WR. Criner in the 3rd might be good enough though.
I agree on both accounts, but that is not as high a priority as getting a go to #1 target for our QB.
I agree with Mike Mayock in that the talent drops off steeply after the first 3-4 WR prospects this year and I'm still on the fence with #4 Sanu, that he could be more then just a complimentary receiver or worthy of first round consideration.
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I'm kinda on the bandwagon for WRs that its Blackmon or Jeffrey or bust...
That being said...if we drafted someone else, for a complimentary slot wr role...okay, but if we want a playmaker at WR, Blackmon or Jeffrey...
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I agree with Mike Mayock in that the talent drops off steeply after the first 3-4 WR prospects this year and I'm still on the fence with #4 Sanu, that he could be more then just a complimentary receiver or worthy of first round consideration.
I don't see ELITE out of the top group of receivers. Honestly, I would be just as happy if not happier with guys like Dwight jones, Joe Adams and Jordan White as I would be with Blackmon, Kenny Wright and Michael Floyd. I just don't see a high investment in receiver this year.
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I'm kinda on the bandwagon for WRs that its Blackmon or Jeffrey or bust...
That being said...if we drafted someone else, for a complimentary slot wr role...okay, but if we want a playmaker at WR, Blackmon or Jeffrey...
Bust = plan B?
I just worry that Jeffrey will eat his way out of the League in 3-4 years, but would be worth a gamble with pick 68.
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After considering all the discussion from the, we have to have RGIII proponents, I ask you this; Would any of you be as high about RGIII if Barkley were available? Personally I don't think so. Would it not be wiser to use this years multiple draft picks to solidify both lines and get some high quality talent in WR & RB, give Colt this year with the with the team and (Since it is obvious he can't be anymore than average) sell the farm next year to get a true "Franchise" quarterback in Barkley. Just my opinion, but I see Barkley being more worthy of the kind of trades everyone on here is talking about making, long before I would even consider RGIII. We have been waiting and hopeing way to long to settle for the flavor of the year to take a chance on a player i see as being, not much better, than what we already have. Here is the senario; 1) The new players get a full Off Season and regular season year to gell under newly installed coaching staff complete with OC, 2) Colt gets his final 16 games to prove all of the detractors right or wrong with no excuses 3) Should Colt truely fail, as all of the detractors have guaranteed, we will be drafting fairly high and we have a solid core of players for our "Franchise" QB to come in and be protected by. Just my 2 cents worth, I now return you to your regularly scheduled "GO BROWNS" conversations.
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Bang your gums? Wow ... that's the way to get a solid football discussion going.  As to what I think your question was ..... yes, I liked RG3 even when Barkley was in the mix.
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It's ok, I don't need your approval, and I'm not at all convinced that you get it, either... so we're on even ground  The thinking is that it brings in a solid veteran WR that already knows this offense as well as any player in the league and has a superior proven record with it. IF the coaches and FO are ok with him, and IF they feel he has enough left in the tank.... heck yeah, I would actually be quite Ok with this.
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Should Colt truely fail, as all of the detractors have guaranteed, we will be drafting fairly high and we have a solid core of players for our "Franchise" QB to come in and be protected by.
Good luck prying the #1 pick away from a team that's there because they suck...And most likely need Barkley themselves ala Indy and Luck...
Teams hopefully don't forecast like that...Next year...No...Don't think so...
Then comes the same thing as is being said now...NO TRADE because we have too many holes to fill...
When the opportunity stares u in the face...And u need a QB...And U LIKE SAID QB...U go for it...
Read that one again...U LIKE SAID QB...IF we like Griffin u go get em'...
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If we like Griffin.
The more I read and the more I see what coaching mobves we make, we may be intent on giving Colt another year with a couple of better players added to the mix.
But yep, if we like Griffin, and HAVE to move up, then move up. We'll know if someone is trying to move up. The Rams aren't going to keep that secret...they want us in the bidding.
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Or, we could just draft Justin Blackmon.
Do you think Blackmon is a stud receiver or maybe the best of a group that lacks a little??
Serious question.
My feeling is Blackmon is a bit like Little...a big guy with good enough hands. I just think the guy plays a little slow, or maybe I should say he doesn't play fast. Does that make sense.
At least for me, I am hoping we add a little more speed opposite Little, who I think is on his way to being a plus receiver in the league.
A few years ago I was real excited about Calvin Johnson. I just don't feel the same about Blackmon. I think I would rather have Floyd or Sanu who we could get later in round 1.
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Personally I do think that Blackmon is a stud receiver. Super stud like Calvin Johnson or Fitzgerald? No but in that 2nd tier like Andre Johnson. I am not yet sure where this past year's rookie's will fall out. I think Green will be in that top tier and Jones in the 2nd group. Blackmon may time slow in the 40 but he doesn't play slow. When he catches the ball he runs away from people (sometimes through them) and doesn't get caught from behind. I can see why you would compare Blackmon to Little. Both are big strong muscular guys. Blackmon is a much better route runner. Blackmon is also much better than Little at using his body to shield the defender to make himself open. And Blackmon is much better at going up and getting the ball. (As I am re-reading what I wrote, I am imagining Justin Blackmon saying that, talking in 3rd person) Quote:
At least for me, I am hoping we add a little more speed opposite Little, who I think is on his way to being a plus receiver in the league.
I would agree that this would be nice. Floyd and Sanu are not the answer if this is you primary goal when looking to draft a wr this year. If you want to improve speed at wr then you are looking at Kendal Wright, Jarius Wright or Joe Adams. Kendall Wright will be tough for us to get. #4 is too high but I think that he is gone by #22. Trade down from 4, get extra picks and take him or trade up from 22? If we want him I think that is what we need to do. The 2 Arkansas receivers probably go 3rd or 4th round.
If we do not sign a quality young Wr in free agancy (Stevie Johnson any one?) then I would not be opposed to drafting both Blackmon and Jarius Wright or Joe Adams. If we do sign a FA Wr then I would still look to draft one of those speed guys.
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Do you think Blackmon is a stud receiver or maybe the best of a group that lacks a little??
Serious question.
My feeling is Blackmon is a bit like Little...a big guy with good enough hands. I just think the guy plays a little slow, or maybe I should say he doesn't play fast. Does that make sense.
At least for me, I am hoping we add a little more speed opposite Little, who I think is on his way to being a plus receiver in the league.
I really, really do think he's a stud receiver. I just watched OK State v. Arizona a couple days ago on ESPN3D, I'm hoping to put up some game recaps of draft prospects over the next few days for the games I recorded and watched for the prospects (so far Nebraska/South Carolina, Arizona/OK State, Clemson/FSU). During the AZ/OKSt game, the announcer made a comparison between Blackmon and TO and it's impossible to not see when you watch him shrug off the coverage and run away from guys. Anyway, I'll save all that for later.
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But yep, if we like Griffin, and HAVE to move up, then move up. We'll know if someone is trying to move up. The Rams aren't going to keep that secret...they want us in the bidding.
It depends on how much you like him... you have to think he is significantly better (almost sure thing franchise QB better) to make it worth moving up.. heck you have to think he is significantly better to take him at 4 in the first place. You don't use the #4 pick in the draft or the #4 pick combined with other high picks to get marginally better at a position... so they could like him, but IMHO they have to really love him to trade up and like him a whole lot to take him at #4.
As for Blackmon, I think he is better than Little but I think he is head and shoulders above Cribbs/Norwood/Whoever... and that's the thing about WRs, you play with more than one at a time.. so Blackmon wouldn't be replacing Little, he would be complimenting him and pushing one of the other guys off the field... I think Blackmon has much better hands and greater athletic ability at going to get the ball.. and he is great with the ball after the catch.
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Or, we could just draft Justin Blackmon.
Do you think Blackmon is a stud receiver or maybe the best of a group that lacks a little??
Serious question.
My feeling is Blackmon is a bit like Little...a big guy with good enough hands. I just think the guy plays a little slow, or maybe I should say he doesn't play fast. Does that make sense.
At least for me, I am hoping we add a little more speed opposite Little, who I think is on his way to being a plus receiver in the league.
A few years ago I was real excited about Calvin Johnson. I just don't feel the same about Blackmon. I think I would rather have Floyd or Sanu who we could get later in round 1.
Floyd and Sanu are sloooooooow possession receivers too.
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