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I appreciate Jester and your opinions.
I don't doubt he is good. Just not sure if he is #4 good, but you have seen him way more than I.
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1) I'm not a draft guru by any stretch of the imagination. As everyone knows, I am a Blackmon fan. In the games of his I watched, I didn't see anything that would lead me to believe he WON'T be a stud WR in this league. Now is he worth the # 4 pick? To me he is, but that's my very biased opinion. I won't be mad if we draft someone else who the FO feels is better.
2) Back to the point of this topic, RGIII. I saw nothing of him in college (outside of highlights and that ridiculous bowl game for a few minutes), so I can't say he's worth it or not. I know I think that I'd rather get 2 first rounders out of this draft than just one. But, if RGIII is our Manning or Brady, then he's worth it.
I just don't want to sacrifice high picks next year. If we're going to lose some picks this year, fine. I just don't want us to not be able to put some good young pieces around him next year.
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I don't doubt he is good. Just not sure if he is #4 good, but you have seen him way more than I.
I had a flippen dream last night...
We Signed???
Mario Williams...
We took???
Claiborne at 4...
Joe Adams in Rnd 3...
Go Browns!!!
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signing Mario Williams would make our draft look really good.
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I appreciate Jester and your opinions.
I don't doubt he is good. Just not sure if he is #4 good, but you have seen him way more than I.
I had a flippen dream last night...
We Signed???
Mario Williams...
We took???
Claiborne at 4...
Joe Adams in Rnd 3...
that's the same dream that Dick Jauron has every night.
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Personally I do think that Blackmon is a stud receiver. Super stud like Calvin Johnson or Fitzgerald? No but in that 2nd tier like Andre Johnson.
Umm when did the league's best receiver become 2nd tier? Johnson was hampered with a hamstring injury last year but he is still the best in the league at gaining separation and has never had a halfway decent #2. If Blackmon had Johnson's hands, route running ability and explosion, he would be the #1 prospect in this draft.
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If Blackmon had Johnson's hands, route running ability and explosion, he would be the #1 prospect in this draft.
Why? Andre Johnson has his hands, route running ability and explosion and he went #3 behind Carson Palmer and Charles Rogers... just as Blackmon will probably go 3-5 behind a QB or two and a potential franchise LT...
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And if my aunt had nuts she'd be my uncle.
I don't think it's fair to compare Blackmon to Fitz, Megatron or Andre Johnson. Those guys are elite elite elite. Even I'm not going to say he's on par with those guys. But, not many are, not even AJ Green, IMO.
But, again, IMO, I think he is a difference maker and a playmaker. I'd have no problem taking him at number 4. But, as I said before, I'm biased.
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I appreciate Jester and your opinions.
I don't doubt he is good. Just not sure if he is #4 good, but you have seen him way more than I.
I had a flippen dream last night...
We Signed???
Mario Williams...
We took???
Claiborne at 4...
Joe Adams in Rnd 3...
It had to have made going out in public w/ no clothes on so much easier . . . 
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I don't think it's fair to compare Blackmon to Fitz, Megatron or Andre Johnson. Those guys are elite elite elite. Even I'm not going to say he's on par with those guys. But, not many are, not even AJ Green, IMO.
Of course it's fair.. yes they are the cream of the crop but all 3 of the ones you listed went 2 or 3 in the draft which is where we are discussing taking Blackmon... if we were discussing taking him 10-15 then compare him to others taken in that range. If we take him at 4 and he turns out to be just a shade less than those guys I think we will still have done ok but who else are we supposed to compare him to?
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I posted about this very scenario a week or so ago. Overpay for Mario and add Claiborne, move Brown over to FS and add a Danny Trevathon or someone with similar skills in the middle of the draft and you have a defense good enough to get you to the Super Bowl.
22 and 37 who knows work the draft and maybe come out of there with Tannehill and Cordy Glenn.
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Just a general reply...
Did you ever notice how most threads become QB threads? This thread was a QB thread...Its very interesting to see how things change directions.
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WOW, I hadn't even noticed til you pointed it out. Bizarre . . .
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Personally I do think that Blackmon is a stud receiver. Super stud like Calvin Johnson or Fitzgerald? No but in that 2nd tier like Andre Johnson.
Umm when did the league's best receiver become 2nd tier? Johnson was hampered with a hamstring injury last year but he is still the best in the league at gaining separation and has never had a halfway decent #2. If Blackmon had Johnson's hands, route running ability and explosion, he would be the #1 prospect in this draft.
I think he was referring to him as a prospect some years back -- where he was less touted than Rogers.
Honestly I don't remember this draft well enough to have any firm ideas on what people thought of Johnson though.
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Honestly I don't remember this draft well enough to have any firm ideas on what people thought of Johnson though.
They thought he was a 220 lb wr that ran a 4.3.
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Honestly I don't remember this draft well enough to have any firm ideas on what people thought of Johnson though.
If anybody but the Raiders would have had the #1 pick, he probably would have been the #1 pick in the draft... but they took Jamarcus Russell.. ... then the Lions took Johnson, then we took some OL guy.....
Do you remember what they said about Adrian Peterson in the draft? Well Calvin Johnson went 5 spots ahead of him to a team whose best RB option was Kevin Jones. 
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i believe he was talking about Andre there not Calvin
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Yeah - sorry, Andre Johnson -- I remember Calvin being #1 on almost everybody's big board.
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Guessing this is in the combine thread, but since this is the RG3 thread. Or one of the thousands we have going I'd post it here . . . Height not a problem for Robert Griffin III Posted by Michael David Smith on February 24, 2012, 9:14 AM EST Robert Griffin III measures up just fine to be an NFL quarterback. Before the Scouting Combine some concerns were raised that Griffin, Baylor’s Heisman-Trophy winning quarterback, was too short for the position. But Griffin was measured today, and according to multiple reporters on the scene, Griffin came in at six feet, two and three-eighths inches. There was talk that Griffin might be shorter than the 6-foot-2 that Baylor listed him as, but the reality that he’s almost half an inch taller than that should put to bed any concerns about his height. It’s fair to ask whether height ever should have been a concern in the first place. Griffin was a giant on the field at Baylor, and 6-foot-0 quarterbacks like Drew Brees and Michael Vick have called into question whether the premium that scouts put on height at the quarterback position is misplaced. Now all 32 teams know exactly how tall Griffin is.
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Thats it ! Im sold. 3/8" is gonna make the difference. 
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J/C Thought this would go well here: 1. The Rams are open for a trade: With the second pick in the draft, the St. Louis Rams could be very active this week in fielding offers for teams interested in trading up for Baylor quarterback Robert Griffin III. Seahawks general manager John Schneider, who has either the 11th or 12th pick in the draft depending on Friday's coin flip, thinks the Seahawks are too far away from the No. 2 pick to make a deal. Plus, the Rams are in the same division as Seattle, and they wouldn't want to give Griffin to a rival. That leaves the Browns, Redskins and Dolphins as teams in the draft with a top-10 pick that could go after Griffin. The Browns draft No. 4 and might have to give up their other pick in the first round. The Redskins draft sixth, and because they aren't interested in unsigned Green Bay backup quarterback Matt Flynn, what would make sense is working on a trade to get something done as early as this week. If the Redskins made the right offers this week -- and we have had draft-choice trades made before the trade deadline and at the combine -- the Redskins could get to No. 2. The two main options for the Redskins are Griffin or Manning. http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_/id/7607498/rams-fielding-offers-no-2-pick-essentially-rg3
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I still think we're good for another 280 mentions of the pictures of RG3 and Luck side by side at the Heisman ceremony between now and the draft . . .
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ABF, dude, you GOTTA change your sig!
You need to add today's date to it as well. I thought there'd be no way in Hell Griffin would measure 6'2 and 3/8th's.
That is an extremely pleasant surprise for me.
As a side note, it's crazy to envision that 2" on a guy's height would make a world of difference, but in the NFL, it truly does.
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As a side note, it's crazy to envision that 2" on a guy's height would make a world of difference, but in the NFL, it truly does.
At least it does for armchair GMs.
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6' 2 1/2" and 223...Sounds good 2 me...
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Well, yes, and no. Sure, it makes for great message board banter, but why is that? Because it has no merit in the real world? No, it's only an issue for us because it's an issue for the real gm's.
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Then why was he the likely #2 pick before he was measured and the likely #2 pick after he was measured? The same teams that were talked about moving up for him before are the ones being talked about it now. Is he going to cost more draft picks now that people know he is 6'2"+ when they thought he might be 6'1"?
I think this conversation would carry more weight if the Colts decided to draft RGIII over Luck due to him coming in over 6'2", but in reality absolutely nothing has changed.
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Yep, that answers that question.
Some people laughed when I posted that picture of Griffin standing beside Luck and said that they were about the same height ... with Luck being maybe half an inch taller.
Wanna bet that Luck comes in about 6'3"?
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This would not happen, IMO, but what if, due to the combine and pro days, the Colts fall in love with RGIII and draft him. Could you imagine the ridiculous bidding war for the no. 2 slot?
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6' 2 1/2" and 223...Sounds good 2 me...
Way to exaggerate and give him that extra 1/8"... sheesh, you RGIII pimps will stop at nothing.
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This would not happen, IMO, but what if, due to the combine and pro days, the Colts fall in love with RGIII and draft him. Could you imagine the ridiculous bidding war for the no. 2 slot?
And Kiper gets yet another shot at the Colts FO...lmao...1994 Part II...
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Because mobile QB's have a much greater ability to mask their lack of height and/or size. However, if the larger discussion is about QB's in general, take a fringe 1st rounder who was advertised at 6'3 but measures in around 6'1. That'd make a difference to the GM's. We have one of those here, and by all accounts we're looking to replace him, partially because of his size and the problem's created by it.
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Note the article talking about the Redskins wanting to make a trade for #2 now. That makes sense from their perspective (ie they probably want RGIII more than Manning for cap/health/longevity reasons). I cannot imagine the Browns getting involved in a pre-draft bidding war and thus, if Washington offers a good package, the Rams may have to take it or risk being left with no offers on draft day.
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He measured 6'4".
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Oh well .... 1 out of 2 ain't bad. It didn't look like they had that much of a difference in height. Height shouldn't be a problem in either case. Prior to the combine, I was kinda thinking ...... "What happens if RG3 comes in at 6' even, and Luck comes in at 6'1"?
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Just a general question. Why do they always exaggerate height or so it seems in college? Osweiler measured 6'6" but ASU listed him at 6'8".
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When I saw the pic of him standing next to luck I always felt he was more 6'3 than 6'1
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I almost think that some schools take a player's word on it .......
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Because they want their players to be bigger in the media guide.
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