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Ballpeen has been served well by his own personal indicator. You can not agree with it all you want, but to call a man dumb for it?
It is, sorry...it's pretty much as dumb as racism...history lesson anyone? Remeber who last tried to "judge" certain people on physiology in WW2? It was dumb then, and it is dumb now
What Peter says about Paul tells more about Peter than Paul....
So its not ok for a guy to judge based on his opinion, but its ok for you to judge him on his opinion? Im so confused???
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This is to a few people, not just you, CleveSteve:
Can we all just talk about Childress, Shurmur and not what Peen said? We've already branched off into M.A.S.H. and Hitler . . .
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If you think it stupid, I don't care what you or anybody thinks.
How in the blue blazing hell were you ever a judge?
Seriously.
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So Shurmur told Childress he was going to call plays, then when he was hired he told him he was not going to call plays? Unlikely.
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Racism or judging character on physiology isn't an opinion, it's prejudice
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If you think it stupid, I don't care what you or anybody thinks.
How in the blue blazing hell were you ever a judge?
Seriously.
Wait, he was a judge? Please tell me a judge of a beauty pageant.
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I guess I missed all that...
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If you think it stupid, I don't care what you or anybody thinks.
How in the blue blazing hell were you ever a judge?
Seriously.
Wait, he was a judge? Please tell me a judge of a beauty pageant.
If you are speaking of Ballpeen,, yes, he was a judge. Not sure if it was federal or state,,, but he was a judge...
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Sorry I stirred up a crapstorm on your thread. That wasn't the intent.
I'll stay out of it at this point.
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You can not agree with it all you want, but to call a man dumb for it?
Never said he was dumb. I said the statement was. Big difference
Smart people make dumb statements all the time. I was just especially taken aback by this one.
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By the way, I couldn't care less who calls the plays as long as we win.
I'm pretty sure most people, when push comes to shove, feel the same way.
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How in the blue blazing hell were you ever a judge?
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Wait, he was a judge? Please tell me a judge of a beauty pageant.
Now was this necessary? Especially from someone who's very sensitive about the way people comment on his posts?
Anyhow, as far as play calling goes, as long as the plays work, I don't care who's calling them. We at least know Shurmur did a somewhat decent job in St. Louis with Bradford, who really seemed to take a step back after Shurmur left. I guess we'll see another page on Bradford this year with his 3rd OC in 3 years, so we'll have more to calibrate Shurmur's reputation in St. Louis.
So that leaves Shurmur with 1 decent season as a play-caller as opposed to Childress who I don't know if he ever had a full season of play calling, let alone good play calling.
The one thing out of all this that I don't like, however, is how I get the feeling we have 2 head coaches (meaning essentially none). I feel like we have a defensive coach (Jauron) and an offensive coach (Shurmur). It's like "Remember the Titans." Maybe it's unfounded, but I just do not get the head-coaching, "unite and rally the troops" vibe from Shurmur.
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Now was this necessary?
Actually yes, or I would not have typed it.
I find it hard to believe that somebody who is so judgmental, and prejudice, about the apperance of another person was a judge. I wouldnt want a judge like that in my town. If they don't look the part, are they guilty?
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Umm, not sure what the hell you are talking about here.
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Childress is going to be upstairs with a headset on and in direct contact with Shurmur...what do you think Childress is going to say to Shurmur?
Hey Pat.. are we doing Sushi after the game?
I've often wondered.. which of the following constitutes "calling the plays"
1. The guy in the booth telling the guy on the sidelines what to run
2. Or the guy on the sidelines telling the QB what to run
I'm asking because I really honestly don't know
daman...it was so much simpler when the QB called his own plays... 
As long as Childress and Shurmur don't care who gets credit for calling the plays, it's not really an issue, is it?
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Credit isn't really the problem.
Any problem will arise if blame needs to be placed somewhere.
Let's hope it doesn't get to that. In the end playcalling is a bit overrated. All plays have the potential to work as long as they are plays designed for the situation....all plays aren't designed to go all the way.
This season will tell us much on the direction this team is headed.
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Childress is going to be upstairs with a headset on and in direct contact with Shurmur...what do you think Childress is going to say to Shurmur?
Hey Pat.. are we doing Sushi after the game?
I've often wondered.. which of the following constitutes "calling the plays"
1. The guy in the booth telling the guy on the sidelines what to run
2. Or the guy on the sidelines telling the QB what to run
I'm asking because I really honestly don't know
daman...it was so much simpler when the QB called his own plays...
As long as Childress and Shurmur don't care who gets credit for calling the plays, it's not really an issue, is it?
Personally, I am not at all sure what the big deal is. I mean, is there only one right way to do it?
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Most people agree that our offense lacked play-makers. Most agree that we didn't have a legitimate QB. There was no off-season to install a new offense. If these statements are true, then how can we judge the play calling? I think if Bruce Arians or Mike McCarthy was the OC our offense would have struggled last year.
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I think Shurmur probably caught too much flak for his play-calling as a whole specifically because of the failings of all those you'd mentioned. The question I'd asked on two separate occasions wasn't ever answered: Which OC's in the nfl would be able to coax that offense to respectability? Can we confidently say any guy would have done wonders with that unit? I sure as Hell can't, and I was critical of Shurmur early in the season.
I also think there was a witch-hunt mentality towards the end of the season, exemplified by Wallace's running play to end the half where the vast majority put Pat on the cross. However when the truth came out, Shurmur took the high road and Wallace took the blame.
No blame was ever voluntarily retracted. 
If we're going to judge Shurmur solely based on what he did with X-amount of talent, he should then be given credit for the rookie season he coaxed out of Bradford behind a bad line and limited receivers.
I like Shurmur the HC more than I do Shurmur the OC, and think having Childress as nothing more than a resource (as opposed to a shot-caller and talking head) is gonna help Pat immensely.
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Shurmur definitely progressed as the season went along with his playcalling ability. I think he can handle it.
Our players just need to execute better.
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Our players just need to execute better.
I tend to think rather than Shurmur progressing with his play calling our players were executing better as the season went along. Still, our players need to execute even better.
I'm sure we'll add talent to that side of the ball and the new talent along with last year's guys and a pre-season will help a great deal.
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Our players just need to execute better.
So what did you notice as different about his play calling as the year went by? When did you see the improvement start?
I'm asking seriously here, because the biggest change to the play calling that I saw was Hillis getting healthy and returning to the field. I didn't really notice the Browns opening up the play book as the year went by ........I didn't see the receivers running different routes ..... I didn't see us running different protections .......
We did lose players towards the end of the year, even as we got Hillis back. We lost Watson and Smith and Norwood ..... and so on ..... as Hillis returned to action.
I never really saw the offense take off and fly though. I never saw the play calls change all that much. We may have run slightly more when Hillis returned, but that's about all I noticed.
What did you notice?
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I believe we had the "perfect storm" of things this season.. a young unproven QB with questionable skills, young unproven people in playmaking positions with questionable skills, the RB we relied on was out or dinged up most of the season, several new pieces to the OL, a rookie HC trying to install a new system, a very abbreviated off-season... It's hard to imagine a scenario set up more to fail than the one we endured... which is why I laugh when people point to one person and say, "That's the reason we struggled." 
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