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But since there isn't going to be a top 10 talent QB available this draft, we are going to have to go with WR/RB/CB with the #4.
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I hope we are not done in Free Agency as I think the front office is waiting for the market to set itself on the high free agents then go after the next set or B free agents which could be a RT, RB and so forth. If we get a Benson or Tate, I hope we go Blackmon, if there but understand moving down to stockpile picks. I will say that this team needs to find play makers but I think that Hackert can find them better than past GMs did. I am going to say that he is on the clock with me and that he CAN NOT miss on getting a few playmakers this year as fans are not going to be as patient as past drafts. If he shows he can add players each year as I hope, I will put my faith in him as I am still on the fence with him as the GM to turn this team around. I like him better then others but DANGGONEIT I am getting tired of watching Browns games expecting them to find a way to lose it and surprised when they win.
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I would not get that excited over Blackmon ...... or anyone at this point.
However, since we let Hillis walk and evidently have no plans to replace him via trade or free agency ...... it would not surprise me to see Richardson as our pick.
But .... who the hell knows at this point.
Just because we need to add a RB doesn't mean we need to add the very best one in the draft. There are a number of pretty decent RBs that will be available later.
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The more I think about it the more I'm okay with drafting Richardson. He might be the most talented player in the draft. And if he is he will help out our quarterback just as much as a wide receiver would.
I have been on the against drafting Richardson all along, but if he is a Adrian Peterson type player I can't complain. Not only that, but he'd be able to give us immediate help, while a wide receiver might take a couple of seasons to develop.
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The reason I want Richardson is that McCoy will never reach even what I consider to be his limited potential unless he has a strong running game. McCoy does a decent job off of play action, and likes to throw to the RB, so it seems like a natural fit to me.
Under almost any other circumstances I would go CB way before WR or RB .... and WR before RB. (assuming comparable type players) However, this is not a normal year.
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The reason I want Richardson is that McCoy will never reach even what I consider to be his limited potential unless he has a strong running game.
Heckert on McCoy: “We do think Colt has a big ceiling. Obviously it’s my job to get him better players surrounding him.”
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Obviously I disagree with him regarding McCoy.
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Obviously I disagree with him regarding McCoy.
Really? Why?
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"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
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For those who are hoping for a certain QB named Tannehill at 4, I wouldn't count on it, if what Holmgren said is correct about them wanting "starters" at 4 and 22.
I don't think that anyone would stretch and say that he could be a starter right off the bat, or probably even in year 1.
To me that would seem to indicate that they aren't as interested in a project QB as some hope.
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Good choice. I've been on the TR bandwagon for awhile now. It just seems logical to me if you want quick upgrades on the O, then RB is the way to go. He can run or split out wide, he'll touch the ball far more than a WR will, also with a chance to score from anywhere. When's the last time we could say that about anyone?
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I do agree with that. You also heard it in the PC today. He said improving to 6-10 isn't good enough. I think Homie knows another dismal season puts a end to his run, or at minimum puts a tight rope around his neck. I think everybody associated with the team understand how miserable the mood is at the stadium on game days. People who make games know exactly what I am talking about. In many cases the crowd is disinterested by the middle of the 2nd qtr. They come back after the half talking about giving it a series or two to see what happens before they head home to beat the crowd. The funny thing is if you stay to the end, you beat the crowd. 
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Tannehill needs experience under center. You don't get that sitting on the bench. I bring him in and let him compete with Colt. He will already have a working knowledge of this offense.
Surround Colt with elite talent and you get what you had with the Colt's last year. I like the guy, I wanted him to succeed but 1 or 2 drives a game just doesnt cut it. This scheme is built upon hitting guys in stride and the only guys colt can hit are on dump downs to stationary targets.
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The funny thing is if you stay to the end, you beat the crowd.
It would be funny if it wasn't so true.
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Peen I agree with you and I think that is why there is no way we pick Claiborne.. We have to have an offensive playmaker... I don't want the GM to draft based on what the fans want but the FO has to know that the only way they can survive another non-playoff contending season is if we are losing games but at least scoring some points and making it interesting.. Scoring 13 points and trying to win by attrition isn't just losing, it's losing in a way that is painful to watch.
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I believe our plan is to go after Blackmon with the 1st pick. If Tannehill is still around with our second first rounder pick we'll pick him as well. If not, we may go defense or take a gamble on Weeden. If Weeden fall to the second and we didn't get Tannehill we'll be going with Weeden.
I'd like us to have tank carder involved in our plans as well.
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I don't think anyone should be too surprised if we go with Richardson at 4.
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I don't think anyone should be too surprised if we go with Richardson at 4.
I really wouldn't, and I don't want to hear the crap about it being too early to take a RB. I mean it's not like taking a punter or a kicker. I'll bet more than half of the people who say it's too early for a RB are just echoing what they heard someone else say anyway.
It wouldn't bother me at all to take either Richardson or Blacmon at 4.
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I don't think anyone should be too surprised if we go with Richardson at 4.
I really wouldn't, and I don't want to hear the crap about it being too early to take a RB. I mean it's not like taking a punter or a kicker. I'll bet more than half of the people who say it's too early for a RB are just echoing what they heard someone else say anyway.
It wouldn't bother me at all to take either Richardson or Blacmon at 4.
Agree. Guy would change the dynamics of our O right off the bat. Big time contributor right from the get go.
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I was firmly against Richardson at 4 and still not real keen on it.. I just think Blackmon at 4 and the 2nd or 3rd best RB at 22 is better than Richardson at 4 and the 3rd or 4th best WR at 22... and we need both.
Disclaimer: This is assuming we are not making any serious play for Tannehill...
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I was firmly against Richardson at 4 and still not real keen on it.. I just think Blackmon at 4 and the 2nd or 3rd best RB at 22 is better than Richardson at 4 and the 3rd or 4th best WR at 22... and we need both.
Disclaimer: This is assuming we are not making any serious play for Tannehill...
Don't get me wrong, I've preferred Blacmon since our season ended. If we could somehow snag Blackmon at 4 and then trade up for Richardson from the 22, I'd be ecstatic. Suddenly our offense has playmakers.
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I couldn't complain TOO much if we took Richardson, but I honestly don't want him at #4. I completely second your vote that I'd rather have Blackmon at 4 and the 2nd or 3rd RB at 22. Of course, I'd rather trade down to 6 or 8, get another WR (that kid from Notre Dame, maybe?), then a OLB that can cover and hit... and then take a RB if we feel we need one at 37. 
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If we are able to somehow land both Blackmon AND Richardson (which I have 0.00000004% confidence in), there would be a lot of unhappy people in my neighborhood as I would strip naked and run down the street with glee.
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I was firmly against Richardson at 4 and still not real keen on it.. I just think Blackmon at 4 and the 2nd or 3rd best RB at 22 is better than Richardson at 4 and the 3rd or 4th best WR at 22... and we need both.
Disclaimer: This is assuming we are not making any serious play for Tannehill...
after seeing what WRs are running in FA, I think we really should be drafting ours. Blackmon @$4mil/year could be a big bargain.
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Of course, I'd rather trade down to 6 or 8,
It is hard for me to imagine that not happening...at least the trade down part. Somebody is going to be in love with Blackmon or Richardson and will make a offer....the thing is it might be further back then 6 or 8, Teams near the mid range or bottom know Heckert is willing to deal as illustrated last year.
We are going the hear " Cleveland is on the clock"...and a bit later we will hear "We have a trade, so and so is on the clock"
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If we are able to somehow land both Blackmon AND Richardson (which I have 0.00000004% confidence in), there would be a lot of unhappy people in my neighborhood as I would strip naked and run down the street with glee.
That would DEFINITELY be a very bad thing.... but our offense would be greatly improved. Getting a solid RT (if we don't already have one mysteriously hiding on our roster) would kinda complete the picture.
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If we dont take one theyll both be gone at 5 and 6.
To fanagle a trade with Tampa or STL. would require at least next years one and some added goodies but you then have Blackmon and Richardson for two years worth of ones. I think I'd do it.
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If we dont take one theyll both be gone at 5 and 6.
To fanagle a trade with Tampa or STL. would require at least next years one and some added goodies but you then have Blackmon and Richardson for two years worth of ones. I think I'd do it.
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Ok, fine, we'll give up Oniel Cousins. Yeesh! You drive a hard bargain.
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I don't see any way in the world we could land both Blackmon and Richardson without sending our second 1st rounder and probably a 3rd rounder at minimum. I doubt Richardson gets past the Rams at #6.
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Tampa at 5, Blackmon at 6 is my guess. Unlikely we could do it, very nice to think about!
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The talking head seem to doubt he'd fall any further than the Jets, and if he did, the Bengals would surely take him. But they're, you know, just talking heads . . .
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If we could somehow snag Blackmon at 4 and then trade up for Richardson from the 22, I'd be ecstatic. Suddenly our offense has playmakers.
Yes we do but we have also fired every bullet in our gun that we might need to move up to take one of the top QBs next year.. So if we do that, you better sing some chants, slaughter a chicken or whatever it takes to get Colt McCoy to improve quickly.
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Yes we do but we have also fired every bullet in our gun that we might need to move up to take one of the top QBs next year.. So if we do that, you better sing some chants, slaughter a chicken or whatever it takes to get Colt McCoy to improve quickly.
I knew there'd be a catch!!!! 
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Manning, were is Payton going.. Teneessee
Hasselbeck to Cleveland
Draft #4 Richardson
# 22 WR
2nd round RT
3rd round LB / DE
or trade down from # 4 and hope to get richardson later along with still our WR at # 22 no need to mess around drafting Tannyhill. Get players we can put on the field and play this year, Players that can help this offence from day # 1 .
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I think I'd be alright surrendering our second 1st, a 3rd, and maybe something else to get both of these guys. We give McCoy two more viable weapons and see how he does.
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Manning, were is Payton going.. Teneessee
Hasselbeck to Cleveland
Draft #4 Richardson
# 22 WR
2nd round RT
3rd round LB / DE
or trade down from # 4 and hope to get richardson later along with still our WR at # 22 no need to mess around drafting Tannyhill. Get players we can put on the field and play this year, Players that can help this offence from day # 1 .
We see eye to eye I think. Hasselback coming here as a FA. Colt backing him up with Thadeus Lewis (i think that's his name)
I'm just torn between 4) Blackmon or Richardson . Both would be great additions to our team. If we select Richardson, I think we'll look at the 22 pick for either Cordy Glenn or someone like Kendall Wright/Malcom Floyd. And with our 2nd round pick, a RT or WR to replace those guys.
That's three offensive players in the first two rounds and would be a huge upgrade to our offense. Hasselback would bring a proven veteran to the team and someone that Colt could backup/learn the WCO from.
Makes tons of sense to me
So, I guess we just dissagree about the 4 pick. I think it could very well be Blackmon. And the 22 will be a WR or RT I'm thinking. With the 2nd rounder rounding those out. But I don't think our high 2nd round pick will be used for a RB if we fufill WR and RT early in the draft. May be we'll trade up into the 2nd for Doug Martin, but otherwise I'd like to just get the BPA period. Doesn't really matter what position.
May be a CB, DE, TE, or even another WR.
Getting a WR who can spread the field and make plays down the field would be great, and I think Blackmon can fill that role. I don't think he's Calvin Johnson or AJ Green. But I do think he'll still be a top-notch number 1 receiver. We could use that. I remember Phil Savage saying once that while Braylon might not get as many passes, defenses have to always account for him and that's why WR's are an okay position to draft high. Makes sense to me.
And with someone like Hasselback throwing to him, Blackmon could be money. Greg Little would be a lot better this year too.
And Trent Richardson is the best player in this draft not named Andrew Luck IMO. That's always a great thing to have on your team, especially since Hillis is gone for good
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http://www.nfl.com/draft/2012/mock-draftsThey currently have 3 mocks up. To show we aren't the only ones debating the same exact players, bucky Brooks has us going Richardson, Chad Reuter has Tannehill and Michael Lombardi has Justin Blackmon (Which officially ensures that we will not be drafting Blackmon) lol.
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I don't think anyone should be too surprised if we go with Richardson at 4.
I really wouldn't, and I don't want to hear the crap about it being too early to take a RB. I mean it's not like taking a punter or a kicker. I'll bet more than half of the people who say it's too early for a RB are just echoing what they heard someone else say anyway.
It wouldn't bother me at all to take either Richardson or Blacmon at 4.
Don't put someone else's words in my mouth ... This is a passing League today and if you think you can play catch up by running the ball and controlling the clock, then your dead wrong.
I didn't make the changes that brought this about and I don't necessarily like some of the changes, but that doesn't change the facts as they are today.
You can go on with your eyes closed shut to the truth, but don't pretend to try and tell me what I know is not the truth.
Without a passing game (threat) this offense will continue to suck. I don't care if Jim Brown is born again and playing for us.
Defenses we face will continue to take away our running attack until we show them that they have to defend the pass too.
That's elementary.
This League today is setup for scoring points and if the best you have to offer is a RB, then your sunk trying to play catch up with that as your strength.
Good luck! With that.
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