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to be Frank, I always thought Dressen was a solid Lt.
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Yeah, I was really hoping we could spend $32 million on Laurent Robinson.
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http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/...ianapolis-coltsWell, he got picked up in a relative hurry so I must not be completely alone in my admiration for the guy. Any bets on who is wishing the hardest that Luck flops?
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Wasn't Forte upset last year that he was being overworked?
Now he's unhappy because they signed a quality guy so he won't be as overworked .....? 
A 4 year, $14 million does isn't some huge starter level deal, and Forte is guaranteed at least $7.7 million for this year under the franchise tag. (More than twice what Bush will make if he makes every dollar)
He's trying to get paid while he can. And I think that's fair. Plus he's twice the player that Michael Bush is. He's the most important player on the Bears offense and has consistently been very good since coming into the league.
Every year he doesn't get his contract, his value decreases big time because he's a RB. He knows that. A lot of it is about the length of the contract. He tears his ACL, and that could be the last payment he ever gets. I don't blame him for being upset. For good RBs, the franchise tag and long rookie contracts are killer for someone like him (2nd Round RB).
Now, I know, he's made millions, so the avg person has trouble relating. But I do understand why he's upset. No one likes to see other people get better contracts than them, yet not bring as much to the table.
May be the Bears have been promising him a contract and they will take care of him and they haven't. Yes, they offered him a multi-year deal, but do we know what was offered?
Forte's just trying to get his
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I understand that he is trying to get paid as much as he can, but he is coming off as foolish by bemoaning the team signing a guy who can help keep him fresh and healthy all year long. (which is what he whined about last year)
A 4 year, $14 million deal is really nothing in today's NFL. To add a talent who will help with an area Forte himself bemoaned last year should be celebrated, but instead he is whining about it. To me it does come off as whining like a 3 year old.
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^ I agree.
And to that point, Forte isn't even all that good in my opinion. He had a very good year in 2011....but his first three years were pedestrian when totaled up. Yes he has 4,200 yards in four seasons but is that really all that great? Is that worthy of a huge deal?
AP had 5,800 rushing yards, 52 rushing TDs, ~1,100 receiving yards and 2 receiving TDs in his first four years*
Forte had 4,200 rushing yards, 21 rushing TDs, ~2,000 receiving yards and 8 receiving TDs in his first four years
Now to me, I was/would be nervous giving AP a max deal for the very reason how his season ended in 2011, bad knee injury. RBs don't often win Super Bowls and after about 4-5 full seasons, they start breaking down. And if they blow a knee out, which is a higher probability than any other position, their talent level takes a nose dive and they aren't usually the same. Forte is no AP. Forte is good, but AP is great.
I'd do exactly what the Bears are doing. Franchise or slap a 1st round tender on Forte and then let him walk next year. Does anyone really think he's worth a longterm, high-dollar guaranteed deal? Give me Michael Bush and a rookie in the draft and I bet you could get very close to what Forte was going to put up in 2011.
And then you add in all the "disrespected" horsebleep, him refusing to play for $8-9 million for one year and that he's already turned down multiple longterm offers by the Bears. Child please. I'd let him sit like the Chargers let him DJax sit.
*AP has a fifth season under his belt too (~1,000 yards & 10 TDs before blowing his knee out)
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The receiving yards you mentioned are what makes Forte so valuable. When you have a running back who can catch the ball at least fifty times for 450 yards, that's a major weapon.
Throw in the fact that he's a very effective runner and you have a great player.
Is he AD good? No. But who is?
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Is he AD good? No. But who is?
AP is. 
That's my point, he's the only one "worth" that kind of deal. Add in APs knee injury in 2011 and him nearing 30, that contract was probably a mistake (IMO). I just don't agree with paying RBs huge money this close to 30, you almost never get the value back. It's best to run them into the ground for 4 years, franchise them, let them walk the following year and draft their replacement (rinse & repeat).
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If Forte is asking for AD type money he is crazy. But is he asking for that type of money? According to this article he wants $20 million guaranteed. Peterson got $36 million guaranteed. I'd say Forte is worth $16 million less than Peterson.
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"AP had 5,800 rushing yards, 52 rushing TDs, ~1,100 receiving yards and 2 receiving TDs in his first four years"
I look at these numbers and if he's even close.. think of the impact Richardson would make to our team over 4 years. And then compare it to a WR ? These types of running backs should NOT be "devalued" due to the position. In fact.. you could argue they are MORE valuable to a team like ours while we try to protect a young QB.
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I agree.
Everyone is saying that Richardson is the best running back prospect since Peterson. Well that's fine. But is he Adrian Peterson? If the answer is yes, then we take him and enjoy six years of an elite running game. If the answer is no, then we pass and select a running back later in the draft.
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With the new CBA and lower rookie scales I don't think the investment is so huge that it excludes any player. I understand value, I do. But value several years ago and value now is way different in money considerations.
Of course, after the initial contract a player can try to break the bank but getting 4 years out an elite player at current rookie money is good value IMO. At least as compared to rookies of years gone by.
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"AP had 5,800 rushing yards, 52 rushing TDs, ~1,100 receiving yards and 2 receiving TDs in his first four years"
I look at these numbers and if he's even close.. think of the impact Richardson would make to our team over 4 years. And then compare it to a WR ? These types of running backs should NOT be "devalued" due to the position. In fact.. you could argue they are MORE valuable to a team like ours while we try to protect a young QB.
I am slowly warming up to the idea of Richardson...I just can't get there at #4 overall.
Here is my concern:
We get Richardson...but don't upgrade the WR spot beyond a not-ready-in-his-first-year WR.
Teams see that we - once again - have no one to worry about receiving the ball.
Defenses stack the box to stop our only viable option.
We throw the ball short to Cribbs and Little...again and again and again.
I get the Richardson love...and I am concerned that without a significant upgrade at WR, we will be seeing lastyear all over again...except with a  healthy RB.
Since we did not / could not / would not upgrade our WRs in free agency, I don't see how we pass on Blackmon at #4...even if that is a bit of a reach.
We have a potentially good RB in Hardesty...a serviceable-at-best RB in Obyan...and a 'who-knows' guy in Jackson. A third round guy like Pead rounds out that committee.
A WCO team cannot do what it needs to do without WRs...and I am concerned that after Blackmon, there aren't any WRs who are likely to be ready on opening day. I don't think a 2nd Rd guy rounds out that committee.
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The way I see it, we're so bad on the offensive side of the ball that it's highly unlikely we're going to fill the gaps we need to fill this offseason. It's possible, but doubtful.
Right now we have a below average running game, a below average WR unit, a below average QB, and also need at least a RT on the line.
One offseason isn't going to fix that. We'll be lucky to plug in 2 of the 4.
I wouldn't consider Hardesty potentially good. I've seen nothing to show me that. Jackson and Obi are spell guys at best. IMO, if we take a RB later in the draft, we'd be relying on him to be the primary back.
I'm not excited about Richardson or Blackmon at 4 ... but it is what it is.
Way back when, in the beginning of the year, I said that we were bad enough to get into the top 3 picks, and was almost slightly disheartened to win a few meaningless games ... I was attacked pretty badly for it, but another loss or two would've really put us in a better position. I would've loved a crack at Luck or Kalil, and could've lived with gambling on RG3.
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Peyton Hillis was beast 2 years ago with no WR's, he was on the cover of madden, and we won how many games 2 years ago?
last year he was garbage, our team had no WR's, and how many games did we win last year?
hmmm... I see a trend.
To me... a top pick RB's make no difference in winning games. A good QB with viable WR's does make a big difference.
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With the new CBA and lower rookie scales I don't think the investment is so huge that it excludes any player. I understand value, I do. But value several years ago and value now is way different in money considerations.
Of course, after the initial contract a player can try to break the bank but getting 4 years out an elite player at current rookie money is good value IMO. At least as compared to rookies of years gone by.
Just a question, we know that rookie contracts are going to be lower now..
But, Is there any rule that, let's say, indy drafts Luck and pays the most it's allowed to pay him for a 4 year deal.. is there anything in the CBA that says,, 2 years into the contract, they decide, we love this guy, he loves us, let's make him a deal where we buy out the rest of his contract and replace it with a 6 year, 100 million dollar deal with 50 guaranteed?
the real question is, do they have to wait until the first contract is coming to an end before locking a player up long term on a better, more lucretive contract?
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To me... a top pick RB's make no difference in winning games. A good QB with viable WR's does make a big difference.
Repeated for truth.
I want no part of Richardson at #4. Not because he's not "good" enough (I think he's the 2nd best player in this draft behind Luck) but because an elite RB doesn't mean squat in the W-L department in today's NFL.
Minnesota has an elite RB. They're terrible.
Tennessee has an elite RB. They're terrible.
St. Louis has an elite RB. They're terrible.
Jacksonville has an elite RB. They're terrible.
Sure we could draft Richardson and get an "elite" RB. Not saying that's a bad thing, but there's a very high % chance we'll still be terrible.
You want W/L? Draft OLine. Draft pass rushers. Draft shutdown corners. Draft a stud QB. Draft WRs.
Maybe I should go back and find the post I made during the playoffs outlining the top individual RB's in the NFL...and their teams LACK of success vs. the RB's (and what round they were drafted) of all the teams in the playoffs. Aka, the teams who actually win games. It's startling how little an elite RB matters.
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1) What "shutdown corner" is on a team with huge success? The Giants last year did it without their best corner. The corners on the Pats are nothing special. The corners on the 49ers, can't name any of them. How about the Steelers? Ravens? Colts with Manning? The Saints?
No, the only team with a "shutdown corner" that has been that special was the Jets the years before, and the rest of their defense was good also. Not just Revis and Cromartie
2) There is no good DE's worthy of that high of a selection. No visible Mario Williams, Julius Peppers.
3) So that leaves us with WR and QB as your options. Do you think Tannehill is a sure fire pick? Because if we mess that up with the #4, we're setting ourselves back, big time.
How about Blackmon. Do you think he's as good as AJ Green or even Julio Jones?
That's what it comes down to for me. If he's as good as one of those two, sure, we can get him at 4. But if he isn't. Then that's just stupid. IMO Richardson is easily the 2nd best player in this draft at his position. Possibly the 1st. The only thing that holds me back with him is that he's a RB. Is a RB going to change the team the way a QB will? Probably not? Would someone like Calvin Johnson really help our team? Definitely.
But I just don't see that caliber of player available to us. I admit that I haven't seen enough on Blackmon to really make a decision. I have seen a ton of Trent Richardson, he's ridiculously good. He's not your run of the mill 1st round RB. When Trent steps into the NFL, I think he's probably the most talented RB there in the game.
And while many good RBs are found in later rounds, many bad ones are too. Matt Forte, Ray Rice, those guys are the best players on their team's offenses. It's not like they haven't benefited their team. Richardson would help our offense a lot.
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Richardson would help our offense a lot.
What will he help our offense do?
Get tons of practice against 9 or 10 in the box because we won't have two WR's?
Get Colt killed because he has no one to throw to but one WR and one TE?
not have a RT that can protect Colt's right side?
Have Richardson wear down or get injured by the end of the season because he is our "only hope"?
Run a max protection/ goal line offense on all downs?
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Richardson would help our offense a lot.
What will he help our offense do?
Get tons of practice against 9 or 10 in the box because we won't have two WR's?
Get Colt killed because he has no one to throw to but one WR and one TE?
not have a RT that can protect Colt's right side?
Have Richardson wear down or get injured by the end of the season because he is our "only hope"?
Run a max protection/ goal line offense on all downs?
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Richardson would help our offense a lot.
What will he help our offense do?
Get tons of practice against 9 or 10 in the box because we won't have two WR's?
Get Colt killed because he has no one to throw to but one WR and one TE?
not have a RT that can protect Colt's right side?
Have Richardson wear down or get injured by the end of the season because he is our "only hope"?
Run a max protection/ goal line offense on all downs?
You act as if the only guy we'd draft is Richardson leaving all the other holes unattended to..
What about Richardson at 4, Wright at 22 and an OT at 37.. or an OT at 22 and another receiver at 37.
if they are any good, then Richardson would do a LOT for our offense,.
richardson alone,, no,, not so much.. Richardson in conjunction with a few other pieces,, now that's a horse of a different color.
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Daman,
I think the problem/disconnect is the (perceived) drop off outside the top 5-6 guys.
It's been posted on the board before, but the conundrum is to determine which is better:
The top WR and the 5th RB? or The top RB and the 5th WR?
You are correct in that we will surely add more talent no matter who we pick at #4 overall...but which guy gives the most bang for the buck?
The way I see it...the only way we can totally SCREW UP the #4 overall is to take Tannehill.
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I think the problem/disconnect is the (perceived) drop off outside the top 5-6 guys.
It's been posted on the board before, but the conundrum is to determine which is better:
The top WR and the 5th RB? or The top RB and the 5th WR?
You are correct in that we will surely add more talent no matter who we pick at #4 overall...but which guy gives the most bang for the buck?
The way I see it...the only way we can totally SCREW UP the #4 overall is to take Tannehill.
That's an excellent way to approach the subject too imo.
#1WR = go to receiver.
#5WR = more of the same.
Also if your taking the #5WR or so before a RT, then now your not getting a guy who can come in and start for us.
And you might be passing on the #1 or #2 RT prospect, so there is a domino effect at play here.
#1WR, 1a, Blackmon
#1 RT, 1b, Martin
#2 RT, 2-37 Schwartz
I would grab Weeden with the other pick not used on a RT.
#4 QB with the 1st two a moot point and your getting a prospect who is more so ready and is a better value then spending the 4th selection on a QB prospect that will need to hold a clip board for at least a season and perhaps more.
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I think the problem/disconnect is the (perceived) drop off outside the top 5-6 guys.
It's been posted on the board before, but the conundrum is to determine which is better:
The top WR and the 5th RB? or The top RB and the 5th WR?
You are correct in that we will surely add more talent no matter who we pick at #4 overall...but which guy gives the most bang for the buck?
The way I see it...the only way we can totally SCREW UP the #4 overall is to take Tannehill.
Ahh I don't know much about Tannehill other than 19 starts in college remind me a lot of a Mark Sanchez type that, while OK, shouldn't have been picked so high.. so I agree with the thought that taking Tannehill that high would be kinda dumb.
As for the other part of it,, we will, without a doubt, have the ability to add talent at 4, 22 and 37. given Heckerts track record the last three years, he's really only missed on one guy drafted in the 1st and/or second round.. Hardesty. (one might say the book hasn't been written yet on hardesty)
Haden, Taylor, Sheard, Ward, Pinkston, Little and Lauvao are starters. cameron and Mericic were projects from day one so let's see what happens with another year under thier belt. McCoy,, well, we'll see.
Anyway,, of the guys he's taken in the first and second round, only Hardesty is a question mark...
That history tells me we can get some solid playmakers....
So, back to my thoughts on richardson.. if all we picked up was Richardson,, yeah.. I get it, he won't help by himself very much.. Add a RT and a Receiver.. Now you are talking.....
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It's been posted on the board before, but the conundrum is to determine which is better:
The top WR and the 5th RB? or The top RB and the 5th WR?
I agree with the concept but think that we would be looking at the #1 Wr and the #2 or 3 Rb vs the #1 rb and the 3rd or 4th wr. But that is picking nits. Let's put some names to it. Assuming that the 3rd player in our top 3 picks is the same which would you rather have:
Blackmon plus Lamar Smith (Or David Wilson or insert your favorite non Richardson Rb)
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Richardson plus Kendall Wright (or your favorite non Blackmon Wr)
Tough choice. I think either way really improves our team.
And just to screw with you. What if we went Claiborne, Wright, Smith (OR your alternative WR/RB combo) then RT in the 3rd.
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Richardson would help our offense a lot.
What will he help our offense do?
Get tons of practice against 9 or 10 in the box because we won't have two WR's?
Get Colt killed because he has no one to throw to but one WR and one TE?
not have a RT that can protect Colt's right side?
Have Richardson wear down or get injured by the end of the season because he is our "only hope"?
Run a max protection/ goal line offense on all downs?
As Daman said, you act as if our only early pick in the draft is the number 4.
No matter what I want a RT with one of our first 3 picks. I expect that'll prob be the case, since we have no Pashos this year (or ever again hopefully).
I also expect we'll get a WR with our first 3 picks. We have to upgrade that position also.
LOL, if we don't get a RT, Colt's getting killed no matter who his receivers are. What diff does it make if we pick Richardson or Blackmon in terms of a tackle?
1) Richardson
1B) Cordy Glenn or Martin from Stan.
2) Best WR left?
OR we could go
1) Richardson
1B) Kendall Wright or Floyd
2) Best tackle left
I'm not complaining if we get Blackmon, the way people are complaining about the idea of Richardson. If we get Blackmon, then I feel comfortable with that. Heckert was money with Joe Haden, and last year's trade down netted us Phil Taylor, who's got plenty of potential and surprised me. If Blackmon looks like a star WR, he'll prob be the pick. And he should be. But if he doesn't look like a star, it makes no sense.
And you've got a guy who has more talent than any RB in the NFL right now, assuming Peterson lost a step with his injury. That's what I've seen from Trent Richardson. He can do it all, run, block, catch. This offense utilizes a lot of screens, Trent Richardson is money on screen passes. He's definitely not the final piece to our offense, we still will need a good receiver and QB.
But he's definitely not a bad piece to add. And he's a lot better than any other RB in this draft.
So my feelings, if Blackmon isn't viewed as a superstar WR, then forget it. And Claiborne? That's just silly if you ask me. The biggest position that changes a team IMO is QB. And that's having an elite one. But after that, it's more even
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It's been posted on the board before, but the conundrum is to determine which is better:
The top WR and the 5th RB? or The top RB and the 5th WR?
I agree with the concept but think that we would be looking at the #1 Wr and the #2 or 3 Rb vs the #1 rb and the 3rd or 4th wr. But that is picking nits. Let's put some names to it. Assuming that the 3rd player in our top 3 picks is the same which would you rather have:
Blackmon plus Lamar Smith (Or David Wilson or insert your favorite non Richardson Rb)
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Richardson plus Kendall Wright (or your favorite non Blackmon Wr)
Tough choice. I think either way really improves our team.
And just to screw with you. What if we went Claiborne, Wright, Smith (OR your alternative WR/RB combo) then RT in the 3rd.
I could get on board with the Claiborne, best WR, favorite RB scenario...but only IF I trade back up for another 2nd to secure my favorite RT - whoever that is.
That would require our 3rd (to move up back into Rd 2) and maybe one of the 4ths.
My next available pick after the trade up is probably going for the next best WR.
After that, it's a free-for-all. No QBs (unless Cousins takes a huge fall)...No DBs...lots of OL, LB, DL depth...and another WR project/injured-guy very late.
FWIW: If we go Claiborne first and don't intend to trade back into the 2nd for my RT, then I'm taking the RT in the second and my favorite, remaining RB in the 3rd.
Claiborne, WR, RT, RB...or Blackmon, favorite CB, favorite RT, favorite RB.
That way I can look at a guy like Cousins in the 4th and probably get a good/project WR in the 4th.
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why is Demetrius Bell still unsigned? The Bills fans think he's a pretty good young OT.
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I am surprised Steny is still unsigned as well.
I'd like to see us get him back. (no pun intended.)
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What's this? The FA thread is now all about the Draft? I want to hear all the news about our FA signings!
This. Now about all our FA signings and visits.... *crickets*. Okay never mind, back to the draft! 
Fear us, for we are the BROWNS, led by the mighty BM! Only in Cleveland.
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Browns pursued 2 free agent WRs, Pierre Garcon and Josh Morgan. Hey, they were both on my now infamous LIST . . . 
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That just re-irritated me about the RGIII trade a little.
Politicians are puppets, y'all. Let's get Geppetto!
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That just re-irritated me about the RGIII trade a little.
I agree. That botched attempt probably cost us a shot at either one of those guys.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong ![[Linked Image]](http://www.dawgtalkers.net/uploads/small-gator-chomp.gif)
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That just re-irritated me about the RGIII trade a little.
I agree. That botched attempt probably cost us a shot at either one of those guys.
Not necessarily. They both could have been seeking the biggest payday, regardless of team, city, situation . . .
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That too.
If everybody had like minds, we would never learn. GM Strong
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After topping the Browns' bid to move up to No. 2 to draft Griffin III, the Redskins snatched up Garcon and Morgan on the first day of free agency with huge contracts that would've broken the Browns' bank.
How can we not have cap room?
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