There was one play I remember where he's rolling out of the pocket to the right, under heavy, heavy pressure, and he's almost to the sideline .... and somehow he completes a pass on the sideline, like 10-15 yards down the field. I swear that I didn't even see his arm move.
I had to go back and watch it several times, and I still could hardly see his arm move.The ball just rocketed out for a completion. It was one of the most incredible "small" plays I have seen.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Second of all....How about playing in a restrictive system that won't take advantage of his strongest attributes and is dependant upon his weakest...nor having the talent around him to help him succeed and then giving up the means in order to get that talent around him for several years....
Not saying he can't do it...but you asked...I answered...
Courtney Brown was plagued by injuries. You just can't predict injuries unless a guy has a chronic condition that causes them. One time injuries that don't make a guy more vulnerable mean nothing because they're repaired and heal. RGIII doesn't play like Vick. Sure, he runs, but he's a pass first guy. He'll get dinged up I'd imagine but nowhere to the point where it'll derail his entire career.
He would be playing in a crap system (the way we run it anyway), you're right. Hopefully putting him into it would force innovation and at the very least open up the WCO. I mean, the WCO has produced some amazing offenses in the past and present... there's no reason we need to keep running WCO101 unless we don't have the personnel to do more (especially at QB).
For the "talent around him" argument, try to play the scenario out a bit... we trade #4, #22, #68 and #101 for him which is a lot (two 1s a 3rd and 4th). I know the value chart isn't perfect but that's over 2900 points for a pick worth 2600. That could probably get it done because all those picks are in the present unlike Washington's offer. Take our 2nd rounder and trade down to the middle of the round for a team who wants to leap. #37 for #50 and #82 works. Now we're picking #4, #50, #82 and #118 (or whatever it is, our extra from the Falcons). We still have a pick in every round 1-7. I don't know about you but that's plenty of ammo to find some weapons... AND our future drafts are 100% intact. Barely a dent in the war chest. Such is the beauty of owning extra picks this year.
I understand your fear... I don't blame any fan for being risk averse after all these failed drafts. I just think that with all the extra ammo we're packing and how we desperately need playmakers on offense and excitement for the franchise, NOW is the time to strike.
One other thing ..... going back to the video with Gruden and the WCO play .....
For those who say that RG3 would be wasted in that kind of offense, what route does the left outside receiver run? (hint: a go pattern) Think that a guy like RG3 might hit a few of those over the top? I do.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Tannehill vs. RG3 Game really highlights how bad Tannehill's receivers were and how bad Griffin's offensive line was. Really this was the game that started RG3's climb up the boards.
RG's throwat 2:37min is a thing of beauty....I don't know how many times we called that shotgun-PlayAction with single coverage on the outside and I screamed at the Screen for Colt to throw it where the single coverage is...RG threw that ball WELL BEFORE his WR was open and IN STRIDE so he could score an easy TD after the catch....the ball left his hand when the WR was 10yds into his route and he caught it 30yds from LOS....who said he can't anticipate throws? I've never seen Colt throw this pass, NEVER...2seconds after the snap 30yds downfield into single coverage? Never....when he threw those it was after 5+ seconds, heavy scrambling and into jump ball situations with WR and CB almost stopped waiting for the ball
Closest thing to this was Colt's game winning TD pass vs Miami to Massa...that was probably McCoy's best throw I've ever seen, considering situation, decision, touch/placement/execution
Both QBs know where they want to go with the ball very quickly...the ball was off their hands in 2-3 seconds mostly...even on those deep passes by RG...that was impressive
#gmstrong
"Players come along at different points in time" - Ray Farmer
Wish i could find the entire game, it was a thing of beauty for both QBs. This is big time rivalry and they really went at it. It was obvious who the premier players were for both teams.
I hope NFL network shows their proday workouts. It is gonna be a fun ride till draft day.
Side note here...for those fans who blast other fans for wanting to lose games at the end of a season where there are no hopes of a playoff appearance so we can get a higher draft position, well, sitting at 4 sure as Hell is nicer than sitting at #6 right now. .
Sometimes losing a battle to win a war makes sense...
Don't forget about the fans who wanted to "suck for Luck" from the get go. These fans realized we weren't a playoff team from the start. If we could have lost a few more games we had no buisness winning anyway, we could be shopping the number one pick to move down one spot and then actually be gaining picks and still end up with Luck or RG3 (or take your favorite without trading). I would say the suck for Luck fans had it right all along if their goal was to eventually get to the superbowl.
I'll direct those that are wondering what I'm talking about to watch the third video. It's the game against Rice.
I was thinking about breaking down each and every pass but I'm too lazy to tell you the truth.
When you watch him throw the ball take note how often he throws without fully engaging his lower half and driving the ball off his front plant leg.
It's almost every throw.
His passing mechanics in this respect are as bad as I've seen an otherwise successful QB show.
This is not an ideal comparison but it's kind of like watching LeBron when he was young with the Cavs shooting off-balance fall-aways and missing. I would tear my hair out because 1. it was often completely unnecessary and 2. he'd probably make quite a few more if he squared his body and jumped up in the same way time after time.
It's not an ideal comparison as RG3 is nowhere near the prospect that LeBron was coming into the NBA...but hopefully you get the drift.
Prime Examples - 1:43 (Wow that's ugly), 2:30 (TD! And the ball is delivered to exactly the right spot so can't hate too much!)
He missed a few throws too where he did not put enough zip on the throw.
Example 0:19 - Waits too long for Wright to show himself as open. Then throws a softball that is behind him. Really pretty ugly play all around.
He throws a lot of quarter arm, elbow stuck to his side passes.
Example 0:46, 4:31, 4:40, 5:04
Sometimes he tries to guide the ball.
Example 1:28 - Is unsure how hard to throw it...and that's a function of his irregular mechanics....and he overthrows his wide open reciever.
Ugly fumble play at 7:00
And to show the positives.
I like the throws at 1:57, 3:36, 6:38, 8:00
Did he have a single WOW throw in this sample. No he didn't for me. He did have a couple WOW runs but no throws.
The only WOW throw I've seen was the Alamo Bowl throw in the third quarter that I mentioned that night. It's the first link and at 8:13.
That changed my mind that there's something to work with. I literally hopped off my couch and said ok now that's an NFL throw right there.
I need to watch more but watching that Rice first half only pushed me further away from using the #4 pick on him let alone three first rounders.
I would like to draft him later, let him sit for 2012 and work on his mechanics, then see what we have in 2013. We might have a gem.
btw...did RG3 do anything other than stand tall to WOW at that combine?
No.
He's a track guy (hurdles) so I knew he was going to fly in the 40. His other numbers, broad jump and vert, were frankly disappointing to me.
He's smart and gregarious and great with the media. Just like he was last week.
Basically I'm just saying he's exactly the same guy before the combine as he was after the combine + 1 inch.
If you were paying attention before then all this new attention and talk about 17 first rounders in a trade with the Rams talk is just...air filler, hype machine keep listening/watching talk.
Quote: I'm convinced, lets trade to with Seattle to #12, get some more picks from them and take Tannehill.
Is this sincere or Sarcasm.
Honestly I would understand the value of either Qb as long as they don't trade 2 firsts for anybody.
If you trade back to 12 Tannehill might not be there, or he may be there at 37, but in the last... if that's who you want take him. I'd worry the Cowboys might take him for the Qb of the future and they pick 13 I think.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
If I'm at 4, and have lost out on Luck, RG3, and Claiborne, then I'm trading back if possible. I think that we could trade back to the 10 range and get Richardson if we want him ...... and I am not interested in Tannehill, as he's probably 2-3 years away, and will be on a 4 year deal.
If I draft a QB high, I want him ready to go from day 1 ..... because he is probably going to get thrown into the fire whether we want him to or not ...... and I want a guy who is ready to go.
That's not Tannehill. He is a massive project. I do not see a good end if we draft him.
I want no part of him.
That's my ESHO.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Quote: If you were paying attention before then all this new attention and talk about 17 first rounders in a trade with the Rams talk is just...air filler, hype machine keep listening/watching talk.
U got it...The closer the NFL gurus get to this kid the more hype there's gonna be...Because he's impressive in everything he does...And believe me...I hate Heisman Winners at any position...Luck shoulda gotten it...Hopefully Griffin breaks the mold...
So what's the Hype u and Mour have going for Tannehill that's driven a 2nd rounder as high as us taking him at 4???...He hasn't even SPOKE yet...
Quote: I'm convinced, lets trade to with Seattle to #12, get some more picks from them and take Tannehill.
i don't know. one of the bigger jokes going around here is how much better RGIII's numbers would look if he got to play against Baylor's D like the rest of the BigXII did.
If it goes: Luck, RGIII (to Skins), and Claiborne, then we better take Kalil at #4. Having him opposite Thomas would instantly give us one of the best lines in football.
I would be trading down as fast as I could if I lost Luck, RG3, and Claiborne. I would probably try to get to around 10 and take Richardson.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
My first thoughts are Baylors receivers are fast. I'd like to see Kendall Wright as a Brown.
About RG:
Does an average job of hitting wide, wide open receivers.
Decent arm strength.
Loves to run. And takes a lot of hits. A LOT of hits.
Accuracy on MOVING targets? Avg at best.
Each game had maybe 2 or 3 really good passes. Other wise? He was hitting guys that weren't moving and/or were wide, wide open.
Over throws. Under throws.
Footwork? The guy is obviously an athlete. His mechanics are in need of help though. Doesn't plant and throw. Too often has a hitch in his motion. That's probably why his 10-15 yd. downfield passes lacked anything over "decent" accuracy. 30 and 40 yd passes? He over threw or underthrew as many as he hit.
Baylor's receivers are fast!
After watching all of these - I found myself wondering why Luck didn't get the heisman trophy.
Call me whatever.....no skin off my back - I just didn't see an nfl ready qb. Honestly, due to all the hype about him - I expected to see much, much more in terms of accuracy, arm strength, etc.
He has potential - but it's "athletic" potential. I see him struggling in the nfl. But, we'll find out soon enough, won't we?
Quote: If you ignore the fact that Kalil isn't really a RT...
Nearly all of the starting RTs in the NFL were LTs in college
I'm not sure why people think being a good pass blocker means you can't play RT -- it's ridiculous.
I also don't understand why people would want Claiborne (even though we already have a great CB in Haden), but use the excuse that we already have a great LT to imply that we shouldn't get an RT. Both the defensive backfield and offensive line are so similar, in that you are only as good as your weakest link.
Quote: Call me whatever.....no skin off my back - I just didn't see an nfl ready qb. Honestly, due to all the hype about him - I expected to see much, much more in terms of accuracy, arm strength, etc.
He has potential - but it's "athletic" potential. I see him struggling in the nfl. But, we'll find out soon enough, won't we?
I won't call u names...But I'd like to...REALLY like to...
I'm enamoured by the fact that u see so little in what is going to end up being the #2 pick in this draft...And would be #1 if it weren't for Luck...Yet the Browns are knee deep in even discussing moving up to 2 for Griffin...
Damn it Heckert...Stop already...This dude on some website says NO...And he's apparently some elite QB talent evaluator...
I think Griffin if going to bust and Tannehil is really going to be a winner in this league. Right now if the Browns Don't get Tannehill I'll be highly disappointed.
I wouldn't use 22 on Claibourne, I just don't want to see them draft another Cb in the 1st, no matter what! I think Tannehill is ready, Flynn is ready, McCoy is ready, RG3 would be some kind of a consolation prize, but the problem is if you bring in RG3 the pressure will be to part ways with McCoy, so its an all in bet. Boom or Bust if you sign RG3 you don't have McCoy still on the team
For Me, Tannehill and McCoy Flynn and McCoy are both better options than RG3 and Senaca Wallace.
I think RG3 is gonna take 3 years to be any good and Ryan Tannehill is ready to step in right away and play ball, I think he can win more games than McCoy, this year, ( maybe, but only because McCoy has the year and a half on the team advantage and I'm allowing for his possible coming out year,) but
short of a coming out much better year for McCoy, then Tannehill is the better Qb than McCoy this year and RG3 is going to take 3 years to develop, ... If he doesn't blow out a wheel like all the " athletes" seem to...
So for me it's a no brainer, Tannehill and McCoy is a great option.
Flynn and Tannehill might even be a Better! option! and Flymn and McCoy would be a great option also.
They all 3 beat RG3 and McCoy is pushed out of the door, espcially if you give up anything more than just sitting at #4 and letting Rg3 be there.
That's my opinion.
Rg3 didn't face baylor? Well he faced some prett bad schools along with his 4 or 5 or 6 total good wins in 2 years.
Not everybody can play TCU, and Rice twice, and buffalo, sam houston state, stephen F Austin. Those are teams to pad his stats and generally he did, but he didnt get a chance to pad his stats vs the baylor D? Come ON, all those schools are worse than Mississippi St. and most of the rest of the Kansas' Missouri's Kansas st's and Iowa states' don't have good defenses either.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
Talking about Kalil is a little silly. No way, not a chance, 100% guaranteed not to happen, he drops past the 3rd pick. Both St. Louis and Minnesota need a LT, BAD. Both teams won't pass up the opportunity to get him.
If we don't come away with RG3, then we trade down or get Claiborne. Claiborne would be nice paired with Haden. It would be REALLY nice to paired that secondary with a pass rush monster.
There is no level of sucking we haven't seen; in fact, I'm pretty sure we hold the patents on a few levels of sucking NOBODY had seen until the past few years.
I find it disappointing that we spend time breaking down the actual tape on RG3 to explain our position and we've yet to see one of his biggest fans do the same.
If you really support trading a bounty of picks for this guy then roll the tape and explain to me why.
ok, you like Tannehill better than RGIII. fair enough as you would not be the only one with that opinion.
but, umm, you bash RGIII for the defenses he played as the main argument against him? you do realize that A&M played in the same conference as Baylor, right? they don't start in the SEC until next year.
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Rg3 didn't face baylor? Well he faced some prett bad schools along with his 4 or 5 or 6 total good wins in 2 years.