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I don't think Manningham will get Garçon money. I think he'll get #2 money. I think if they were counting on him as a big signingit'd have happened earlier. If they aren't interested, I think JAX has to be regardless of the Laurent Robinson signing. Miami just traded away Brandon Marshall. I'd say Blackmon could go 3-8.
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A few years ago there would be a smaller possibility of the rams doing this. However, with the rookie wage slotting now they won't have to worry as much about the final number needed for Blackmon. If the Browns had Blackmon and Manningham I think I'd be pretty happy - especially with Little and Norwood. Just a pipe dream of course....
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Yeah, you're probably right. Lord knows I salivate over the idea of Blackmon on one side and Little on the other.
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the way everyone gets what they want.
1a. WR Blackmon
1b. QB Tannehill
2. OLB Lavonte David
3. OT Mitchell Swartz
Use both 4ths and a 5th to get into the 3rd and grab RB LaMichael James
wanted to change that to james cause I think he is more Heckerts guy
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Unless the Browns pickup a RB between now and the Draft I am 100% sure the Browns are drafting Richardson and I am completely okay with that.
1a) Richardson
1b) Floyd/Hill/Wright whichever WR is higher ranked
2) Tannehil/Weeden
3) Right Tackle
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1a. QB Andrew Luck
1b. QB RG3
2. QB Tannehill
3. Traded to Packers for QB Matt Flynn
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Unless the Browns pickup a RB between now and the Draft I am 100% sure the Browns are drafting Richardson and I am completely okay with that.
1a) Richardson
1b) Floyd/Hill/Wright whichever WR is higher ranked
2) Tannehil/Weeden
3) Right Tackle
That would work for me.
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I would really love Jeffery or Sanu in the 2nd. Sanu reminds me of Jerry Rice. Everyone seems to have forgotten just how good Jeffery can be.
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I would really love Jeffery or Sanu in the 2nd. Sanu reminds me of Jerry Rice. Everyone seems to have forgotten just how good Jeffery can be.
I'm not sure anyone's forgotten about how good he can be. I just think that no one's forgotten about how he can close down a Golden Corral.
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I would really love Jeffery or Sanu in the 2nd. Sanu reminds me of Jerry Rice. Everyone seems to have forgotten just how good Jeffery can be.
I'm not sure anyone's forgotten about how good he can be. I just think that no one's forgotten about how he can close down a Golden Corral.
LOL....that was a good one 
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I would point out that QBs who show that they cannot handle the blitz will face far more blitzes than those who prove they can.
As will those who have no running game.
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I get my Starter and surround him with talent. Now to be that starter, he will have to go out and take the job from Colt.
Wouldn't take very long to find out Tanny" can get throws to any spot on the field, with a quick release., so it'd take about 6 weeks .
Nobody would have to " take " the job from Colt anyway, because Whoever the starter is will be injured by the time they get done with their 2nd Baltimore, or Pittsburgh matchup anyways.
I'm going from past experience here.
I can't decide, Tannehill, or Blackmon, I'm wanting Both, + Lamichael James,
I don't want Richardson.
If they draft Claibourne! They are NOT trying to win! oh my gosh!
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I would point out that QBs who show that they cannot handle the blitz will face far more blitzes than those who prove they can.
Bernie Kosar thrived off teams blitzing him.
I'm not saying that McCoy cannot handle the blitz. To handle a blitz, you have to have receivers that can get open with nobody covering them. Sadly, the Browns have no such receivers.
Yeah, you read that correctly. That isn't a typo. Our receivers can't get open with nobody covering them. They can't recognize a blitz and be looking for the ball with the snap of the ball.
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Why not Manningham and Blackmon? Be a nice set of weapons for Bradford. Couple that with Jackson at RB and on paper that's a pretty good offense.
Because Manningham already said that he won't come to the Browns.
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Defense has majorly overloaded to the right Colt looks right at them. The hot read is the quick slant to cribbs with the defender playing 10 yards off. Cribbs runs the quick slant got his arms up ready for the ball with noone on him. What does Colt do? The quickest checkdown you will ever see to the RB right in the middle of all those defenders.
Sorry man, but we're just seeing completely different games. As I stated above, this group of receivers can't get open with nobody covering them.
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Thats what I am talking about when I say the kid can not read a defense. He did this stuff all year. People can blame the OL, they can blame the receivers, they can blame the backs and they can blame the coaches but it doesnt change the fact that the kid was Mr. Magoo back there.
They can blame those areas because there were severe deficiencies in on the OL (esp. the right side), the receivers dropping balls on their hands, backs - in particular Peyton Hillis (that has no vision - runs to the called hole even if it's not there) and pathetic play-calling. They brought in Childress because Shurmur was so far over his head that it's a miracle that they could even find him after the season.
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We were willing to trade away 3 firsts just to replace the kid.
Maybe. I think any offer for RG3 was driven by hype and probably some pressure put on by Randy Lerner buying into the hype and demanding that they try to make the deal. It wouldn't surprise me to find out that Lerner (yeah, Lerner) tried to make the deal and lost out to Snyder.
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Remember Holmgren said surround the starter with talent when he could just have easily had said, we have to surround Colt with Talent.
Holmgren was talking about any QB in a general sense. Besides, he doesn't want Colt thinking that he's entitled to anything and that he's going to have to earn his job. That's a smart thing to do.
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This regime doesn't want to throw anyone under the bus but folks the writing is on the wall. They said they wanted Hillis back but... They said they wanted to resign Adams but.... They said they would like to work something out with Steiny but.... They said they havent lost confidence in Colt but...
And the truth is that you don't know what Hillis was demanding from them. You don't know if Adams wanted to stay in Cleveland. You don't know if Steinbach was willing to restructure his contract after being paid to do nothing (because of injury) last year.
I don't see anything that suggests that they intend to stick with Colt or not. Also, when Holmgren was brought in, he made it clear that he likes to bring in a QB every year to compete for the job. Let's just watch how things play out and not jump to conclusions.
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the way everyone gets what they want.
1a. QB Andrew Luck
1b. QB RG3
2. QB Tannehill
3. Traded to Packers for QB Matt Flynn
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I think we're fine with McCoy if they get actual football players around him.
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I would really love Jeffery or Sanu in the 2nd. Sanu reminds me of Jerry Rice. Everyone seems to have forgotten just how good Jeffery can be.
I'm not sure anyone's forgotten about how good he can be. I just think that no one's forgotten about how he can close down a Golden Corral.
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Why not Manningham and Blackmon? Be a nice set of weapons for Bradford. Couple that with Jackson at RB and on paper that's a pretty good offense.
Because Manningham already said that he won't come to the Browns.
He's talking about the Rams.
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Why not Manningham and Blackmon? Be a nice set of weapons for Bradford. Couple that with Jackson at RB and on paper that's a pretty good offense.
Because Manningham already said that he won't come to the Browns.
He's talking about the Rams.
Indeed, on a Browns message board in a thread titled "Back to the drawing board, what's the move?"
My bad. For the Rams or Browns, Manningham wanted to go to neither. He chose the 49ers.
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I'm not saying that McCoy cannot handle the blitz. To handle a blitz, you have to have receivers that can get open with nobody covering them. Sadly, the Browns have no such receivers.
Yeah, you read that correctly. That isn't a typo. Our receivers can't get open with nobody covering them. They can't recognize a blitz and be looking for the ball with the snap of the ball.
I think that you are wrong. In fact your one statement is absolutely ridiculous. I have seen our receivers, deep down the field, waving their hands furiously over their heads, trying to get the QB's attention ........ I have seen our receivers lined up against single coverage ...... ignored by the QB.
Against one on one coverage, a receiver is almost always open somewhere. The receiver is open either inside/out, and short/over the top. There is a reason why some QBs turn every receiver they get into stars, while other QBs "never have good enough receivers". QBs make receivers, not the other way around. Great QBs know how to make those one on one decisions and throws, while others struggle because "the receiver isn't open".
QBs make receivers. A great receiver can never do more than make a so-so QB competent.
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Would anyone be opposed to this?
1a. Justin Blackmon - WR
1b. Cordy Glenn - G
2. Chase Minnifield - CB
3. Mitchell Schwartz - T
4a. Robert Turbin - HB
You get a threat at WR.. you get two pretty good o-linemen.. a nice corner.. and a RB who looks and plays with just as much fire as Trent Richardson..
the one thing that throws me off is if Heckert will look for a DE high.. Rucker is making starter money, so I actually have us getting Julian Miller of West Virginia in the 6th round.
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I think that you are wrong. In fact your one statement is absolutely ridiculous. I have seen our receivers, deep down the field, waving their hands furiously over their heads, trying to get the QB's attention ........ I have seen our receivers lined up against single coverage ...... ignored by the QB.
In fact, your opinion is just your opinion, and not fact.
I won't deny that there might have been a time here and there that McCoy hasn't seen an open man down field. But, that's just conceding a point for the sake of argument. To suggest that any of these receivers have been 'open' is subject to severe scrutiny.
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Against one on one coverage, a receiver is almost always open somewhere. The receiver is open either inside/out, and short/over the top.
The Browns receivers? Let's say that they are but aren't looking for the ball, they have essentially eliminated themselves as a target.
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There is a reason why some QBs turn every receiver they get into stars, while other QBs "never have good enough receivers". QBs make receivers, not the other way around. Great QBs know how to make those one on one decisions and throws, while others struggle because "the receiver isn't open".
Yeah, it's called chemistry and trust. If a QB doesn't trust that his receivers are competent (#dropped balls), or notices that they aren't even reading the defense and making eye contact with him to acknowledge the defense's limits, he's making a note that they aren't even on the same page.
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I thought it was a team sport. And a WR can make a QB look good (#Green-Dalton).
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I think that the 2nd round is too early for Minnefield at this point. He's still recovering from ankle surgery. Even so, his performance was really disappointing from everything I have read. I could see him slipping into the 4th right now. I am still not a fan of taking a WR at 4 who is not a true game changer. I would take the Claiborne before I would take Blackmon, (and I think that Heckert would too) but I think that Richardson would have the biggest impact on this team. I am fine with Cordy at 4, but again, Heckert seems to find OL later in the draft. I think that 22 will be a WR if 4 is CB/RB. I would guess that we will look at RT in the 3rd .... or maybe even with a trade back into the 2nd. I read something about Richardson facing more top defenses than any other RB in this draft, and it was by a fairly wide margin. I wish I could remember exactly what the comparison was. Here it is ...... http://thequad.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/12/08/the-heisman-view-from-alabama-trent-richardson/A running back has to work for his numbers, before and after contact. When that running back faces seven of the nation’s top 50 defenses, five of the top 50 rush defenses and five top-20 total defenses, and still ranks in the top 5 nationally in rushing, he deserves credit for such a high level of production. ...... from the same article ..... On a weekly basis, Richardson faced the stiffest competition in the country, running against the tough SEC defenses and multiple top-25 opponents. He averaged 142 rushing yards per game and 198 all-purpose yards per game against five top-25 opponents, with 6 total touchdowns. In his toughest game, against the top ranked Louisiana State Tigers, Richardson gained 169 all-purpose yards (89 rushing, 80 receiving). Big difference between facing SEC defenses and facing WAC defenses.
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Which one of our receivers would cause you to change the play/read - assuming you are even "allowed" to do so - because said receiver has enough talent to actually beat their one-on-one coverage?
Nevermind wondering which of our receivers actually knows what to do (recognizes) once they find themselves in one-on-one coverage.
QBs will miss wide open receivers at times.
I think people forget that Colt was a 3rd Rd pick selected to sit behinds vets for 2-3 years...that did not happen.
I think people forget that our best WR last year had not played football in a year and has played more snaps at RB than WR...and he was a rookie.
I think people forget that we had a starter at RB who was on another team's practice squad a week before he became our starter.
I think peopple forget that we had an injured Pashos - sometimes - at RT...and he was the best RT alternative we had.
I think people forget that we had a 5th Rd rookie at LG and a 2nd year "rookie" at RG.
I think people forget we had a new offensive system - again - and no training camp to install it.
We weren't a team missing just a few pieces...we weren't a team with a "go to option" on offense...we cut our #2 WR in-season and let our #1 RB go in FA without a counter-offer.
Tell me which QB in the league could have succeeded under those circumstances? In THEIR 2nd year in the league.
There is no way...NO WAY...anyone knows for certain whether Colt can be a winning, long-term starter in the NFL...let alone a serviceable guy to carry a team through an overhaul.
I have no idea...the QB gurus on this board have no idea...I'm not even sure HH&S have an idea.
Stephen King himself could not conjure up a storyline that reads like the one we went through last year...you just cannot make up a disaster-in-waiting like that.
To single out an occasionally-missed, open receiver or read while completely ignoring the reality of our situation reeks of supporting an agenda.
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1a. Justin Blackmon - WR
1b. Cordy Glenn - G
2. Chase Minnifield - CB
3. Mitchell Schwartz - T
4a. Robert Turbin - HB
I would LOVE that draft...love it...love it...love it.
I would also like Claiborne at #4 and our favorite WR remaining at #2/2nd Rd.
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yea I feel u..
and taking o-linemen early isn't ever a sexy pick.. but if Cordy and Schwartz work out.. we have possibly the best o-line in the league.. if Colt doesn't work out .. we can easily plug and play a new QB and they won't have to worry about protection.
I'm in limbo on whether to take Richardson, Blackmon, or Claiborne.. Its a tough decision.
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I'm in limbo on whether to take Richardson, Blackmon, or Claiborne.. Its a tough decision.
I would be absolutely comfortable with any of those 3 at our first pick. I know there are people who say you don't pick RB or WR early, but I wouldn't have a problem doing it.
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If we stay at 4, I think there are only two logical picks....Richardson or Claiborne. I'd be ok with either ...I'd love to have the best starting CB tandem in the league...but I think I would prefer Richardson at this point.
I don't think Blackmon is what this offense needs. Isn't Little a poor man's Blackmon? More of an Anquan Boldin type. We need a burner. Why draft a guy with the same skill set even if it's a little better?
If we were to draft Claiborne, however, our secondary could look like Haden and Claiborne at 1 and 2 ....Shrine and Patterson at 3 and 4 ...Brown and Ward at FS and SS. That could be pretty nice.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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if u dont draft Blackmon.. then which WR do you go after?
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If you dont draft Richardson, which RB do you go after?
Aren't you faced with the same conundrum?
I just think Richardson is a better fit for us than Blackmon. Do you disagree?
I'm not a draft guru or college football guy, but I know what our needs are and I have a general feeling about the type of players the top guys are. Am I wrong on Blackmon?
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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I look at how the QB did the things he did.
Did he put the ball in a good position for his receiver to run with it, or did he just complete a pass?
Did he hit the receiver as he was coming open, or did he wait till the receiver was open, then starting to cover again?
Did the QB even look at the outside receivers against single cover? (and you know the guy running a go against single cover is going to go all out because the QB should throw him the ball if he is at all open)
Was the QB able to hit receivers in stride?
None of those things really have a lot to do with the receiver.
People blast our receivers, but they really only have to know a few things at the snap. 1 is: "Am I being covered man or zone?" If it's man, then he runs a continuous route. If it's zone, then he runs to a spot. The other major thing that need to know is if there is a blitz adjustment, and that's usually either a sight adjustment or a signal from the QB.
I have to wonder which is more likely ..... that every single receiver we have, and have had, sucks ....... or does more of the problem reside under Center? I know what I think ..... and I know what you think. Obviously the team tried really hard to replace McCoy, so that tells me that they believe quite heartily that the position can be dramatically improved upon. They haven't gone after a single WR yet. We'll see what they do in the draft, but if I had to bet, I would bet that we don;t go WR until maybe even the 2nd round. I think that we have capable (maybe not All Pro, but capable) receivers. They are just waiting for someone to get them the ball.
I think that the team is working hard to find a QB as well. JMHO.
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If you dont draft Richardson, which RB do you go after?
Aren't you faced with the same conundrum?
I just think Richardson is a better fit for us than Blackmon. Do you disagree?
I'm not a draft guru or college football guy, but I know what our needs are and I have a general feeling about the type of players the top guys are. Am I wrong on Blackmon?
I think Blackmon is very much a matter of opinion. Some people (like me) think he can be a no. 1. Others (like several people on here) think he can't be a true no. 1, more like a 1b WR. There are certainly arguments both ways.
I think you're right, though, that Richardson would be a very "safe" pick and would fill our position of need very quickly. Meanwhile, we can maybe get a WR later in the 1st or early in the 2nd that maybe aren't a true no. 1, but can really add to our offense.
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Other RB options.. Bernard Pierce - Temple, Robert Turbin - Utah St.
Turbin's highlight reel looks just like Richardsons. Only difference is the teams they are going up against.
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1a. Justin Blackmon - WR
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3. Mitchell Schwartz - T
4a. Robert Turbin - HB
You get a threat at WR.. you get two pretty good o-linemen.. a nice corner.. and a RB who looks and plays with just as much fire as Trent Richardson..
the one thing that throws me off is if Heckert will look for a DE high.. Rucker is making starter money, so I actually have us getting Julian Miller of West Virginia in the 6th round.
I don't think Heckert is looking at a DE high in the draft. I wouldn't expect one to be taken until the 4th round.
As for your list, I would prefer a trade back and have it look like this:
1a: OG, DeCastro
1b: WR, Stephen Hill
2a: RB, Doug Martin (or Lamar Miller)
2b: OLB, Lavonte David
3: CB, Trumaine Johnson
4a: OT, Nate Potter
4b: WR, Devon Wylie
5a: WR, Ryan Broyles
5b (comp): OLB, Tank Carder
5c (comp): QB, Nick Foles
6a: DE, Donte Paige-Moss
6b (comp): OL, John Cullen
6c (comp): P, Drew Butler
7: WR, Elvis Akpla
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I don't think Blackmon is what this offense needs. Isn't Little a poor man's Blackmon? More of an Anquan Boldin type. We need a burner. Why draft a guy with the same skill set even if it's a little better?
We need a burner? He ran a 4.46/40, AJ Green ran a 4.5/40
Seems quick enough to me.
What about his height? Green is 6'4" and Blackmon is 6'1", fair enough Green is taller but Green's vertical leap was 34.5 while Blackmon's was 35.
So he can run faster and jump higher than last years rookie Pro Bowler receiver who was drafted #4 overall.
I'd have no problem taking Blackmon at #4 overall too...
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Wouldn't take very long to find out Tanny" can get throws to any spot on the field, with a quick release., so it'd take about 6 weeks .
Great,, he can put it anywhere.. wonderful, all we need is someone to catch it 
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