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pretty sure we'd have to convince the steelers that accepting our #22 in a trade would be the only way we could get him there.
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no. someone posted the actual CBA language earlier and it is the team's original pick if they hold more than 2 1st rounders. so, our #4.
Yeah - I don't know how people keep screwing that up...definitely is our #4.
Now, we could in theory make a trade which involved our #22 instead -- but that would be highly unlikely within our division (since the steelers would have to agree)
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I just read every word of the RFA section, and while my brain hurts, at no point does it mention if the team that signs the RFA has multiple picks in that round...
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Well, I have said that if we lose out on both Luck and RG3, then I want Claiborne. I think that we should do whatever we can to get RG3, but if it just becomes an impossible task, then Claiborne is my target. We would then have one of the most important things you can have in the NFL on defense, and that's a way to stop the opposition's passing game.
of all the picks Claiborne looks to be the safest bet.. put him back there with haden.. those two guys will cause opposing qb's to have heart attacks...LOL
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I'm pretty sure the nfp knows that the Browns have 2 picks and still wrote that article...I hope they check stuff like that before publishing it
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I just read every word of the RFA section, and while my brain hurts, at no point does it mention if the team that signs the RFA has multiple picks in that round...
i did some searches through the doc and didn't find it either. thanks for doing the pain on that section.
ok, so I take it back. perhaps we could get Mike Wallace for alot of $$$ and pick #22.
now, is that better than M.Sanu, K-Wright or M.Floyd?
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well, definitely "safer"...we know Wallace is a good WR...we don't know that about the prospects
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I just read every word of the RFA section, and while my brain hurts, at no point does it mention if the team that signs the RFA has multiple picks in that round...
i did some searches through the doc and didn't find it either. thanks for doing the pain on that section.
ok, so I take it back. perhaps we could get Mike Wallace for alot of $$$ and pick #22.
now, is that better than M.Sanu, K-Wright or M.Floyd?
random thought: if we frontload an offer to Mike Wallace so that Pitt is completely out of matching it, then can we trade the #22 pick to the Giants first (just before he officially signs) and pickup something extra while simutaneously dropping the Steelers compensation 10 picks?
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My guess would be that the moment he signs the tender our 1st is on the hook...there's no "official" signing...if he signs somebody else's contract he's theirs for that week where the Steelers have time to decide to match or not
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My guess would be that the moment he signs the tender our 1st is on the hook...there's no "official" signing...if he signs somebody else's contract he's theirs for that week where the Steelers have time to decide to match or not
yeah, so just before we have him sign that tender, we need to get the Giants on the phone and trade our #22 pick (assuming we can poison-pill the contract well enough by frontloading it to be reasonably assured that Pitt can't match) 
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I think there is little doubt we would go Claiborne if we don't get a QB....he is the clear cut best player left...by a good margin.
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no. someone posted the actual CBA language earlier and it is the team's original pick if they hold more than 2 1st rounders. so, our #4.
I wonder what would happen if we consummated a trade with the Rams for RGIII and it included all the necessary picks to satisfy them, but we kept this years #22 pick, signed, sealed, and done, then went after Wallace with that 1st round pick.??
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we would have just traded up for Mike Wallace.
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we would have just traded up for Mike Wallace.
Not sure I follow your comment.
Are you saying we got Wallace and have to give the Steelers the #22 pick or we have to give them the highest pick we own, be it ours, or any we have acquired?
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I'm pretty sure Wallace is going to be signed somewhere before the draft...
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I'm sorry, I may have misunderstood your scenario. Do you mean we sign him after we've made the second pick in the draft but before the 22nd? Because I'm pretty sure the period to offer contracts to RFAs would be over at that point.
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Morris Claiborne is a real nice player. In fact alot of your best CBs come from the SEC.
But what good is a CB without a pass rush?
the Browns did very little in putting heat on the QB last season.
They need a freak coming off the edge more than a CB.
its been forever since the Browns have had a pass rush that amounted to anything.
30 sacks doesn't cut the mustard.
The Browns have the worst RDE's in the NFL.
So then let's just take Coples at 4 and satisfy your DE desire... 
I swear...Some of u **** have no damn clue and think there will never be another player added to this team after the 4 pick..Or TWO PICK...
If we stick at 4 Claiborne is the logical pick...Ahead of a Receiver who shouldn't even be sniffed in the Top 5...And a DE who shouldn't even sniff the Top 10...
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There is a provision in the CBA agreement (as linked above) that if the restricted FA transaction occurs within 2 days of the draft then the 1st round pick comes in next year's draft.
As far as a team having 2 1st round picks, I didn't see anything that says which pick would be turned over. But it has to be in there somewhere because one team would want to get the higher pick while the other would want to give away the lower one. But a couple weeks ago Pat Kirwin said on NFL radio that it was the teams original pick -FWIW
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Also - if you think about it, if it wasn't the original pick, then every team that ever takes a restricted FA would just do the following:
1.) Shop your #7 overall pick for the #32 and a 3rd rounder
2.) Give the other team #32
3.) Obtain Free 3rd rounder
4.) Profit!
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no, step 3 is profit.
At lest you figured out what step 2 is.
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I swear...Some of u **** have no damn clue...
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To get back on the subject of free agents. When the Raiders fire sale is completed, I think Aaron Curry and Kam Wimbley will be strong considerations.
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To get back on the subject of free agents. When the Raiders fire sale is completed, I think Aaron Curry and Kam Wimbley will be strong considerations.
LOL Oh Mour,, don't bring up Kam Wimbley... you will get crucified on here...LOL I liked wimbly,, thought he was a solid guy who caused no trouble. Maybe he was drafted higher than he should have, but it's not like the guy was a dud or trouble maker.. I'd welcome him back. I actually think he's an upgrade from Jamie what's his name.LOL
Don't know about Curry much...
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it's not like the guy was a dud
Yeah, actually, he kinda was.
He would flash potential every now and again, but he just didn't get to the QB and he didn't play the run all that well. Unfortunately, those two things are the two biggest parts of his job.
Now, granted, that was with him being miscast here as a 3-4 OLB, so maybe he'd fare better as a 4-3 DE, but I wouldn't bet a whole lot on that.
He is definitely NOT worth big time money. We could bring him back just fine, but it'd be for a very small contract.
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LOL Oh Mour,, don't bring up Kam Wimbley... you will get crucified on here...LOL I liked wimbly,, thought he was a solid guy who caused no trouble. Maybe he was drafted higher than he should have, but it's not like the guy was a dud or trouble maker.. I'd welcome him back. I actually think he's an upgrade from Jamie what's his name.LOL
Don't know about Curry much...
Crucified? No way, in the least bit it'll allow me to bring back my Kamerion Wimbley Jersey!
We do need a DE though, it all depends on the price of course. Wimbley at 8 million a year is just not that worth it. 4 million a year, sure
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Was Wimbley a dud....that would depend on the definition. In the end, he was part of the problem, not part of the answer.
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To get back on the subject of free agents. When the Raiders fire sale is completed, I think Aaron Curry and Kam Wimbley will be strong considerations.
Curry looked so good coming out of college that I really wanted him at #4 (a lot of people here did -- oops).
I do think he could fit in well here pretty well -- our LB corps really lacks speed, and Curry was a legit 4.5 out of college - and is still young enough he shouldn't have lost much of that. But he's shown pretty crappy instincts this far - and really needs a good teacher to get the talent back out of him.
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Out of the key positions on offense I want via FA....at WR i'd like us to sign Manningham and Garcon, at RB either Tolbert or Bush, and Demetrius Bell for the RT position
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it's not like the guy was a dud
Yeah, actually, he kinda was.
He would flash potential every now and again, but he just didn't get to the QB and he didn't play the run all that well. Unfortunately, those two things are the two biggest parts of his job.
Now, granted, that was with him being miscast here as a 3-4 OLB, so maybe he'd fare better as a 4-3 DE, but I wouldn't bet a whole lot on that.
He is definitely NOT worth big time money. We could bring him back just fine, but it'd be for a very small contract.
I think 'Dud' is a relative term to Cleveland specifically. We've had HUGE duds in CB, GW, Couch, Quinn, Faine (when we was here), etc. Relative to the other 10 pics we've had since coming back, Kam was a middle-value pick for where he was drafted and how he performed.
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Well to be honest purp,, I was kinda going with the misused angle on him
I wonder what a guy like Jauron could do with his physical skills.. Wimbley was a good guy.. strong, tough, but seemed to lack a skill set that they drafted him to have.
So, yeah, at the right price as a DE.. As we sit today, he's a upgrade to Mitchell I think..
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Oh, no doubt that he wasn't a bust on the level of most of our first half dozen or so 1st rounders, but for where he was drafted, his expectations and the bar he sent for himself as a rookie - the rest of his career was pretty disappointing here. I guess that it's more appropriate to say that he was a disappointment than a bust.
He is absolutely a high character guy, and as a person he seems like he's just outstanding all around.... but on the field there was just something lacking.
Was it coaching? Was it the fact that he seemed to have only the one rush move and couldn't otherwise beat seemingly any OT?
If he can play the run better as a DE than he did as an OLB, I'd welcome him back in a heartbeat.
Just quickly looking at what he did in Oakland, there is some anecdotal evidence that he was just miscast here. His tackle numbers didn't change, but his first year there his Sack numbers went back up to 9, then fell to 7 last year.... both are still better than any year he had here, sans his rookie campaign.
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Speaking of Finnegan, we've been linked to Claiborne at 4. Character issues aside, would you guys be open to signing Finnegan. Haden/Finnegan would be a nice combo
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Curry looked so good coming out of college that I really wanted him at #4 (a lot of people here did -- oops).
He went #4.. we had the #5 pick and we traded it to the Jets.. not sure if that was a direct result of Curry being gone or not.
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i thought it was the direct result of the availability of Bret Ratliff.
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Speaking of Finnegan, we've been linked to Claiborne at 4. Character issues aside, would you guys be open to signing Finnegan. Haden/Finnegan would be a nice combo
I'd be very happy signing Finnegan to pair with Haden. If we don't, drafting Minnefield in the second or third would be very appealing.
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He went #4.. we had the #5 pick and we traded it to the Jets.. not sure if that was a direct result of Curry being gone or not.
Sorry - my bad, I meant #5 not #4 -- i was begging for "Curry or tradedown" in that draft -- just goes to show what we all know (including NFL GMs)
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