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What the hell is rap doing in the ROCK AND ROLL Hall of Fame?

The only music that should be inducted is freakin' Rock and Roll.

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Grandmaster Flash brings hip-hop to Rock Hall
Legendary rap group, R.E.M., Patti Smith, Ronettes, Van Halen also honored

NEW YORK - Instead of guitars, there were turntables. Scratches replaced soaring riffs. An induction speech was read off a Blackberry.

The hip-hop era arrived Monday at the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five were the first hip-hop act to be inducted into the Rock Hall, joining other acts that represented a wide swath of artists: college rock favorites R.E.M., punk rock poet Patti Smith, rockers Van Halen and ’60s girl group The Ronettes.

Jay-Z, the recently unretired rapper and Def Jam Records president, noted how far rap has come since the days when Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five exposed the world to gritty stories about the streets of New York on songs like “The Message.”

“Thirty years later rappers have become rock stars, movie stars, leaders, educators, philanthropists, even CEOs,” he said, reading his induction speech from his Blackberry. “None of this would have been possible without the work of these men.”

Backstage, Grandmaster Flash talked about how hard-fought hip-hop’s now universal acceptance had been.

“There were some that called it a fad. They called it a flash of brilliance, excuse my pun. I think the significance of going into this organization is it’s the final place for corporate respect,” he said. “They all finally accepted and embraced this wonderful culture we call hip-hop.”

But while it was most certainly accepted, the embrace was not as warm as it could have been; the rappers got perhaps the most reserved ovation of the night, with an almost lukewarm response to their somewhat haphazard medley performance.

The night’s biggest ovation may have been for the woman who swore she’d never make it in: Patti Smith. The bohemian poet straddled the hippie and punk eras, with her album “Horses” setting a standard for literate rock. At the induction ceremony, she performed her biggest hit, “Because the Night,” co-written with Bruce Springsteen, and the Rolling Stones’ classic, “Gimme Shelter.”

Passed over in previous years, an emotional Smith remembered friends and family who didn’t live to see the day — and jokingly recalled an argument with her husband, MC5’s Fred “Sonic” Smith, shortly before he died.

He told her she would get into the hall and that she would feel guilty because he would not make it — even though he was more deserving. He asked her when she did make the hall to “please accept it like a lady and not to say any curse words.” (She obliged).

She also remembered her mother asking her on her deathbed if she had made it into the hall yet. When Smith told her she hadn’t, her mother said: “When you do, sing your mother’s favorite song, the one I like to vacuum to.”

So Smith did, dedicating to her mother one of her most fiery songs, 1977’s “Rock ’n’ Roll N-----.”

If the absence of her late loved ones made Smith’s induction bittersweet, the absence of most of Van Halen’s founding members was downright sour. Eddie Van Halen, who went to rehab last week, was a no-show, as was his brother Alex. Former lead singer David Lee Roth, who sung such hits as “Jump” and “Panama,” with the band, boycotted in a dispute over what song he would sing.

The only two who were present were Sammy Hagar and bassist Michael Anthony. Velvet Revolver performed two of the band’s hits before Hagar and Anthony performed with the night’s house band, led by Paul Shaffer.

Hagar said he wished his bandmates could be there, but “it’s out of our control.”

“It’s hard for Mike and I to be up here to do this, but you couldn’t have kept me away from this with a shotgun,” Hagar said.

There was a happy reunion, though, for R.E.M., as they welcomed back drummer Bill Berry, who left the band in 1997 after suffering an aneurysm onstage two years earlier.

Out of Athens, Ga., R.E.M. largely invented the college radio scene in the 1980s with songs like “Radio Free Europe.” They became mainstream stars with hits like “Losing My Religion” and “Everybody Hurts.”

Singer Michael Stipe said his late grandmother once grabbed him by the arm and said what R.E.M. means to her is “’remember every moment.’ And this is a moment I shall never forget.”

With jewelry dangling from his hair, a mustachioed Keith Richards inducted the Ronettes, the New York City girl group who sang pop symphonies like “Be My Baby” and “Baby I Love You.” He recalled hearing them the first time on a tour together in England.

“They could sing all their way right through a wall of sound,” Richards said. “They didn’t need anything. They touched my heart right there and then and they touch it still.”

Lead singer Ronnie Spector thanked a list of people from Cher to Springsteen to her publicist — but made no mention of ex-husband Phil Spector, the producer whose gigantic “wall of sound” is synonymous with the act. The snub was underscored when she gave a special thank you “to our FIRST producer,” then cleared her throat.

Ronnie Spector had an acrimonious split with the legendary music man decades ago. His trial for the murder of an actress at his suburban Los Angeles mansion is due to start next week.

After the Ronettes sang a trio of their hits, Shaffer came to the microphone to read a note from Phil Spector, who said, “I wish them all the happiness and good fortune the world has to offer.”

Two of rock’s most influential figures — and members of its hall — received tributes: Civil rights activist the Rev. Al Sharpton honored James Brown, while hall officials remembered one of the institution’s founders, record executive Ahmet Ertegun. Both died in December.

One of the evening’s highlights came as Aretha Franklin, one of Ertgun’s greatest artists at Atlantic, sang the first million-seller she made with Ertegun, “I Never Loved a Man (The Way I Love You).”

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The freaks come out at night. The freaks come out a niiight.


Oh wait, that was Whodini.


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ROCK&ROLL! Hall of Fame not Rapp!

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Hip-hop descended from rock and roll. The early hip hop artists should be considered for the rock n roll hll.


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Grandmaster Flash and the Furious Five in the Rock and Roll Hall of fame? Does this mean next year Slayer will finally get their due and get into the Rap Hall of Fame?

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Rap to me is a sungenre of rock n roll.

Rock is not a subgenre of hip hop---so no Slayer couldn't be in the rap hall of fame.


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It's not? Then what about Rap-Rock? Slayer did a song with Ice-T in 1991.

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First there was rock which spawned rap. The divergence of the two led to the idea of bringing the two back together again.

And I suppose this collaberation was instrumental in the emergence of rock rap acts such as Limp Biscuit, Linkin Park or Korn. But IMO bands like House of Pain, The Beasties, or Cypress Hill were more instrumental in bridging this gap.

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Then again, what the hell is this thing still doing in NYC when the HOF is in Cleveland?

Along with the NCAA giving their brackets ridiculous geographic names that have no bearing on who gets picked, McDonalds discontinuing the Shamrock Shake, this is yet another thing this week that gets me worked up.

I can't wait to get poopcanned this weekend.

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IMO...If you cant play an intrument You dont get in the HOF

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Yeah, wtf is with those brackets? Makes no GD sense I tell ya.

Well, on a side note, when is 2Pac eligble?


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And I suppose this collaberation was instrumental in the emergence of rock rap acts such as Limp Biscuit, Linkin Park or Korn. But IMO bands like House of Pain, The Beasties, or Cypress Hill were more instrumental in bridging this gap.





I would say Suicidal Tendencies and Rage but that's JMO.

I think the real question that needs to be asked here is: Does anyone take the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame seriously?

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McDonalds discontinuing the Shamrock Shake,


Will you go buy some green food color and some mint and make your own allready!

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Turntablism is the art of manipulating sounds and creating music using phonograph turntables and an audio mixer. The term was created in 1994 by DJ Supreme to describe the difference between a DJ who just plays records, and one who actually performs, by touching and moving the records to manipulate sound. The word was never meant to be the actual title of the art form. It was regularly stated as an example, while explaining the need for a new word to describe a newly emerging and totally unique instrumental artform. The intention was for the original creators of the artform to confer, and decide on a title. While the idea of the need for a new word spread, some DJs just began to use the example word "turntablist" before the originators had a chance to proclaim an actual title.

DJ Babu has defined a turntablist as "One who has the ability to improvise on a phonograph turntable. One who uses the turntable in the spirit of a musical instrument;" while the Battlesounds documentary film suggests a definition of :"A musician, a hip-hop disc jockey who in a live/spontaneous situation can manipulate or restructure an existing phonograph recording (in combination with an audio mixer) to produce or express a new composition that is unrecognisable from its original ingredients."

Hip-hop Turntablist DJs use turntable techniques like beat mixing/matching, scratching, and beat juggling. Turntablism is generally focused more on turntable technique and less on mixing. Some turntablists seek to have themselves recognized as legitimate musicians capable of interacting and improvising with other performers.


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IMO a turntable can be used to manipulate sounds to create new new melodies---so its an instrument.


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Anthrax - I'm the Man...that was about '84...can't think of any metal acts doing it earlier.

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Screw a turntable and your feeble attempt at trying to legitamize this crappy genre of "music". Let the crap..errr..rap stars make thier own H.O.F. Nobody takes the "Rock and Roll" hall of fame seriously anyway. Freakin disgusting the "artists" that have been included next to real musicians like Hendrix and The Beatles. sighh

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IMO...If you cant play an intrument You dont get in the HOF




So what would you say to The Roots, who are hip-hop through and through but play all of their own instruments?

I would say to open a Hip-Hop Hall in Brooklyn...but then where do your Rage Against the Machines go?

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First off... who freekin' cares if a rap artist gets into the R n' Roll Hall of Fame. There's a WHOLE lot of bands in their already that aren't rock.

Besides, Grand Master Flash and the Furious Five were awesome. Anyone who can't see what they did for music is a fool...

Oh and Rage better be a first ballot hall of famer

Lastly... again, who cares?


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Rap is not rock-n-roll.


That being said I dont consider lots of the bands that have been inducted as rock-n-roll

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Admittedly, I wouldn't mind seeing Run DMC in there one day.

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Exactly... there's no real way to draw the line and I long gave up on looking at it as a rock n' roll hall of fame and more of a music hall of fame.


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If you ever had the chance to see a master turntablist like Roc Raida, DJ Craze, or DJ Qbert work---then you would understand that a turntable can be used as an instrument.


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Rap is Krapp, not Rock & Roll! No Rap for us.


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IMO a turntable can be used to manipulate sounds to create new new melodies---so its an instrument.




Interesting point.

A sub-genre of percussion instruments is called "Found Instruments." These are ancient percussion instruments which got their start in Mankind's musical toolbox by being appropriated for musical use from a non-musical source. When the first caveman picked up a stick and banged out a rythm on a hollow log, music was born... and the first "found instrument" was born.

Since then, Man has always used "non-musical appropriations" to express himself in musical settings. Hollow logs, animal skulls, conch shells, even comb & wax paper have been formed to assist musicians in their efforts.

I suppose it was only natural for someone to eventually "appropriate" modern technological devices to do the same thing.

It's kind of poetic, when you really look at it. The turntable is a device that is used to deliver the "end result" of musical constructionism. By using that device to deconstruct what was already constructed- and in doing so, create something entirely new and different- meets the definition of artistry by even the most exclusive of 'highbrow' standards.

If someone can use a turntable to express music, then he is a musician. Hell, if so-called "Contemporary Classical" composers can use samples of freight trains, bird calls, and traffic noise in their so-called "serious compositions," who am I to say that phonographs aren't legitimate musical instruments?

I make my living sawing away on a hollow box with animal intestines strung from one end to another. The stick I use to drag sound out of it is carved from a tree in South America, and and has tail hair from a Siberian pony attached to it. That truly grossass combination can be used to recreate Mozart, Beethoven and Bach. I've also used it to recreate Hendrix, Pink Floyd and Deep Purple.

Music is in the soul of the musician. Only HE can choose how he gives voice to it. It's everyone else's job to try to hear it. A little honest effort goes a long way.

Truthfully, I wish I could do the things DJ Disk can do.
But maybe he wishes he could play the cello, too.

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