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Top QB prospects on 3rd down
Player Blitzes Comp. pct. Sacks INTs
Robert Griffin III 79 62 6 0
Andrew Luck 110 57.3 5 5
Ryan Tannehill 140 57.1 2 5
Brandon Weeden 136 62.5 3 5
Interesting but below that found this more interesting
Top QB prospects vs. 3rd down pressure
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Robert Griffin III 20.0 15.1
Andrew Luck 50.0 139.1
Ryan Tannehill 25.0 33.3
Brandon Weeden 33.0 33.0
Ok, one of your data sets is lying. Django's has a reference. Can you show your reference? It's impossible to have a QB rating of 15 with zero INTs. In the pros, minimum QB rating for not completing any passes is 39.5 or something like that, and college rating goes above 158.3, which is NFL max.
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Sanchez was had for a 1st, 2nd, and a few scrubbs. In hindsight that could have been a bad trade on Mangini ... but still.
That was a bad trade among the many other Mangini made that year. While we were trading down and getting fifths and sixths. The Patriots were getting 4ths and 5ths with later picks.
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It's technically possible: 5 for 25 for -15 yards will get you exactly a 15 rating in college, but a 39.6 in the NFL. http://purinchu.net/rate.htmlThat being said, I highly doubt the statistic
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RG3 just told Herm Edwards, "you play to win the game".  Do what you need to do, Heckert. http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_...oved-advertisedJump to about 5:00
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Lol. That was great. Boy, he interviews well. RGIII stock goes up another notch.
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Wow, that was impressive for a guy who supposedly is a one read guy.
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Top QB prospects on 3rd down
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Robert Griffin III 79 62 6 0
Andrew Luck 110 57.3 5 5
Ryan Tannehill 140 57.1 2 5
Brandon Weeden 136 62.5 3 5
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Top QB prospects vs. 3rd down pressure
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Robert Griffin III 20.0 15.1
Andrew Luck 50.0 139.1
Ryan Tannehill 25.0 33.3
Brandon Weeden 33.0 33.0
Ok, one of your data sets is lying. Django's has a reference. Can you show your reference? It's impossible to have a QB rating of 15 with zero INTs. In the pros, minimum QB rating for not completing any passes is 39.5 or something like that, and college rating goes above 158.3, which is NFL max.
Its on the same page of his link just scroll down I didnt find it he did.
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again its not just you but as someone said just below your post I would want a 1st next year along with moving down. I guess it just seems that I see some undervalue our pick which is very high is all Im saying.
I guess getting the 6th and 34th isnt bad but If people would give up the 4th the 22nd and the 36th pick to move up 2 I would want something more then just a 2nd or some have said even just a 3rd to move down because we could move below them (#6) and get so much more.
It just doesn't work that way....plus, I'd rather have a 2nd this year over a 1st next year.
It's time we as Browns fans quit worrying about next year and start demanding more "This" year. IMO there is no future for a few of these guys if they don't start getting it done this year.
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again its not just you but as someone said just below your post I would want a 1st next year along with moving down. I guess it just seems that I see some undervalue our pick which is very high is all Im saying.
I guess getting the 6th and 34th isnt bad but If people would give up the 4th the 22nd and the 36th pick to move up 2 I would want something more then just a 2nd or some have said even just a 3rd to move down because we could move below them (#6) and get so much more.
It just doesn't work that way....plus, I'd rather have a 2nd this year over a 1st next year.
It's time we as Browns fans quit worrying about next year and start demanding more "This" year. IMO there is no future for a few of these guys if they don't start getting it done this year.
I don't agree. I would rather have a 1st next year than a 2nd this year and it doesn't matter which teams' picks we are talking about... as long as we are going by current information (and not comparing #33 overall this near to #32 overall next year or something silly like that.)
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I guess getting the 6th and 34th isnt bad but If people would give up the 4th the 22nd and the 36th pick to move up 2 I would want something more then just a 2nd or some have said even just a 3rd to move down because we could move below them (#6) and get so much more.
It doesn't work that way...
Much of any trade up is what the trading up team is willing to give for the move...And whether it's exaggerated or not...Much more is the position u r moving up for...QB will always demand the most...The position is that coveted...
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It just doesn't work that way....plus, I'd rather have a 2nd this year over a 1st next year.
It's time we as Browns fans quit worrying about next year and start demanding more "This" year. IMO there is no future for a few of these guys if they don't start getting it done this year.
Remember that the trade we made last year had this year in mind. We got the Falcons 1st rounder. You can never stop thinking about the future of the franchise. You balance them both - like we did last year. We got the second round pick last year and this year's first rounder from Atlanta for that Julio Jones trade. We still have a 4th rounder from Atlanta this year too.
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Who was that QB out of LSU a couple years ago, Savage was in love with, I remember poeple yelling...do what ya need to do savage get him...cant miss, great arm strengh, smart, 6-something 280 # defensives cant tackle him, ...Seems the media created a # 1 draft choice out of nothing, ...HUMMMMMMMMMM wonder if that smoke getting blown up our..........AGAIN.....Now I dont know if RG3 is legit or not it's a hugh gamble for this team to recover from if we miss on this guy, we dont need any maybe we need sure things, or as close of a sure thing one can get in the draft. anyway every year the media creates a top 5 pick out of somebody who has no reason to be in the top 20......media creates, they dont care if he can play...actually they hope he cant...gives them another story on his way down...2 stories for one....Media wins...team loses...Who was that QB the raiders couldnt miss with.....how'd that work for them the last few years
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You're talking about JaMarcus Russell. I think they're still paying him too.
I wouldn't say that RG3 is anywhere near JaMarcus Russell, but your point is taken. Russell was hyped into being a #1 overall pick.
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RG3 just told Herm Edwards, "you play to win the game".
Do what you need to do, Heckert.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_...oved-advertised
Jump to about 5:00
It sure is a tough call. We have some good low picks on one hand and on the other one of the most gifted, likeable kids to come down the pike in a long time!
Everytime I hear the young man even talk he wins me over a bit more!
I'm glad it's not up to me to make this call!
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Yep, he flopped.
He should have been a great QB, but he wasn't. It happens ...... just like it happens at every other position .......
Like it happened at WR, with Braylon Edwards ....... or DE, with Courtney Brown ....... or QB, with Brady Quinn ........ or RB, with Will Green ........ and so on .........
It might even happen more at QB, because great QBs are so damned hard to find.
When you do find one, though, your team is improved more than any other position can do ...... and usually for a very long time. A Franchise QB, when you can find one, usually has a pretty long shelf life ..... going 10-15 years routinely.
In today's NFL, with today's passing rules, if you don't have a Franchise level QB, then you better be doing all you can to find one.
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Around the NFL: Analyst feels Browns must look at RG-III - Canton, OH - CantonRep.com http://www.cantonrep.com/browns/x1882854190/Around-the-NFL-Analyst-feels-Browns-must-look-at-RG-IIII’m not sure whether this qualifies Solomon Wilcots for a prize or for a psychiatrist, but ... The former Bengals and Steelers defensive back has done more color commentary for expansion-era Browns TV games than anyone. When we bumped into Wilcots at the Super Bowl, naturally we wanted to know what he sees between the earholes of the orange helmets he has been following for so long. Add his name to the list of insiders viewing the hiring of a name offensive coordinator as a bright idea. “Brad Childress gives Pat Shurmur someone to help him manage it all,” Wilcots said. “A first-year head coach can be like a first-year quarterback. They go through some growing pains. “I saw Jason Garrett go through that in Dallas.” Wilcots’ Sunday in-season gigs are with CBS. This time of year, he can be heard on Sirius NFL Radio on a show with Marty Schottenheimer, Gil Brandt and Carl Banks. Brandt is the NFL Draft brains of that outfit. The other day, we quoted him suggesting that the Browns should invest their Nos. 4, 22 and 37 overall picks on players to beef up the team around quarterback Colt McCoy. Wilcots is of a different mind. “Obviously,” Wilcots said, “they need more weapons. Colt McCoy is good but they can do better. Let’s be honest.” He sees Heisman Trophy winner Robert Griffin III as the likely best option: “RG-III is in their wheelhouse. We need to find out more about him, but he seems to be all that they would want in that West Coast system. “Really good arm. Smart kid. Athletic. But they’re going to have to get some weapons around him, because they’re waiting for some wide receivers to show up.” The 2011 arsenal wasn’t quite bad enough to get the Browns the No. 2 overall pick that would have given them Griffin free and clear. Trading up from No. 4 might be their only way to the quarterback from Baylor. Actually, Wilcots has seen it work, sort of, with shaky quarterback play. He joined the Steelers in 1992, when first-year head coach Bill Cowher went 11-5 with a platoon of Neil O’Donnell and Bubby Brister. But then, Pittsburgh got pounded in the first round, 24-3, by the Bills. “There’s more evaluation on the Browns’ part that needs to be done,” Wilcots said, “but if they feel that RG-III is their guy, they shouldn’t hesitate to go get him, and they have more than any other team to be able to go get him.” Wilcots has been in Berea talking to the Browns’ who’s-who since the time they were a playoff team. “I thought they were real close when they had Butch Davis,” he said. “Butch was really close.” Davis’ 2002 Browns had a 17-point lead in a playoff game at Pittsburgh. That game and the next season went south, but that put Davis really close to drafting Ben Roethlisberger in 2004. “We all knew Ben Roethlisberger was going to be a player,” Wilcots said. “I’d watched him for years, since he was a freshman at Miami, Ohio, and I knew he was going to be a great player in this league. Being right there in Cleveland, you should know that.” Davis flew to Oxford the weekend before the draft, convincing Miami’s coaches Roethlisberger would be the Browns’ pick at No. 7 overall. On draft day, Davis traded up to No. 6 to take tight end Kellen Winslow Jr., leaving Roethlisberger for Pittsburgh at No. 11. Roethlisberger’s road has hit a few rocky spots. His popularity in Pittsburgh is mixed. During a week in Indianapolis, I saw Steelers jerseys all over the place. “POLAMALU” was the most common jersey. I saw “ROETHLISBERGER” as often as I saw “McCOY” — not once. On the other hand, he is 2-1 in Super Bowls, and the endless stream of quarterbacks the Browns have used instead are a combined 47-97 since 2002. “There has been too much turnover in the front office and the coaching staff, and that to me has been their biggest problem,” Wilcots said. “You can get players, but you need a system that is consistent to be able to plug those players in to. “They have flip-flopped from a 4-3 to a 3-4, back to a 4-3. They have done that about five times since 1999. “If you’re trying to screw up an organization, then do that.” Holmgren has been caught up in the problem, keeping and then dumping Eric Mangini’s 3-4, and now is trying to fix it and grow it with continuity. The network guys get exclusive access during the week to coaches, players and big brass. As often as Wilcots has come around, the Browns are practically family. “In talking to Coach Holmgren,” Wilcots said, “he feels they’re close, but they need more talent, particularly on offense. They need some weapons to get the ball in the end zone.” Does that start with Robert Griffin III? That’s a “yes” from one TV analyst who has called way too many bad Browns games.
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Wilcots has indeed seen some bad football from this team. You can like him or not on the broadcasts but I'll bet his evaluations are pretty much spot on. A huge moment for this organization. Hit it and the teams fortunes change. Miss and we are mired in the SOS for a good long period! 
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Yeah, he has seen tons of bad Browns football over the years.
The thing that sucks for him ..... let's say that we were to get RG3, and improve tremendously ........ he would probably never get to call another one of our games, because we'd get higher ranked announce teams. lol
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Defense is easiest to impact game outcomes. I would be giddy too. I am OK with RGTrey but not at ANY price. If they never score, you always win. How much do we have to do to "prop up" even a superb QB with the current personnel? I think at least three, RT, RG, and one impact wideout at a minimum, to make the QB viable and consistently able to perform. You can't buy everything at once in a single draft. But a great QB makes one side of the ball better, and one who can (out)run and scramble has something you need until you get better IMO.
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AS analysts go,I like the guy.
He keeps his opinions to a minimum,and comments on what he sees.
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I'm sure I was the last to see this and it has already been posted but it is worth watching. RG3 on the chalkboards showing his smarts....
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-combine-total-access/09000d5d82742179/RGIII-shows-his-smarts
I heard the original interview on the radio in my car and thought he made a mistake when he was drawing up the play but I was driving so I wasn't playing that close attention. zThen had no way to go back and double check if I was wrong or he was. Watching the video turns out I was right. RGIII didn't call the right play.
Mariucci calls: Brown right, f-short, 2 jet flanker drive
RGIII: Blue right, f-short, 2jet flanker drive
I don't know how significant that error is. I don't know what the color means and Mariucci didn't explain it.
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yea.. i noticed the brown-blue mix up too.. he knew the routes though.. although it was a fairly easy play to remember.
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Not necessarily the most complex thing in the world, but I still love seeing football people talk football with other football people. I think it would be so fascinating to sit in a film session with an NFL team.
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Who was that QB out of LSU a couple years ago, Savage was in love with, I remember poeple yelling...do what ya need to do savage get him...cant miss, great arm strengh, smart, 6-something 280 # defensives cant tackle him, ...Seems the media created a # 1 draft choice out of nothing, ...HUMMMMMMMMMM wonder if that smoke getting blown up our..........AGAIN.....Now I dont know if RG3 is legit or not it's a hugh gamble for this team to recover from if we miss on this guy, we dont need any maybe we need sure things, or as close of a sure thing one can get in the draft. anyway every year the media creates a top 5 pick out of somebody who has no reason to be in the top 20......media creates, they dont care if he can play...actually they hope he cant...gives them another story on his way down...2 stories for one....Media wins...team loses...Who was that QB the raiders couldnt miss with.....how'd that work for them the last few years
Russell's problem was that he was a lazy pile of lard. He cared more about his purple drank than being an NFL QB. Nobody has questioned RGIII's desire and work ethic as far as I can see.
First, you had people like Heldawg saying he has a "weak arm" (lol). Now, everyone has seen that he has an extremely strong arm.
Then, everyone decided he was a one-year wonder. Simply showing people the stats on how he has performed at a high level yet significantly improved his game year after year has, for the most part, quieted those claims.
The next manufactured complaint was that he "tucks and runs too quickly," which, in addition to being disputed by those of us that actually watched him play games this season, has been repeatedly been pointed out to be a strength by all the draft analysts... that when he scrambles, he keeps his eyes downfield and looks to pass.
Then people were trying to say he can't learn an offense. This was due to the fact that the coach that his coach used to work for didn't use a playbook. And that is indicative of Griffin's limitations, why?
Then, you had people deciding he was too short and now we see that he's more than an inch taller than Colt (who was 6'1" 1/8 at the combine to Griffin's 6'2" 3/8 at the combine.)
They are really all baseless speculative claims. And now, somehow, despite the fact that he had just about the best numbers you can possibly have in college football as a QB, led his perennial doormat school's program to respectability and an all time high win total in a BCS conference despite an incredibly bad defense and shaky-at-best OL, has shown that he has every physical skill you could hope to have in a QB, shows intelligence, confidence, and competence in interviews and press conferences, and is still only thought of as the second-best prospect at his position, people have decided he is a creation of media hype.
Ryan Tannehill had the seventh-best completion percentage in his conference and sixth-best QB rating in the Big XII among those passers with enough attempts to qualify (ESPN stats.) He's got 19 total starts at QB. His team drastically underperformed this season, going from preseason number 9 ranking to winning their bowl game vs. Northwestern of all teams to finish at 7-6. He played WR for a year and a half because he lost his QB competition with Jerrod Johnson, and people are talking about him being picked as high as 6? 4? GMAB. Why? Because he has taken more snaps under center? Because he has short accuracy and a strong arm? Because he's 6'4"? If any QB's draft stock is a result of manufactured hype, it's Tannehill. Griffin answers every question posed to him. Tannehill has just broken his foot working out.
What more does this guy have to do to show he is legit? Heal the blind?
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Then people were trying to say he can't learn an offense. This was due to the fact that the coach that his coach used to work for didn't use a playbook. And that is indicative of Griffin's limitations, why?
this is the one that is somewhat true and is part of the larger issue. that he played in the spread-offense that he will not in the NFL.
it's not that he can't/won't be able to do it and adjust. it's just that there is some risk there. i don't consider Tedford's offense a true-spread offense, so it's hard to nail down a spread-offense QB who became elite because of his throwing.
Sam Bradford - had a pretty good '10 for a rookie. had a worse '11 than Colt did. He could prove '11 was an aberration.
Cam Newton - had a great start of the season. continued to find success during the season, but it had more to do with his running than throwing after teams figured out how to clamp him down. RGIII won't be running like Cam. He, of course, still has plenty of time to make adjustments and get there.
So, RGIII could become an elite guy. He seems to have the skillset. But, there is also significant risk in that he will do so. I like the idea of taking on this risk (it'd be a fun ride at the very least), but really do not want to overpay the Rams to do it.
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Russell's problem was that he was a lazy pile of lard. He cared more about his purple drank than being an NFL QB. Nobody has questioned RGIII's desire and work ethic as far as I can see.
First, you had people like Heldawg saying he has a "weak arm" (lol). Now, everyone has seen that he has an extremely strong arm.
Then, everyone decided he was a one-year wonder. Simply showing people the stats on how he has performed at a high level yet significantly improved his game year after year has, for the most part, quieted those claims.
The next manufactured complaint was that he "tucks and runs too quickly," which, in addition to being disputed by those of us that actually watched him play games this season, has been repeatedly been pointed out to be a strength by all the draft analysts... that when he scrambles, he keeps his eyes downfield and looks to pass.
Then people were trying to say he can't learn an offense. This was due to the fact that the coach that his coach used to work for didn't use a playbook. And that is indicative of Griffin's limitations, why?
Then, you had people deciding he was too short and now we see that he's more than an inch taller than Colt (who was 6'1" 1/8 at the combine to Griffin's 6'2" 3/8 at the combine.)
They are really all baseless speculative claims. And now, somehow, despite the fact that he had just about the best numbers you can possibly have in college football as a QB, led his perennial doormat school's program to respectability and an all time high win total in a BCS conference despite an incredibly bad defense and shaky-at-best OL, has shown that he has every physical skill you could hope to have in a QB, shows intelligence, confidence, and competence in interviews and press conferences, and is still only thought of as the second-best prospect at his position, people have decided he is a creation of media hype.
Ryan Tannehill had the seventh-best completion percentage in his conference and sixth-best QB rating in the Big XII among those passers with enough attempts to qualify (ESPN stats.) He's got 19 total starts at QB. His team drastically underperformed this season, going from preseason number 9 ranking to winning their bowl game vs. Northwestern of all teams to finish at 7-6. He played WR for a year and a half because he lost his QB competition with Jerrod Johnson, and people are talking about him being picked as high as 6? 4? GMAB. Why? Because he has taken more snaps under center? Because he has short accuracy and a strong arm? Because he's 6'4"? If any QB's draft stock is a result of manufactured hype, it's Tannehill. Griffin answers every question posed to him. Tannehill has just broken his foot working out.
What more does this guy have to do to show he is legit? Heal the blind?
Exactly.
I could not possibly have said it better myself.
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One thing I noticed in that interview is RGIII spoke clear english and not a mix of english and street dialect.
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One thing I noticed in that interview is RGIII spoke clear english and not a mix of english and street dialect.
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yea.. i noticed the brown-blue mix up too.. he knew the routes though.. although it was a fairly easy play to remember.
Anybody know the significance of the color in that play call? Must mean something otherwise why include it?
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yea.. i noticed the brown-blue mix up too.. he knew the routes though.. although it was a fairly easy play to remember.
Anybody know the significance of the color in that play call? Must mean something otherwise why include it?
probably none what so ever.. color may depend on the team..
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Russell's problem was that he was a lazy pile of lard. He cared more about his purple drank than being an NFL QB. Nobody has questioned RGIII's desire and work ethic as far as I can see.
I could be wrong about this, but I don't remember anyone questioning Russells work ethic either back then.. In fact, Savage knew Russell for years, said he was a winner, can't miss guy. I don't remember one pundit saying russell was lazy, or didn't work hard.
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I could be wrong about this, but I don't remember anyone questioning Russells work ethic either back then.. In fact, Savage knew Russell for years, said he was a winner, can't miss guy. I don't remember one pundit saying russell was lazy, or didn't work hard.
I'm guessing part of it has to do with the differences in coaching staffs. He might he worked better under Les Miles than Tom Cable/the Coach of USC (or whoever was the Raiders).
The other part probably has a lot to do with all that money he received. It might have been too much, and made his either content or cocky
EDIT: And this is not defending Russell, just stating a possibility. No grown adult should have to be motivated when they're getting paid all that money
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what I don't understand is why in the world are we talking about Jamarcus Russell? He's big and took snaps from under center and slurred his words and went number 1 overall, so why aren't we comparing him to Andrew Luck?
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Seems silly to include extra words with no meaning in an already verbose system.
As for Russell, Savage was all over him because of knowing him since he was a kid. I don't remember what the pundits were saying but I remember (I think quite clearly) that >2/3 of this message board was like "Dear God, NO! please don't trade up for Russell".
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so why aren't we comparing him to Andrew Luck?
Because no one thinks that we have any chance to draft Luck, therefore no significance for us. RGIII is still a real possibility.
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I think it was more than 2/3.
that draft was probably 40% Thomas, 40% Peterson, and 20% Quinn. i don't remember a diehard Russell supporter (though there is usually one). i do remember that Russell "solidified" his draft spot because he got to go against the ND defense in the bowl game while Quinn had to go against the LSU defense (as they were consensus #1/2 QBs that year).
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Seems silly to include extra words with no meaning in an already verbose system.
Possibly something to do with the formation for the backs?
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