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We are probably going after Curtis Painter and T.O
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If we refused to give up pick 22 this year, I highly doubt we would have offered the 2013 and 2014 first rounders. That was never going to happen. It isn't in Holmgren's nor Heckert's nature to do a trade like that. Hell we may have driven up the price just to get the Rams enough to trade up with us. It happens. Teams been doing it to the RAiders forever lol.
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The Cleveland Browns had stepped up their efforts to try to acquire the No. 2 pick in recent days, going so far as to offer at least three No. 1 picks to the Rams and possibly even the second-round pick, according to one source familiar with the deal. Cleveland sensed it was going to get the deal done, only to be informed that St. Louis planned to deal the coveted No. 2 pick to the Redskins.
Part of this article: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/766824...k-st-louis-rams
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If that espn story is right and Cle would have given 3 1sts plus a 2 I don't understand why st Louis didn't do it? Cle picks wee higher? Shanhan friendship?
The only way that makes sense is if we wouldn't part with #22.
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The Cleveland Browns had stepped up their efforts to try to acquire the No. 2 pick in recent days, going so far as to offer at least three No. 1 picks to the Rams and possibly even the second-round pick, according to one source familiar with the deal. Cleveland sensed it was going to get the deal done, only to be informed that St. Louis planned to deal the coveted No. 2 pick to the Redskins.
Part of this article: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/766824...k-st-louis-rams
Well, can't say we didn't try. And as much as I wanted RG3 I'm glad we didn't get our way there as that's just way too much risk.
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That's umm, a lot to pay for one guy.
Do they even have the surrounding talent to support the guy since they pretty much just traded away their future for the next 3 years?
Wow...
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I'm glad we didn't throw too much into the pot for one unknown guy. However, if he becomes great, that's just one more QB we missed.
As of tonight, I think I'm ok with this. Use the 4 + 22 on good talent (WR and CB) and see what happens with Manning to Arizona (I think he'll go there and then they'll cut Kolb).
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Hell, Weeden's going to be a better QB! 
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Dammit!!!!!!!  They paid a king's ransom though. I wonder what happens if the Redskins get stripped of a pick because of their role in the bounty controversy? Looks like we're looking at Weeden, at best. 
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They paid a king's ransom though. I wonder what happens if the Redskins get stripped of a pick because of their role in the bounty controversy?
Looks like we're looking at Weeden, at best.
It's not official until Tuesday, so Godell has that much time to make up his mind what he's going to do about bounty gate.
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Three firsts and possibly a 2nd? That's very high for someone not named Andrew Luck.
That's what I was willing to give for Luck, but not for RG3. Now, I've seen a lot more of RG3 than Andrew Luck, but it's relieving that we didn't give up something ridiculous like this.
Worst comes to worse, hold off on drafting a QB this draft. Let's re-sign our guys (Patterson, Adams, Hillis). I wonder when Steinbach's salary will come in to effect. I'd like to see how he looks, but I think he'll be cut too, and that's okay, with a decent RT I think that Lavauo and Pinkston will do just fine. Cutting Steinbach should give us no reason not to sign our other free agents. Patterson and Adams were both significant contributors last season. Ward is great, but his injury history (college and last year) make me nervous. Adams is a vet, played on the team as long as anyone but Phil Dawson. He's gotten better every season.
Patterson brought a lot to the team last year, he's young and fiesty. I like the guy, and may be what I like the most is that he had such a bad reputation coming from Philly (hence why I wrote him off early on, and found myself pleasantly surprised)
I don't think Colt is a franchise QB, but I don't want to force a change just to force a change. I do think there's plenty of room for improvement for Colt, and I expect he'll be a much better player next season. People have really written him off, but I do think he was put in a very difficult situation last year. No OTA's, first year in WCO/new coaches (who he didn't get to work with until post-NFL strike), best receiver was Greg Little (rookie raw receiver who missed his junior season.......), Peyton Hillis injured most of the year. None of this helped him. Do I think Colt will become Drew Brees? No. But I don't think Colt as our QB next year would be that bad and I would like to see what kind of progress he makes
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Ytown, been telling you for months now, put in your order for a Ryan Tannehill jersey. He is going to be the next QB for the Cleveland Browns.
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you had a good run Hank.
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Blackmon at 4 and Weeden at 37! Okie's take over Cleveland! 
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The Cleveland Browns had stepped up their efforts to try to acquire the No. 2 pick in recent days, going so far as to offer at least three No. 1 picks to the Rams and possibly even the second-round pick, according to one source familiar with the deal. Cleveland sensed it was going to get the deal done, only to be informed that St. Louis planned to deal the coveted No. 2 pick to the Redskins.
Part of this article: http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/766824...k-st-louis-rams
The Redskins had to have offered more than 3 ones and a 2 then ....... because our 1st would be far superior than their 1st ....... and if the 2 deals were equal, then we would have had the better offer.
Who knows though.
I almost give up on us ever getting any better. The NFL officially sucks. I cannot post my real thoughts without getting thrown off the boards.
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Okie's take over Cleveland!
From someone with the 'nom de plume' of Tulsa who lives 'on a twisty road'. Been to Oklahoma much? 
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A kid who stares down his WRs and has what a grand total of 13 starts?? Yeah Mour I'm jonesing to get another 1st round bust.
I hope we stay with Colt at this point......not because I think he's the answer, but because I don't want to waste resources on redundant crap like Tannyhill/Flynn. Build up the team and make a move next year to get our guy (and we won't be bidding against the crazy uncle next year either).
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From someone with the 'nom de plume' of Tulsa who lives 'on a twisty road'. Been to Oklahoma much?
Hey now... 
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I just read some insider info that said the Brown's refused the Rams overtures of offering three 1st round selections or both in 2012 and additional in 2012 and 2013.
I just don't think the interest was there on our end. I think you are hearing the rumors they want us to hear as far as what we offered.
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From someone with the 'nom de plume' of Tulsa who lives 'on a twisty road'. Been to Oklahoma much?
Hey now...
I actually love Oklahoma. I lived in the Texas panhandle (Amarillo) for a long time and graduated from a small town south of there.
However, when we went on trips, we usually went west to New Mexico (another gorgeous state) and Colorado (yet another gorgeous state).
Besides, I was just messing with ya. 
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This damn team better show some massive improvement this year. Honest to God, I can't take much more crappy football. You watch though ..... someone will trade up with the Rams to grab Weeden right before our 2nd round pick too.  Welcome to another year of lousy offensive football. yea us. I swear sometimes that I have died and gone to football hell.
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Agreed. If we would have offered 3 1sts we would have had him. My guess is we offered the 4 and 22, and that is why the Skins were forced to offer the 3 1sts.
If we were willing to offer 3 1st round picks I doubt a 2nd rounder would have been a deal breaker.
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Forgive me for being cynical... what if Glazer's wrong?
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If ANY of the rumors are true about us wanting to move up, at least I feel better about our management and them NOT being happy with our offense.
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Anyone wishing we would have gone 2-14 or 1-15 at this point?
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Not a problem bud! I can forgive anyone stuck in Amarillo!
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Umm no, not really...
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I just read some insider info that said the Brown's refused the Rams overtures of offering three 1st round selections or both in 2012 and additional in 2012 and 2013.
I just don't think the interest was there on our end. I think you are hearing the rumors they want us to hear as far as what we offered.
Whatever the case, I'm happy we didn't give that up. Heckert has done well with his picks, and I've been very happy with our last two drafts.
I want this organization to have time, or at least Heckert to have his time to keep on drafting and putting together some solid talent.
My theory was, if we want RG3, my max is right around that Giants San Diego deal, two firsts, a third, and a five.
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"Anyone wishing we would have gone 2-14 or 1-15 at this point? "
Thats probably the master plan for this year...
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Forgive me for being cynical... what if Glazer's wrong?
He rarely is. However, the league year doesn't officially start until Tuesday, so another team, possibly us, could come in and offer more and Stl could back out of this deal and take the new offer. It would be a jerk move, to go back on your word to another team, but gotta take the better offer, in most cases. I don't see that happening though.
Tuesday is when this will become official, 4pm Eastern (iirc). So ytown, and any others, you have a sliver of hope until then.
Another thought/question...
IF (big IF), Stl wanted to get our #4 pick, what would you ask for in return?
I would want the 2nd rounder they got from wash, and a 1st. I said this in another thread, if they tried to fleece us to move up 2 spots (granted for a QB) we should try to do the same for them to move up 2 spots (6 to 4).
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Thats probably the master plan for this year...
Wouldn't that be great.
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Ugh. At least then I could dust off the Braylon jersey hiding in the closet and change the nameplate.
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and in other news Jim Irsay just tweeted, "I could have got what?"!
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Thats probably the master plan for this year...
Tanking for a far inferior QB in Barkley is just a bad idea.
you had a good run Hank.
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I'd have no problem with fleecing STL as you describe.
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This damn team better show some massive improvement this year.
Honest to God, I can't take much more crappy football.
Did you want to trade three firsts to get him? I mean; to me, it looks like the Redskins went overboard.
I mean, if that's what we're betting against, we can't just get him. Understand you're frustrated, but I think we should be patient. I like this organization and coaching staff more than I liked our past groups. Continuity is important.
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This quickly made me check out Irsay's twitter. For those who are interested, this is not true, lol. He said no such thing
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OK, this front office is much better ..... and they've brought us 5-11 and 4-12 the past 2 years.
Sooner or later "great front office" has to translate to the field. Sooner or later they have to do something beyond acquiring a player here or there, they have to win games.
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I didn't read it from Glazer.
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OK, this front office is much better ..... and they've brought us 5-11 and 4-12 the past 2 years.
Sooner or later "great front office" has to translate to the field. Sooner or later they have to do something beyond acquiring a player here or there, they have to win games.
I agree with this somewhat. I do think the FO is the best we've had since the return. But we do need to see it paying off sooner rather than later.
The problem is you need two main ingredients to win in the NFL. A bonafide QB and a bonafide coach. We have neither.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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