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We see eye to eye I think. Hasselback coming here as a FA. Colt backing him up with Thadeus Lewis (i think that's his name)
I don't believe that we're at all in play for a veteran QB. I believe we're looking for a future starter which would make McCoy the veteran signal-caller.
Hasselbeck would give us legitimacy at the position, but he'd do nothing for the future of the team, and we are CLEARLY not thinking about the present.
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Don't put someone else's words in my mouth ... This is a passing League today and if you think you can play catch up by running the ball and controlling the clock, then your dead wrong.
I didn't make the changes that brought this about and I don't necessarily like some of the changes, but that doesn't change the facts as they are today.
You can go on with your eyes closed shut to the truth, but don't pretend to try and tell me what I know is not the truth.
Without a passing game (threat) this offense will continue to suck. I don't care if Jim Brown is born again and playing for us.
Defenses we face will continue to take away our running attack until we show them that they have to defend the pass too.
That's elementary.
This League today is setup for scoring points and if the best you have to offer is a RB, then your sunk trying to play catch up with that as your strength.
Good luck! With that.
Not sure why you're flipping out on me. I said, "the people" who feel that way. I didn't say "FL_Dawg". I didn't put anyone's words in your mouth. It applies to anyone who thinks it applies to them, and it's my opinion. I wasn't calling you out. I never said it wasn't a passing league, but you need to run, too. My eyes are open, and if you want a pat on the back for knowing the "truth" you got it. Richardson can be the back who carries the load AND be a part of the passing game.
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You have to ask yourself, is it a bigger drop off froÜ Trent to the next two rbs, or from Blackmon to the next couple wrs? Will Floyd make it to 22? 22 too early for 2nd or 3rd rb?
Our first two picks should be wr and rb in either order. So figure out my first question and go from there.
My dream would be trade to six let them take Blackmon. Hope tb goes clairborn. Take Richardson. Use what we got from st Louis to trade up for Floyd? Then rt cb and the hundred other holes!
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I would rather take Jeffery and Sanu in the 2nd than Floyd and Blackmon in the first. I believe there is minimal drop off. If Blackmon and Jeffery traded Qbs, well blackmon would be in jail for assault and Jeffery would be heading to the Vikings lol. Hell i think Jeffery and Sanu are going to be better pro's than Floyd.
Richardson and Tannehill will decide their own fate at their workouts. We will probably have them both in as well once they are able to compete. Tannehill's workout is the 28th, I forget when Richardson is having his.
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I had written the 29th, but it looks like the 27th.
As an FYI, here's what various mocks have us taking:
Kiper: Blackmon
McShay: Richardson
WalterFootball: Claiborne
CBSsportsline: (Rang): Richardson (Brugler): Claiborne
NFLdraftcountdown: Richardson
AOLSportingnews: Tannehill (NOOOOOOOO!!!)
Footballsfuture: Blackmon
Draftek: Richardson
NewNFLdraft (who?): Claiborne
There you have it. It's unanimous. 
Seriously, if these people invest to have these sites up, yet still haven't updated them to reflect that the Redskins now own the 2nd pick, what's the point of wasting the money?
My choice is Richardson unless we trade down.
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A bunch of you boys are saying they should pick Richardson at #4. He is definitely a talent that we could use.
But I just don't see the Browns picking an RB that high. At 22, maybe, but in a Draft where teams apparently will trade all their picks plus sell a kidney to move up, who knows.
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I think we should draft Richardson at 4, but I agree with you we probably won't.
Heckert has been honest with us thus far and he does not list RB as a position he feels you need to draft early. I don't see him going away from his philosophy.
I think it's unfortunate personally, and I like Heckert. Richardson would make this offense 10x better day 1.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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If we stay at #4, I'll be fine with Claiborne, Blackmon or Richardson. I think any of them instantly make our team better. I'll trust the people paid to make that decision will make the best one they can.
If we move down, more picks sounds nice too.
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RB and receiver are the 2 positions in this year's draft that is just flat out loaded. This is why I really do not get all the crazy contracts being handed out to average at best players.
Trent Richardson, Doug Martin, Lamar Miller, Isaiah Pead, David Wilson, LaMichael James, Chris Polk and Robert Turbin all have the talent to be terrific at the next level. Polk and Pead I see in more of 1 cut zone read system but the rest could come in and be our guy for the next 8 years.
Receivers list is even longer so not gonna bother. Hell we will probably have 14 or 15 receivers going in the first 3 rounds.
I would go Claiborne or Tannehill. Just not big on the value of receiver and RB at 4. I wont complain about Richardson but Turbin or James in 3 would make me happier than Richardson at 4.
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If we stay at #4, I'll be fine with Claiborne, Blackmon or Richardson. I think any of them instantly make our team better. I'll trust the people paid to make that decision will make the best one they can.
If we move down, more picks sounds nice too.
I agree with this although, I have a caveat to add. If we move down, we have to get a first next year in the deal, no matter how far down we move. For better or worse, the RG3 trade has set a value on the selections at the top of the draft. The Browns still hold the #4 overall selection.
The only instance where I MIGHT say that we won't demand a 1st next year is if we trade down one spot with Tampa. Even then, I'm hard pressed not to demand their #1 next year.
For that matter, if we move down a great deal, it would take multiple first rounders or multiple first rounders this season (New England, I eliminate Cincy since they are in the division) plus additional picks.
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My wish list is
Claiborne
Trade down
Richardson/Blackmon
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RB and receiver are the 2 positions in this year's draft that is just flat out loaded. This is why I really do not get all the crazy contracts being handed out to average at best players.
Trent Richardson, Doug Martin, Lamar Miller, Isaiah Pead, David Wilson, LaMichael James, Chris Polk and Robert Turbin all have the talent to be terrific at the next level. Polk and Pead I see in more of 1 cut zone read system but the rest could come in and be our guy for the next 8 years.
Receivers list is even longer so not gonna bother. Hell we will probably have 14 or 15 receivers going in the first 3 rounds.
I would go Claiborne or Tannehill. Just not big on the value of receiver and RB at 4. I wont complain about Richardson but Turbin or James in 3 would make me happier than Richardson at 4.
I get the idea that Tannehill isn't even on the radar at #4. And while I agree with you about the WR and RB positions, I see either Blackmon or Richardson as more likely at #4 than Tannehill.
I'm not even sure that Tannehill would be targeted if the Browns fell back to 8 (Miami) or 12 (Seattle) and either of those teams didn't take him in the trade and he was available at that team's original slot.
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I used to be okay with those three but now I have removed Claiborne from that list. Not that he doesn't belong there but I see no way on God's green Earth that we don't address the offensive side of the ball in terms of weapons with our first two or three picks. If I am looking for immediate impact players which our Offense desperately needs I don't see any way a QB can be drafted with any of those picks either. Holmgren has stated that there is no excuse this year and putting a rookie QB in there is a built in excuse in itself. Thus a talent infusion is needed to help our current QB and offense be as potent as can be and if need be our future QB weapons to grow with and lean on so he doesn't have to carry the team.
CB is deep in this draft and I like Tannehill and Weedman but I see no way the front office can sell that to this fan base. I think half the fans were okay with going with McCoy this year with the thought of putting weapons around him and shoring up the right side of the Oline. The other half of fans wanted Griffin, Flynn or other(Campbell, Orton, etc.) I think that at least half of those that wanted Griffin have now resided to the fact that McCoy would be the next best thing and considering Flynn and Alex Smith are the only QB's out there worth a darn and many are skeptical about Flynn to begin with. I do however think Wallace needs to be moved. I see a locker room cancer waiting to happen. How can you keep a guy that admitted he is not a team player. I can't see them drafting a QB with our first three picks. There is no way around the fact that we will have to go WR, RB, RT in some order. That is not to say that we won't be trading for someone.
I would love to have Richardson but I don't think there is any way you can pass on Blackmon at 4. He is the best pure Receiver in this draft at our most needed position. We need guys that can catch the ball and get yards after the catch and after seeing what the price of mediocre Free agent receivers has been I think it is a no brainer.
I know Houston doesn't want to give up Tate and word is that they wanted a high pick. I would take Tate over any of the RB after Richardson in this drat. If we could get away with giving up our 36 that would be great, but would offer the 22 for him if it came to that. If not maybe Dallas would be willing to part with Jones or Murray, but wouldn't count on it. What would it take to move back up and get Richardson? The 22 and a 2nd or 3rd? I would do that too if at all possible also.
The biggest splash and shot in the arm this fan base can get would be to land two of the top 6 players in this draft at positions of dire need. I say go all in on those two guys. Richardson would essentially be our second rounder and we would still get three players in three rounds. I think any combination of those guys is greater value than Blackmon/Glenn/Wilson. We can than package our 4's to move up into round three if needed. This is the type of draft to offer some hope and excitement to a fan base that can use it.
1.)Blackmon
2.)Richardson (giving up the 22&68)
3.)Massie
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2.)Richardson (giving up the 22&36)
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There is so much depth at the WR and RB positions that we wouldn't have to make any trades to acquire a talent that would help the team dramatically.
I could see a trade back, possibly multiple trades back (even within the first round) acquiring additional picks both this year and next, and drafting high quality players at the acquired picks.
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1a. Tannehill - competes with Colt until he is ready to take over.
1b. Cordy Glenn- right tackle solved
2. Alshon Jeffery- Wide receiver solved
3. Robert Turbin- RB solved
Just wanted to add that if Glenn is gone, we could see a Stephen Hill/Kenny Wright taken at 22 and working some picks and get RB and Swartz with our next 2 picks.
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Hey I'd love to have both Richardson and Blackmon too. But it's gonna cost us more than our 22 and our second to move up to get Richardson. Imagine if WE dropped from top ten to 22 for a second! This board would freak!
Only way for both is if tb gives us a 2nd to trade up one for clairborn. Use that plus our 22nd and another pick to trade up for Richardson. Of course take blackmon with 5
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1a. Tannehill - competes with Colt until he is ready to take over.
1b. Cordy Glenn- right tackle solved
2. Alshon Jeffery- Wide receiver solved
3. Robert Turbin- RB solved
Just wanted to add that if Glenn is gone, we could see a Stephen Hill/Kenny Wright taken at 22 and working some picks and get RB and Swartz with our next 2 picks.
You can forget about Tannehill at the #4 spot. I don't even think you could consider him at any position in the first round if we traded back.
Cordy Glenn might be available at #22 but there will be better players to be had at that spot that will help the team more.
Alshon Jeffery at #37 is a reach. His attitude is causing his 'stock' to take a hit. He's going to have to outshine players ahead of him and those below him that will be looking to improve their stock and some of them will.
I like Turbin and he could be a very nice pick at #68 although he's rated by some ranking systems to be well behind some other players at the position. I actually like this pick the best out of the ones you suggest. If the Browns acquired an additional 3rd rounder this year, I'd look to see if he could be gotten at the later 3rd rounder.
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1a. Tannehill - competes with Colt until he is ready to take over.
1b. Cordy Glenn- right tackle solved
2. Alshon Jeffery- Wide receiver solved
3. Robert Turbin- RB solved
Just wanted to add that if Glenn is gone, we could see a Stephen Hill/Kenny Wright taken at 22 and working some picks and get RB and Swartz with our next 2 picks.
Not horrible. But the 3 rd best player at each position with our first four picks?
One of them has to be the best at their position. Richardson or Blackmon. Seriously, the third best Qb at 4? A project at that. That's what people mean when saying don't draft by need. Not so much on Richardson or Blackmon.
We draft enough 3rd best at their position. If your at 4 you can't walk away without the best at his position. Unless its for your first next year!
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Its not where you draft it is who you draft. If where you drafted was all that important the Browns would be perennial champs. Draft the right guy for your system and the rest will take care of itself.
Is there a single player on that Steeler team was considered the best player at that position when drafted? How about with the pats?
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Is there a single player on that Steeler team was considered the best player at that position when drafted? How about with the pats?
The pats drafted a kicker from Memphis, Gostowski He was the best at his position and a lot of people here wanted him
The Steelers with Pouncey
When the Steelers drafted Heath Miller, he was the best at his position too! Jerod Mayo with the Pats, best LB I think (unless Aaron Curry went in that draft)
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Well the pats and steelers are not gonna get the best at their position when picking that late in draft, or our 22 either. Unless a center te etc.
When I say best at position, I mean per draft ranking. That's doesn't mean they will be the best in the long run thats for sure.
It would just be nice to have that stud player for once. Not the 3rd best in class.
That's just my opinion though. Some may not agree. But man tanny at 4? Have some people freaked out so bad over rg what's his face they think it's the end of the world! Third best Qb (just cause he's not 40 something like weeden) at the fourth pick?!?! If that's not reaching for need I don't what would be.
Tanny at four! Someone can have my psls! Done. I've never said that ever. No matter how bad it is. My buddy gets mad and says it every year. But tanny at 4! I'd beat him to it!
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I do understand what you are saying but QB trumps all else. I believe in the kid so I dont have a problem taking him that high. He has such a high ceiling with all the tools and being from a similar offense scheme.
Colt's high ceiling right now looks like Alex Smith. That is surround him with all the talent in the world and at the very best a no impact game manager is what you can hope for.
I get my Starter and surround him with talent. Now to be that starter, he will have to go out and take the job from Colt.
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Hey I'd love to have both Richardson and Blackmon too. But it's gonna cost us more than our 22 and our second to move up to get Richardson. Imagine if WE dropped from top ten to 22 for a second! This board would freak!
Only way for both is if tb gives us a 2nd to trade up one for clairborn. Use that plus our 22nd and another pick to trade up for Richardson. Of course take blackmon with 5
If Richardson makes it past Tampa, he could be in for a fall.
6 STL: Nope
7 JAX: Nope
8 MIA: Possibility, but with Marshall gone I think a WR is more likely, could use a RT, might draft Tannehill if they don't get Flynn.
9 CAR: No chance
10 BUF: Nope
11 KC: Charles and Hillis? They have other needs
12 SEA: Beast Mode
13 AZ: Possibility, but certainly not a sure thing. More likely Ingram or Upshaw to give some pass rush
14 DAL: Nope
15 PHI: Doubtful
16 NYJ: Strong possibility here
17 CIN: Definitely a possible landing spot, but I don't think Cincy will go for him at 17. They need 2 OGs and SD needs OL all over the place and pick next. I think they take Glenn or DeCastro here.
18 SD: See above. OL or pass rush are the only avenues for SD.
19 CHI: Nope
20 TEN: Possible, but everyone and their mother has TEN going DL.
21 CIN: Would definitely go here if still available.
Basically, IMO if Richardson isn't TB's or NYJ's target, we are in a great position to get him trading up to TEN's 20 spot. My guess is we could probably move up for a 4th, maybe ATL's. (Remember Mangini moving from 17-19, then19-21 for a 6th each time?) Maybe TEN doesn't want to risk losing out on their guy as CIN needs some DL help as well losing Rucker and Fanene, but I don't think trading up for Richardson there is outlandish.
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I get my Starter and surround him with talent. Now to be that starter, he will have to go out and take the job from Colt.
Which is why, at least in our situation, this guy isn't worth our #4 pick. We need someone with that pick to walk in first day as a starter. He's not. I don't want to see us draft someone in that position to sit until the next season or until our current season is a lost cause. We need someone with that pick to make an immediate impact.
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Bengals seem to be set on free agent running backs, I think they land bush then get Pead in the 2nd. They focus on interior OL and secondary with their 2 firsts. Decastro with their 1st pick and CB with their 2nd.
Between 4 and 22, I really see a heavy push on Defense with DE, DT and CB, might even have a Zach Brown and Kuechly thrown in. Good draft for us to go offense.
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Think of what happens to Tannehill in this scenerio. Matt Flynn to Miami, Manning goes to the 49ers, Alex Smith goes to Seattle. All of which are looking very likely at this moment in time.
He is there at 22, easily. It also opens a lot of options for teams wanting to give their new QB a shiny target. Trade down and work some magic to really load up.
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Mourg why are u so high on Tannehill???? I really dont get it
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327/530 61%- against the very weak Big 12
3744 yds 7.1/att
29 TD's 15 int's --- not very good at all 1int/game, again against the very weak Big12 defenses
40 attempts/game and only 288yds/game
At TT he threw 40times a game which would balloon his overall production numbers, but he still only averaged 288/game. Seems like more of product of the system rather then overall ability. And looking at his percentages not very accurate.
And he was only 5-7, which tells me he doesn't know how to win yet.
i really have no idea why this kid is being hyped up... OH yeah Keiper and Mcshay love combine numbers. There's no denying he is one hell of an athlete.
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I believe it was the texas tech game (going on memory) that fully illustrates why stats do not always tell the story. I believe Tannehill had 4 passes in the entire game that did not hit the receiver in the hands. Yet by the end of the game his completion percentage was right around 60%.
Now the reason I am so high on Tannehill is because I see all the parts to make a great QB. With the right coaching this kid is going to be a star in this league. It is why I have no problem taking him at 4.
Take the kid and have him ready to become the man when this team is ready to become legitimate. Next year with the right lucky breaks we could be a playoff team but we wouldnt be a true contender. Team has a year to grow, Tannehill has a year to get it together and I see a successful marriage between the two. Then who knows we just might be ready to contend.
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Mour, what are you going to do when we don't pick Tannehill at 4?
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Hope he falls to 22. Geezz what a dumb question lol There are 4 QBs in next years class that I like but I would rather have a guy in here now absorbing the system. I wont complain if we take Richardson or Claiborne, not as big of a Blackmon fan. I just dont want to see a stupid move like taking Coples or Reiff. Reiff at 22 no problem with.
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The way I feel today...I'd take Blackmon/Weeden..there..don't care how anyone feels..I'm annoyed at this point.Then I'd get my RT and then Chris Polk for RB..THEN go all D..
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Weeden looked so bad at the senior bowl, I would not take a chance on him. Afraid by the time he learns a pro system he will be 40.
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Colt's high ceiling right now looks like Alex Smith. That is surround him with all the talent in the world and at the very best a no impact game manager is what you can hope for.
I think the words 'no impact game manager' is a contradiction of terms. A game manager is what you want when you have the lead in the 4th quarter. A QB that can make sure that you hold a lead or who manages the time well giving you a chance to win close games are the kind of QB that you want.
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I get my Starter and surround him with talent. Now to be that starter, he will have to go out and take the job from Colt.
We already have the starter (Colt McCoy) without talent around him. It remains to be seen if Shurmur can call the correct plays worth a damn and if he isn't going to allow Colt to audible, it should be Shurmur with his head on the line. I realize that would probably mean that McCoy's head would be on the line also, but it shouldn't be laid at his shoulders when the HC has proven less than the QB has.
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You are right it is an insult to the game managers to call Colt a game manager at this point. Lets just call him the 1 drive demon. BTW it does not matter what play is called if your QB goes to checkdown after his first read.
The guy just can't read a defense. Hell he can't even read his own offense.
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You are right it is an insult to the game managers to call Colt a game manager at this point. Lets just call him the 1 drive demon. BTW it does not matter what play is called if your QB goes to checkdown after his first read.
Firstly, I think you're overstating things with the 'checkdown after his first read' comment. And if there is a blitz in his face every down (which happened multiple times last year) and there was no time to go through a progression, then I have no problems with him going to the checkdown. I would say this if it was any QB wearing a Browns uniform.
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The guy just can't read a defense. Hell he can't even read his own offense.
Again, just more bullcrap to make yourself sound like a smarter-than-the-Browns-QB kind of guy. I don't think there is anyone (even you and other Colt haters) that would say that the talent surrounding him on offense is even remotely worthy of seeing an NFL field other than buying a ticket like everyone else.
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I would point out that QBs who show that they cannot handle the blitz will face far more blitzes than those who prove they can.
Bernie Kosar thrived off teams blitzing him.
Micah 6:8; He has shown you, O mortal, what is good. And what does the Lord require of you? To act justly and to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.
John 14:19 Jesus said: Because I live, you also will live.
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j/c Rams | Mario Manningham arrives at facility Fri, 16 Mar 2012 16:33:38 -0700 Free-agent WR Mario Manningham (Giants) arrived at the Rams Park facility Friday, March 16, for a visit. www.KFFL.comNow, if they're trying to sign Manningham and they were willing to drop to no. 6, does that signify that maybe they aren't looking at Blackmon? I've had them pegged as going for him from the beginning, but maybe not? If not, who would they go for? Reiff? If that's so, who's next in line to get Blackmon? The draft order after us is: Tampa Bay (4-12) St. Louis - from Washington (5-11) Jacksonville (5-11) Miami (6-10) Carolina (6-10) Buffalo (6-10) Kansas City (7-9) Seattle (7-9) Arizona (8-8) Dallas (8-8) Philadelphia (8-8) New York Jets (8-8) Cincinnati - from Oakland (8-8) San Diego (8-8) Chicago (8-8) Tennessee (9-7) Cincinnati* (9-7) Cleveland - from Atlanta* (10-6) Detroit* (10-6) Pittsburgh* (12-4) Denver* (8-8) Houston* (10-6) New England - from New Orleans* (13-3) Green Bay* (15-1) Baltimore* (12-4) San Francisco* (13-3) New England* (13-3) New York Giants* (9-7)
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Why not Manningham and Blackmon? Be a nice set of weapons for Bradford. Couple that with Jackson at RB and on paper that's a pretty good offense.
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Defense has majorly overloaded to the right Colt looks right at them. The hot read is the quick slant to cribbs with the defender playing 10 yards off. Cribbs runs the quick slant got his arms up ready for the ball with noone on him. What does Colt do? The quickest checkdown you will ever see to the RB right in the middle of all those defenders.
Thats what I am talking about when I say the kid can not read a defense. He did this stuff all year. People can blame the OL, they can blame the receivers, they can blame the backs and they can blame the coaches but it doesnt change the fact that the kid was Mr. Magoo back there.
Look Colt is a terrific kid and everyone wants him to succeed but he will be lucky to be a backup in this league another year from now, unless he takes tremendous strides.
We were willing to trade away 3 firsts just to replace the kid. Remember Holmgren said surround the starter with talent when he could just have easily had said, we have to surround Colt with Talent.
This regime doesn't want to throw anyone under the bus but folks the writing is on the wall. They said they wanted Hillis back but... They said they wanted to resign Adams but.... They said they would like to work something out with Steiny but.... They said they havent lost confidence in Colt but...
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Yeah, I guess so. I was just thinking that if they sign Manningham, I imagine it'll be at no. 1 WR money. Then, they're going to spend their first pick on a guy to essentially be their no. 2 WR?
I think if we take Blackmon, it's with the intent of him being our no. 1 (whether you think he can be that or not is beside the point).
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