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He is from basically the same offense we run. The Browns scouted this kid HARD. I think they know him probably better than he knows himself by now and the Mike Sherman connection to this team can't be overlooked.
I ride u hard about Tanny...But if we go this route they best be right...Same thing with RGIII...Cause we're looking at obviously a pretty high first rounder for a QB that is one of the most...If not THE most inexperienced to EVER breech the Top 10...
Answer this...There is ZERO chance we will take Tanny at 4...Dream all u want but we will NOT take a player who is most likely rated OUTSIDE our Top 7...Probably even our Top 10...
If this draft goes...
Luck
RGIII
Kalil
And we sit at 4 with Claiborne there...Who I KNOW u like as much as me...Are u willing to move down for Tannehill and leave Claiborne on the board???...You're looking at losing an IMPACT PLAYER for a PROJECT...
Tanny's lack of experience makes him a project...Don't kid yourself...
Could we do it and go with McCoy in 2012???...Sure we could...But gosh damn it Mour...We'd be leaving a bonafide STUD behind in Claiborne...
I always say 2 things about a draft...ANY draft...
1) Don't over-think it...
2) Let it come to u...
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The Rams know the Redskins will be aggressive, but they have been getting weird, uninterested signals from the Browns.
Yay! Please let this be true!!  
Browns is the Browns
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"weird" only to the many in the media who just assume the Browns have already decided to replace McCoy AND have decided that RGIII is going to be his replacement. Gotta love pre-draft speculation. 
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I agree. If he falls I am ok with the pick, but please do not give up some obscene package for a kid who was considered a 3rd rounder last year and who Shurmer may not be able to utilize correctly in his rigid system.
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Weird, uninterested signals? Whats that?! Wouldnt "screw you thats too" much be an uninterested signal?
Is it like, "We dont want him, wiink, wink, nudge, nudge"?
Rams are stirring the pot to make the Skins nervous!
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I actually think we're VERY interested because of this report...everybody knows that we will dictate the price for RG, so why should we telegraph our "desperation" 2 months before tha draft?
At this time of the process the Rams need us to be interested...but we would be stupid to show interest at this point as Peyton, Flynn and Campbell still havent signed their FA contract...after those our bargaining position will look much better...if we don't show any interest then...well then maybe there's something to it...but now? Just doesn't make sense to signal interest....no matter how (un)interested we are
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Well, I'm sure that there will be plenty of folks happy to interpret our disinterest as an interest, but I'm very much equally happy to view the disinterest as disinterest 
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Right now there is a huge QB shortage and teams are reaching like crazy. Tannehill at 4 isn't nearly the reach we saw last year in the first round. I think being from this offense is a huge leg up on the competition, that is major experience running the west coast offense.
The negative is experience reading defenses and that takes time under center experience. I think he is a day 1 starter but there will be growing pains.
As for Claiborne, I see Greatness. You just cant teach the kind of feet and hips the kid has. Claiborne and Haden would be the best tandem in football.
tough call on what to do but FA can help us and we will know much more in 2 weeks.
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I actually think we're VERY interested because of this report...everybody knows that we will dictate the price for RG, so why should we telegraph our "desperation" 2 months before tha draft?
At this time of the process the Rams need us to be interested...but we would be stupid to show interest at this point as Peyton, Flynn and Campbell still havent signed their FA contract...after those our bargaining position will look much better...if we don't show any interest then...well then maybe there's something to it...but now? Just doesn't make sense to signal interest....no matter how (un)interested we are
U got it...
The Skins r trying as hard as possible to get this done NOW...Simply because they KNOW when we get involved they r screwed...
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Absolutely. The Browns could say "Look, our GM hasn't had a chance to see anyone in person at the combine, we spent 15 minutes with him, as we were allowed, but we are going to have him in before we commit to anything.
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Well, if we showed enough interest that we convinced the Redskins they would be better off signing Manning than trading 3 1sts, then it would be beneficial.
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Well, I'm sure that there will be plenty of folks happy to interpret our disinterest as an interest, but I'm very much equally happy to view the disinterest as disinterest
That's interesting.. or is it? 
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DinD, just curious but why are you so convinced that if Blackmon and Claiborn are on the board at 4 that we will take Claiborn?
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Good point.
Although from a Redskins perspective it looks more sexy to sign a Hall of Fame QB for "just" money than give up 3x1sts+ for a draft prospect...
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And I don't see any way in hell that the Rams do a deal before they're on the clock. Those precious last seconds ticking by will maybe make someone make a little better offer.
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Oh, time is totally on their side right now.
Unless RG3 does something stupid to hurt his image at this point, the hype is just going to keep building... which means the price for #2 will keep going up.
The more teams talked about in terms of wanting to move up to that spot, the more the price goes up.
They very well may sell the pick before the draft, however... if they feel that they can "sell high" to a team biting hard on the hype, I would expect them to pull the trigger and laugh all the way to the bank.
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Absolutely.
Unless RG3 does something to completely turn teams off to him, they lose nothing by waiting. The price can only go up if they wait.
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We basically hold the trump card, so why get into a pre-draft bidding war, when you can easily make a solid deal on draft day and use the ticking clock to your advantage? Especially if it's a "would like" deal versus a "we must have" deal.
Short of Washington doing something unlikely like giving up their whole draft, we can beat their deal if we really want to, why drive up the price prematurely.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
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And you don't think the disinterest might come from us not being enthralled enough to part with 2 firsts and likely either our 2nd this year or 1st next year for a non-Luck? I have a feeling the disinterest at current prices is real. I may love a Porsche 911, but at its price point I really am disinterested.
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I disagree. They could lose a lot by waiting. It is possible that bidders now drop out after free agency and any new bidders will not have the same picks available that the old ones did. If they get a blow out offer, they should probably take it.
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I think that the team will decide for certain on RG3 when they have him in for their official visit, and they can sit down and talk to him, break down plays, and so on. Until then I would suspect that they will be non-committal .... just like they would be on every other player.
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Oh, time is totally on their side right now.
Unless RG3 does something stupid to hurt his image at this point, the hype is just going to keep building... which means the price for #2 will keep going up.
The more teams talked about in terms of wanting to move up to that spot, the more the price goes up.
They very well may sell the pick before the draft, however... if they feel that they can "sell high" to a team biting hard on the hype, I would expect them to pull the trigger and laugh all the way to the bank.
If I was them I would consider trading before the pro day. I dont see him improving enough to bump Luck, and he isnt going to show some new talent or speed we havent seen. So basically his value has no where to go but down.
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DinD, just curious but why are you so convinced that if Blackmon and Claiborn are on the board at 4 that we will take Claiborn?
Real simple 2 me...
Blackmon doesn't have the measurables to be a Top 4 pick in any draft...
I love the kid but not ahead of Claiborne...
Claiborne and a DE worth a damn would take this D to another level...
Would have a dominant pass rush...
2 Corners great against the run...
2 Corners who need zero help over the top...
Ward comes closer to the LOS...
Win Win Win...
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I think I've made it clear in my post that no matter how we view RG3 this is the only stance to take at this point, thus it's insignificant as to the "real" interest level of our FO
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Demoff points to three windows: Before free agency, at the late March league meetings, and in the few days before the draft.
The third option is the most likely. Teams usually don’t put all their cards on the table until the last minute. Then again, Demoff’s words may be a strong signal from the Rams that they’d love seriously consider aggressive offers early in the bidding. (And why not? The price will only go up.)
“You can’t tell what the musical chairs will do,” said Demoff in MMQB about the post free agency period. “Maybe someone will get left out and need Griffin. You don’t know.”
The risk for the Rams is that teams that sign Peyton Manning and Matt Flynn will no longer need a quarterback. The Rams need at least two teams dying to move up for Griffin to get the best deal possible.
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THIS plan makes me giddy. I'd LOVE to have Claiborne and a stud DE that can play the run and get after the QB.
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The Rams would be IGNORANT to take Quantity from the Skins and drop to 6 versus the QUALITY of picks and the 4 pick from us...
So once the Rams trade back to six they have to stay there? Trade back to six and then use some of there new found resources to trade back up to pick four. Makes sense to me. We pick up an extra third rounder and the Rams get one of the guys they want. Meanwhile we drop to six and get Richardson, Brockers, Coples, DeCastro, etc.
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Maybe we wouldn't want to drop to 6.
In fact, if I am having any preliminary and "oh by the way" conversations with the Rams, I let it slip that we have one guy we like if RG3 is gone when we pick ..... and he might just be the same guy the Rams are looking at since we have similar needs ...... except, of course, for the QB spot.
I also want to say something about a post I read earlier ....... about how the Rams may want to take a trade now .......
How many times does that happen, where a draft pick is traded well ahead of the draft? Don't those trades usually happen during the draft ..... or, at least, right before?
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I don't think it is the Rams that want to trade now so much as it is the teams that want to avoid bidding with us want to trade now. Teams want to trade now so they can avoid the inevitable bidding war that will occur on draft day. And if we are involved in that bidding war and have a blank check we will win. That's why the Redskins want to trade now.
Why would the Rams want to do that? They don't. Unless the Rams get an offer they know won't be topped there is no point in making the trade any time before the draft.
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Claiborne and a DE worth a damn would take this D to another level...
Would have a dominant pass rush...
2 Corners great against the run...
2 Corners who need zero help over the top...
Ward comes closer to the LOS...
Win Win Win...
I'm all over this!
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In sounds great in theory. But it will take a little time to get to that point. Even freak of nature Patrick Peterson had about a half-season adjustment period to get into his groove as a rookie.
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Claiborne and a DE worth a damn would take this D to another level...
Would have a dominant pass rush...
2 Corners great against the run...
2 Corners who need zero help over the top...
Ward comes closer to the LOS...
Win Win Win...
I'm all over this!
And more not scoring points!!! yeah!!!
Crowded elevators smell different to short people...
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We got time.
We'd still have an offense to build in 2013-14.
I'm not looking for (I hope for) or expect this giant leap forward from where we are to the SB in a year.
I love a monster D though aka Ravens!
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Claiborne and a DE worth a damn would take this D to another level...
Would have a dominant pass rush...
2 Corners great against the run...
2 Corners who need zero help over the top...
Ward comes closer to the LOS...
Win Win Win...
I'm all over this!
And more not scoring points!!! yeah!!!
We just win a few more 6-0 games!
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How long can we go ignoring one side of the ball?
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The Rams are interested because waiting until the draft may not get them good bids. If Washington and Miami solve their QB need in free agency, who exactly is even going to be able to offer anything comparable to an offer from us of our 4th pick + our 2nd rounder? The answer is no one and yet, the Rams will have to take that. If Washington formalizes something like has been speculated (1, 2, 3 this year AND 1 next), the Rams would be stupid to pass that up (even 2 months ahead of the draft).
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We got time.
We'd still have an offense to build in 2013-14.
I'm not looking for (I hope for) or expect this giant leap forward from where we are to the SB in a year.
I love a monster D though aka Ravens!
Everybody loves a monster D.. so we can get a great D and get to 7-8 wins and then try to find our offensive skill players by drafting in the teens... I think H&H have already gone on record saying they understand we need impact players on offense.. I would bet the family farm that our first pick is an offensive skill position player, either WR, RB or QB depending on where our first pick is if we trade and who is available.
Edit.. in fact, I'll be surprised if our draft goes any way other than one of these 3 options..
1. Trade up to guarantee RGIII
2. Stay put and take RGIII if he is there or Blackmon if he's not.
3. Trade back but to a position where we can get Richardson or Tannehill...
Anything other than one of those 3 scenarios would surprise me based on what I see right now.
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I didn't think of it that way. But you're right. If Washington signs Flynn and Miami signs Manning they are down two bidders.
But then again they only need two teams to be in love with Griffin. Just let those two teams bid against each other.
Bottom line here, the Rams control the whole draft.
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I didn't think of it that way. But you're right. If Washington signs Flynn and Miami signs Manning they are down two bidders.
But then again they only need two teams to be in love with Griffin. Just let those two teams bid against each other.
Bottom line here, the Rams control the whole draft.
The question is would the Rams want to fall down to 6 where they have a real possibility of losing out on Kalil and Blackmon? This gives the Browns a better chance of getting that pick for much cheaper than the Redskins. If the Rams trade down to 6, they have to deal with the Vikings, Browns and TB to not pick Kalil or Blackmon, unless they have someone else in mind to pick. And even if none of those teams wants those two, they have to deal with teams trading down to someone who does.
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The Rams wouldn't be stuck at six. They could be one of the teams trading up.
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