|
|
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 12,065
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 12,065 |
Unless you have Avatars turned off, Take a look at mine..
So if a player is injured, not hurt... INJURED. They should play regardless? Even if playing hurts the team?
What if they've recently been sick, and lost 10-15 pounds, and are not physically able to perform? Should they lace the boots up anyways?
Continuing to ignore the facts of the situation doesn't make your argument any stronger...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,276
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 2,276 |
Of course its also possible that Hillis was legitimately sick and/or injured while simultaneously being a locker room distraction with a bad attitude.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 17,850
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 17,850 |
#gmstrong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 1,212
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 1,212 |
j/c
here's the thing it seems alot of people are missing. Hillis didn't want to be here. It appears the feeling was mutual. WERE we a better team with him- 2010 yes, 2011 no. Will he be replaced, you bet. In the end, i doubt any one of us loses much sleep over this loss.
I don't think the browns are at fault here in losing this nut. Hillis better get himself a big helping of humble pie if he wants to resurrect his career.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,532
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Apr 2008
Posts: 1,532 |
j/c  I so cant wait to see Montario Oneyardesty tearing it up next year as our starting RB.....I can just see it now 1&10....Montario Oneyardesty rushes up the middle for a one yard gain. 2&9 Montario Oneyardesty on the sweep for a one yard gain. 3rd&8 McCoy rolls out right, drop by MoMass, 4th&8....AND PUNT!!! Ugh......at least we got Frostee the snow man to save us on the D side of the ball......what a terrible freaking offseason this has been. 
#brownsgoodkarma
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 816
All Pro
|
|
All Pro
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 816 |
Quote:
Of course its also possible that Hillis was legitimately sick and/or injured while simultaneously being a locker room distraction with a bad attitude.
I think the whole skipping therapy to go get married is a bigger deal. Pro football players know that their time for earning money is short and that they need to be on the field as much as possible. So why does a guy schedule a wedding during the middle of the season? I think he's a bit squirrelly. Doesn't mean I don't like him but he's a wee bit impulsive or something. Taking the one year deal with KC may have been yet another impulse move on his part. He lives his life like he runs the football.
I'll miss him but players come and go.
"Let people think this is a dumpster fire," - Mike Pettine
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 13,810
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 13,810 |
Quote:
Unless you have Avatars turned off, Take a look at mine..
So if a player is injured, not hurt... INJURED. They should play regardless? Even if playing hurts the team?
What if they've recently been sick, and lost 10-15 pounds, and are not physically able to perform? Should they lace the boots up anyways?
Continuing to ignore the facts of the situation doesn't make your argument any stronger...
os...are you so young and naive that you can't understand, Hillis was being questioned by 8 of his teammates?
If Hillis was truly injured, do you believe those 8 teammates would call Hillis into a meeting to discuss his situation and express the fact that the team needed him, to help them win?
.......................
From the article you refuse to read..." it’s killing us, because we really need him. And we’ve told him that."
..................................................................................................
Why would 8 teammates say this (above) if they felt Hillis was injured?
................................
Again, from the article..."Hillis and quarterback Thaddeus Lewis were seen holding a contest during warmups to see who could throw footballs off the crossbar better. Hillis was inactive for the game with a hamstring injury.
“It was a bad look,” another player said, “and it did not sit well with any of us.”
..................................................................................................
osg...the comments above, “It was a bad look,”....do you believe this comment is referring to type of pass Hillis was throwing...wobbly and not a spiral?
osg...and this comment, “and it did not sit well with any of us.”...do have a clue what the comment might be getting at?
Three days after teammates witnessed Hillis engage in a football throwing contest before the SF game, his teammates held the intervention type meeting with Hillis...any idea why Hillis' teammates might have done such a thing?
osg...you don't have to answer...your silence is as good as an answer.
FOOTBALL IS NOT BASEBALL
Home of the Free, Because of the Brave...
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 17,850
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 17,850 |
Hillis obviously did not handle things well last year. That is unquestioned.
But, neither did players blabbing internal team stuff to a reporter no matter if they happen to be alum at the same school. Keep the locker room stuff in the locker room.
#gmstrong
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 27,306
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 27,306 |
Mac Hillis was indeed injured, no if's ands or buts about it. The problem some of his team mates had with him had to do with his frustration, and immaturity, not with his health.
I AM ALWAYS RIGHT... except when I am wrong.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 42,413
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Jan 2009
Posts: 42,413 |
Quote:
Ben Tate will not be the running back replacing departed Peyton Hillis. League sources said there is nothing to the rumors speculating the Browns were trying to work a trade to acquire the Texans running back. Tate rushed for 942 yards and four touchdowns on 175 carries last season.
The Texans drafted Tate 58th overall in 2010, one pick before the Browns drafted Montario Hardesty.
Link
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,656
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 1,656 |
I'm floored at how bad modern reporting has become. Make something up, attribute it to a "source", and presto: news story! How many of these Flynn, Tate type stories are going on around the league - not just here?
There may be people who have more talent than you, but there's no excuse for anyone to work harder than you do.
-Derek Jeter
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 15,015
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 15,015 |
Everyone wants to be the one to break a story, so they make up things that seem possible, if they are right they get the spotlight for a couple minutes, if they are wrong everyone just forgets it ever happened and moves on. So basically nothing to lose as far as the general population goes.
We don't have to agree with each other, to respect each others opinion.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 816
All Pro
|
|
All Pro
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 816 |
Quote:
Everyone wants to be the one to break a story, so they make up things that seem possible, if they are right they get the spotlight for a couple minutes, if they are wrong everyone just forgets it ever happened and moves on. So basically nothing to lose as far as the general population goes.
I just wonder about the timing of the whole thing. Like "when did Hillis hear about this so-called trade"? Was it before or after he signed with the Chefs. If he heard the trade rumors before signing I wonder if it prompted him to make the deal quickly. I doubt we'll ever know.
"Let people think this is a dumpster fire," - Mike Pettine
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 13,810
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 13,810 |
Quote:
Mac Hillis was indeed injured, no if's ands or buts about it. The problem some of his team mates had with him had to do with his frustration, and immaturity, not with his health.
gm...so all that talk about Hillis playing around, having a football throwing contest with the Browns 3rd string QB, before the 49er game was just what?
Players that said that incident did not set well with them...you believe they were upset with his attitude?...come on GM, stop making excuses for Hillis' actions.
Hillis did the worst thing a player can do...he quit on his team and his teammates.
Hillis quit...can't win with players like that because you never know when they will quit again.
It's done...he's gone...end of story!
FOOTBALL IS NOT BASEBALL
Home of the Free, Because of the Brave...
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 30,825
Legend
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 30,825 |
Quote:
Quote:
Mac Hillis was indeed injured, no if's ands or buts about it. The problem some of his team mates had with him had to do with his frustration, and immaturity, not with his health.
gm...so all that talk about Hillis playing around, having a football throwing contest with the Browns 3rd string QB, before the 49er game was just what?
Players that said that incident did not set well with them...you believe they were upset with his attitude?...come on GM, stop making excuses for Hillis' actions.
Hillis did the worst thing a player can do...he quit on his team and his teammates.
Hillis quit...can't win with players like that because you never know when they will quit again.
It's done...he's gone...end of story!
Honest question here: Who cares?
Hillis is now a member of a different team. The why doesn't matter. At all.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 13,810
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 13,810 |
arch...did you read my very last sentence?
It's done...he's gone...end of story!
FOOTBALL IS NOT BASEBALL
Home of the Free, Because of the Brave...
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 998
All Pro
|
|
All Pro
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 998 |
mac.....you dont understand....
did you see what arch put.....? when he said end of story?.....
he was wasnt saying the end of the story...but bigger story....
...i think you need to reread what he post....its right there on the screen...
but when you read it.....you have to remember the relationship of the team...
...and the connections the browns have to chiefs...
and who hillis' friends are on the chiefs...
they will say he wasnt injured...because they like him regardless of injuries....
you just have to answer one question...
did the color of the sky have to do with hillis being release...
i know my answer, and its quite obvious..
but just answer the questions about hillis and the friends and the sky...
Wise words spoken by sages
From SkyTel to BlackBerry pagers
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 13,358
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Feb 2007
Posts: 13,358 |
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 27,306
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 27,306 |
Quote:
gm...so all that talk about Hillis playing around, having a football throwing contest with the Browns 3rd string QB, before the 49er game was just what?
Immaturity. I work with a lot of 25 to 30 years, and have worked with many others over the years. Do they always do what they should be doing.... hell no not all the time (and I'm talking about most of them not all of them. Does it make them bad people, screw up, idiots? Nope it makes them immature.
As fare as him quitting, nope didn't happen. He injured his leg AGAIN because he tried to come back to soon, once again a immature decision because he wanted to get back on the field before his body was ready to. That's not a sign of quitting Mac.
I AM ALWAYS RIGHT... except when I am wrong.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 13,205
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 13,205 |
Bottom line, the Browns are not a better team without Hillis than they are with him. We now need to trade assets or use a draft pick to replace him. That's beyond dumb; its compound-dumb.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 39,550
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 39,550 |
Quote:
Bottom line, the Browns are not a better team without Hillis than they are with him. We now need to trade assets or use a draft pick to replace him. That's beyond dumb; its compound-dumb.
Exactly. Adding a part only gets you back to where you were.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong ![[Linked Image]](http://www.dawgtalkers.net/uploads/small-gator-chomp.gif)
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 13,810
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 13,810 |
GM...I'm not going to make excuses for Hillis' actions...from the tone of the article about the intervention, it sounds like Hillis' teammate grew tired of his act too...(the phantom hammy)... why did the veterans hold the intervention meeting with Hillis 3 days after they saw him playing around?
Here is how the article above explained what Hillis was doing and how his teammates reacted to it...
"The latest annoyance came last Sunday in San Francisco. Hillis and quarterback Thaddeus Lewis were seen holding a contest during warmups to see who could throw footballs off the crossbar better. Hillis was inactive for the game with a hamstring injury.
“It was a bad look,” another player said, “and it did not sit well with any of us.”
........................................................................................
IMO...the worst thing any football player can do is quit on his team. Faking that your injured, for any reason, is just another form of quitting.
This front office has been consistant in their message to the Browns players...if for any reason you don't want to play for the Browns...you are out of here.
FOOTBALL IS NOT BASEBALL
Home of the Free, Because of the Brave...
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 2,263
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 2,263 |
Quote:
That's beyond dumb; its compound-dumb.
It sounds like neither one wanted the other. Don't know how you would consider this "dumb"? Were we supposed to give in to his every whim? Let him upset the other players and then give him a big contract for being a brat? Real good example don't ya think? 
Dawginit since Jan. 24, 2000 Member #180
You can't fix yesterday but you can learn for tomorrow
#GMSTRONG
I want to do it as a Cleveland Brown because that's who I am.”
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 30,825
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 30,825 |
For the love of God - he didn't fake he was injured OR sick.
He does not play for the Browns anymore. Can you drop it? Please? Can you?
No, you can't.
So I'll say it again - Hillis is NOT on the Cleveland Browns anymore. Did you hear that anywhere?
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 13,205
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 13,205 |
In real life, organizations have to deal with "high maintenance" individuals all the time. That goes for every business of every type. It goes even more so in the NFL where you are dealing with egos as big as Mount Everest. The teams that can do that - deal with oversized egos effectively - generally do better than teams that use a one-size-fits-all approach to all player personnel interaction, imo.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 2,263
Dawg Talker
|
|
Dawg Talker
Joined: Oct 2009
Posts: 2,263 |
I agree, to a certain extent. But I think in this case the FO felt like if they caved in to him with all the bla bla bla that went on during the season, They might have lost the Team first concept that they are trying to convey.
Dawginit since Jan. 24, 2000 Member #180
You can't fix yesterday but you can learn for tomorrow
#GMSTRONG
I want to do it as a Cleveland Brown because that's who I am.”
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,650
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,650 |
Ok
My take on this whole saga is as follows.
Hillis is a nice back, entertaining to watch, with questionable durability.
After flashing for the Browns he went for the big payday. Frankly it appears that his opinion of himself was far greater than the Browns or his numerous agents. Hence the drama, and ultimately him signing with another team for what appears to be reasonable market value. There was no way even if the Browns had a better offer on the table, that Hillis would have resigned with the Browns, the difference between the parties was too great, and neither could move, after Hillis penchant for drama became apparent.
We now may have a bit of insight as to why McDaniel made him part of the infamous ham sandwich trade.
Welcome back, Joe, we missed you!
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,643
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,643 |
Just an observation I made...
Lots of other Browns players were saying lots of good things about Adams last night on Twitter after he signed with the Broncos. I dont recall any of them saying anything about Hillis after he signed...
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 27,306
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 27,306 |
Well then Mac Hillis has a career in Vegas after he is done with football. He even faked his hammy injury on the MRI maybe he should change his name to Harri Houdini Hillis 
I AM ALWAYS RIGHT... except when I am wrong.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 13,810
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 13,810 |
Chiefs get Peyton Hillis on the cheap March 15, 2012 As usual, the initial reports regarding the value of the contract signed by running back Peyton Hillis in Kansas City was overstated. But given that the reports suggested a one-year, $3 million deal, it couldn’t have been overstated by much. Per a source with knowledge of the contracts, Hillis receives a fully-guaranteed base salary of $1.4 million, along with a $1 million fully-guaranteed roster bonus that comes due over the weekend. The only fluff comes from $400,000 in per-game roster bonuses. If he has, say, strep throat and can’t play in a given game, he won’t earn $25,000. And so it’s a base deal of $2.6 million, and it’s fully guaranteed. Which makes Hillis more likely to make it onto the final 53-man roster. It’s still a lot less than Hillis had hoped to be getting, and here’s a little more on the decline of his career, from Thursday’s PFT Live. web page Have to smile at this...
"If he has, say, strep throat and can’t play in a given game, he won’t earn $25,000."
Guess Florio might be a little skeptical of Hillis' stated illnesses too.
BTW...ARCH...you don't get to decide when I stop posting on any subject...ok !
FOOTBALL IS NOT BASEBALL
Home of the Free, Because of the Brave...
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 12,065
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 12,065 |
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 13,810
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 13,810 |
FOOTBALL IS NOT BASEBALL
Home of the Free, Because of the Brave...
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,447
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 6,447 |
Every now and then I catch a little news ( rumors ) out of Grozaland .. Vickers & Hillis / Vers Homie & Heck , Ego clashes !
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 10,199
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 10,199 |
Hunter + Dart = This is the way.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 816
All Pro
|
|
All Pro
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 816 |
Quote:
http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=7636587
i just cried a little.
Too bad we didn't see that kind of strength put to use on the field last year. Maybe we should have hitched him to a plow? Oh well, it's all history now. I really liked him as a Brown but those days are over.
"Let people think this is a dumpster fire," - Mike Pettine
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,643
Hall of Famer
|
|
Hall of Famer
Joined: Jan 2007
Posts: 3,643 |
Hillis tweeted this yesterday...right before I un-followed him.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 12,065
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Jan 2010
Posts: 12,065 |
Hey, at least he looks good in red...
Am I the only one that pronounces hyperbole "Hyper-bowl" instead of "hy-per-bo-le"?
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 27,306
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 27,306 |
Florio can be skeptical all he wants, it was the Browns who sent Hillis home from practice with the strep throat. I swear if some bozo in the press reported Hillis crapped out solid gold bars every time he went to the bathroom some of you guys would believe it
I AM ALWAYS RIGHT... except when I am wrong.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 13,882
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Oct 2006
Posts: 13,882 |
Quote:
Florio can be skeptical all he wants, it was the Browns who sent Hillis home from practice with the strep throat. I swear if some bozo in the press reported Hillis crapped out solid gold bars every time he went to the bathroom some of you guys would believe it
That could solve the financial crisis in this country....a gold bar every day. I wonder what his diet is. And think of all the savings in toilet paper too! 
![[Linked Image]](http://www.dawgtalkers.net/uploads/Punchsmack/punch.gif) “...Iguodala to Curry, back to Iguodala, up for the layup! Oh! Blocked by James! LeBron James with the rejection!”
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,857
Legend
|
|
Legend
Joined: Sep 2006
Posts: 42,857 |
Quote:
Well then Mac Hillis has a career in Vegas after he is done with football. He even faked his hammy injury on the MRI maybe he should change his name to Harri Houdini Hillis
This may sound like a dumb question, but is it even possible to fake a hammy injury?
#GMSTRONG
“Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”
Daniel Patrick Moynahan
"Alternative facts hurt us all. Think before you blindly believe."
Damanshot
|
|
|
DawgTalkers.net
Forums DawgTalk Pure Football Forum Hillis to Chiefs
|
|
