I think Minny takes Kalil, but if not, we better. You simply do not pass on a tackle prospect of his caliber (protects the right side and is excellent insurance if god forbid something happens on the other side) with the new rookie wage scale.
To address your Colt point, all I think this shows is that H/H liked RGIII's potential more than Colt's. I don't think it means they think Colt is destined to be pure garbage. That being said, maybe if the Donks get Manning, we can get TEBOW!!!!
Quote: I think Minny takes Kalil, but if not, we better. You simply do not pass on a tackle prospect of his caliber (protects the right side and is excellent insurance if god forbid something happens on the other side) with the new rookie wage scale.
At last minute, Browns tried and failed to trade for Rams’ pick Posted by Michael David Smith on March 10, 2012, 7:01 AM EST Griffin III of Baylor University looks for a receiver during NCAA football game against Huskies in San Antonio Reuters
Although the Browns tried to avoid publicly tipping their hand about trading up to the second overall pick, they were interested: And they attempted to work a deal out with the Rams on Friday night, only to have the Redskins beat them to the punch.
ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports that before the Redskins-Rams deal was reported, the Browns tried to make a last-minute push to acquire the Rams’ No. 2 overall pick for themselves. But the Browns weren’t able to get it done.
The fact that the Browns were in the mix indicates that they do have an interest in drafting someone to push Colt McCoy aside and become the franchise quarterback. The only question, now that we know they won’t get Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III, is whether the Browns are still looking to draft a quarterback.
If they are, their focus would then be on Texas A&M quarterback Ryan Tannehill. Browns head coach Pat Shurmur talked up Tannehill recently, and if the Browns like Tannehill as much as Shurmur suggested they do, they could take him with the fourth overall pick.
The Browns may also decide to take care of the quarterback position before the draft by signing a free agent. They’re not in the Peyton Manning sweepstakes, but Matt Flynn is a possibility.
Or the Browns could be ready willing to give McCoy another year. All we know for sure is they won’t be drafting Griffin, after the Redskins beat them to him. PFT
Quote: Peter king is saying no team in NFL history has ever traded 3 first round picks before ... I can't think of any and glad we weren't the ones to do it....especially with the new rookie wage scale
This is ticking me off..I surely won't get mad at the Browns for giving up next years #1 and another one??? But it should tell all McCoy fans they know they can't roll with him another year..now I hope RG busts out..yep that's the way I am today..
Quote: I understand you're upset because you wanted RG3 because you believe he's going to be a good QB.
But Trading all those picks doesn't guarantee that..
Part of me thinks he's going to fail now, not because they traded 3 firsts (even though according to some, 1st round picks are the ONLY way a team can aquire talent)
I don't think anyone, coach or player, can succeed in the Daniel Snyder lead Washington Redskins organization...
And now you add all of the pressure of being the guy they traded 3 1st round picks for.. and It's downhill from here...
But, while everyone will be like "see told ya so!" I won't, because I don't think he ever really had a chance to begin with...
I get that sense too. Any QB that comes to the Browns would be coming into a bad situation. The situation is even worse in Washington. I didn't want RG3 but I'm having some sympathy for the guy. Just his bad luck to be going into even a worse situation than that which he'd face if he came here.
Just how interested the Browns were in a trade can be debated until the cows come home and we won't know if that interest was serious or used to drive the Redskins bid higher.
Doesn't matter now...
This part of the story, become the story looking forward...
The fact that the Browns were in the mix indicates that they do have an interest in drafting someone to push Colt McCoy aside and become the franchise quarterback. The only question, now that we know they won’t get Andrew Luck or Robert Griffin III, is whether the Browns are still looking to draft a quarterback.
If they are, their focus would then be on Texas A&M quarterback Ryan Tannehill. Browns head coach Pat Shurmur talked up Tannehill recently, and if the Browns like Tannehill as much as Shurmur suggested they do, they could take him with the fourth overall pick.
The Browns may also decide to take care of the quarterback position before the draft by signing a free agent. They’re not in the Peyton Manning sweepstakes, but Matt Flynn is a possibility.
Or the Browns could be ready willing to give McCoy another year. All we know for sure is they won’t be drafting Griffin, after the Redskins beat them to him. web page
Quote: ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports that before the Redskins-Rams deal was reported, the Browns tried to make a last-minute push to acquire the Rams’ No. 2 overall pick for themselves. But the Browns weren’t able to get it done.
Is this the same Adam Schefter that repported that Hillis was going to retire and head into the CIA????
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
What's the use of wearing your lucky rocketship underpants if nobody wants to see them????
Quote: ESPN’s Adam Schefter reports that before the Redskins-Rams deal was reported, the Browns tried to make a last-minute push to acquire the Rams’ No. 2 overall pick for themselves. But the Browns weren’t able to get it done.
Is this the same Adam Schefter that repported that Hillis was going to retire and head into the CIA????
Adam is nothing more than a gossip monger anymore. When he was with NFLN, he seemed to have connections. I think when Jay broke the story that the browns and phins inquired and the Skins raised their offer with a lets finish this up now proposal, Schefter had to one up him and come in with details, whether true or not. Now to be fair Adam has ties to the skins and he very well could have gotten all his info from Snyder.
I have felt all along that Tannehill was the target and I have not seen or heard one thing to change that. I felt we would try to trade down and take him but with what the Skins gave up, probably better off taking him where we are.
I think it was Wednesday when Jason Laconfora said that the Browns were intrigued by RG3 but were uncertain about him for this offense but they had their eye on Tannehill. Anyway we will all find out soon enough.
For the love of everything Brown and Orange I hope they don't go after Tannehill. I'm no expert but I've watched everything I can find on him... games, highlights, combine stuff and I'm just totally underwhelmed. There's such a HUGE drop off in talent from Luck & RG3 to Tannehill it's not even funny. Is he really appreciably any better than Colt? I don't see it. I see a permanent back up.
At this point personally I think our best option is to stock the cupboard and give Colt another crack at it. I think know how its going to turn out but if can muster 7 wins and somehow have 2 firsts again next year im going to feel much better about "mortgaging our future". Get the WR, the RT, another RB, another DL in the 1st 3 rounds and see if somehow we can coax someone into giving us their 1st or 2nd next year.
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Quote: Adam is nothing more than a gossip monger anymore.
Oh I agree completely...He is a twitter journalist.....he is incredibly irresponsible in the way he reports his stories as he just wants to get the stories out there as fast as possible and damn the consequences as long as it gets his name out there as the first to report it....as if he has the "in" story.
The same could be said with Jamison Hensley, the AFC North Blogger for ESPN...he has virtually no clue about what the Browns FO truly thinks or wants to do and is a very lazy journalist and pumps out a crapload of articles (pun intended) stating his opinion as fact when in reality he doesn't know a single thing about the team he is reporting on. And they are reports for the most part with some opinion pieces thrown in. Now, granted it is a "blog" but it is presented as viable news source and not just as some editorials. And even in an editorial, it still should be noted that the article is the view of the author and not elicit fact. However the complete lack of knowledge this person shows of the teams he is reporting on is blatantly apparant...
And yet millions of people read this person taking his words as absolute fact, grossly skewing the perception of what is really going on. And in the extreme we get people like YTown who look like they are going to slit their wrists because we are not going to get RGIII....and I am not saying YTown built his opinions and perception on his articles and such...I am taking a jab at his over reaction to the QB situation...but that is just a difference of opinion....I am however saying that perception is reality and the irresponsible media is creating the worst possible perceptions that couldn't be further from the actual truth and it is not doing the fans any good. The only ones profiting is the media...They profit from the hysteria and or ignorance of us people who fall for the world they present us with.
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
What's the use of wearing your lucky rocketship underpants if nobody wants to see them????
If we draft Tannehill at 4 then we deserve the continued losing that will certainly follow from drafting such an underwhelming player that damn high.
If we want a QB at this point, the only option left is to go after Weeden. He's not a perfect solution, but he's better than the other options, especially Tannehill.
Like I said though, the Rams will probably screw us again by trading the #34 pick to someone else who wants Weeden.
Ywp ..........I live in sports hell ....
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#4 for a QB with a good arm, good footwork, decent mechanics, pro system, great pocket presence, NFL size, athleticism and to quote casserly is terrific going through his progressions.
Or we could have spent 3 firsts and a 2nd well maybe two 2nds to get a QB with a good arm, horrible footwork, horrible mechanics, from a 1 read shotgun spread offense, good pocket presence, tremendous athleticism.
No wonder you thought Mangini was doing a good job.
Ok, not gonna dwell on what could have been. There'll be time for that in five seasons. Time to focus on the facts:
1) Any belief that Heckert and Holmgren don't believe in 1st round QB's has been debunked. 2) Any belief that Heckert and Holmgren feel that McCoy is the future has been debunked. 3) At the absolute least we are going to have our choice of players which include but aren't limited to the best LT prospect to come along in years, the best RB prospect to come along since Peterson, a very safe bet at WR or a very safe bet at CB. 4) We have two first-round selections if we don't make a move and three of the top 37 picks in this draft. 5) We could have more than three of the top 37 picks in this draft if we are willing to slide back. 6) Dan Snyder is about to become the greatest "all-in" gambler in history, or the biggest punchline in history.
7. Cleveland will not acquire a franchise QB or anything close to one...again.
WINNERS: The Rams: Obviously, the Rams made out like bandits pulling in an unprecedented haul to move down four spots in the draft. Trading away #2 and getting #6, a 2013 first, a 2014 first, an unchronicled 2nd round pick, and an additional pick or additional picks is an absolute no-brainer. I expect those firsts they got to be high picks as the Redskins seem to always find a way to be bad. Turns out Jeff Fisher's bravado was right. This is a franchise-defining moment.
Mike Shanahan: Rumors have been swirling about Shanahan running out of rope with Snyder after two lackluster years, going 11-21 and cellar-dwelling in the NFC East. By getting Griffin, he hopes he's fixed the team's number one weakness, an electrifying, playmaking QB. It was generally discussed that Shanahan had three choices: Manning, Griffin, or Unemployment. If Griffin stars, Shanahan keeps his job and has a luxury most coaches don't. If he flops and Shanny is fired, the future picks being lost are meaningless to him. After Manning brushed off the 'Skins' advances, Shanahan had no option but to acquire Griffin at all costs.
Andrew Luck: How is it that the most-talked about QB in the draft is the one expected to go second? The best thing that has happened to Andrew Luck in this entire draft process has been Robert Griffin. The drama surrounding where Griffin would go has overshadowed any media buildup around what expectations for Luck will be, despite him being regarded as the best QB prospect since the guy he's replacing came out of college.
LOSERS: Cleveland Browns: After appearing to be in the driver's seat to acquire Griffin, they are now back to what they had previously at QB: a bunch of guys. What is available in the rest of the draft is another bunch of guys. They have to decide if they want to burn a round 1 or 2 pick on a QB prospect who isn't special, or give Colt McCoy an abundance of talent around him to remove any remaining question marks about the reasons for his lack of success and production.
Robert Griffin: Griffin is now all but locked in to what has been a very dysfunctional fanchise for most of his life. There will be tremendous pressure for him to produce immediately, and perhaps without the necessary supporting cast. It will be difficult for him to live up to the expectations that will be placed on him. He's probably got more riding on NFL free agency than anyone else.
Washington Redskins: If ever there was an appropriate application of the term "mortgaging the future," the Redskins have just demonstrated it. They currently lack talent at skill positions and now they lack premium draft picks to fill those positions for the next few years. They have no good WRs under 30 but hope Leonard Hankerson can develop into one. Their OL play has been dodgy and injury-plagued. They've got nothing but question marks and HGH at safety in a division with teams that like to go deep. Skins fans better hope RGIII brings his Superman socks, because he's going to have to do a lot of this on his own. They do have a whole bunch of cap room, but Free Agency isn't as sure a thing as some make it out to be... Washington still has to shake it's image of being unstable for people to want to play there. See: Peyton Manning.
Kendall Wright: I had a sneaking suspicion when track star Kendall Wright ran one of the slowest 40s for wideouts at the combine at 4.61 that he was tanking. I think he and Griffin were hoping to be teamed back up together and the only way that was going to happen would be him falling to 22. Now his stock has sunk a bit after being talked about as a potential target as high as 12 to Seattle pre-combine. He's got to re-establish his true speed in the eyes of clubs if he wants to recover his draft stock.
I think we will look back on this and laugh one day. I am laughing now and feel much better about this team going forward. It show's we are in good hands and are sticking with the plan of building through the draft. Anyone who is knocking Cleveland should turn their scorn the way of Dan Snyder and the Redskins. Now that he traded all his draft's away, he will be left to continue trying to go Free agent crazy which never work's in the NFL. Especially given that Rookie 1st round picks are now so much more reasonable to sign. I see them being over the cap for the foreseeable future. Griffin just entered into a horrible situation trying to save a Coach his job and the pressure of living up to 3 first round picks and some 2nds or whatever it is. If you ask me today is a good day to be a Brown's fan and am excited for the draft and see what Heckert has up his sleeves.
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
Quote: If we draft Tannehill at 4 then we deserve the continued losing that will certainly follow from drafting such an underwhelming player that damn high.
I don't believe we will.. in fact, I have a doubt that we'll even Draft tannehill anywhere.. I also doubt we'll draft Weeden.. I just have a feeling that we will draft a QB but it won't be 1st or 2nd round at all..,
Let me go one step further,, unless the Browns are in love with Richardson or Blackmon,, my guess is we trade down this year and get a 1st out of someone for next year.
I only say that because that's kinda been the way Heckert seems to like to work things.... we'll see
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Quote: #4 for a QB with a good arm, good footwork, decent mechanics, pro system, great pocket presence, NFL size, athleticism and to quote casserly is terrific going through his progressions. and is 28 years old
Everything he has done has to be downgraded due to the bolded part I added. He's a 28 year old competing against 18-22 year olds, I would certainly hope he'd be lighting up the place if he had any sort of NFL aspirations. Many on here have said that the WCO is a 3 year process, so a 1st round pick on a guy that will be 31 by the time he learns the system does not a sound appealing to me. I'd love him if he was 5 years younger, but then again he wouldn't be this "highly touted" prospect if he was playing against people his own age.
As I expected (and said a week or so ago) the Redskins are paying whatever it takes to move up to #2. I knew that no price would be too high for Danny Snyder.
I also expected to see the usual group of posters ready to jump off the proverbial roof because the Browns weren't willing to outspend the maniac in DC. So far I have been right on this front as well.
We will not have to forfeit the season because we don't get RG3. Contrary to what some will have us believe.
I don't know if Mourg is right but I have a sneaking suspicion he is and that we will make whatever moves we have to make to acquire Tannehill. I can live with that. Hopefully, the more manic posters on here can as well.
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Weeden is 29 not Tannehill. Weeden is also from the spread, has horrible footwork with the slightest hint of pressure and should not even be considered until the 3rd.
Tannehill is from Sherman's offense which is pretty damn close to this one.
Quote: The same could be said with Jamison Hensley, the AFC North Blogger for ESPN...he has virtually no clue about what the Browns FO truly thinks or wants to do and is a very lazy journalist and pumps out a crapload of articles (pun intended) stating his opinion as fact when in reality he doesn't know a single thing about the team he is reporting on.
Pete...speaking of Hensley, did you read what this jerk wrote this morning? ESPNs Hensley
Hensely is a Baltimore native who signed on with ESPN just last year. He is obviously an anti-Browns and pro-Ravens writer...so what does espn do with him...they assign him to blog about the Browns...thanks for Ravens plant, ESPN.
Here is what Jamison Hensley wrote when he left the Baltimore Sun newspaper just before joining ESPN last year...
Jamison Hensley says goodbye to his hometown newspaper
September 14, 2011 By Jamison Hensley
It’s hard to think of my life without The Sun in it. I delivered The Sun when I was a kid in Northeast Baltimore. I answered phones for it when I was a college student. I covered the Ravens for it for over half of my adult life.
Quote: LOSERS: Cleveland Browns: After appearing to be in the driver's seat to acquire Griffin, they are now back to what they had previously at QB: a bunch of guys. What is available in the rest of the draft is another bunch of guys. They have to decide if they want to burn a round 1 or 2 pick on a QB prospect who isn't special, or give Colt McCoy an abundance of talent around him to remove any remaining question marks about the reasons for his lack of success and production.
That about says it all.
The factory of sadness remains at full production.
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John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
Quote: Weeden is 29 not Tannehill. Weeden is also from the spread, has horrible footwork with the slightest hint of pressure and should not even be considered until the 3rd.
Tannehill is from Sherman's offense which is pretty damn close to this one.
Ah, for some reason, I thought you were talking Weeden. Ignore this lol.
Quote: RG3 will now and forever be in an elite group with the likes of Ricky Williams and Hershell Walker.
I happen to agree Mourg, Time will tell but I feel good about this one. I hope those Griffin fans now hope he fails miserably because he is now the enemy. I have a feeling that he is the guy that came out and said he didn't want to be drafted by the Brown's. Only QB's pull that crap, and maybe Heckert caught wind of it and the report that we were attempting to trade is fabricated slightly to show a good will effort but both teams knew He wasn't coming here. Did anyone ever once get the feeling we were in the slight bit interested? They were general statements about how good of an athlete he is. If he stumbles as a QB, he can try at Receiver which some before this year projected him as in the NFL.
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
I am sorry but whomever put the Browns as "losers" for not switching #1's this year, two #1's the next two years and #2 this year simply has no friggin idea how teams are built in the NFL . Free agency has not even started yet, of course the Rams were looking for a sucker and they found one.
That being said-there already may be a way to acquire more draft picks for us if we want to move down a couple. There is already a report out this morning that the Vikes want Kalil. So now we hold all the cards. We have Blackmon and Clairborne if we want or we can take one of the #1's back from the Rams.
Rams loved Blackmon’s Pro Day, may have traded down too far
Posted by Michael David Smith on March 10, 2012, 11:32 AM EST
Getty Images The St. Louis Post-Dispatch has a story in Saturday’s paper about Oklahoma State receiver Justin Blackmon’s Friday Pro Day, written before news broke that the Rams and Redskins had agreed on Thursday night to swap first-round picks.
We already knew that Blackmon ran well at his Pro Day, but the Post-Dispatch report makes clear that the Rams like a lot more about Blackmon than just how fast he can run 40 yards in a straight line. Rams receivers coach Ray Sherman was on the scene alongside director of college scouting John Mancini and director of player personnel Lawrence McCutcheon, and Sherman offered some lofty comparisons about what kind of receiver Blackmon can become.
“I thought he ran well,” Sherman said. “I thought he caught the ball well; he was very good. . . . I coached a Hall of Famer in Jerry Rice. Everybody said he wasn’t fast, and all I know is when he caught [the ball] nobody could catch him. And I went against guys like Michael Irvin. Those guys are football players. This guy — Justin Blackmon — is a football player.”
That sounds like a football player the Rams would love to take with the sixth overall pick in the NFL draft, but the question now becomes whether Blackmon will still be there at No. 6. Vikings coach Leslie Frazier and Browns coach Pat Shurmur were both at Blackmon’s Pro Day, and Shurmur made a specific point of approaching Blackmon afterward and telling him how much he liked what he saw. With the Vikings picking third and the Browns picking fourth, there’s a good chance that Blackmon will be off the board before the Rams pick sixth.
The other player the Rams are said to be enamored with, LSU cornerback Morris Claiborne, also may go to the Vikings, Browns or, at No. 5, the Buccaneers. So the Rams may have traded down too far to get either of the players they’re reportedly most interested in. Mel Kiper suggested on Friday that both Blackmon and Claiborne will be gone, and that the Rams may be choosing between Iowa offensive tackle Riley Reiff and Memphis defensive tackle Dontari Poe.
For the Rams, this trade was about a lot more than one player, and this trade will be defined not simply by what they do with the sixth overall pick but also with what the Rams do with the other two first-round picks and the second-round pick they got from the Redskins. That’s good, because the Rams may find that the players they’re hoping for at No. 6 aren’t there for the taking.
What has Tannehill done that looks like it will translate to the NFL level?
Seriously.
He is unsettled under pressure, and makes stupid throws. He is fine on short throws, but struggles with accuracy the deeper you ask him to throw the ball. He will never hit a deep out with authority. His arm is decent, but not some special rocket as some have implied. His accuracy is spotty, especially down the field. He lacks experience. and experience is one of the biggest factors in predicting NFL success for a QB.
Someone put up tape on Tannehill's games, and it looked like he was throwing almost every single pass within 5 yards of the LOS. Sure there was an occasional foray deeper down the field, met with mixed results, but the majority of his passes are short little flares, and not big boy NFL throws.
I just don't see a special NFL talent there. I see a guy who might make it someday ...... but not any time soon. I don't see HH&S picking a guy who won't help them for 2 more years. They might not have jobs in 2 more years if things don't improve before then. This is year 3 of Holmgren/Heckert, and we are coming off 5-11, 4-12. I don't care who did what before this, the simple fact is that we're in year 3 with no real improvement in win/loss yet. Sooner or later, you have to win if you want to stay in the NFL.
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Plan A is gone (we obviously were in the bidding from all reports), and I'm not sure I would have paid THAT price but we should have paid less since we're at 4 and had another 1st this draft...
anyway...I'm confident enough in Heckert that he has a plan B, C, D and more
At this point I'll join Mourg's bandwagon and pull for Tannehill, that'd be my plan B now, plan C being Weeden, plan D Flynn and plan E Campbell and mid rounder
Not sure Tannehill can come in day 1 and beat out McCoy...so maybe both "camps" get their wish...McCoy gets another half season to show he's trash and then Tannehill takes over as soon as he's ready (or as soon as fans are finally fed up with Colt)...I hope though that we sign a stop gap QB like Henne, Orton, Campbell if we draft Tannehill...because....if we draft Tannehill, he'll be considered our franchise guy and McCoy has still some trade value as a backup QB option....he won't re-sign with us anyway as a backup, might as well get what we can and trade him then, rather then keeping him around as a "lame duck QB"...would be best for both
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Quote: I am sorry but whomever put the Browns as "losers" for not switching #1's this year, two #1's the next two years and #2 this year simply has no friggin idea how teams are built in the NFL . Free agency has not even started yet, of course the Rams were looking for a sucker and they found one.
I didn't say the browns were losers because they didn't give away the picks the skins did, I said they're losers in the trade because they still don't have a great QB... Maybe not even a "good enough" QB, and that there's nobody else that is special to go after. If you'll actually read the post I made, you'll see that I also listed the Skins as losers for the reason you mentioned.
To you and Otto, the people bemoaning this trade aren't upset with Heckert for not topping the deal, just for the fact that we're stuck with mediocre QB options.
To you and Otto, the people bemoaning this trade aren't upset with Heckert for not topping the deal, just for the fact that we're stuck with mediocre QB options.
Quote: or give Colt McCoy an abundance of talent around him to remove any remaining question marks about the reasons for his lack of success and production.
jc...
Why wouldn't the Browns want to give our QB, whomever that is, an abundance of talent around him, to give him the best chance to succeed.
If the Browns had landed RGIII and mortgaged our future to do it, we would still be faced with adding the talent around our QB to help him and the team succeed.
The Browns would have found themselves in the same situation they setup for Tim Couch...a top pick QB without the talent surrounding him to succeed.
Rather than repeat history by giving up so many future draft picks for another top QB, the Browns need to go back to doing what they started, two years ago...rebuilding this team by laying a sound foundation. A foundation built upon solid draft picks with the best talent available.
With the high priced, and maybe over priced QBs gone, now the Browns have no choice but to return to the formula that turned the Browns pass defense into the 2nd best in the NFL...and that is with a ton of young guys who will only get better.
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