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I wouldn't bet on a successful appeal. Here's the full text of the release.

The NFL’s official announcement regarding bounty discipline
Posted by Mike Florio on March 21, 2012, 1:10 PM EDT

[Editor's note: The NFL has issued a formal announcement of the punishment meted out for the three-year bounty system maintained by the Saints, from 2009 through 2011. The full statement appears below, unedited.]

Commissioner Roger Goodell notified the New Orleans Saints today of the discipline that will be imposed on team management for violations of the NFL’s long-standing “bounty” rule that endangered player safety over a three-year period.

Discipline for individual players involved in the Saints’ prohibited program continues to be under review with the NFL Players Association and will be addressed by Commissioner Goodell at a later date. The program included “bounty” payments for “knock-outs” and “cart-offs,” plays on which an opposing player was forced to leave the game. At times, the bounties even targeted specific players by name.

The NFL’s extensive investigation established the existence of an active bounty program on the Saints during the 2009, 2010, and 2011 seasons in violation of league rules, a deliberate effort to conceal the program’s existence from league investigators, and a clear determination to maintain the program despite express direction from Saints ownership that it stop as well as ongoing inquiries from the league office.

“We are all accountable and responsible for player health and safety and the integrity of the game,” Commissioner Goodell said. “We will not tolerate conduct or a culture that undermines those priorities. No one is above the game or the rules that govern it. Respect for the game and the people who participate in it will not be compromised.”

“A combination of elements made this matter particularly unusual and egregious,” Commissioner Goodell continued. “When there is targeting of players for injury and cash rewards over a three-year period, the involvement of the coaching staff, and three years of denials and willful disrespect of the rules, a strong and lasting message must be sent that such conduct is totally unacceptable and has no place in the game.”

Following the March 2 announcement of the NFL’s initial findings, the league office conducted further investigation, including Commissioner Goodell meeting with many of the key individuals involved, sometimes on multiple occasions. The commissioner also discussed the matter with the leadership of the NFL Players Association and individual players.

Based on the record, Commissioner Goodell has imposed the following discipline on Saints management:

The New Orleans Saints are fined $500,000. In addition, because the violation involves a competitive rule, the Saints will forfeit their selections in the second round of the 2012 and 2013 NFL drafts.

Saints Head Coach Sean Payton is suspended without pay for the 2012 NFL season, effective April 1.

Saints General Manager Mickey Loomis is suspended without pay for the first eight regular-season games of the 2012 season.

Former Saints (and current St. Louis Rams) defensive coordinator Gregg Williams is suspended indefinitely from the NFL, effective immediately. Commissioner Goodell will review Coach Williams’ status at the conclusion of the 2012 season and consider whether to reinstate him, and, if so, on what terms. Commissioner Goodell said he will give close attention to the extent to which Coach Williams cooperates with the NFL in any further proceedings.

Saints assistant Head Coach Joe Vitt is suspended without pay for the first six regular-season games of the 2012 season.

The Saints and the individuals disciplined today are expected to participate in efforts led by the league office to develop programs that will instruct players and coaches at all levels of the game on the need for respect for the game and those who participate in it, on principles of fair play, safety and sportsmanship, and to ensure that bounties will not be part of football at any level.

Commissioner Goodell stated that the actions of the individuals disciplined today violated league rules and constituted conduct detrimental to the league and players. He said the existence of a pay-for-performance/bounty program undermined the integrity of the game. The violations were compounded by the failure of Coach Payton to supervise the players and coaches and his affirmative decision starting in 2010 (a) not to inquire into the facts concerning the pay-for-performance/bounty program even though he was aware of the league’s inquiries both in 2010 and 2012; (b) to falsely deny that the program existed; (c) to encourage the false denials by instructing assistants to “make sure our ducks are in a row;” and (d) to ignore instructions from the league office and club ownership to ensure that no such program existed.

“Beyond the clear and continuing violations of league rules, and lying to investigators, the bounty program is squarely contrary to the league’s most important initiatives – enhancing player health and safety and protecting the integrity of the game,” Commissioner Goodell said. “Let me be clear. There is no place in the NFL for deliberately seeking to injure another player, let alone offering a reward for doing so. Any form of bounty is incompatible with our commitment to create a culture of sportsmanship, fairness, and safety. Programs of this kind have no place in our game and we are determined that bounties will no longer be a part of the NFL.”

A 2007 amendment to the NFL Constitution and By-Laws obligated coaches and supervisory employees “to communicate openly and candidly with the principal owner and/or his designated representative; to ensure that club ownership is informed on a complete and timely basis of all matters affecting the club’s operations; and to avoid actions that undermine or damage the club’s reputation or operating success.” The obligation to supervise the coaching staff and players is also expressly set forth in the employment agreement signed by Coach Payton.

Commissioner Goodell said he will separately address potential sanctions for players and others with documented involvement in the bounty program.

“While I will not address player conduct at this time, I am profoundly troubled by the fact that players – including leaders among the defensive players – embraced this program so enthusiastically and participated with what appears to have been a deliberate lack of concern for the well-being of their fellow players,” Commissioner Goodell said. “While all club personnel are expected to play to win, they must not let the quest for victory so cloud their judgment that they willingly and willfully target their opponents and engage in unsafe and prohibited conduct intended to injure players.”

While NFL staff has interviewed people in connection with public allegations of bounty programs at other clubs, no evidence was established showing that the programs at other clubs involved targeting opposing players or rewarding players for injuring an opponent. Commissioner Goodell emphasized that if additional information is brought to his attention that discloses bounties offered for injuring specific opposing players, he will revisit the matter to consider additional discipline.

The findings in the league’s investigation, corroborated by multiple independent sources, conclusively established the following:

1. The Saints defensive team operated a pay-for-performance/bounty program, primarily funded by players, during the 2009, 2010, and 2011 seasons. Under that program, players regularly made cash “donations” to a pool, and were “fined” for mental errors, loafing, penalties, and the like. At least one assistant coach (defensive coordinator Gregg Williams) also occasionally contributed to the pool. There is no evidence that any club money was contributed to the program.

2. Payments were made for plays such as interceptions or fumble recoveries. All such payments are against league rules. Payments also were made for plays on which opposing players were injured. In addition, specific players were sometimes targeted. The investigation showed bounties being placed on four quarterbacks of opposing teams – Brett Favre, Cam Newton, Aaron Rodgers, and Kurt Warner. Multiple sources have confirmed that several players pledged funds toward bounties on specific opposing players, with defensive captain Jonathan Vilma offering $10,000 to any player who knocked Brett Favre out of the NFC Championship Game in 2010.

3. Coach Williams acknowledged that he designed and implemented the program with the assistance of certain defensive players. He said that he did so after being told by Saints Head Coach Sean Payton that his assignment was to make the defense “nasty.” Coach Williams described his role as overseeing record keeping, defining payout amounts, deciding on who received payouts, and distributing envelopes with cash to players who “earned” rewards.

4. In each of the 2009-2011 seasons, the Saints were one of the top five teams in the league in roughing the passer penalties. In 2009 and 2011, the Saints were also in the top five teams in unnecessary roughness penalties; in 2010, the Saints ranked sixth in the category. In the January 16, 2010 divisional playoff game against the Arizona Cardinals, Saints defensive players were assessed $15,000 in fines for fouls committed against opposing players. The following week, in the NFC Championship Game against the Minnesota Vikings, Saints defensive players were assessed $30,000 in fines for four separate illegal hits, several of which were directed against quarterback Brett Favre.

5. Coach Williams now acknowledges that when he was first questioned about this matter in early 2010 he intentionally misled NFL investigators and made no effort to stop the program after he became aware of the league’s investigation.

6. Coach Williams further confirmed that the program continued during the 2010 and 2011 seasons, and that he occasionally contributed funds to the pool in each of those seasons.

7. Assistant Head Coach/Defense Joe Vitt acknowledged that he was aware of the program in 2009-2011. He admitted that, when interviewed in 2010, he “fabricated the truth” to NFL investigators and denied that any pay-for-performance or bounty program existed at the Saints.

8. Coach Vitt said one of his primary roles was to monitor the activity of Coach Williams. This was based on the direction of Coach Payton, who apparently had less than full confidence in Coach Williams. Despite Coach Vitt’s knowledge of the bounty program, his understanding of the terms “knock-out” and “cart-off,” his witnessing Coach Williams handing out envelopes that he believed to contain cash, and his acknowledgement that the defensive meeting preceding the 2010 NFC Championship Game may have “got out of hand” with respect to Brett Favre, Coach Vitt claimed he never advised either Coach Payton or General Manager Mickey Loomis of the “pay-for-performance/bounty” program.

9. A summary prepared following a Saints preseason game included the statement, “1 Cart-off – Crank up the John Deer (sic) Tractor” in reference to a hit on an opposing player. Similar statements are reflected in prepared documents or slides in connection with other games in multiple seasons. A review of the game films confirms that opposing players were injured on the plays identified in the documents.

10. When interviewed in 2012, Sean Payton claimed to be entirely unaware of the program, a claim contradicted by others. Further, prior to the Saints’ opening game in 2011, Coach Payton received an email from a close associate that stated in part, “PS Greg Williams put me down for $5000 on Rogers (sic).” When shown the email during the course of the investigation, Coach Payton stated that it referred to a “bounty” on Green Bay quarterback Aaron Rodgers.

11. In early 2010, Mr. Loomis advised Coach Payton that the league office was investigating allegations concerning a bounty program. Coach Payton said that he met with his top two defensive assistants, Coach Williams and Coach Vitt, in advance of the interview with league investigators and told them, “Let’s make sure our ducks are in a row.” Remarkably, Coach Payton claimed that he never inquired of Coach Williams and Coach Vitt as to what happened in the interviews, never asked them if a “pay-for-performance” or bounty program was in fact in place, and never gave any instructions to discontinue such a program.

12. In January 2012, prior to the Saints’ first playoff game of the 2011 season, Coach Payton was advised by Mr. Loomis that the league office had reopened the investigation. Coach Payton made a cursory inquiry but took no action to ensure that any bounty program was discontinued.

13. General Manager Mickey Loomis was not present at meetings of the Saints defense at which bounties were discussed and was not aware of bounties being placed on specific players. Mr. Loomis became aware of the allegations regarding a bounty program no later than February 2010 when he was notified of the investigation into the allegations during a meeting with NFL Executive Vice President-Football Operations Ray Anderson. He was directed to ensure that any such program ceased immediately. By his own admission, Mr. Loomis did not do enough to determine if a pay-for-performance/bounty program existed or to end any such program that did exist.

14. Saints owner Tom Benson notified Mr. Loomis in January 2012 prior to the team’s participation in the playoffs that the league’s investigation had been reopened. Mr. Benson reiterated his position that a bounty program was unacceptable and instructed Mr. Loomis to ensure that if a bounty program existed at the Saints it would stop immediately. By his own admission, Mr. Loomis responded to this direction by making only cursory inquiries of Coaches Payton and Williams. He never issued instructions to end the bounty program to either the coaching staff or the players.

15. There is no evidence that Saints ownership had any knowledge of the pay-for-performance or bounty program. There is no evidence that any club funds were used for the program. Ownership made clear that it disapproved of the program, gave prompt and clear direction that it stop, and gave full and immediate cooperation to league investigators.

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Goodell is over the top on this one !


No He is not! Tressel got 7 games for something far less.




I agree.. The NFL can't allow a team to condone, much less initiate "Bounties" to go out and hurt a player on purpose. What if they killed a guy and they found out later they were getting paid to intentionally hurt him ? The league opens itself up to lawsuits from everywhere and the owners know it.

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Goodell fined Tressell 7 games before he could start his job in the NFL with Colts last season.




Really? lol, that's absurd. THAT is a case of Goodell being out of control. How the heck do you suspend a coach in the NFL for something he did in the NCAA??


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I don't EVER want to hear about how Roger only slams the players with fines or suspensions. He WHACKED the Saints, S.Payton and Williams. BOOM!


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Goodell fined Tressell 7 games before he could start his job in the NFL with Colts last season.




Really? lol, that's absurd. THAT is a case of Goodell being out of control. How the heck do you suspend a coach in the NFL for something he did in the NCAA??




The same way he banned Terrel Pryor from the start of the season after he bailed on OSU because he was going to be suspended. Jumping to the NFL to avoid a suspension, coach or player, won't be tolerated. And he has hit them both (hit Tressel harder).


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The New Orleans Saints are fined $500,000. In addition, because the violation involves a competitive rule, the Saints will forfeit their selections in the second round of the 2012 and 2013 NFL drafts.




Our 3rd through 7th round selections were just bumped up one notch. Good for us!

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Saints Head Coach Sean Payton is suspended without pay for the 2012 NFL season, effective April 1.




Ouch, that's a $7 million dollar fine. Dang!

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Commissioner Goodell said he will separately address potential sanctions for players and others with documented involvement in the bounty program.




Soon to be heard on the Browns speakers, "Scott Fujita, the Commish is on line 1. He would like to talk to you." He'll be gone for a while (2-4 games?). I guess the plus side of that one is that he'll be healthy for the 2nd half of the season.


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from reports Vilma was the main instigator, I wouldn't be surprised to see him gone a full year. Fujita definitely a few games, but unless they have something more on him, probably not more than 4-6.

NFLPA has a bigger shield than coaches do though, so it's tough to know.

I figure we're cutting Fujita anyway though, so let's just find a OLB and move on.


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Now who coaches the Saints for the year?

You have Pete Carmichael Jr who was discussed as a potential HC but many felt he was passed over because he's a soft-spoken guy. He took more control after Payton's injury last season and the Saints are an offensive minded team.

Then you have Steve Spagnuloa who has HC experience and seemed to have the Rams turning the corner until their collapse this past season. He has the most experience and a clean slate but hes new and a defensive coach.

My money's on PC Jr


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The other option ..... which would be a major shocker ..... is this: Would the Saints fire Payton and bring in a new Head Coach altogether?

It's unlikely to be sure ....... but it could happen, especially if the team feels that its window to win another Super Bowl with Brees is closing.


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i'm pretty sure that Brees can handle the offense at this point.
Spags was brought in to handle the defense.

so, Carmichael handles a few more tasks as HC and that's about as least disruptive as anything else.

the bigger question is who will be the DC in StL? because I fully expect G.Williams to step down (or be fired) and Fisher to find a replacement.


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Perhaps. We'll see what happens. Maybe they'll offer us 3 first round picks for Shurmur.

I don't know if I'd do that ...... but I'd have to at least think about it ..............






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i applaud Goodell's decision. No room for "bounties" in what is supposed to be a GAME.

game - a competitive activity involving skill, chance, or endurance on the part of two or more persons who play according to a set of rules, usually for their own amusement or for that of spectators.

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I applaud Joe " Turkey " Jones ! ...

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Oh I am going to enjoy rubbing this in on the Saints fans at our Mississippi yard.


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Wow. What a statement by Goodell. While harsh, I agree with the severity of the punishment. This type of activity cannot continue in an already violent sport. I think the penalties and fines over the years that are discussed were the tipping point. Going after a player intentionally after the whistle is appalling.




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I think if Gregg Williams wants to be reinstated he should have to take hit from every player who got carted off or decommissioned.

He gets pads... they get a good 20 yard running start on him.

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I wonder if the Redskins will also face punishment from the league? (and if individual players will be suspended as well)


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NFLPA has a bigger shield than coaches do though, so it's tough to know.






I don't think so in this case as defending those involved is ignoring the members who were targeted. I don't see how the NFLPA can defend these guys to any degree and maintain credibility with the majority of it's members.


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I don't think so in this case as defending those involved is ignoring the members who were targeted. I don't see how the NFLPA can defend these guys to any degree and maintain credibility with the majority of it's members.




I agree. They should instead be offing the offenders up.


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On PTI the guys were saying that Payton got the major hammer because he was steering the ship AND here is the big one, after the NFL warned all the teams of this behavior and then investigated the Saints, Payton lied about anything going on (and I'm sure the Saints for a written additional warning too).

So it's not really the fact they were doing this....it was doing it after warnings and investigation + lies. Do that to Goodell AND it being a critical subject intentionally trying to injur players.........equals an NCAA-like Death Penalty!

While this will cripple the Saints....they did just win a Super Bowl. So no pity for them.


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They deserve it. I'd say the same thing if it was the Browns.
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If and when Fujita gets a sanction, I'd cut him within 2 hours.


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Stunned hell, I'm dumbfounded, flabbergasted and astonished.

I guess they figured that Payton did know about the system after all.

I would bet that Payton appeals, and his is reduced to half a season or so.




Appeal to whom? They have the goods on him lying about knowing that the bounty was being used. When confronted with it, he finally fessed up. Payton knew the hammer was going to fall on him. He probably knew how hard it was going to be as well.

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I don't think the coaches are going to appeal anything....they won't get anywhere, and shouldn't.


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I don't EVER want to hear about how Roger only slams the players with fines or suspensions. He WHACKED the Saints, S.Payton and Williams. BOOM!




Minor correction: The Williams whacking adversely effects the Rams. He was to be Fisher's DC.

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Soon to be heard on the Browns speakers, "Scott Fujita, the Commish is on line 1. He would like to talk to you." He'll be gone for a while (2-4 games?). I guess the plus side of that one is that he'll be healthy for the 2nd half of the season.




I think it'll be more than 2-4 games for players involved. It will be cause for some teams to terminate the contracts of these players. I suspect that the owners will ask the NFLPA to address this themselves among their own ranks and that they will take appropriate actions on behalf of their teams.

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And it's early enough for Jeffery to politely tell Williams they have to go in another direction while he is on indefinite suspension.

The league could easily do the Rams a favor and keep the guy on unpaid suspension long enough to cover the duration of the guys contract.

If I was the Commish, I'd tell him he is no longer allowed to coach in the NFL.


Goodell has that authority. He has unilateral powers to protect the game.


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And it's early enough for Jeffery to politely tell Williams they have to go in another direction while he is on indefinite suspension.

The league could easily do the Rams a favor and keep the guy on unpaid suspension long enough to cover the duration of the guys contract.

If I was the Commish, I'd tell him he is no longer allowed to coach in the NFL.


Goodell has that authority. He has unilateral powers to protect the game. And he should. Once you get a weak ass commish like Stern, you have another NBA, the most pitiful pro sports league on the planet.


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from reports Vilma was the main instigator, I wouldn't be surprised to see him gone a full year. Fujita definitely a few games, but unless they have something more on him, probably not more than 4-6.

NFLPA has a bigger shield than coaches do though, so it's tough to know.

I figure we're cutting Fujita anyway though, so let's just find a OLB and move on.




Oh, I don't think that Fujita will get off any more lightly than others. He was (and still is) a member of the NFLPA Executive Committee. ( https://www.nflplayers.com/About-us/NFLPA-Officers/Executive-Committee/ ) Above all, he should know the rules and if he admitted to just giving bonuses for turnovers and such - that's a clear violation of the rules and he knew it.

The hammer that drops on him could be worse than what Sean Payton saw because he effectively put bounties on his fellow players or knew about it being done and did nothing.

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The other option ..... which would be a major shocker ..... is this: Would the Saints fire Payton and bring in a new Head Coach altogether?

It's unlikely to be sure ....... but it could happen, especially if the team feels that its window to win another Super Bowl with Brees is closing.




That's a possibility, but unless I'm missing something, Brees was unhappy with the franchise tag and hasn't signed it. He could actually sit the entire season and be a free agent next year.

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And it's early enough for Jeffery to politely tell Williams they have to go in another direction while he is on indefinite suspension.

The league could easily do the Rams a favor and keep the guy on unpaid suspension long enough to cover the duration of the guys contract.

If I was the Commish, I'd tell him he is no longer allowed to coach in the NFL.


Goodell has that authority. He has unilateral powers to protect the game.




I agree that Williams should be banned from coaching in the NFL and I agree that Goodell, should he so desire, has the authority to impose it.

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If and when Fujita gets a sanction, I'd cut him within 2 hours.




Why wait for a ruling? I would cut him yesterday.


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Just a general reply ......

Now that so many other things have come to light, from the NFL warning teams about this stuff in advance, and Payton hanging around with shady characters ..... a drug problem .... and so on ........ yeah, I could see him gone period.

Given all of that stuff, I don't think that he will have his sentence reduced, and I would not be at all surprised if he is fired as a result.


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I wonder what Harrison thinks of the punishments. he was very vocal about them being hit hard since he is.


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I wonder what Harrison thinks of the punishments. he was very vocal about them being hit hard since he is.




He's probably pissed nobody paid him when Cribbs was "just sleeping"


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The hammer that drops on him could be worse than what Sean Payton saw because he effectively put bounties on his fellow players or knew about it being done and did nothing.




There's no possible way it can be worse than what Sean Payton saw. Payton makes $7 million a year. He loses that with his one year suspension.

As I understand it right now this cost Peyton 7 million dollars. Wow!


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His problem is...He knew about it, lied about it, was told to make it stop and didnt.

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The hammer that drops on him could be worse than what Sean Payton saw because he effectively put bounties on his fellow players or knew about it being done and did nothing.




There's no possible way it can be worse than what Sean Payton saw. Payton makes $7 million a year. He loses that with his one year suspension.

As I understand it right now this cost Peyton 7 million dollars. Wow!




Maybe not. What are we paying Fujita? How much longer is he slated to get paid? I don't know the answers to these questions but I think that potentially, he could face criminal prosecution. Remember, he was an NFLPA executive and can't claim that he didn't know that was he was doing was against the rules (and possibly US tax laws).

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