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of course he has to say that. if he does get that though then it will be somewhere else.
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I really think we should look at Carl Nicks if he hits FA. Guy is a stud and it would let Pinkston grow a little more if Steiny is able to come back 100%.
That would be a ridiculous amount of money tied up in guards. We won't possibly go after Nicks.
Forgot to post the rest of my thought.
If we do go after another guard in free agency, Grubbs would be my choice. Yeah, he'll get a nice deal, but it will be less than Nicks money. Unfortunately, once Nicks is gone, people are going to realize just how solid Grubbs really is and his price will go up. Timing, as they say, is everything.
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Anyone want Addai or Clark..? Wow the Colts are tearing it down.
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Anyone want Addai or Clark..? Wow the Colts are tearing it down.
Man,, starting over can't be fun.. hey,, what am I saying,, we've been starting over since 1999 LOL
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3200 yards and 24 TDs in 3 seasons? That's a pony I'd love to have.
I disagree. Wallace is legit and I think is actually just hitting his prime.
If we have the opportunity to give up our #22 for him, I do it in half a second. Wallace is an elite WR... Better to have a guy with one good season and two great ones under his belt than someone who you don;t know will make it in the NFL.
I agree. Give me Mike Wallace for our 22nd in a heartbeat.
Weaken the Steelers, strengthen the Browns, don't need to wait for a rookie WR to learn the ways of the NFL and Mike Wallace is an established Pro Bowl vet entering his prime. Who cares about the $$$...we're way under the cap.
Just so you know, I didn't say we should give up the #4 (which is the pick we'd have to give up) for Mike Wallace.... and to give it to division rival and the most hated team as well. Seriously?! You'd give up the #4 pick to the Steelers for Mike Wallace?  What team do you cheer for?
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Nobody said they'd give up the #4 pick.
The two people you quoted clearly said the 22nd pick.
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Wasn't it settled a while ago that, by the rules, the only pick we'd be allowed to give up is the #4? That we couldn't give up the #22, even if we wanted to . . . ?
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Wasn't it settled a while ago that, by the rules, the only pick we'd be allowed to give up is the #4? That we couldn't give up the #22, even if we wanted to . . . ?
Nope, we can use it, trade it, pass on it, whatever we want.
We can't trade compensatory picks, and in expansion we couldn't trade the "extra" picks we received.
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Nobody said they'd give up the #4 pick.
The two people you quoted clearly said the 22nd pick.
But that's now how the RFA tender works. The Browns would have to give up the #4 overall to acquire Mike Wallace.
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When considering teams that could potentially poach Wallace from the Steelers, one division rival comes to mind: Cincinnati. If the Bengals wanted to swing the balance of power in the AFC North in their favor -- and simultaneously deliver a huge blow to Pittsburgh -- they could easily make a high-cap-number deal with Wallace, gaining another Pro Bowl receiver to go along with A.J. Green. The cost for Wallace is a team's original first-rounder. Since the Bengals have the Raiders' No. 17 pick, they can trade their lower first rounder (21st overall), still have a valuable first-round pick and end up with an incredible talent like Wallace. The Bengals would have a hard time acquiring a receiver in this year's draft who is ready to dominate next season like Wallace. With Wallace and Green, Cincy could be a dangerously explosive offense. All it takes is the franchise letting go of some cash and eating up some cap room. But before Bengals fans get too excited, this is typically not how the Cincinnati organization runs.
So, anyone saying that they'd give up the #22 for Wallace just don't know what the hell they're talking about.
Again, I ask you if you think that Mike Wallace is worth giving the overall #4 pick to the Steelers?
I didn't think so either.
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If Blackmon is worth #4, then Wallace is. We shouldn't invest in WRs until we have a QB though ..... and that looks like ..... 1st Tuesday after never. 
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Wasn't it settled a while ago that, by the rules, the only pick we'd be allowed to give up is the #4? That we couldn't give up the #22, even if we wanted to . . . ?
Nope, we can use it, trade it, pass on it, whatever we want.
We can't trade compensatory picks, and in expansion we couldn't trade the "extra" picks we received.
You're simply wrong in your thinking. To acquire Mike Wallace, the Browns would surrender the #4 overall pick to the Steelers!
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If Blackmon is worth #4, then Wallace is.
We shouldn't invest in WRs until we have a QB though ..... and that looks like ..... 1st Tuesday after never.
You'd give the Steelers the overall #4 pick for Wallace?
The debate isn't about whether Blackmon is worth the #4 overall selection. I happen to think that he isn't, but I could rationalize it and justify it. I could NEVER in a millenia of millenia justify giving the #4 overall pick to a division rival and the most hated team in the league.
Just give it up man. Your erection for RG3 is and always has been irrational. Go cheer for some other team. Steelers seem right up your alley!
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Wouldn't we be able to negotiate a trade on the side for the rights to Mike Wallace?
(Not saying we should, just asking if that is a possibility within the rules.)
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Wouldn't we be able to negotiate a trade on the side for the rights to Mike Wallace?
(Not saying we should, just asking if that is a possibility within the rules.)
We could, in theory, trade with the Steelers and offer them the #22 overall. I seriously doubt they'd approve. Why would they do that if they could acquire the #4 overall selection or keep their prized WR?
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It was more of a hypothetical question then a real life situation.
But we probably wouldn't sign him if we had to give up the #4 pick and the Steelers would probably rather have #22 than #31 or whatever some other team could offer (assuming that team picked after 22).
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Wasn't it settled a while ago that, by the rules, the only pick we'd be allowed to give up is the #4? That we couldn't give up the #22, even if we wanted to . . . ?
Nope, we can use it, trade it, pass on it, whatever we want.
We can't trade compensatory picks, and in expansion we couldn't trade the "extra" picks we received.
You're simply wrong in your thinking. To acquire Mike Wallace, the Browns would surrender the #4 overall pick to the Steelers!
Thank God you folks ain't running the operations in Berea.
Sorry, I misread that.
Yeah, to sign a RFA it would have to be our 1st pick .... unless we had already traded that pick, then we could trade for a 1st round pick and turn that one over to the RFA's team instead.
I wouldn't sign Wallace, even for 22. We don't have a QB to take advantage of what we he does best. I also wouldn't draft Blackmon. We're going to need a great defense to get to 6 wins, so we better draft Claiborne at this point.
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If Blackmon is worth #4, then Wallace is.
We shouldn't invest in WRs until we have a QB though ..... and that looks like ..... 1st Tuesday after never.
You'd give the Steelers the overall #4 pick for Wallace?
The debate isn't about whether Blackmon is worth the #4 overall selection. I happen to think that he isn't, but I could rationalize it and justify it. I could NEVER in a millenia of millenia justify giving the #4 overall pick to a division rival and the most hated team in the league.
Just give it up man. Your erection for RG3 is and always has been irrational. Go cheer for some other team. Steelers seem right up your alley!
I am saying that, as a player, if Blackmon is worth the #4 pick, then so is Wallace. I wouldn't give up the #4 for either of them.
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Here comes about four months of negativity out of you. Awesome.
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Here comes about four months of negativity out of you. Awesome.
I'm not a Blackman fan either. If I draft a top 4 WR I want a Andre Johnson, Calvin Johnson, or Randy Moss. I'd rather have Stephen Hill out of GTech.
At this point its Caliborne or Richardson with the value of RBs being nothing I go with Caliborne.
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Or trade down to six with the Rams and maybe pick up another second rounder. That's not a bad option.
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Or trade down to six with the Rams and maybe pick up another second rounder. That's not a bad option.
I wouldn't trade with the Rams if they gave me all the picks they just got. If they wanted to pick a player at 4 should have traded down with the Browns. They moved to 6 deal with the consequences.
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That is just immature and overly emotional. You do whatever you can to improve your team.
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That is just immature and overly emotional. You do whatever you can to improve your team.
You basically offered the same package (alleged) and they turned you down then after they trade away the player you wanted now they want to trade back and get the player they want, you wouldn't be slightly upset?
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Here comes about four months of negativity out of you. Awesome.
Sorry, but I'm feeling rather negative right now. I'm not going to lie about it.
I'll probably be feeling negative if we end this year with 4 or 5 years, and still don't have any hope at QB. How will you feel if that happens?
How about if we win 4 games again, are stuck at 4 or 5 again, and can't get a QB then either? What if there are no QBs in next year's draft? Stranger things have happened.
I have been a Browns fan since I was about 10 years old. That's almost 40 years. I have seen 12 winning seasons in that time. I have seen one 4 year stretch with back to back winning seasons. That sucks. Sorry, I'm not going to lie about it.
I have seen an incredible amount of lousy, stinking football, I have had my team stolen away, and then go win a Super Bowl for the city that stole them away. I have seen the team I loathe and detest win a pair of Super Bowls in the past 10 years, while playing in 1 more. I have seen us lose out on almost every single impact free agent ..... I have seen us blow draft pick after draft pick, and waste time on horrible QB after horrible QB .... bringing in absolutely horrible guys to replace absolutely horrible guys .......
Yeah, I'm kinda sick of it. I'm not going to lie about it. This is just one more disappointment in a very, very, very long line of Cleveland Browns disappointments. You would think that they wouldn't hurt by now, that the scars tissue would be built up to a point where it would be impossible for this team to cause me pain anymore ....... but it's not. I love this team, and all they do is cause me, and the rest of their fans year after year of pain and disappointment. It's almost like an abusive relationship, and there's just no way out, and I don't even want one, because I love this team. I am almost ashamed to type that ... but it's true.
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Or trade down to six with the Rams and maybe pick up another second rounder. That's not a bad option.
Why would we trade down for just a 2nd? I would want at least a 1st. If the Rams get 3 first round picks, a 2nd, and others for moving down 4 spots, then I want at least a 1st round to move down 2.
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How will you feel if that happens?
I will feel sad momentarily. But then I will be fine because I know there are more important things than football.
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Why would we trade down for just a 2nd?
You already know the answer to that question. There is (allegedly) a franchise quarterback waiting to be picked at pick two. There were multiple teams bidding to draft in that slot. There is only one number two pick.
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you wouldn't be slightly upset?
Being upset shouldn't preclude improving the football team.
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Or trade down to six with the Rams and maybe pick up another second rounder. That's not a bad option.
Why would we trade down for just a 2nd? I would want at least a 1st. If the Rams get 3 first round picks, a 2nd, and others for moving down 4 spots, then I want at least a 1st round to move down 2.
I agree with you and I didn't even want RG3. Here's my take on it. If the established value for trading down 4 spots was set at 2 additional first rounders, at least one additional second rounder and additional picks or compensation. That was the price that the Rams established. So, for the Browns to drop half of that, the Browns should require at least one #1 (I'd take the one they got for 2014 from Washington), the 2nd rounder they got this year and their own 2nd rounder this year. Otherwise, no deal.
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Who knows, maybe someone mid-late in the first wants T Richardson... and trades up to 6 and gives STL ANOTHER first round pick next year...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
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The Rams wouldn't be trading up to select their future franchise quarterback. And there wouldn't be a bidding war for the pick. If we want Blackmon we shouldn't trade the pick. If we don't want Blackmon trade down and get what we can.
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Sorry, but I'm feeling rather negative right now.
I know what you mean. Seems like we have been stuck in the mud for a long time. I might not be as set on RGIII as you are, but we better get this right. If whatever we do turns out to be the wrong move, it could cripple this team for a good while.
If we take Griffin and he busts, that is easy to see how that hurt the team. If we stick with Colt and he plays OK, but Griffin turns in to the next big thing, we'll get to look at that for the next 15 years.
Here is how I think it turns out. We pass on Griffin, trade down out of #4 with the team that lands Manning as that team will be looking to land a top receiver for their new QB. My guess is Miami.
At that spot we can take Tannehill. You may want a 1st rounder but my logic says it will only be a 2nd rounder this year.
Tannehill makes sense for a couple of reasons. It gives Colt one more shot in a more stable environment, and gives the team a fall back if Colt plays like I suspect and just doesn't cut it. I will say I could be wrong about Colt so giving him a bit more time does make sense.
If and when Tannehill develops, he takes over and we have some trade bait with Colt....or with Tannehill for that matter.
I am with you. I say no guts, no glory and would go for Griffin. I just don't see him as a "bust". He may not ever be the greatest, but at minimum he will be pretty good. Between his arm and his legs, it's almost impossible for him to be less. He would also bring excitement to the offense, something we have lacked for a long time.
No matter what we do, we need to win 8-9 games next year. If we limp in and win 5-6, I don't want to hear the talking heads say we made progress. It's still failing.
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See I think that Tannehill will be a bust.
If we go QB in this draft, then I think it should be Wededen. I think that Weedwn could step in almost immediately. Tannehill will probably take at least 2 years to teach the position. We could add 2 pieces in the first round, and then add the QB in the 2nd with Weeden. That would make more sense than taking a guy in the 1st who has a lot of issues.
Of course, I like Weeden as the next best guy ..... so that'll never happen either because I live in sports hell.
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Tannehill could bust, no doubt.....but he gives the current brain trust some extra time.
We are going to do something at QB. If we don't, stick with Colt and then win 5 games, Lerner is going to have to do something.
I just can't imaging Homie and Heck deciding to go all in with Colt and Wallace...that is riskier than going all in for Griffin.
They are going to hedge their bet in some manner.
Also, if we do take Griffin, I think we would have to trade Colt. I think it creates a negative dynamic if you have some sort of split on who should be playing. You need everybody behind the starter....well, maybe everybody excepts the back-ups family. I can understand them wanting to see son,brother,husband, or dad playing.
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By the way.....I made the last few posts without knowing a deal between the Skins and Rams is in place. I just caught that in the draft thread.
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If Blackmon is worth #4, then Wallace is.
We shouldn't invest in WRs until we have a QB though ..... and that looks like ..... 1st Tuesday after never.
Yes of course,,, I mean, maybe getting some good receivers might make McCoy look good and we all know you don't want that 
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Quit talking like a goof....he doesn't want that, and you know it.
Let's at least keep things above the belt.
Whether one wanted Colt or not, the Browns just told him he is chopped liver by getting as deep in to this trade talk as they have.
This isn't a good day to be a Browns fan. We have seen the FO really weaken our position on many fronts.
Here is a fact. If we didn't want Griffin, we would have said so from the beginning, just as Heck as said we probably aren't looking at Flynn. So, that can't leave Colt feeling all that confident about his standing with the teams brass.
I am glad we didn't give up 3 1st rounders for the guy, but I am not glad our offer is somehow out there.
We just got the corn cob.
Nobody should feel good about that.
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I think I'm going to wait to hear something official on what we offered before I jump off that bridge.
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A wise choice - if that word ever comes out.
What we're hearing may simply be what STL is saying because that's what they told Snyder so that they could bilk them for more... no idea.
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I am glad we didn't give up 3 1st rounders for the guy, but I am not glad our offer is somehow out there.
We just got the corn cob.
Nobody should feel good about that.
peen...nothing remains quiet these days and there is no way to gauge how interested the Browns might have been.
With Miami waiting to see what happens with Peyton Manning, the Rams didn't have the bidding war they were hoping for.
The Browns just did a huge favor for the Rams, by appearing to show interest in a deal...for all we know, the Browns might have been helping the Rams out by showing interest, which the Redskins viewed as "serious interest", thus upping their bid to the Rams.
I could understand the Redskins leaking info of the deal...especially if they thought the Browns might have forced them to pay more than the Redskins had hoped to spend (in draft picks).
Myself, I'm glad RGIII is going to the Redskins because no way did I want the Browns to pay more than one first round pick for a QB.
Now the Browns can continue to focus on building the team via the draft...getting the most for their money.
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