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rotoworld: The Dolphins are discussing an Olindo Mare trade with the Browns, Saints, Giants, and Falcons, according to the South Florida Sun-Sentinel. They'll be lucky to get a seventh-rounder for him. In other 'Fins news, the team has interest in free agent G Matt Lehr and the NFLPA is reviewing the Wes Welker trade, but the investigation is unlikely to go anywhere. ----------- Mare??? wtf? 
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The Dolphins are discussing an Olindo Mare trade with the Browns, Saints, Giants, and Falcons, according to the South Florida Sun-Sentinel.
They'll be lucky to get a seventh-rounder for him. In other 'Fins news, the team has interest in free agent G Matt Lehr and the NFLPA is reviewing the Wes Welker trade, but the investigation is unlikely to go anywhere.
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Mare??? wtf?
Isnt he a kicker....
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The Dolphins signed Feeley last week and I guess this makes Mare expendable. Personally, I'd rather have a rookie tutor under Dawson than someone two years older than Dawson.
Additionally, Dawson has a better career percentage than Mare -- a guy who's spend his entire career kicking in sunny Miami.
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that old gray Mare, he ain't what he used to be, ain't what he used to be, ain't what he used to be..... c'mon, sing along, you know the words!  we don't need him.
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The Dolphins are discussing an Olindo Mare trade with the Browns, Saints, Giants, and Falcons, according to the South Florida Sun-Sentinel.
They'll be lucky to get a seventh-rounder for him. In other 'Fins news, the team has interest in free agent G Matt Lehr and the NFLPA is reviewing the Wes Welker trade, but the investigation is unlikely to go anywhere.
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Mare??? wtf?
Isnt he a kicker....
Yep.....
I hope this doesn't mean the end of Dawson. He's a good kicker, and I'd like to keep him around.
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that old gray Mare, he ain't what he used to be, ain't what he used to be, ain't what he used to be.....
c'mon, sing along, you know the words!
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Is rotoworld a reliable source or do they just spew garbage? I don't see how the browns have any use for Mare...so this doesn't make a bit of sense to me.
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Lets be honest, Phil didnt have the best season last year and we all know he's not very good past a 46 yarder or so. So kicker is def something we need to look at. If we can bring Mare in to give Phil some competition without giving up alot then lets do it. True Mare has been in Miami a long time but from what I recall he has made some pretty long kicks over 50.. Phil on the other hand doesnt really have that kind of a leg. So lets see where this goes without getting all crazy about it..
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Dawson career 50+yds: 6-7 Mare career 50+yds: 14-30...1-6 last season  To be fair....Mare is 1 of the best KO-kicker around, he lead the league in touchbacks last year and Dawson is at best mediocre at that....still I don´t want no part of Mare, esp. if we have to give something away for him....but I guess he´ll be traded to the Giants or Falcons since they have no K or maybe Saints, who have a 44yo Carney
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Dawson lead the league in touchbacks for part of last season.
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Dawson lead the league in touchbacks for part of last season.
So what...Mare lead the league with 24, Dawson was mid-pack with 11....for the whole season that is
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If its for only a seventh rounder then i have no problem with it, competition will only make us stronger.
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a little competition and depth is NEVER a bad thing...unless we give them anything higher than a 6th.
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I think what Savage is shooting for, if he sees Mare as an upgrade as opposed to competition...
Last year Mare was 9/12 from 40-49 yds.
Dawson was 6/12 from the same distance.
Mare's career long = 54 yards
Dawson's career long = 52 yards
And then Mare is a big leg for KOs.
I know it was typed that Mare plays in sunny Miami, but he also plays in the AFC East...he goes to New England, New York, Buffalo.
Here's his stats from November 1st on from the last few years in cold weather games where Mare attempted a kick:
2006:
11/05 @ CHI 1/1 20-29 yds and 0/1 30-39 yds long = 20 yds
2005:
1/1 @ NE 2/22 - from 30-39 yds and 2/2 from 40-49 yds long = 42 yds
2004:
11/21 @ SEA - 1/2 from 30-39 yds long = 39 yds
1/02 @ BAL - 0/1 from 50+ yds
12/12 @ DEN - 1/1 from 30-39 yds long = 32 yds
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12/21 @ BUF - 1/1 from 20-29 yds and 1/1 30-39 yds long = 30 yds
Nothing real mind blowing here, just for stat junkies.
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I'd rather keep the draft pick...
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I'd rather keep the draft pick...
Totally. I'd rather draft a kicker in the 7th than trade for a guy who doesn't have that many years left. If he's not good enough to kick in Miami 8 games a year, he's not good enough to kick in the AFC North.
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Here's what I see Maverick...
In the closing games of the 06 Season...Dawson gave up - there were rumors that he expressed simply being tired of losing. Tired of playing for the Browns.
He missed some rather easy FGs.
This can become a cancer...and he GAVE UP ON US.
I see us picking up Mare a veteran kicker. And then trade Dawson to the Cowboys...where Dawson is from (Texas) and he would be tickled pink to play there. I think we can get as high as a 2nd rounder from them...They've been looker for a kicker for some time now.
Maybe we will spend a 5th rounder on the kid from Colorodo???? Although I don't see Savages as the type to use a draft pick for a kicker.
But getting Mare first and then make the trade with Dallas makes sense.
The Dawson thing at the end of last season was scary to me...HE QUIT ON US!
Maybe he had his reasons...I know Danielle mentioned his child was very ill (hospitalized) at one point. but the fact is he quit!
Best make the move now then having to cut him during the season if it reoccurrs or simply continues. I know we are going to win more games this year but still quitting is not a good sign and he quit.
I've been a staunch Dawson backer for years...this is the first time I'm WANTING us to do something especially if we can pull a first day draft pick from the most perfect trade partner for Dawson!!
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A 2nd for Dawson? I'd be shocked to get a 4th.
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So let me see if I understand what some of you all are thinking here. We pick up Mare because we think he's a better kicker then Dawson and give the phins a 7th round pick then trade Dawson to Dallas and get a 2nd rounder for him?
What am I missing in this logic???
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I think we can get as high as a 2nd rounder from them
Riiiight..... no way we'd get higher than a 5th for him.
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I'm counting on the magnitude of their need and inability to fill it - even by signing the all time pct. holder of FG kickers Vanderjack!
Here is a good ole boy from TEXAS - 2nd 4th whatever, once we signed Mare we could think about making the deal. Dallas is knocking on the door...they don't need that 2nd rounder or 3rd rounder whatever as much as a reliable FG kicker. Its a big thing with them and rather important.
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"So let me see if I understand what some of you all are thinking here. We pick up Mare because we think he's a better kicker then Dawson"
Not once did I say Mare is a better kicker.
What I was implying is possibly he's BETTER FOR THE BROWNS simply because of the Dawson dissatisfaction displayed at the end of last season. When game face is on I don't think Dawson is bad at all. But he never quit on us before. I'm saying to nip it in the bud. Dawson is a top 4-5 kicker in this league. He just might have had his fill with us and kicking FGs is so mental. Its an observation that possibly might make him a great FG w/Dallas but if he remains here he would kick himself out of a job.
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"Riiiight..... no way we'd get higher than a 5th for him."
 either he sucks and we can't get anything for him...or you hit the right team at the right time and have the perfect kicker for him.
btw...after having great need due to less kicking woe experiences than what Dallas experienced...the JETS invested what for a kicker of less value than Dawson? A 2nd rounder so before you laugh at me why don't see what teams are willing to expend for the right kicker.
2nd rounder...5th rounder. It don't matter until it happens. There was a reason why I said 2nd rounder cause I saw what a team in recent history was willing to expend on a kicker...now where do you come up with 5th rounder from?
I'm expounding on what I think is the Maximum possibility. Its a friggen message board. I did so cause there is a history. Like you are friggen expert with great knowledge.
At least I didn't pull 5th rounder simply out of my pimpled butt?
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What I was implying is possibly he's BETTER FOR THE BROWNS simply because of the Dawson dissatisfaction displayed at the end of last season. When game face is on I don't think Dawson is bad at all. But he never quit on us before. I'm saying to nip it in the bud.
When did he give up on us? What reports are you citing here? There have been no such reports.
As for his "giving up late in the season", Dawson has scored points in every game this year the Browns have scored points in. He put up 7 on Dec 3rd against KC, kicking the game winner in OT. He scored 5 against Baltimore in a loss, and the final 6 points of the year in the 14-6 loss to Houston.
He missed 2 FG in the first half and 6 FG in the 2nd half. Is that when these "reports" say he gave up?
He kicked 12-of-12 PATs in the first half of the year and 13 in the 2nd. Is that when he gave up?
He hit a 50+ yarder against Baltimore on Dec 17th and missed a 40+ FG.
Big deal.
We have much bigger issues to deal with and much better ways we can use a 7th rounder. Heck, I'd rather use the 7th on a kicker in the draft than bring in the Old Mare and teach him to kick in the snow.
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Phil didn't give up His child was sick, and his mind may have been on his family (as would most of us with a sick child) but he didn't give up.
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In the closing games of the 06 Season...Dawson gave up - there were rumors that he expressed simply being tired of losing. Tired of playing for the Browns.
What is with you?
You are going from thread to thread making [censored] up. First, you say that Davidson said the OL was good enough and Phil said it wasn't and that is why Davidson is gone. I asked you to prove that and of course, you said you didn't have time to look up the articles.
Now, you are saying that Phil gave up on the team. Where did you hear this?
And the BS about us trading a 7th for Mare and then getting a 2nd for Dawson.... Why wouldn't Dallas just trade for Mare? It would be cheaper. Man, you are whacked.
To the rest of the thread: Let's hope the trade is just a stupid rumor that has no validity.
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I like the Crosby kid from Colorado.....if we want a kicker, draft him in the 4th round.
I know some think that is high, but when you consider what they do and are around for 20 years, a 4th rounder every couple of decades isn't a high price.
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Didn't the Jets draft Nuggent in the second?
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Janakowski never turned out to be great, as I recall they were impressed mroe with how FAR he could kick than his actual kicking skills.
Nugget was a nice pick, he can be a pro for years to come.
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My comment was just a basis in fact more than a pimp job for Janikoski.
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My comment was just a basis in fact more than a pimp job for Janikoski.
oh i know, i was just saying, he is a bust. 77% for your career isn't first round material in hindsight. No matter how many touchbacks you kick. 
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Competition for Phil wouldnt be a bad thing.
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Wierd,, what are we gonna do with a 92 year old kicker 
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Like you are friggen expert with great knowledge
Glad you noticed
Personally I don't think we'll get Mare... could happen but doubt...
and I'll go on record as saying there's no way in hell we'll get a second round for Dawson...
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I hope we're able to keep Phil Dawson.. please don't trade any draft picks for a KICKER!!!
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I like the Crosby kid from Colorado.....if we want a kicker, draft him in the 4th round.
I know some think that is high, but when you consider what they do and are around for 20 years, a 4th rounder every couple of decades isn't a high price.
I would not even consider a kicker in the draft.
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In the closing games of the 06 Season...Dawson gave up - there were rumors that he expressed simply being tired of losing. Tired of playing for the Browns.
Rumors.....tsk tsk tsk.....
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This can become a cancer...and he GAVE UP ON US.
Yeah, there is nothing worse than a disgruntled PK ranting and raving in the locker room, I have heard rumors that this has killed many a team in previous years.
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But getting Mare first and then make the trade with Dallas makes sense.
The Dawson thing at the end of last season was scary to me...HE QUIT ON US!
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Maybe he had his reasons...I know Danielle mentioned his child was very ill (hospitalized) at one point. but the fact is he quit!
Fact? Or speculation on your part??
This entire thread, just as most Dawson threads are, is totally laughable....especially when you write that we can get a second rounder from the Boys for him!!! *LOL*
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Just clickin, thought I'd put my 2 cents on this topic. Though it's probably only worth a peso...:D Anyways, I like Phil Dawson but by no means do I consider him to be one of the best kickers in the NFL or in a Browns uniform.
So I have to ask do we really need Mare? My answer is no, now could we use Mare, my answer is yes. He's got a stronger leg than Phil. Doesn't really make him better than Phil but doesn't hurt him either. A 7th rd. pick for Mare is not a bad deal, considering most 7th rd. picks don't even hang around in the NFL.
As for trading Phil, well I would not expect us to get a whole lot for him. He's a mediocre kicker. If we could get a 4th or 5th rd. pick for him that would impress me. 6th or 7th is what I would expect.
btw, Eo, I thought the Boys just signed Gramatica to a 2 year deal? So why would they give us a 2nd rd. pick? Gramatica is not that bad, he's had a couple of seasons that haven't been too good for him but before that, in Tampa, he was really good, better than Dawson for a while.
I don't blame the Boys for getting rid of Vanderjerk, He seemed to have an attitude problem.
Also, some of you seem to not want to draft a kicker??? Why??? Where do you think kickers come from??? The Draft! So if this kid from Colorado is good then I say let's get him in the 4th or 5th rd. Maybe we can get an extra pick for Dawson, like a 5th or 6th and use it to move up or a trade down with our 3rd overall pick, if that happens.
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