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My top 4 in this draft are:
Luck
RG3
Claiborne
Richardson
Then I would look at a guy like Blackmon. However, I do not feel that his ability is significantly above the standard, while I do feel that the other 4 players do have talent and ability significantly above standard.
He's got good, but not great size. He runs decent routes, He does have excellent hands. However, he is not as explosive off the LOS as most of the premiere WRs in the NFL are. He lacks elite speed, but he is fast enough to have a solid NFL career.
In short, he has the makings of a solid, very good NFL player, but will probably, IMHO, never be a great NFL player. He'll probably hand around the periphery of the top 10 range in a lot of categories, but I don't think that he'll be a top 10 type receiver.
I can see a guy like AJ Green putting up top 10 seasons, especially after putting up almost 1100 yards as a rookie with a rookie QB. I see Blackmon more like a Dez Bryant ...... a good WR .... but not a top talent in the league. A really good receiver, but not a great one. A guy who will contribute to a good team, but never be the difference between that team winning or losing.
I think he should be if he goes 4th in the draft.
When I look at RG3, I see a guy with premium skills and abilities that exceed the norm. I see him as a guy who can develop into a top 5 QB in the NFL. I see a guy with elite accuracy, elite deep ball ability, exceptional running ability, superb intelligence and excellent leadership ability ........ and great physical talent overall. I see him as easily the 2nd best player in this draft, for all of those reasons.
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Blackmon wants to jump up the board, he best change his mind and start running the 40. The big question on him is speed and the lack there of. By ducking out of the combines, it does nothing to help his stock. I really love Blackmon as a prospect but he just looks doesn't look all that fast.
I think Kenny Wright has a chance to jump Blackmon this weekened. With the new rules on the defenseless receiver and his blazing speed combined with great hands, he has a real chance to make it top 10. If you notice in all of those RG3 big TD passes, it seemed like Wright was the guy making that big catch. They are one of the great combinations.
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As an unapologetic Blackmon fan, I have to say that I don't remember ever seeing him get chased down from behind if he had a step on a guy. Maybe it happened and I don't remember. That's entirely possible. But, I just didn't see the speed problem that a lot of guys have mentioned.
I don't think him not running at the combine hurt him. Heck, if Indy is as slow as some say, maybe it would have hurt him if he DID run at the combine.
Since speed is his biggest knock, I think it's smart for him to run somewhere where he's going to be at his fastest.
A question for you guys. What 40 time would you want to see out of Blackmon to erase your doubts?
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At 217 pounds, I would want a minimum of 4.55 in the 40. Calvin johnson borrowed shoes and ran a 4.38 on that surface. Julio ran something like a 4.39 and Green ran right at 4.5 I believe. The only people that run slow at the combines are people that are slow.
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He's going to run at his Pro Day. Which means he better run a 4.4.
I don't understandhim not running at the Combine, QBs wait to throw at their Pro Days because they can control the routes and WRs and look better...
What can he control at his Pro Day that will make him run faster?
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Not only that, but you can always redeem yourself if you run a bad time at the combine by running faster at your private workout. I see no reason for a guy who needs a fast time not to run at the combine.
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Blackmon wants to jump up the board, he best change his mind and start running the 40. The big question on him is speed and the lack there of. By ducking out of the combines, it does nothing to help his stock. I really love Blackmon as a prospect but he just looks doesn't look all that fast.
I think Kenny Wright has a chance to jump Blackmon this weekened. With the new rules on the defenseless receiver and his blazing speed combined with great hands, he has a real chance to make it top 10. If you notice in all of those RG3 big TD passes, it seemed like Wright was the guy making that big catch. They are one of the great combinations.
I'm not concerned that Blackmon won't run the 40: at the combine. It's seems to be acceptable for the top QB to not pass at the combine, so why should it bother you or anyone that the #1 WR in this draft won't run the 40: at the combine? there are far too many double standards around hear for my liking of late and too much is made of the 40: times (unless your AL Davis).
Yeah he doesn't look that fast ... Until the ball is in his hands and he's not only fast, but he is also elusive and a load to bring down for a WR.
I've said it before and I'll say it again.
He plays bigger then he measures and if he measured 6'3" or more, then we wouldn't be having this conversation now.
I didn't care what Griffen's height was before and I could care less that Blackmon is not 6'4".
For all that the combination of Griffen and Wright achieved. The Combination of Weeden and Blackmon was better.
I like Wright too, but I think he will need to be used in motion to help him out at the LOS.
If Blackmon has any warts it would be with his inexperience running the routes that they did not ask Weeden to make on a regular basis, like the deep out or deep comeback. I don't worry about him not being fast enough and most of the time in our offense it's more important to run the short and medium routes and go across the middle something his attributes lends itself to. More so then Wright.
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Blackmon is free to run a bad 40 time so we can draft both RG3 at 4 at him at 22 
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lol, that would make me spontaneously combust with joy. I don't see any way Blackmon falls past the Rams (wherever they pick) or Jacksonville.
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Well I believe he said he has a pulled hammy. IIRC so too did AJ Green last year and he ran, but not to his liking.
Some where even saying, because Jones ran a faster 40: that he was the better talent. I never bought into that rhetoric and it never swayed my opinion for a moment.
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Jones also ran a great 40 with a broken foot... Just saying...
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Yes he did, but it was not like it was a compound fracture and obviously his 40: time was not effected by it, but It still did not make him the better prospect. Although it sure didn't hurt his draft stock and in a round about way it probably helped ours, because of the trade. Perhaps Atlanta might not have had to trade up so high, but that's hard to speculate on.
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Just shows what a 40 time is worth........
It's hard for me to believe Heckert would have taken the trade with the Falcons had AJ Green been there. That guy's a stud and he has no issues getting open and catching deep passes
Man was I upset when I saw the Bengals pick AJ Green. That trade down made my day
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I believe Heckert was targeting Green and Peterson. I think the plan was: if one of those 2 falls to us we take him, if neither trade down with Atlanta. It would be interesting to know what he would have done had both fallen.
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Dammit...the Rams are pretty happy now
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Maybe they will throw turf in at FedEx Field and he can dazzle all the Redskin fans with that blazing speed. 
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Ah hell, why couldn't he have run a 4.6 or something.
It wouldn't have effected my opinion of him ... but it wouldn't have been just one more thing for other teams to lust over.
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It's gonna take at least both first rounders and a mid round pick and probably more to get RGIII. I would say three first round picks.
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It's gonna take at least both first rounders and a mid round pick and probably more to get RGIII. I would say three first round picks.
The rumor is that Washington has offered 1,2,3 this year, and a 1st next year. Won't know if there's any truth to that for two months, but I certainly wouldn't pay it.
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It's gonna take at least both first rounders and a mid round pick and probably more to get RGIII. I would say three first round picks.
The rumor is that Washington has offered 1,2,3 this year, and a 1st next year. Won't know if there's any truth to that for two months, but I certainly wouldn't pay it.
think about what it would take for us to beat that offer (and yeah, we have the ammunition to do so)
Probably our 4, 22 and our second rounder + either our third rounder this year or a second and/or maybe even our 1st next year.
I like RG3,, everything I've seen on him,, the interviews, the speed, his attitude.., what's not to like. but damn, that's a hefty price to pay when it means you can't get the other pieces to help him be successful...
I said it yesterday and I'm sticking to it.. if the Browns have a plan to move up to get him and still put SOLID pieces around him quickly (like this year), I'm good with it.. I just don't see it possible.
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Here's the video of RGIII running the 40... link
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The rumor is that Washington has offered 1,2,3 this year, and a 1st next year. Won't know if there's any truth to that for two months, but I certainly wouldn't pay it.
Our 1st THIS draft is more valuable to the Rams than WAS's 1st next season...that also covers their 3rd imho (in math: our #22 = WAS 1st 2013 + 3rd 2012) and our 1st and 2nd are ahead of theirs
max we'd have to pay would be #4+ #22# + #37....still think our #22 and a 4th will be enough ultimately...we'd still have an entire draft class (pick in every round) and all picks in 2013
You want a QB? That's the price....or a 0-2 win season...and nobody wants that
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max we'd have to pay would be #4+ #22# + #37....still think our #22 and a 4th will be enough ultimately...we'd still have an entire draft class (pick in every round) and all picks in 2013
In the end, you may be right,, But as of this moment, I think you are dreaming.. no way that 2nd pick goes that cheap...
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Mayock presses Griffin on not throwing at Scouting Combine
Posted by Mike Florio on February 26, 2012, 1:07 PM EST
On Saturday, NFL Network’s Mike Mayock looked into the camera and pleaded with Andrew Luck, Robert Griffin III, and Justin Blackmon to fully participate in the Scouting Combine workouts on Sunday.
On Sunday, Griffin visited the main NFLN set at Lucas Oil Stadium, and Mayock pressed the Heisman winner on his decision not to throw passes to the assembled receivers.
“I thought it was in my best interests not to come and throw to guys I haven’t thrown to before, running a game plan I’m not familiar with, and in an environment that I’m not prepared for,” Griffin said in response to a question from host Rich Eisen regarding the decision not to show off a multi-million-dollar arm. “So I’ll do it at my Pro Day, it kind of helps out the guys at Baylor that are coming out, they can get more scouts there and watch us do our thing.”
(Actually, Griffin could have thrown at the Combine and at his Pro Day.)
Mayock then pressed Griffin a bit, pointing out that Griffin said “I’m a competitor” in audio that played before the interview. “Don’t your juices get going a little bit when all the boys are throwing out there and you’re standing there in sweats?” Mayock said. “Every decision maker in the league is here. Don’t you just want to get there and rip it?”
“I really did,” Griffin said. “I kept inching forward. The Cleveland coach was telling me he could see it in me. He saw that I wanted to be out there throwing.”
The question of the team for which Griffin will be throwing come September remains wide open. Griffin said that his Combine interviews included sit-downs with the Browns, Dolphins, Redskins, and Chiefs.
But not the Seahawks.
“Ah, that’s the team that’s gonna move up and take him!” Mayock said, pointing out that the Broncos and former coach Mike Shanahan showed no interest whatsoever in Jay Cutler before trading up with, coincidentally, the Rams to draft Cutler in 2006.
Though Griffin’s decision not to throw won’t affect his draft stock, it would have made the Sunday afternoon games of the underwear Olympiad slightly more interesting.
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But not the Seahawks.
He also said the Vikes, Jags and Bills. No on the Rams, and they didn't ask about Indy, though one has to assume the answer to that was Yes.
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Ah hell, why couldn't he have run a 4.6 or something.
It wouldn't have effected my opinion of him ... but it wouldn't have been just one more thing for other teams to lust over.
Luck ran an "official" 4.67 which is pretty darn good, but nothing compared to RG3s "official" 4.41
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I agree, it will only take our #4 and #22. People need to factor in the Rams dropping to #6 will all but guarantee they lose out on Kalil and Blackmon.
If STL drops to #4 they will get one of the two guys they like.
We have the best option to go after RG3, which is why IMO WAS is going to go after a FA QB, either Flynn or Manning(assuming he is healthy or signs a contract that is heavily incentive laden.)
WAS is going to have to give up the entire draft plus #1 next year to be able to trump us. At that price we would say no, but as crazy as Snyder is I don't see him doing that.
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I like Tannehill...I really do...after all, I was the biggest Gabbert pimp here a year ago but Luck and RG3 are just more day 1 ready and esp. RG has that wow factor this franchise is lacking imho
Long term I think sky's the limit for Tannehill...he could very well end up the best QB out of this class but there's a lot of projection involved and I just don't know if he's the right guy for the state the Browns, the FO, the coaches and the fans...really the hole franchise is...
So, I'm not sure Browns-Tannehill is the best fit...for both that is...but if we sign a Campbell and miss out on Luck/RG I'm all for drafting him...especially after a trade down for additional picks
Tannehill and Weeden are my fall back plans, depending which way we go in FA...if we do not sign any QB, I'd prefer Weeden...if we do, I'd target Tannehill...simply because I think both are better than McCoy even short term and that'd lead to an too early entrance into the league for Tannehill....if we get him, I want him to sit his 1st season
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I'm not giving up 2, much less 3 first rounders for RG3. I'd consider giving up 2 firsts for Andrew Luck but even that's pushing it.
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max we'd have to pay would be #4+ #22# + #37....still think our #22 and a 4th will be enough ultimately...we'd still have an entire draft class (pick in every round) and all picks in 2013
Yep. 4 + 22 + 37 beats 6 + 39 + 70 + next 1.
How much would it cost to move from 6 to 4? Then from 39 to 37?
Add in it's the difference between STL getting one of the two players they want vs not getting one of them... I think our offer would be much more appealing
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The rumor is that Washington has offered 1,2,3 this year, and a 1st next year. Won't know if there's any truth to that for two months, but I certainly wouldn't pay it.
The Cowboys did get that much out of the Vikings and built a team that won multiple Super Bowls with Troy Aikman, Michael Irvin, & Emmitt Smith.
Any team that gives that up deserves the same fate that awaited the Vikings and St. Louis should turn that into winning multiple Super Bowls.
That's just insane and so many people here want to become those Vikings! I just don't get it.
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I think it all depends on how Stl values to the top prospects of this year.
Do they NEED to come out of this draft with either Kalil or Blackmon? (the two players they're usually linked too)
Dropping to 4 gives them one of if not the choice of both (depending on what Minny does)
But dropping to 6? Kalil is definitely gone, and even Blackmon might be gone...
I'm still holding out hope that Washington grabs either Flynn or Manning, because theres no way IMO that Stl or Minny would drop to 8 or lower...
If I'm the FO, I'm sitting still at 4, because the pressure is on everyone else to make a deal, not us...
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The rumor is that Washington has offered 1,2,3 this year, and a 1st next year. Won't know if there's any truth to that for two months, but I certainly wouldn't pay it.
The Cowboys did get that much out of the Vikings and built a team that won multiple Super Bowls with Troy Aikman, Michael Irvin, & Emmitt Smith.
Any team that gives that up deserves the same fate that awaited the Vikings and St. Louis should turn that into winning multiple Super Bowls.
That's just insane and so many people here want to become those Vikings! I just don't get it.
I'm still trying to figure out what Washington did with the 99 and 2000 drafts...
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I agree, it will only take our #4 and #22. People need to factor in the Rams dropping to #6 will all but guarantee they lose out on Kalil and Blackmon.
If STL drops to #4 they will get one of the two guys they like.
We have the best option to go after RG3, which is why IMO WAS is going to go after a FA QB, either Flynn or Manning(assuming he is healthy or signs a contract that is heavily incentive laden.)
WAS is going to have to give up the entire draft plus #1 next year to be able to trump us. At that price we would say no, but as crazy as Snyder is I don't see him doing that.
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Manning isn't going to Washington. He's got no desire to play his brother twice a year.
He could go to Miami but I suspect that the #1 QB on their wish list it Flynn. If it isn't, with the connections, nobody should even consider him.
I think the most likely place that Manning ends up is in Kansas City.
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