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yea.. i noticed the brown-blue mix up too.. he knew the routes though.. although it was a fairly easy play to remember.
Yeah, I like RG3 a lot, but him remembering that play didn't impress me all that much. Hell, I remembered it enough to recite it back and I'm definitely not an Xs and Os guy with no training. I don't think RG3 will have any problem picking up a west coast offensive system.
Actually, what impressed me more in that video was that he was fully aware of how Mooch was attempting to distract him after showing him the play in order to get him to forget it. I think he laughed because it was such a transparent attempt at manipulation.
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Actually, what impressed me more in that video was that he was fully aware of how Mooch was attempting to distract him after showing him the play in order to get him to forget it. I think he laughed because it was such a transparent attempt at manipulation.
I think that all that means is that his agent had coached him up for the interviews. What Mooch did is something teams have been doing for years in interviews. I am not impressed that RGIII recognized that. Heck I saw it coming the second that Mooch want to learn a play? I would have been very disappointed if RGIII got confused by that ploy.
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ESPN's John Clayton insists the price for the No. 2 overall pick has risen so high that only the Browns and Redskins have the ammo to trade up for Robert Griffin III. The Browns boast the trump card with a higher pick in addition to an extra first-rounder, leaving the Redskins under pressure to put together a Ricky Williams-type package of picks in 2012 and 2013. Working against the Dolphins, Seahawks, and "surprise" teams is the sentiment that the Rams may only identify six-to-seven blue-chip players at the top of the draft. The further away from No. 2, the less likely St. Louis is to land their top target. http://www.rotoworld.com/playernews/nfl/football If the Rams do not trade the pick before free agency, then the Redskins sign Flynn, the price for us to trade up to #2 goes way down.
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I believe if the Redskins sign a QB then we won't have to trade up to 2.
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Well, then the Vikings' pick might get interesting. They might be willing to drop a little farther than the Rams are.
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Actually, what impressed me more in that video was that he was fully aware of how Mooch was attempting to distract him after showing him the play in order to get him to forget it. I think he laughed because it was such a transparent attempt at manipulation.
If you watch and nfl draft coverage.. you KNOW they will do that.. Mooch has done it.. Gruden is notorious for doing it.. As soon as mooch erased the board.. I knew he was gonna go back to it. Pretty predictable even for a kid. lol.
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Well, then the Vikings' pick might get interesting. They might be willing to drop a little farther than the Rams are.
The Vikings would be idiots IMO if they don't get Kalil.
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Mariucci calls: Brown right, f-short, 2 jet flanker drive
RGIII: Blue right, f-short, 2jet flanker drive
I don't know how significant that error is. I don't know what the color means and Mariucci didn't explain it.
It means he'd rather play for the Colts than the Browns. 
Honestly though, in high-school ... we had some color combinations that were called out in plays, and the only thing that mattered was the first letter .. like "Red" meant right or "Blue" would be back, etc. I remember our linebackers used to have fun when calling out bluff audibles, and would yell out things like, "Jade!" and "Fushia!".
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Mariucci calls: Brown right, f-short, 2 jet flanker drive
RGIII: Blue right, f-short, 2jet flanker drive
I don't know how significant that error is. I don't know what the color means and Mariucci didn't explain it.
It means he'd rather play for the Colts than the Browns.
Honestly though, in high-school ... we had some color combinations that were called out in plays, and the only thing that mattered was the first letter .. like "Red" meant right or "Blue" would be back, etc. I remember our linebackers used to have fun when calling out bluff audibles, and would yell out things like, "Jade!" and "Fushia!".
 
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That's assuming the Rams don't take Kalil with number 2. I think they'd be more likely to go with Blackmon, but you never know.
So, if Kalil is off the board at 3, the Vikings might consider Claiborne. But, if someone like Miami or Seattle comes calling with a nice trade package, they might move down with the hopes of landing someone else.
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ESPN's John Clayton insists the price for the No. 2 overall pick has risen so high that only the Browns and Redskins have the ammo to trade up for Robert Griffin III.
The Browns boast the trump card with a higher pick in addition to an extra first-rounder, leaving the Redskins under pressure to put together a Ricky Williams-type package of picks in 2012 and 2013. Working against the Dolphins, Seahawks, and "surprise" teams is the sentiment that the Rams may only identify six-to-seven blue-chip players at the top of the draft. The further away from No. 2, the less likely St. Louis is to land their top target.
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If the Rams do not trade the pick before free agency, then the Redskins sign Flynn, the price for us to trade up to #2 goes way down.
Sounds to me like the Rams are trying to pressure the Skins into making a move now.
I could see the Skins skipping the deal and nobody trading up with the Rams and the #3 pick being the one that everyone now wants to trade for.
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what I don't understand is why in the world are we talking about Jamarcus Russell? He's big and took snaps from under center and slurred his words and went number 1 overall, so why aren't we comparing him to Andrew Luck?
Because it's relevant. Same kinda situation as we have with Luck and RG3.
What's it worth to move up to get him? What will it take. The point is the situations were similar in that the Hype for both Russell and RG3 is insane.
I don't remember who it was back then,, but plenty of folks on here wanted us to mortgage the future to find a way to get Russell..
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what I don't understand is why in the world are we talking about Jamarcus Russell? He's big and took snaps from under center and slurred his words and went number 1 overall, so why aren't we comparing him to Andrew Luck?
Because it's relevant. Same kinda situation as we have with Luck and RG3.
What's it worth to move up to get him? What will it take. The point is the situations were similar in that the Hype for both Russell and RG3 is insane.
I don't remember who it was back then,, but plenty of folks on here wanted us to mortgage the future to find a way to get Russell..
Has anyone mentioned Leaf?
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I don't remember who it was back then,, but plenty of folks on here wanted us to mortgage the future to find a way to get Russell..
I think it was Phil Savage.
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I don't know how significant that error is. I don't know what the color means and Mariucci didn't explain it.
I think if you get the color wrong it ends up being a pick six. I'm just throwing this thought out there to quell some of the hype 
What is the most you guys would give up for this guy? No matter what happens there is going to be criticism of the front of office. Either they didn't get him or they paid too much. Where do you draw the line? I would give up two firsts and a third. No more.
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I would think about 3 firsts ....... as long as I liked his visit with the team. I think that's where he either 100% sells the team on him, or does not.
If the team is convinced that he is a franchise guy, then what price is too high?
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I believe if the Redskins sign a QB then we won't have to trade up to 2.
I'ma gonna go ahead and disagree, Steve.
I'm certain that no matter what, SOMEONE is gonna go to #2 to get Griffin. Absolutely the price goes down if the 'Skins drop out, but there are just too many teams that would want the guy.
Remember what happens if the Redskins do sign a QB...it means another team that needed a QB didn't get that player, bringing that team back into play for RG3.
I really don't see a viable scenario where Griffin goes past #2.
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Maybe we could give picks to teams not to bid. Give Miami a 3rd not to bid, etc?? It would be cheaper. Maybe I should have put that in purple.
I agree. I think a team is going to have to end up in the two slot. The Rams aren't going to just not take anything then pass the guy down to the Vikings who could start the bidding for a 3rd round pick.
Why wouldn't you want to drop one slot and trade the pick to the Browns for a 3rd rounder??
Worse comes to worse, the Rams will do that.
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jc http://walterfootball.com/nfldraftrumormill.phpDidinger: Browns Favorite to Trade for Robert Griffin Published Feb. 29, 2012 By Walt - @walterfootball Ray Didinger, an NFL Hall of Fame writer, considers the Browns to be the favorite to trade with the Rams for Robert Griffin. "I'll be shocked if Griffin isn't drafted by the Browns," Didinger said as a guest on Comcast Sportsnet's Daily News Live. He didn't offer a reason for this, but he's well connected, having covered the NFL for more than 25 years. He opined that both Griffin and Andrew Luck will be special players in the league. Didinger has written for the Philadelphia Daily News and knows the Eagles better than anyone. He said that the Eagles are unlikely to trade for Griffin despite meeting with him during the 2012 NFL Scouting Combine. If they did, however, it would be a way for Andy Reid to stay in Philadelphia awhile longer. "Trading for Griffin could be a way for Andy to receive an extension," Didinger said. "He would say, 'Look, we're building something here.'" The Eagles won't be able to acquire Griffin, however, because the compensation would be too much. Instead, Didinger expects Philadelphia to go with a defensive tackle at No. 15. "Dontari Poe won't be there," Didinger said. "Devon Still would fit what Andy is looking for."
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LOL,, well, let's see, a sports writer says we are priime for the RG3 trade.. Stop the presses  I just can't believe the amount of hype.. it's incredible.. just incredible..
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Where does Didinger say the Browns will definitely trade for Griffin? It says draft. Walter put the trade for into the story.
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I believe if the Redskins sign a QB then we won't have to trade up to 2.
I'ma gonna go ahead and disagree, Steve.
I'm certain that no matter what, SOMEONE is gonna go to #2 to get Griffin. Absolutely the price goes down if the 'Skins drop out, but there are just too many teams that would want the guy.
Remember what happens if the Redskins do sign a QB...it means another team that needed a QB didn't get that player, bringing that team back into play for RG3.
I really don't see a viable scenario where Griffin goes past #2.
Yeah, I understand what you're saying, but as mentioned several times the Rams aren't willing to move down indefinitely. They want an elite player.
I really think Miami isn't a player for Griffin. With their OC and their HC having coached two of the QB candidates last year, I can't see them realistically giving STL the value they want to move down to number 8.
The next team to trade up to there would be Buffalo. What would they have to give up to make it worth it for STL to go all the way down to 10? Would this and next years' first plus either Kyle Williams or Stevie Johnson be worth it for them? They're not trading Dareus and they don't really have anyone else worth a damn. I just don't see Buffalo as able to offer proper compensation for that move. Maybe if they think Buffalo is destined for another 4-win season they may think about it, but it seems like too big a risk to me.
The point I'm trying to make is that I don't think STL wants to move past 6. I think they're even iffy there. But take WAS out and consider Miami as a non-option and I think they have to sit tight and take Kalil or Blackmon.
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speaking of which... again, this time of year we have no idea whether anything is true or not. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82..._headline_stack Quote:
Cost to acquire pick from Rams might drain Dolphins' interest
It's no secret the St. Louis Rams fully intend to trade the No. 2 overall pick of the 2012 NFL Draft, and equally well known a handful of teams have interest in working their way up for the chance to select Baylor quarterback Robert Griffin III.
One of those teams -- the Miami Dolphins -- owns the No. 8 overall pick and a desire to land a franchise-caliber quarterback.
Lombardi: Seller beware
The Rams boast a highly lucrative No. 2 pick, but Michael Lombardi says St. Louis better get huge returns for RGIII. More ...
While the Dolphins have been reported to have interest in dealing with the Rams, a team source told The Sun-Sentinel the motivation to give the package of picks required to land Griffin III “isn’t very high.”
The source told the Sun-Sentinel that the Rams are asking for a bundle of picks equivalent to the value of the No. 1 overall pick in the draft.
The Dolphins, however, might have other designs on how to fill their quarterback void. Many consider the Dolphins as among the favorites to land Peyton Manning if he is released by the Indianapolis Colts, or as a destination for impending free agent Matt Flynn of the Green Bay Packers.
Flynn's former offensive coordinator in Green Bay, Joe Philbin, was hired as the Dolphins' head coach.
The other "known" teams involved in trade talks with the Rams include the Cleveland Browns and Washington Redskins. All three teams have had preliminary discussions with the Rams, according to the St. Louis Post-Dispatch.
The Washington Post reported Tuesday that the Redskins, picking sixth overall, are prepared to give up a significant bundle of picks in order to move up to the No. 2 pick.
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Ray Didinger, an NFL Hall of Fame writer, considers the Browns to be the favorite to trade with the Rams for Robert Griffin.
My first thought...who is Ray Didinger?
My second thought, in Cleveland, Ray Didinger is "nobody" and his opinions are meaningless.
Tracking down the sources to these "hype" stories exposes the media for what it is...dishonest writers willing to say or claim anything, to get a headline.
This headline appeared in the PD this morning...
...Cleveland Browns have had preliminary talks with the Rams about trading up to No. 2 for Griffin III, report says...
The headline sites a source..."report says" ...I decide to find this report.
MaryK says the report came from "the St. Louis Post-Dispatch reported Tuesday".
Here is that so called, "report"...
Rams use combine to plan for trade
February 28, 2012 12:25 am
INDIANAPOLIS • Kevin Demoff, the Rams' executive vice president of football operations, drove home from the NFL scouting combine early Monday evening secure in the knowledge that the Rams had laid the groundwork for trading out of the No. 2 overall spot in the draft, and that Baylor quarterback Robert Griffin III had done everything possible (short of throwing) to make himself worth trading up for to the No. 2 spot.
Chalk up "reports" elsewhere that the Rams had "decided" to trade the pick as the "non-news" of the day.
Throughout the combine, the Rams have made no secret of the fact that they are shopping the pick. But if they don't receive an offer they like, they're not going to trade the pick. Simple as that.
As one team source said, "It's not like we're going to trade the pick for a seventh-rounder."
As to what it will take for someone to move up to No. 2, that remains to be seen. It's all speculation at this point. The Rams have had very preliminary discussions with Cleveland (at No. 4), Washington (at No. 6), and Miami (at No. 8), as well as some quarterback-needy teams outside the top 10.
Nothing resembling an offer has been made on either side of the fence. Such talks might not heat up until the NFL owners' meetings at the end of March. Which would be after Indianapolis decides what to do with Peyton Manning; after Green Bay makes a decision on whether to franchise Matt Flynn; after the March 13 start of free agency; and after Griffin holds his pro day and throws on March 21.
For now, the early front-runner for Griffin probably is Washington, in large part because of the good relationship between team executives (Washington's Bruce Allen and Demoff) and coaches (Jeff Fisher and Washington's Mike Shanahan).
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So, we have a report that is based on hearsay and no sources, resulting in a RUMOR...and that rumor spreads like wildfire and becomes fact to those living in a fantasy world where sources don't matter.
IMO, the Rams are hyping this thing..because they have NO OFFERS.
...they might be getting a little nervous resorting to pushing unsourced stories or just making sources up, knowing the media will carry their water, sources or not.
This thing is going to drag into late March, so we need to prepare ourselves and take everything that appears in print, with a grain of salt, unless a specific source is named...or we hear the news from Holmgren.
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I don't think it is all about this year as much as total value....Stl. is not a year away...or a player away...its going to need to build from the ground up...they have maybe 20 players that they feel they can build around...
If the Redskins were to just offer 10 first round picks over the next 12 years....You have to take it...doesn't matter that the Skins might be drafting #32 every year from now till 2024.
Fisher will put his stamp on this team over the next 3 years so 3 first round picks over the next 3 years would appeal to him....6 first rounders to build around....Letting Fisher move up or down has he sees fit.
I just don't think its as simple as 2 first this year might be more valuable in the short term than 1 and 1.....but what if the offer is 1 and 1 and 1 with a couple of mid rounders thrown in as well. The Skins are known for giving up draft picks, and using free agency to fill gaps.
All that being said...I think he will be a Brown if they want him.... everyone else will just be driving up the price a little higher than most would like.
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Nothing resembling an offer has been made on either side of the fence. Such talks might not heat up until the NFL owners' meetings at the end of March. Which would be after Indianapolis decides what to do with Peyton Manning; after Green Bay makes a decision on whether to franchise Matt Flynn; after the March 13 start of free agency; and after Griffin holds his pro day and throws on March 21.
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The Skins are known for giving up draft picks, and using free agency to fill gaps.
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The Browns, since 1999, have tried to build themselves a winner the same way Dan Snyder and the Redskins have...doing some trading of draft picks but especially by using free agency to fill gaps.
How has that philosophy worked for the Browns and the Redskins?
That was the way the Browns operated until Holmgren and Heckert arrived. But all that changed when H & H changed the philosophy for building the Browns, when they arrived in 2010.
H & H stated, they will rebuild the Browns via the draft, along with selective free agency deals and they have done just that since taking over.
It only took two seasons to show that rebuilding the Browns via the draft, works as the pass defense went from being below average to the #2 pass defense in the NFL this past season.
All Browns fans have to do is look at the players drafted and it becomes clear, the impact this rebuilding philosophy can have. The defense needs a few more pieces but now the main focus of the Browns draft can shift to the offensive needs.
Two more years of staying the course, rebuilding the Browns via the draft, will bring results.
The Browns cannot allow a return back to their previous building philosophy of trading away draft picks for the "star player" who never meets expectations...and once again our front office is forced to overpaying free agents who underperform, in an attempt to fill team needs. We tried that for 11 yrs and it did not work...we are smarter than that...I hope !
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The Browns, since 1999, have tried to build themselves a winner the same way Dan Snyder and the Redskins have...doing some trading of draft picks but especially by using free agency to fill gaps.
Really?
Could you give me examples of the old players the Browns have signed in free agency ahd given 7 year, $100 million deals like the Redskins did with Albert Haynesworth? (with $41 million in guarantees, no less)
When have the Browns traded away a shut down corner like Champ Bailey for a RB. (who was never equal value, no matter how good Clinton Portis was)
When did we sign an overrated (sorry Nikki) S like Adam Archuleta to a $30 million deal?
They threw huge dollars at unproductive guys liek Brandon Lloyd. (who was awful in Washington, and traded shorty thereafter)
They threw huge dollars at guys like Todd Collins, and Antwan Randel-El.
They have also signed productive guys like Andre Carter, Shaun Springs, Bruce Smith, London Fletcher, and Casey Raubaugh.
When have the Browns done stuff like that?
I do find it hilarious that people, you included, want to sign an untested, unproven free agent QB like Flynn to a huge free agent deal ..... which is exactly what the Redskins you rail against would do.
The biggest signing I can think of for the Browns was a WR who wound up in prison. We signed older players here or there, or a younger up and comer to help fill holes along the way, but I can't remember the Browns doing a "Redskin" which would include an 8 digit contract for a free agent, and the team competing against itself ...... for days on end.
Can you tell me when the Browns made a habit of doing this, as you say they have? Can you give me examples?
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RGIII sweepstakes in full mode … The draft is still just over two months away, but St. Louis is already willing to deal the 2nd pick overall this year. Whereas most deals with high picks aren’t consummated until just before the draft, the Rams appear to be hoping that another team will, in effect, pre-empt the competition by offering a big package of picks right now. The Rams may also want to try and move the second pick - and with it the opportunity to select Baylor QB Robert Griffin - before free agency begins on March 13th. The concern for the Rams likely is that teams which need a QB and have an early pick this year like Washington and Miami could take themselves out of the Griffin sweepstakes if they were able to sign aveteran free agent QB such as Peyton Manning or Matt Flynn. The Rams are believed to be asking for a package similar to the one the Giants sent to San Diego to acquire QB Eli Manning back in 2004. In that deal, the Chargers received two first round picks, as well as third- and fifth-round picks. Of course, the lower any team making an offer to the Rams picks the more picks they will likely have to offer. In fact, conventional wisdom suggests that the Rams would not want to trade down all that far this coming April, for fear of losing out on a shot to acquire all the top prospects this year. The unconventional wisdom, though, might dictate that St. Louis, which has a lot of needs heading into the draft, might just be willing to trade the pick into the middle of the opening round and try and build with quantity as much as with quality. Not surprisingly, the Rams have reportedly already had preliminary discussions with Cleveland, Washington, and Miami as well as one or two other teams about a possible deal, although it is not believed that St. Louis has received any concrete offers yet. According to the Washington Post, though, the Redskins would be willing to give up the 6th pick this year, as well as next year’s top pick and at least a couple of later round picks in order to move up. Meanwhile, sources in Cleveland indicate that the Browns would be willing to part with their two #1 picks this year - the 4th and 22nd picks - as well as one other pick. Interestingly, though, both Cleveland and Washington have hinted that they might be content to take Texas A&M QB Ryan Tannehill sooner rather than later in this year’s opening round if the asking price for a move up to the #1 spot becomes prohibitive. However, nothing much is expected to happen in the short term with the next prime window of opportunity for a deal the spring league meetings which are scheduled for the last week in March. In the meantime, get ready for plenty of smoke and mirrors! web page
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two first round picks, as well as third- and fifth-round picks.
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Then roll with 22-37 and 2 4th rounders...
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What's it worth to move up to get him? What will it take. The point is the situations were similar in that the Hype for both Russell and RG3 is insane.
I don't remember who it was back then,, but plenty of folks on here wanted us to mortgage the future to find a way to get Russell..
The hype in terms of physical ability is usually justified, it's someone's ability to put it all together that's overhyped. However, it drives me nuts when people try to compare RGIII to Russell/Leaf/Akili simply because they were all hyped up.
- Russell didn't bust because he was overhyped, in terms of talent Russell was incredible. He busted because he had 0 work ethic. He had tons of people try to resuscitate his career but he was more content to be lazy and eat his way out of the league. Hell, even John Lucas tried to help him turn it around and ended up quitting as his life coach.
- Leaf was the exact same. He had more physical gifts than Peyton (his arm was easily better than Peyton's) but 0 work ethic and a toxic attitude. He was lazy, blamed his teammates more than himself and kept getting into fights. He'll even admit it to this day that he screwed up his shot.
- Akili Smith - EXACT same issues. He had a ton of physical talent but held out which set him back, didn't have a work ethic at all and then wasn't mature enough to handle the early struggles. He let the criticism get to him and instead of working out his issues with the team, he went back to San Diego in the off-seasons to party it up.
If you go back and look at the high profile QB busts in recent memory, you'll almost always run across either a) work ethic issues b) maturity issues and/or c) being surrounded by an abysmal supporting cast (and no, with 2 Pro Bowl linemen already, the Browns don't qualify).
Those guys listed above had hype but couldn't live up to it. What exactly is going to stop RGIII from living up to his? He has all the physical tools. He has a great work ethic. He's incredibly mature, well-spoken and is a team leader. He's intelligent enough to learn whatever we throw at him. Sure, he's not necessarily "pro ready" given that he'll have to learn a lot of the offense but again... what is going to stop him from living up to the hype?
That's what excites me about RGIII and why I pray we find a way to get him. Not only does he have the tools to be a star, he has the intangibles to put it all together. A guy like JaMarcus was a big risk... a guy like RGIII is a smart one.
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two first round picks, as well as third- and fifth-round picks.
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3rd and 5th
2013 First
Then roll with 22-37 and 2 4th rounders...
I sign that document RIGHT NOW...
I'd rather give them #22 in THIS draft and be done with it...our 1st next season will most likely be a better pick and have probably more value to boot (see the "draft stuff" thread)....only way I would throw in next year's 1st is if we trade #22 for another team's 1st in 2013 and a 2nd this draft (Ingram-like deal)
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Very well said.
Russell busted and yeah, he had physical talent,,, BUT YEAH,, fans were nuts for him and wanted us to trade away whatever we had to to get him,.,
Nothing can change that.
Will history repeat itself with RG3? Honestly, I don't think so.. But it is still one hell of a risk.
One I don't believe the browns will take.
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Russell busted and yeah, he had physical talent,,, BUT YEAH,, fans were nuts for him and wanted us to trade away whatever we had to to get him,.,
I've heard this a couple of times now recently ... I don't remember this at all.
There may have been one or two posters, but the overwhelming majority of the board was absolutely terrified at the prospect of taking Russell.
That draft was a Thomas v. Peterson debate for months. A few folks wanted Calvin Johnson. I don't recall anyone clamoring for Russell. I'm sure there were a few, there always is ... but to say there was an outcry to move up for him is flat out revisionist.
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Russell was addicted to cough syrup. It explains a lot of his actions while with the Raiders.
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Russell was addicted to cough syrup. It explains a lot of his actions while with the Raiders.
So am I...Is that why I'm AFU???...lol...
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To be fair .. wasn't it purple drank?
Aka they took cough syrup and put sprite in it with jolly ranchers ... IIRC anyways ...
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two first round picks, as well as third- and fifth-round picks.
Sign me up man...Sign me up...
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3rd and 5th
2013 First
Then roll with 22-37 and 2 4th rounders...
I sign that document RIGHT NOW...
I'd rather give them #22 in THIS draft and be done with it...our 1st next season will most likely be a better pick and have probably more value to boot (see the "draft stuff" thread)....only way I would throw in next year's 1st is if we trade #22 for another team's 1st in 2013 and a 2nd this draft (Ingram-like deal)
I agree with Django. Chances are we'll be picking earlier than 22 in next year's draft. And if we're picking later than 22, well, I don't think many people will be complaining about taking Griffin then.
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The big Russell supporter was Savage, who knew him personally, and wanted to draft him desperately. There was just no way (thank goodness) to make a deal.
Russell still did have the physical traits that generally make a successful NFL QB. He busted, It happens, at each and every position imaginable.
The big debate that year on the boards was Joe Thomas or, ironically enough, Brady Quinn. I don't recall too much Calvin Johnson pimping going on.
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I've heard this a couple of times now recently ... I don't remember this at all.
It's absolutly true.. there were a few back then that are kinda talking like Ytown and a few others are today.. We gotta get this guy kinda talk.
I will say that I don't remember the media being so much in favor of it.. Some were for sure.. But it wasn't like it is now.
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