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Look, ytown - YOU have built this guy up as the answer. IF, he comes here - and we don't win 10 games, well, how does crow taste?
U have GOT to b kidding me...
U need a break man...Cause u obviously can't handle this...
That's just ignorant...
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Gee whiz. It's like we are watching two different teams.
1) Dropped passes - Browns led the league (Colt's fault?)
2) Bad play calling.
Colt didn't call a 3 yard pass on 3rd and 8. He didn't call bad run sequences at the goal line. Our offense, somehow, kept us in most of the games last year even though we lost.
I just don't understand the "Colt is our problem" mindset.
I'm not a Colt fan boy, but he just might have it. I knew much earlier that Frye and Anderson did not have it. Colt just might, but I don't know either way yet. Again, if they take RG3 at 4 I'm fine with it.
I have only seen a couple of pages of a real NFL playbook, but it is extremely complicated. Everyone needs to be on the "same page" and it takes more than one season with a new coach and system, especially without a preseason.
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Sorry if i am reading you wrong here, but our 1st pick next year isn't on the block. We will still have that if we make the trade for RGIII
I bet you if we make the trade for RG3, we'll end up having to give that up....
4 and 22 this year, probably something else later in the draft and 1 next year..
If we had to give up 4 and 22 this year and our 1st next year, would you still trade for the 2nd pick this year?
No way....I'll bet you a traditional steak dinner.....bone in rib eye, potato choice, side choice, salad, before dinner Martini, and a bottle of mid level wine to split....say in the $50 range.
One of the downtown steak houses, winner picks and doesn't gouge the host.
In a Gentleman's bet in my parts, the winner picks up the 20% tip.
Yes or no??
And to clarify, you are saying 3 number ones.....both this year as well as next years.
Look at it this way.....it might cost you $200-250, but you will have had dinner with me. That makes it at least $20 worth it!
Again, yes or no....no BS. My offer is on the table.
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Sorry if i am reading you wrong here, but our 1st pick next year isn't on the block. We will still have that if we make the trade for RGIII
I bet you if we make the trade for RG3, we'll end up having to give that up....
4 and 22 this year, probably something else later in the draft and 1 next year..
If we had to give up 4 and 22 this year and our 1st next year, would you still trade for the 2nd pick this year?
No way....I'll bet you a traditional steak dinner.....bone in rib eye, potato choice, side choice, salad, before dinner Martini, and a bottle of mid level wine to split....say in the $50 range.
One of the downtown steak houses, winner picks and doesn't gouge the host.
In a Gentleman's bet in my parts, the winner picks up the 20% tip.
Yes or no??
And to clarify, you are saying 3 number ones.....both this year as well as next years.
Look at it this way.....it might cost you $200-250, but you will have had dinner with me. That makes it at least $20 worth it!
Again, yes or no....no BS. My offer is on the table.
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not "A" 1st,, but 1 pick next year..
but that aside, i do think it's going to take more than our 4, 22 and something from next year.. my guess is, 4, 22, our 2nd rounder and 3 rounder this year and something else from next.
and i prefer cash.....
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Look, ytown - YOU have built this guy up as the answer. IF, he comes here - and we don't win 10 games, well, how does crow taste?
U have GOT to b kidding me...
U need a break man...Cause u obviously can't handle this...
That's just ignorant...
Well, he does have a point. People are treating RGIII as the answer to our problems, which he might be, but that is a gamble and not a sure thing.
The one discerning thing I see about RGIII is that I feel a lot of his stock rise is purely hype with the media just needing a story for filler. The question is will he back up the hype or will he deflate the hype?
At what point is the price too expensive?
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I hate to but my nose in where it don't belong,but sometimes I can't resist.
As I have no dog in this hunt I have been following both sides attentively.
Those that are for RG3 have only said that he is the answer for only one of problems,poor QB play.
Those that are against RG3 have been saying that those for RG3 have been saying he is the cure all.
Grab a beer ans a bag of popcorn,cause It's just another one of those great QB debates that I so enjoy.
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At what point is the price too expensive?
When the player doesn't play well, then it's too expensive...
Did Oakland Overpay for Carson Palmer? Of course, Did they over pay for Palmer if he lead(s) them to a Super Bowl? It's a What if but that's my point...
You can't really ask what's too much.
Did the Giants give up too much for Manning when Rivers is seemingly at times a better QB? Well, they have two SB rings majorly in part because of Eli, so I doubt it...
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I look at McCoy and I see Frye and Quinn.
What is it that you see that makes you think that he could be more than that?
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I look at McCoy and I see Frye and Quinn.
What is it that you see that makes you think that he could be more than that?
Again, I'm not sure he's the answer and won't be upset if the FO takes RG3 at 4, but what I think shows promise for Colt:
He seems to see the field well. Maybe not Kosar smart, but smart. A couple of bad decisions each game, but the best QBs do the same.
Not a lot of INTs. A few last year were deflections off receivers hands. I hate turnovers.
He seemed to learn to use the pocket, if he had one, better last year.
Lastly, I can't blame him for bad play-calling. If the play is a 3 yd pass on third and 8, and he completes it, he did his job.
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Lastly, I can't blame him for bad play-calling. If the play is a 3 yd pass on third and 8, and he completes it, he did his job.
That's a crock o' BS...
There are multiple variations of every single play called in this offense...It's why even Steve Young says it takes a good 3 years to perfect it...
McCoy is the one throwing that pass...McCoy is the one making that decision...McCoy is the one bailin' out to a checkdown...NOT SHURMER...
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When the player doesn't play well, then it's too expensive...
That is it exactly. If he doesn't pan out, then it was too expensive. If he does as most think, then the price being talked about is a bargain.
Some of you people need to quit worrying so much about picks and start thinking about bringing in a top QB. We paid a nice price for Kosar....many complained....who was complaining 3 years later.
Look past tomorrow. We do this trade and we are out a 3rd round pick. All the others are extra picks.
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When you get a QB from a 1 read offense what happens when the primary isn't open? Thats right it is straight to the checkdown and in this system we have an emergency check down option on virtually every single play. Colt McCoy is not afraid to use it, even when it is 4th and 15 with the game on the line.
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When the player doesn't play well, then it's too expensive...
Did Oakland Overpay for Carson Palmer? Of course, Did they over pay for Palmer if he lead(s) them to a Super Bowl? It's a What if but that's my point...
You can't really ask what's too much.
Of course you can. You have to make the decision BEFORE you know if the guy is going to play well... I could be a great GM if I could make all of my decisions in hindsight.... You have to weigh the possibility (risk) that the player will work out and at what level and then determine how much you are willing to pay. If you are going car shopping you could buy a 5 year old low mileage Chevy or Ford and there is a good chance it's going to be a reliable car for a while... or you could try to negotiate a good deal on a new Mercedes and be pretty darn certain it's going to be a really good car for a long time.. but in reality the Chevy might last 10 years and the Mercedes might be a lemon.. some safety feature that the Chevy has that the Mercedes doesn't might save your life one day... 5-10 years from now we could debate whether we paid too much for RGIII or if we should have taken him.. but when making the decision NOW.. the cost certainly does matter.
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The Giants might have 3 or 4 super bowls with Rivers.. you never know.
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Rivers plus possibly Merriman (the other guy SD picked among the extra ones they got from the Giants)
Merriman when he was juicing with the rest of that DL? wowzers.
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He did have a couple of deflected INTs ..... however he also had far more than a few that were throw directly at defenders, that they dropped.
In the end, those things tend to even out.
As far as your final point ..... yes and no ......
If a QB consistently completes 3 yard passes on 3rd and 5, and the offense stalls on drive after drive, he's not going to have a job for very long. That really short throw on 3rd down is typically the emergency throw in case of an all out blitz ..... well, that or reading single coverage and hitting a play over the top like Kosar used to do all the time. (and yes I know, for those who will bring it up, that we didn;t have the same receivers Kosar had, but they are good enough to get open vs 1 on 1 coverage)
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Lastly, I can't blame him for bad play-calling. If the play is a 3 yd pass on third and 8, and he completes it, he did his job.
That's a crock o' BS...
There are multiple variations of every single play called in this offense...It's why even Steve Young says it takes a good 3 years to perfect it...
McCoy is the one throwing that pass...McCoy is the one making that decision...McCoy is the one bailin' out to a checkdown...NOT SHURMER...
I think you misunderstood, or I wasn't clear. I have seen a couple of pages from an NFL playbook, and I know how complicated they are. I rented a house for a couple of years with a WR for the Jets (then Raiders) and never read his book, but he studied all the time.
I am talking about the first read to a WR that has loose coverage from the DB at the LOS, not hitting a TE or RB that releases and is a late read. I still would rather see the QB make that checkdown throw for a completion than to throw a pick to the second read. As Boomer Esiason says, any time you kick after your possession, it's good. Either extra point, FG, or punt. The other options are much worse.
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There are multiple variations of every single play called in this offense...It's why even Steve Young says it takes a good 3 years to perfect it...
Colt has had one season with no offseason to boot.
So what gives? Is Steve Young not being honest?
Look I'm the first guy to admit, that at times McCoy looked like he was overwhelmed, but I'm also not so ignorant to believe that he is a finished product, or that the Coaching staff knew best how to manage his game last season either.
I love that YouTube video Mourgrym posted the other day.
It illustrated (on 3 occasions) that even Griffen with all of his speed, still could not avoid being sacked with less time then is needed to execute the offensive play.
Speed at the QB position will only come into play with good blocking up front.
That needs to be fixed FIRST or whoever is QBing the Browns next year will not be the factor that they could be 'potentially' .
Colt McCoy may not be the franchise, but he's certainly not the weakest link either. Far from it.
Whether Colt is the starter or the backup remains to be seen, but when he is called apon I'll be pulling for the young man to help us win.
Would I trade McCoy for BQ, CF or DA ect...
Not ever! Not a chance.
Whomever here wants to throw that BS comparisons around ... right back at'cha 
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I don't know of anyone that wants to draft RG3 because he's faster than Colt McCoy...
I know of a few people that want to draft him because he's a better passer than McCoy though...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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I don't know of anyone that wants to draft RG3 because he's faster than Colt McCoy...
I know of a few people that want to draft him because he's a better passer than McCoy though...
That remains to be seen.
Stronger arm yes (never was a question in my mind) ... better passer? We will just have to wait and see if that is a true or false statement. It is certainly is not a fact today and there is nothing to support that either 'yet'.
And yes the speed has much to do with his hype.
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I don't know of anyone that wants to draft RG3 because he's faster than Colt McCoy...
I know of a few people that want to draft him because he's a better passer than McCoy though...
So was Jamarcus Russell. It's always a crap shoot. The question is what do you give up for the crap shoot? Colt might be top 15 with the right tools, but I doubt RG will be top 15 with last year's tools.
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When you say tools, do mean players around him? Or his talents?
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I don't know of anyone that wants to draft RG3 because he's faster than Colt McCoy...
I know of a few people that want to draft him because he's a better passer than McCoy though...
college stats against college stats; McCoy vs RG3
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http://texas.rivals.com/cviewplayer.asp?Player=56312
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http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/stats/_/id/378497/robert-griffin-iii
fwiw,. Colt had over 13k yards passing over 4 years, RG had about 10k over 4 years. Colt threw 112 tds and 45 ints in that span against RGs 78 TD's and 17 ints (pretty impressive stat)
Colt rushed for over 1500 yards(3.5 average) and RG was around 900 (4 average).
Colt had a overall rating of 155 and RG had 154.6
Colts attempt to comp % was 70.3, RG'S was 67.1
Colt ran 20 TD's in, RG ran in 13.
I don't know for sure, but it really looks as if Colts stats trump RG's in college.. more importantly, it makes me wonder, if RG would have come out when colt did, came to the Browns in the exact situation that Colt was in, would he have faired any better.
i really don't know the answer to that, but it's something to at least consider..
it's just stats so make of it what you will,,, but there is something there that bothers me about all the hype over RG.
makes me say,, as good as RG looked last year, colt looked just as good except to those that generally don't want colt as our qb, but the stats bare me out...
now we'll get,,, but but but, they played in two different systems, Colt was protected, yada yada yada..
look at the numbers, they aren't significantly different.. like I said, fwiw
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Please God, don't tell me you are using stats to evaluate draft prospects. That is just moronic.
And I love you saying RG3 played four years when he had all of 69 attempts a year ago.
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Please God, don't tell me you are using stats to evaluate draft prospects. That is just moronic.
And I love you saying RG3 played four years when he had all of 69 attempts a year ago.
You mean Case Keenum wasn't the best QB in college last year?
No Way!
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- Colt had over 450 more PAs...that's a whole season more
- Colt in his best season (over 400 PAs) matched the INT total of RG in his "worst" with 8
- Colt's yds/PA in his SR season was 7.5, RG's was 10.7...that's another planet...and despite obviously throwing more shorter stuff than RG he had a worse comp%, which means he's less accurate than RG overall...
- Texas won with small ball because they had a D, Baylor had to wing it to win it and worked with less comfy leads than Colt had...RG had to win games and did so many times....Colt just had to manage games and was never forced to carry his team week in week out...he's still that same player and had not much upside...RG was a better College QB and has unlimited ceiling
I just explained to you why Colt wasn't wanted and RG will go at 2 (probably 1 if not for decade prospect Luck...would you draft Newton or RG at 1?)
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At any point while you were making this post did you say to yourself "I can't believe I'm making this argument..."
..Just wondering...
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RG3 was hurt 2 (IIRC) years ago, and took a medical redshirt.
As far as comparisons to McCoy, McCoy threw largely to stationary targets in college. That probably is why he struggles throwing to moving targets in the NFL.
RG3 is very accurate throwing to moving targets,
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RG3 is very accurate throwing to moving targets,
Is that why you want to trade the next 5 drafts, Joe Thomas, Mike Polk, and The Bone Lady for him?
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Is that why you want to trade the next 5 drafts, Joe Thomas, Mike Polk, and The Bone Lady for him?
And Boyce Green as well ...... don't forget him.
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Is that why you want to trade the next 5 drafts, Joe Thomas, Mike Polk, and The Bone Lady for him?
And Boyce Green as well ...... don't forget him.
Oh I didn't forget him...
It's just that I was -3 years old when he was drafted...
So forget? Oh no... Not at all...
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So I guess that I shouldn't bring up that I am willing to trade Charles White as well?
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No it's fine, I have Wikipedia bookmarked...
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Just clicking man,, look at all the freakin excuses...LOL You guys crack me up If you don't look at college stats, what the hell else do you look at is it that you didn't think I could see that there was a short year in there for RG? I looked at it stat vs stat.. nothing more.. I drew no solid conclusions,, just that there is something there that may mean the hype on RG may not be be with sound foundation.., something to look at, not something to take as the end all be all but, in typical fashion, those that want colt gone and rg here,., anything that shows there may be a weak spot in the armor can't be real.. You guys crack me up.. 
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Based on the fact that you said "4 years for Colt and 4 for RG3" yeah, that would lead someone to believe you're ignoring it, especially if you're comparing their stats over that time...
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How someone looks during their season, and their stats for the season, are two different things...
You're against trading up for, and to a point, drafting RG3 at all... I get that, but lets not make McCoy's college career out to be something it wasn't...
He won alot of games, sure, Troy Smith won alot of games too, and a Heisman, he's on his what, 3rd team now? Went in what, the 4th round?
I'm sure his college stats look great too...
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Boyce Green and Charles White! Blasts from the past, Y-Town! Love it!!
I'll add in Curtis Dickey and Herman Fontenot just to sweeten the pot.
There may be people who have more talent than you, but there's no excuse for anyone to work harder than you do.
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but, in typical fashion, those that want colt gone and rg here,., anything that shows there may be a weak spot in the armor can't be real..
And you'll go to any length to defend Colt?
Colt's college stats? you gotta be kidding me. Lets check the high school numbers while we're at it.
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is fontenot the guy who had the trainer working on his junk on live TV?
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is fontenot the guy who had the trainer working on his junk on live TV?
I can't remember, but that sounds correct.
He was one of the pioneering RB's that started the 3rd down RB trend. That's my memory of him.
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but, in typical fashion, those that want colt gone and rg here,., anything that shows there may be a weak spot in the armor can't be real..
And you'll go to any length to defend Colt?
Colt's college stats? you gotta be kidding me. Lets check the high school numbers while we're at it.
what's funny, you think I'm defending Colt... and that's not the case.. i was trying to demonstrate the similarity between the two of htem
But you, like a few others, think that if we don't throw him under a bus, we are defending him
now that right there is laughable
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