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http://espn.go.com/nfl/draft2012/story/_...ick-sources-saySources: Rams decide to deal 2nd pickBy Adam Schefter ESPN According to sources, the Rams already have had trade discussions with the Cleveland Browns (No. 4), Washington Redskins (No. 6) and Miami Dolphins (No. 8), each of whom is scheduled to pick in the top eight in April's draft. The Rams, who already have quarterback and 2010 top pick Sam Bradford, also have discussed a potential trade with teams outside the top 10, according to a source, but it will be challenging for one to surrender enough compensation to vault to the second overall pick. The Rams are seeking a deal similar to what the San Diego Chargers got for the rights to 2004 top overall pick Eli Manning, sources said Monday.Manning was selected by the Chargers with the No. 1 overall pick in 2004 and traded to the New York Giants for two first-round picks, a third-round pick and a fifth-round choice. With those picks, the Chargers ended up adding quarterback Philip Rivers, linebacker Shawne Merriman and kicker Nate Kaeding, all of whom have made multiple Pro Bowls. The team that trades up to No. 2 on April 26 will likely select either quarterback Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III. St. Louis' second overall choice became the focal point after RG3's sterling effort at the combine in Indianapolis on Sunday cemented Griffin and Luck as the likely top two overall picks on April 26. While neither Luck nor Griffin decided to throw at the Indianapolis event, Griffin was officially clocked at 4.41 in the 40-yard dash, while Luck came in at 4.67. Luck also put his versatility on display Sunday. His broad jump (10 feet, 4 inches) was two inches short of quarterback Cam Newton 's best in 2011, and Luck's vertical jump (36 inches) was better than Newton's (35). Griffin was better than Luck in the vertical jump (39 inches) but fell short in the broad jump (10 feet). The Indianapolis Colts, who hold the No. 1 pick, have said they will draft a successor to quarterback Peyton Manning with the top pick. Among the teams Griffin interviewed with in Indianapolis were Miami, Washington, Minnesota and Kansas City. He said all went well, including his talk with Indianapolis executives trying to decide what to do with Manning and that top pick.
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In other late-breaking news, the New York Giants won the Super Bowl. 
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I don't understand why the Rams would come out and openly say they're going to trade the pick. what if no one is willing to pay the ransom they're asking and they're left holding the #2? How's that make them look?
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I don't understand why the Rams would come out and openly say they're going to trade the pick. what if no one is willing to pay the ransom they're asking and they're left holding the #2? How's that make them look?
It's not exactly "openly" saying it ... although I get the feeling they leeked this to try and drive up a bidding war between the Dolphins, Redskins and Browns.
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the Rams are fearful that the Skins will sign Flynn or Peyton and undercut the market with us IMO
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In other late-breaking news, the New York Giants won the Super Bowl.
No doubt. In other news....Did you guys hear about Peyton Manning's neck? I guess he had surgery on it last week. Something tells me that injury is going to be a big factor in regards to Manning's big bonus and future with the Colts.
If they're asking for two #1s and the Browns want RG3, we'll have him. The Phins and Skins can't trump our two first rounders this year.
If I had to guess right now, I would bet were 51% moving up to get him.
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In a typical situation where a team would hope to trade out of a slot, there may be a guy that a team might[/] want.
But this is different. Robert Griffin III....is different.
There's no point in hiding the fact they are going to trade. He's that much of a rock-star now that it's a foregone conclusion.
It's like trying announcing the Hope Diamond is for sale. The amount of bidders would be off the charts.
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not sure why ESPN felt the need to write this.. we know they are going to make a trade.. yet they are acting like the deal is done and set in stone.. signed and sealed.. 
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If they're only looking for 2 1sts, a 3rd and a 5th and we're set on taking RGIII, I don't see how we could lose. Only way is if someone comes in with a "we'll give you our entire draft for the next 2 years" type situation.
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I have Said it before and I will say it again NO TO RGIII we have to get weapons,. you know what you get if you have RG3 with our weak anemic offense? Colt Mccoy.. Blackmon with the #4 with Little and Ruben Randle with #22 and with the 37th LaMicheal James... then work on Defense with our other 6 picks!!!! throw in an OL too but still... THE ONLY way I WILL be sold on RG3 is if they sign Marshawn Lynch or Matt Forte and they sign Vincent Jackson or Marques Colston or Meechem
Jussayin to trade a draft away and future draft picks for another QB is like putting a bandaid on an amputated leg!!
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If they're only looking for 2 1sts, a 3rd and a 5th and we're set on taking RGIII, I don't see how we could lose. Only way is if someone comes in with a "we'll give you our entire draft for the next 2 years" type situation.
Ok, so do you offer our 2 firsts, third and 5th this year.. or do you try to keep our #22 first this year and offer them our only first next year?
Just curious... because if we can keep the #22 pick, we could also add a pretty good WR this year.. then next year be without a first.
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Personally, I would try to add a WR in free agency.
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If they're only looking for 2 1sts, a 3rd and a 5th and we're set on taking RGIII, I don't see how we could lose. Only way is if someone comes in with a "we'll give you our entire draft for the next 2 years" type situation.
Ok, so do you offer our 2 firsts, third and 5th this year.. or do you try to keep our #22 first this year and offer them our only first next year?
Just curious... because if we can keep the #22 pick, we could also add a pretty good WR this year.. then next year be without a first.
Sign it NOW...
2012 #4
2012 3rd
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NOW...And run to the bank...Keeping 22 and 37...And 22 is as good as your 2013 1st...
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If they're only looking for 2 1sts, a 3rd and a 5th and we're set on taking RGIII, I don't see how we could lose. Only way is if someone comes in with a "we'll give you our entire draft for the next 2 years" type situation.
Ok, so do you offer our 2 firsts, third and 5th this year.. or do you try to keep our #22 first this year and offer them our only first next year?
Just curious... because if we can keep the #22 pick, we could also add a pretty good WR this year.. then next year be without a first.
Sign it NOW...
2012 #4
2012 3rd
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2013 1st
NOW...And run to the bank...Keeping 22 and 37...And 22 is as good as your 2013 1st...
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If they're only looking for 2 1sts, a 3rd and a 5th and we're set on taking RGIII, I don't see how we could lose. Only way is if someone comes in with a "we'll give you our entire draft for the next 2 years" type situation.
Ok, so do you offer our 2 firsts, third and 5th this year.. or do you try to keep our #22 first this year and offer them our only first next year?
Just curious... because if we can keep the #22 pick, we could also add a pretty good WR this year.. then next year be without a first.
Sign it NOW...
2012 #4
2012 3rd
2012 5th
2013 1st
NOW...And run to the bank...Keeping 22 and 37...And 22 is as good as your 2013 1st...
DO IT HECKERT...NOW...
I'd do that in a heartbeat ......
On the other hand, it might not even take that long. 
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I have Said it before and I will say it again NO TO RGIII we have to get weapons,. you know what you get if you have RG3 with our weak anemic offense? Colt Mccoy.. Blackmon with the #4 with Little and Ruben Randle with #22 and with the 37th LaMicheal James... then work on Defense with our other 6 picks!!!! throw in an OL too but still... THE ONLY way I WILL be sold on RG3 is if they sign Marshawn Lynch or Matt Forte and they sign Vincent Jackson or Marques Colston or Meechem
Jussayin to trade a draft away and future draft picks for another QB is like putting a bandaid on an amputated leg!!
So basically what your saying is, Sure, go up and get RG3 if you can find the rest of what you need to make it work in Free Agency? Do I have that right?
If so, I could live with that.. and the good news is this, we can land all that in FA before we have to commit in the draft. so it really could work out.
The thing is, The FO of the Browns has repeatedly told us, we will build through the draft. so, unless they are changing thier tune (which of course, they could do) then I don't see them diving head first in the FA Market.
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The thing is, The FO of the Browns has repeatedly told us, we will build through the draft. so, unless they are changing thier tune (which of course, they could do) then I don't see them diving head first in the FA Market.
Don't we kind of have to, though? I'm not a salary cap guru, but don't we have to spend like 90% of our cap this year, and have like $50mil in cap space?
We aren't going to fill that by signing 50 rookies. If there is a time to delve into Free Agency, this is the year.
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So, if the asking price is as listed in this article, we would still have these natural picks:
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plus, we are predicted to have 4 comp picks (2 each in rounds 6 and 7). I posted in the other thread what i believe to be a pretty solid haul if we were to go that route, and next year's draft would be untouched.
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I don't think this FO has a problem with Free Agency. I think they're just cautious about signing guys who might be on the wrong end of their career.
If a guy like Dwayne Bowe was available, a guy at a position of need who is just entering his prime, I think this FO would jump on that.
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Manning was selected by the Chargers with the No. 1 overall pick in 2004 and traded to the New York Giants for two first-round picks, a third-round pick and a fifth-round choice.
If that indeed is what it takes, my feeling is we could do that except I'd make the 3rd rounder a 4th rounder.
The fact we have 2 1st rounders this year make it better than a future. I'd give up the best of both the 4th and 5th round.
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I don't think this FO has a problem with Free Agency. I think they're just cautious about signing guys who might be on the wrong end of their career.
If a guy like Dwayne Bowe was available, a guy at a position of need who is just entering his prime, I think this FO would jump on that.
I'm thinking the guy they want in free agency is Colston.
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If they're only looking for 2 1sts, a 3rd and a 5th and we're set on taking RGIII, I don't see how we could lose. Only way is if someone comes in with a "we'll give you our entire draft for the next 2 years" type situation.
If the Browns are going to give up and go after RGIII then do it this draft but do not go crazy and do something like this. TOO MANY HOLES to give up to much draft this and next year for ONE PLAYER. Sorry guys that want him but this is the state this team is in. I have been watching him and can say he does look good and sounds good but just can't get over the fact this team has so many holes in it. This team will have a top 15 if not top 10 pick again next year and that is worth more then a pick at 22 so give them that and some lower picks next year. Just my 2 cents and now back to lurking. 
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It is my opinion that building through the draft does not exclude a free agent here or there to help.
They signed Brandon Jackson last year because they felt that he could fill a role very well for this team.
They passed on a guy like Ray Edwards, reportedly not even bringing him in for a visit.
In fact, even with dire and pressing needs on the DL, they didn't bring in, to my recollection, a single DL last year.
Most are ungodly expensive, and I don't think that the team will blow up their salary structure to add a guy. (sorry fans of a certain OLB/DE currently in Houston, with the first name Marion, but I think that this excludes him as a possibility for us)
Heckert has said that he feels that he can find pass rushers later in the draft, and I think that he has proved that over the years. Thus I don't see that as a position we will pursue.
I do think that the team will look at OL, LB, RB, WR, and the available QBs in free agency. Holmgren (or maybe it was Heckert) has said that we most likely would not be bringing in a free agent QB ..... but who knows?
I think that the team will look for a guy they feel can come in and take the job at RT and keep it for the next 4-5 years. I don't know if they will find that type of player, but I have to believe that it will be a target, I am certain that they will try to bring in a WR with plenty of time left in his career. They will look for a younger veteran, and if KC let's Bowe explore the market, he could be a target.
I also think that they will look for a LB to play opposite Gocong.
I just realized this ...... but we might be the only team with their 2 starting OLB having Eastern surnames. (Fujita and Gocong) weird.
Anyway ...... if the team can find quality starter level players at RT, WR, and LB, why not put together a massive package to ensure that we get the QB we so desperately need? What pressing needs would we have left? RB? Easily found throughout the draft, or even outside of the draft. DB? Maybe, but certainly less pressing if we resign Adams and Patterson. Pass rusher? Heckert has found them in the 2nd for us, and in the 5th for the Eagles. If there is one thing he seems to know, it;s pass rushers. (Jayme Mitchell notwithstanding)
Anyway ...... if we handle these additions in free agency, which would appear very possible, then we could enter the draft with few desperate needs. We add our QB, and grow from there.
That's how I see it.
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It sounds like the Rams want a deal in place prior to the FA period. Quote:
Among the teams Griffin interviewed with in Indianapolis were Miami, Washington, Minnesota and Kansas City. He said all went well, including his talk with Indianapolis executives trying to decide what to do with Manning and that top pick.
What's missing here?
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U want my long story or short???... U R PEGGED ON CHIEF!!!!!!!!!!!!! Virtually every single person that is against going up for Griffin is using the "We can't build" excuse... I say BS... And not a damn one of em' will ball up and layout a FA and Draft Plan AFTER trading up for Griffin to see exactly what we can STILL do afterwards...Both Draft & FA... The conglomerate is "We can't sell the farm"..."It's a Kings Ransom"... BS... If u guys would THINK for a minute u might actually see that we CAN indeed build this team...Even trading up to 2... Mour???...Wasn't it u that said this??? Quote:
Hell RG3 would probably get a lot more love around here if his supporters weren't so freaking annoying with you are stupid if you don't want this kid crap.
Yes...Yes it was u...And on the same damn hand we get the BS about "Your stupid if u don't think we should BUILD the team first"...Or in your case..."We gotta take Tannehill"...
I STILL have yet to see any single individual that DOES NOT wanna go get Griffin...Actually SHOW US exactly what we could STILL do if we traded up and still had picks and FA available to us...
Why don't u take your Scouting Savy and SHOW ME exactly what we could do if we spent the picks to go to 2...Instead of being fixated on Tannehill in a trade down scenario...Cause there is NO DAMN WAY we r going Tanny at 4 chief...NONE...
Open your mind...U might convince me...Cause I'm NOT 100% confident we will move to 2...
Throw us some scenarios instead of slammin' the idea of going up to 2 for Griffin...
Did all that make sense???
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What's missing here?
Of course they do...Hellooooooooo....
And it ain't happening...
They know they don't wanna see what happens in FA...That's SMART...And Washington will give them the best deal prior to FA...Cause we won't touch it...Not until draft day...
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Its a QB league...if you don't have one...you are not winning football games.....I said this in another thread awhile ago....if you think RG3 is the guy...then you go get him.
Your two first round choices this year may actually hurt you.....in so much as that could start driving up the price to move....You have the most value right now....so if the Skins or anyone else wants to move up...they are going to have to offer even more...and they know it......Carson Palmer ended up with 2 firsts attached to him....and he was used goods.....The Rams could easily say....Look...Cleveland is offering both their firsts this year, a 5 and a lets say 3 next year....in which case the Redskins go....well we don't have two firsts this years...so we will give you our first for the next 3 years.....plus some lower rounds.
They are going to have to offer a lot more than you to make the move.....How high do you bid if its a bidding war?
But I say again...if he is the guy...then you go get him....no matter the price.
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First off not once have I said we gotta get Tannehill. Tannehill is an option whether some want to admit it or not. RG3 is an option just like Matt Flynn.
We give up 1 22 our 3rd and say a 4th next year, we wouldnt be in horrible shape although I wouldn't make the move.
1st RG3
2nd Vinny Curry seems real likely here.
1st 4th Turbin RB utah St. kid is a monster lots of backs available here
2nd 4th Adcock, Datko, top rate RT, Good spot for RT only types
Take your 6th and a 5th from next year to get back to early 5th and take Jordan White Gonna be a steal in a loaded receiver class.
Rest just take the fastes linebacker and secondary players you can find.
And yes you are still annoying as hell :P lol
So we have QB, DE, RB, WR,
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but, if everyone sits tight through FA, then alot of these teams you are bargaining against will have settled their QB slots and it will undercut the Rams power. is Snyder going to risk losing out on a QB when he knows we hold the best ammo to trade up?
no way I do a deal now. i call the Rams bluff.
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Couldn't disagree more.
EVERYTHING has a point of diminishing returns. I don't care how much you may like a guy. No one player is worth throwing an entire Draft at.
Browns is the Browns
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Carson Palmer ended up with 2 firsts attached to him
Unless the Raiders make it to the AFC Championship game it will only be this years 1st and 2013 2nd.
The shape the Raiders are in I doubt they even make the playoffs next year.
The wild cards we have are:
1) We have two firsts this year. It's hard to give a value to next years first rounder when you don't know where it could be.
2) We have the #4 pick this year that will net STL a pretty good offensive player to help Bradford. Either Kalil or Blackmon. At #6 they will probably have Richardson left if he is even valued that high after the reports he had knee surgury.
I still think all it will take is our #4 and #22. Offer that and they will take it. I doubt that they want to move down to #6 unless Washington is offering three #1's which I seriously doubt they do.
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I can guarantee, if the Browns pull off a trade for RGIII, the first thing the cheerleaders are going to say...the front office needs to address RGIII's supporting cast.
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I know they are some "IF's" however
IF Hillis is resigned and plays like he did in 2010
IF the FO picks up a quality FA WR and IF Little improves to a #2 WR and MoMass is our #3.
IF We can find a Right Tackle to shore up the Right side.
We would have an improved supporting cast that would help no matter who is at QB and we would still have our 2nd, 3rd, (2) 4ths with many later picks (some from compensation) to work with. I would be willing to give up our #4 and #22 for RG3, but anything outside throwing in a Late round pick thats all I'd want to give up.
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I can guarantee, if the Browns pull off a trade for RGIII, the first thing the cheerleaders are going to say...the front office needs to address RGIII's supporting cast.
Of coarse they will want to eat their cake
Anyone else find it strange that there was no mention of the Browns interview?
If we are not pursuant of Griffen, then naturally the Rams are indeed in a hurry to get a deal done.
Hey Washington ... it will cost you less to move up to #4 on Draft day 
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Virtually every single person that is against going up for Griffin is using the "We can't build" excuse...
I say BS...
And not a damn one of em' will ball up and layout a FA and Draft Plan AFTER trading up for Griffin to see exactly what we can STILL do afterwards...Both Draft & FA...
Well I am not in the we cant get him have stated many times if Heckert has RG2 rated as higher then #3 on his board he will be a Cleveland Brown.
I also have said many times I would trade down get more picks NEXT year because I like that draft class alot better. Its deeper.
Finally I dont have to come up with a plan on if we trade all the picks to move up because my plan is get MORE picks next year.
I have listed the last I think 6 drafts and in every single 2 QB draft the 2nd guy has been avg at best (Sanchez and Quinn) and Flacco was taken 18th. In drafts with more then 2 QB's taken in the first round the others all fell within the top 20.
We have no problems moving up down or letting the draft fall to us.
If you need 3 years to be a winner you got here 2 years to early. Get it done Browns.
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Colt McCoy is "coarse" but of course we do need weapons on offense, that is undeniable.
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Hey Washington ... it will cost you less to move up to #4 on Draft day
Exactly. What would the Browns be willing to accept from the Redskins to move down to #6 from #4? What would the FO demands be to move down those two spots? I gather that it would be less than this years first, second and third plus next year's first. I think it could be done for Washington's 2nd rounder this year and next year's 1st rounder.
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I can guarantee, if the Browns pull off a trade for RGIII, the first thing the cheerleaders are going to say...the front office needs to address RGIII's supporting cast.
Wow...Ya' think???
Go Browns!!!
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If Miami grabs Flynn, then the only other forseeable trade partner besides Washington would be Seattle, do St Louis or Minnesota want to drop down THAT far? Does Seattle even want to trade up for RG3? (Barkley next year)
St Louis wants Washington to make the deal NOW because if basically it's between them and us, and if we're not bidding, then theres no bidding...
If Miami signs Flynn before a trade is made, and the FO would rather trade back then grab RG3, I'd give Dan a call, work it out...
Hey St Louis, you still get Kalil, nothing personal...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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