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I guess you haven't been following this story? They've been lying about it all along so far. No White House involvement. They had no say in the matter. Strictly performance related when some had just been rated highly. Anf if there's no need to lie and nothing to lie about,why is Bush "trying to" block subpeonas? Why doesn't he want transcripts? If there's nothing to hide,let Rove put his hand on the Bible and talk! Nah,wouldn't be prudent. 
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I am a bit of a political junkie also but never has so much been written about so little in terms of national importance.
.....In this whole mess with the US Attorneys being fired, it certainly stinks and smells of rotten politics but then again political appointess can and often are fired for no good cause at all!
rooty...Now I wonder what your sources of info are with comments such as above.
I would guess maybe talking points you heard from some other source vs your own thoughts.
But that's ok, that's how some of the more vocal get their info too.
Wonder what you and everyone thinks of the prosecution of the two border patrol agents, down in El Paso Texas?
The two agents who tried to stop a drug smuggler who had crossed the border illegally?
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LOL, thanks for proving what I've been saying all along, Pit. This is a political witch hunt by the Democrats. As root pointed out, this is FAR from the Clinton situation (I notice you ignored the facts AGAIN to continue your rant). Clinton was involved in a civil suit and lied under oath. That was a crime. There was nothing illegal done in these firings as these politically appointed attorneys are employed "at will". A former federal prosecutor with the last name of Woodard was just on 610 in Columbus and said as long as the firings were not done to hinder a prosecution of a case, then they could be fired for ANY reason.
Now, you're anxiously awaiting these people to be put under oath so that you can hopefully get them caught in perjury. Considering that there is no way there was anything illegal done, what basis does Congress have to subpoena anyone? They don't. According to Woodard, if this goes further, Bush will win in court because this isn't an investigation of any crime. The witch hunt for political reasons will never go any further. Even if Rove went down to the AGs office and demanded that he fire these 8 attorneys right then and then turned around and said to a group of cameras staring him in the face while he was making his demands that he had nothing to do with it, there is still NOTHING illegal that was done. Period. End of yet another non-story.
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MAC....I am new to this site.You don't know me and I don't know you or anyone else for that matter. I made my comments as you have. You state,"Now I wonder what your sources of info are with comments such as above.
I would guess maybe talking points you heard from some other source vs your own thoughts."
First off I'll forget the intentional or unintentional slam portraying myself as being incapable of independent thought. You get the first shot in...I let it pass, no problem.
My confusion comes from the realization that this is politics on the extreme on both sides...nothing new here.
The Bush Administration at some level decides that these 8 US Atty's are either dragging their feet on charging Dems for whatever reason or encrouching on possible Repub. scandles. They decide to can them for purely political reasons...SO WHAT??? They do not need a reason nor do they owe you,me or Patrick Leahy a complete explanation.
A political appointee can be fired for any and all reasons imaginable...no explanation is necessary...no crimes commited. If the US Atty's determine that a civil rights suit should be filed ...let them go forward as Paula Jones did to Pres. William Jefferson Clinton. At that time a legal deposition will be ordered and the real fun starts.
Until that time we have business as usual and the nasty game of politics continues on both sides.
In so far as the Border Agents...unless proof is overwhelming that they were corrup and acting out of greed...PARDON THEM today.
The problem here is that we have a President who has thrown his lot in with the OPEN BORDER crowd and thus will not pardon these guys until he leaves office...more losy,filthy politics.
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Mr. Pit...of course they are lying...they fired these guys for political reasons. So what? That is not a crime...not even a misdemeanor.
They continue to lie about it today...SO WHAT??? They have no legal obligation to state the factual reasons why the Executive Branch of the USA decided to punish 8 men that are political appointees and serve the President until he doesn't need them or want them around??? Simple...nothing sinister here just crappy politics.
Imagine an Executive Branch of gov't in the future who is told that all decisions,input,suggestions and sources must be transcripted and made available to all under the Freedom of Information Act. No private planning sessions or discussions with opposition leaders can remain private. All defense strategies and future battle plans must be open to Congressional Review....and possibly citizen's rights groups.
This is what you are advocating when you insist that the Executive Branch testify as to the decison making process in firing 8 appointees who knew they were expendable.
Mr.Pit our Founding Fathers realized that total Democracy was chaos...some things must be private. That is why we are a Representative Republic rather than atrue Democracy...thank God and James Madison.
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So let me get this straight,you and Coach uphold the right for this administration to lie to the American public,the congress and that the AG's top aide lied to an investigative committee on this matter which may end up being obstruction of justice. No reason to investigate this aide's lie to the committee. No reason to see just how involved the White House was in the matter even though they are lying? No reason for congress or the American people to expect honesty,integrity and accountability upon the part of this administration? No need or reason to expect this administration to tell the truth?  Just checking. Cause I swear that sounds like what you guys are saying. You want to protect the White House's right to lie to the people? That's pretty rich! Now that's one wierd assed political strategy right there I tell ya! 
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Mr.Pit our Founding Fathers realized that total Democracy was chaos...some things must be private. That is why we are a Representative Republic rather than atrue Democracy...thank God and James Madison.
You're right. And those things have been outlined in a court of law already in case you don't already know. They are,matters on national security and military secrets. Which this subject matter happens to fall under meither.
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Evidently, Mr. Clinton wants to shield virtually any communications that take place within the White House compound on the theory that all such talk contributes in some way, shape or form to the continuing success and harmony of an administration. Taken to its logical extreme, that position would make it impossible for citizens to hold a chief executive accountable for anything. He would have a constitutional right to cover up.
In our latest Fox News Opinion Dynamics poll, we asked a series of questions about executive privilege. Most believe it's an attempt to stonewall Ken Starr's investigation. There's an even split on whether the White House has something to hide. And a majority thinks conversations with the first lady should not be covered.
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SNOW: Mr. Burton, back to your committee -- if you cannot immunize those witnesses, that's the kiss of death. You're not going to have any more hearings.
BRIT HUME: And have you been assured, sir, that you will remain as chairman of that committee through the coming months.
GOP COMMITTE CHAIR REP. DAN BURTON: Yes. I have no problem with that, and I don't think the speaker does either.
We're going to continue on it until we get the truth for the American people, or at least do our dead-level best to get the truth for them.
You know, the president could solve a lot of this problem if he wouldn't hide behind executive privilege, if he'd just come out and tell the American people the truth.
In 1998, when Bill Clinton invoked it, "executive privilege" was a cynical and corrupt tool to prevent Americans from learning the truth about scandal and keep the President above the law. In 2007, now that George Bush has invoked it (and it's hardly the first time, but this time it will likely be tested), it will be a doctrine of the gravest importance and steeped in our most cherished democratic traditions and it must be defended at all costs in order to preserve the Power and Honor of the Presidency.
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Mr. Snow has quite a different tale to tell these days doesn't he? And it sounds like so do their supporters..................
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Obstruction of Justice? How in the name of God did you come up with that one? Name ONE CASE these attorneys were working on that was the reason that they were terminated before they could try them. I'll be anxiously awaiting you providing a LINK to that. You will never give one, though, because that is simply not true. THAT is the only way this can be an obstruction of justice case, according to the former federal prosecutor Woodard that was interviewed about this subject today that I mentioned. So, Pit, there are no laws that were violated but you still want Congress to investigate this KNOWING THERE WAS NOTHING UNLAWFUL ABOUT IT so that they can then hope, along with you, that Rove and others will lie under oath and commit perjury so that you can THEN have a crime committed? Yeah, that makes alot of sense. Keep trying, Pit. It's been stated by EVERYONE that there were no laws broken. NO ONE is making any accusations that the dismissals were illegal....aside from you, of course. You're getting more and more desperate by the minute.
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CoachB...it appears that you and I have been lumped together as being of one mind. If that is the case then I hope you are of sound mind as mine has been questioned for days since I joined this board.
I am quite suprised that Mr. Pit and a few others have such a difficult time with the thought that politicians lie to each other all the time. It happens at the highest levels and the lowest as well.
The AGs top aide may have lied or engaged in misinformation or he may have done this out of ignorance of the facts...I don't know and you are correct we are discussing private conversations between top people in the executive branch of gov't about policy matters.
These matters are confidential and until these private conversations lead to a provable criminal act...which is hard to see happening since these guys were Political Appointees, I don't see why you are so upset.
If these conversations discussed plotting a scam whereby a top official sneak classified documents from a secured federal building and therefore commited a criminal act then I would expect charges to be filed but here we have one team firing lower level appointees on the same team when they felt like getting new blood involved. What the heck is so difficult to understand?????
Once someone charges the Executive branch with a criminal indictment or a civil suit concerning these schmoes don't expect anything more than bluster from Gonzoles and Rove...I think old Chuckie Schumer/Ted Kennedy and Pat Leahy are about to go to critical mass over having their questions about nothing ignored.
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Seems like the Bushies like to interfere with justice...yet another case of political pressure.
Now 'm beginning to wonder if we may not have a Watergate on our hands.
How many more Bush appointees will come forward and tell the truth?
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The leader of the Justice Department team that prosecuted a landmark lawsuit against tobacco companies said yesterday that Bush administration political appointees repeatedly ordered her to take steps that weakened the government's racketeering case.
Sharon Y. Eubanks said Bush loyalists in Attorney General Alberto R. Gonzales's office began micromanaging the team's strategy in the final weeks of the 2005 trial, to the detriment of the government's claim that the industry had conspired to lie to U.S. smokers.
She said a supervisor demanded that she and her trial team drop recommendations that tobacco executives be removed from their corporate positions as a possible penalty. He and two others instructed her to tell key witnesses to change their testimony. And they ordered Eubanks to read verbatim a closing argument they had rewritten for her, she said.
"The political people were pushing the buttons and ordering us to say what we said," Eubanks said. "And because of that, we failed to zealously represent the interests of the American public."
Eubanks, who served for 22 years as a lawyer at Justice, said three political appointees were responsible for the last-minute shifts in the government's tobacco case in June 2005: then-Associate Attorney General Robert D. McCallum, then-Assistant Attorney General Peter Keisler and Keisler's deputy at the time, Dan Meron.
News reports on the strategy changes at the time caused an uproar in Congress and sparked an inquiry by the Justice Department. Government witnesses said they had been asked to change testimony, and one expert withdrew from the case. Government lawyers also announced that they were scaling back a proposed penalty against the industry from $130 billion to $10 billion.
High-ranking Justice Department officials said there was no political meddling in the case, and the department's Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR) concurred after an investigation.
Yesterday was the first time that any of the government lawyers on the case spoke at length publicly about what they considered high-level interference by Justice officials.
Eubanks, who retired from Justice in December 2005, said she is coming forward now because she is concerned about what she called the "overwhelming politicization" of the department demonstrated by the controversy over the firing of eight U.S. attorneys. Lawyers from Justice's civil rights division have made similar claims about being overruled by supervisors in the past.
Eubanks said Congress should not limit its investigation to the dismissal of the U.S. attorneys.
"Political interference is happening at Justice across the department," she said. "When decisions are made now in the Bush attorney general's office, politics is the primary consideration. . . . The rule of law goes out the window."
McCallum, who is now the U.S. ambassador to Australia, said in an interview yesterday that congressional claims of political interference were rejected by the OPR investigation, for which Eubanks was questioned. He said that there was a legitimate disagreement between Eubanks and some career lawyers in the racketeering division about key strategy and that his final decision to reduce the proposed penalty to pay for smoking-cessation programs was vindicated by the judge's ruling that she could not order such a penalty.
"Her claims are totally false in terms of [us] trying to weaken the case," McCallum said. "Her claims were looked into by the Office of Professional Responsibility and were found to be groundless."
In June 2006, the OPR cleared McCallum, concluding that his "actions in seeking and directing changes in the remedies sought were not influenced by any political considerations, but rather were based on good faith efforts to obtain remedies from the district court that would be sustainable on appeal."
Keisler and Meron did not return telephone calls seeking comment.
U.S. District Judge Gladys Kessler ruled last August that tobacco companies violated civil racketeering laws by conspiring for decades to deceive the public about the dangers of their product. She ordered the companies to make major changes in the way cigarettes are marketed. But she said she could not order the monetary penalty proposed by the government.
The Clinton Justice Department brought the unprecedented civil suit against the country's five largest tobacco companies in 1999. President Bush disparaged the tobacco case while campaigning in 2000. After Bush took office, some officials expressed initial doubts about the government's ability to fund the prosecution, Justice's largest.
Eubanks said McCallum, Keisler and Meron largely ignored the case until it became clear that the government might win. She recalled that "things began to get really tense" after McCallum read news reports in April 2005 that one government expert, professor Max H. Bazerman of Harvard Business School, would argue that tobacco officials who engaged in fraud could be removed from their corporate posts. Eubanks said she received an angry call from McCallum on the day the news broke.
"How could you put that in there?" she recalled him saying. "We're not going to be pursuing that."
Afterward, McCallum, Keisler and Meron told Eubanks to approach other witnesses about softening their testimony, Eubanks said.
Matthew Myers of the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids was one of the witnesses whom Eubanks asked to change his testimony. Yesterday, he said he found her account to be "the only reasonable explanation" for what transpired.
Two weeks before closing arguments in June, McCallum called for a meeting with Eubanks and her deputy, Stephen Brody, to discuss what McCallum described as "getting the number down" for the $130 billion penalty to create smoking-cessation programs. Brody declined to comment yesterday on the legal team's deliberations, saying that they were private.
During several tense late-night meetings, McCallum repeatedly refused to suggest a figure, Eubanks said, or give clear reasons for the reduction. Brody refused to lower the amount. Finally, on the morning the government was to propose the penalty in court, she said, McCallum ordered it cut to $10 billion.
The most stressful moment, Eubanks said, came when the three appointees ordered her to read word for word a closing argument they had rewritten. The statement explained the validity of seeking a $10 billion penalty.
"I couldn't even look at the judge," she said.
Staff writer Dan Eggen contributed to this report.
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When Democrats challenged the firings, Justice officials assured Congress the decisions were not politically coordinated with the White House and were based on "performance" issues.
It wasn't true, as Sampson's e-mails later showed. Sampson quit, but Democrats were outraged, questioning if they had been misled and have vowed subpoenas if necessary, including one for Sampson, to find out. http://www.sltrib.com/search/ci_5464508(a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully - (1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact; (2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or (3) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry; shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than 5 years, or both. (b) Subsection (a) does not apply to a party to a judicial proceeding, or that party's counsel, for statements, representations, writings or documents submitted by such party or counsel to a judge or magistrate in that proceeding. (c) With respect to any matter within the jurisdiction of the legislative branch, subsection (a) shall apply only to -
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Don't hate the player, hate the game. As was stated, this is politics as normal. I suppose on the bright side is that it has reduced the Anna Nicole stories.
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I agree that it is politics as normal. Untill you lie to congress. Then it's a crime. That's what they're trying to get to the bottom of now. Once congress was told by Justice Department officials that they were fired for performance reasons and the White House played no roll,but the evidence dictates otherwise,they must investigate that.
That's where "politics as usual" crossed the line into possible criminal activity. Different ball game at that juncture.
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You know, they're lawyers....The obviously have done many things to deserve to get fired.
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OK Mac and Pit....I can hear and almost feel the blood pulsating through your temples as the chance to get the evil maniacal dictator "W" comes finally. You reach out breathlessly hoping to corral that poison piece of evidence which will sink the Redneck unpolished President of the Far Right and his evil director of misinformation and treachery.
As you reach to grab it it occurs to you and many others that if questioned under oath what do you do if the Evil Republicans tell the truth...the truth that they canned these guys 'cause they were unwilling to play the political game. You have won a moral victory and exposed Republican politicians for what you have always known they were...typical politicians who lie when necessary and sometimes just for fun.
But now when you have the perjury trap set and baited the bastards tell the truth...no crimes...no nothing but words about words. OH NO!!!! WE SUCK AGAIN!
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I haven't been following the story but I am glad to see the comeback of partisan politics. I find it most comforting when the two parties are after each other's throat rather than one being in control and really screwing up the country.
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OK Mac and Pit....I can hear and almost feel the blood pulsating through your temples as the chance to get the evil maniacal dictator "W" comes finally. You reach out breathlessly hoping to corral that poison piece of evidence which will sink the Redneck unpolished President of the Far Right and his evil director of misinformation and treachery.
Now that's funny right there! I am a redneck. Gun totin',hard core redneck. As of right now,there's 48 counts of abuse of the Patriot act by the FBI,4 guilty verdicts found against Libby,and naturealy you dismiss the points made that department of Justice officials lied to congressmen (which is a crime in itself).about these firings.
The fact is,we're starting to see a pattern of corruption. And it deserves to be investigated to find just how deeply the extent of it and how far it goes. But you don't seem to want these things investigated. You want card blanche for this administration. Why blame me because Bush is a power hungry,manipulative little man? Why blame me for this deception on the part of the White House? Why are YOU happy and satisfied and justify the lies and deceit of this administration?
All I want to see is answers. All I want to get to is the truth. So your response? Blame those looking for honest answers from this administrateion. Blame those who expect accountability from the White House.But isn't that the common response?
What is this administration and its supporters so afraid of? Why is the president fighting these subpeanas? What do they have to hide? But you'd rather displace that blame on those asking the questions. It must be the Karl Rove that lives deep within you causing such an irrational thought process to attack people looking for honest answers,while upholding and rationalizing those telling the lies. Simply unbeleivable.
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I haven't been following the story but I am glad to see the comeback of partisan politics. I find it most comforting when the two parties are after each other's throat rather than one being in control and really screwing up the country.
That's why I hope this time,the GOP will run a "true conservative" or a "true moderate" (which would describe Gulianni). Hopefully a qualified candidate rather than a name. See,while many think I'm "anti GOP" that's simply not true.
It's "this administration" only. But I'm hoping this time,they'll actually run someone worth voting for. Because I don't wish to see a monopoly in our government by either party. With both Republicans and Dems we've seen that such monopolies only lead to extremism and abuse of power. Which is very counterproductive to the future of our nation as a whole.
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Well I'm a Republican and I can't find anybody worth voting for. I would be happy with the true Lieberman (not the Vice Presidental canidate) or even better would be Evan Bayh. Neither are Republicans but oh well.
Gulianni is a complete joke as a person with no character. That still matters to me. What he put his wife through is even worse than Clinton's indescretions.
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Please cite the law WITH A LINK. LOL, keep trying, Pit. A FORMER FEDERAL PROSECUTOR has stated that no laws have been broken. Yet Pit, in all his desperation, tries to once again misrepresent the facts. Poor Pit, sitting there at his computer trying to invent accusations of crimes when NO CRIME WAS COMMITTED.
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There is an "investigation" to see what if any crimes were commited. And in case you're confused Coach? Judges decide if crimes have been commited,not "former" prosecuters. And would this "former prosecuter" just happen to be a member of the GOP? As has been said before Coach.your inane ramblings will have no bearing on me posting articles of the story and the new details that come forth. As I recall,you were going on in this same fashion about the Plame investigation and subsiguent Libby trial. Same drivel. And you were WRONG! It yeilded four felony convictions! So pardon me if I don't buy into the VERY SAME type of claims you made then considering your bias and poor track record regarding such matters. BTW- If you bothered reading the thread? The LAW is posted above with a link. Try reading it before accusing someone of not posting it.
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LOL, keep trying, Pit. You are so laughable in your desperate attempts that it isn't even fun anymore. As I said, the Woodard said that SINCE NO LAWS WERE BROKEN FOR THE FIRINGS that Bush would win if Congress attempted to serve the subpeonas. Keep your witchhunt going, though, Pit. It's been the same for years. Throw enough accusations out there and hope some stick or enough of the crap seeps into the mind of the mindless sheep you are trying to reach. Good to see you ONCE AGAIN making things up, too, Pit. I said that there was NO EVIDENCE that the administration did anything illegal in the LIbby case. What was Libby convicted of again? Perjury wasn't it? Keep spinning, Pit. You are like a top.......too bad most can read your crap and know that is exactly what it is. That won't stop you when nothing comes of this YET AGAIN from claiming otherwise. Until then, keep ranting, you seem to have nothing else to do.
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And in case you're confused Coach? Judges decide if crimes have been commited,not "former" prosecuters.
I thought that was what juries were for.
In the case of "a jury trial" you are correct. There are times when cases are decided by judges and in some cases a panel of judges. So it depends based on thr trial format. But yes,juries often decide criminal cases.
In the case of wheather subpeanas will be issued in this case,it will be decided by judges though and not juries.
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Being friends with many lawyers I understand all about defendents rights to bypass jury trials and going with judges instead. I also know it is not that common. Especially when you can afford high priced lawyers who can confuse issues with juries. I also know about subpeanas ( however they are spelled) but they have nothing to do with people being guilty, just finding facts. Continue were your battle with Coach, I didn't mean to interupt and I'm sure as hell not taking sides since the truth lies somewhere between your two points of view. 
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I think Pit is referring to the battle between the Dims and Bush for the subpeonas to be served. That will be heard likely to the Supreme Court, which will then find in favor of the administration based on the fact that no crime was committed in the firings and this is a political witch hunt.
As for the battle with Pit, I'm done. He has yet to cite on illegal act committed by the administration in firing the attorneys and won't. No need to continue reading his rants to the contrary with no evidence. No laws were broken in the terminations. I asked him to provide ONE LAW that was broken with the FIRINGS. Instead, he posted a law that doesn't apply to the terminations. Until he can, he can continue to babble and it will fall on deaf ears.
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I also know about subpeanas ( however they are spelled) but they have nothing to do with people being guilty, just finding facts.
Continue were your battle with Coach,
You've pretty much summed up the battle.
I feel there's enough questions and inconsistancies that it deserves "investigating". Not that anyone is guilty. And as you stated,that's what Subpeanas are for,to get to the truth to the point that you know wheather there is enough evidence that official chrges should or should not be launched.
That's the only point I've been trying to make. But some seem to be trying to sidestep that process. I would like to see these things investigated to a point that the public knows the truth. If it's found that the law has not been violated and White House officials are honest and forthright,there shouldn't be an issue.
But that's all I'm after. Getting to the truth no matter what that turns out to be. Sorry others wish to twist it into something that it isn't.
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LOL, you saying you want the truth and others side-stepping...yet when I asked you to name ONE LAW broken with the TERMINATIONS, you had to post a law UNRELATED to the terminations. Yeah, you just want the truth.
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As for the battle with Pit, I'm done.
So much for your credability!
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Well, when you post flat out false accusations about me, I'm going to point out your lies and projections. You don't have to worry about credibility....you have never had any when it comes to these subjects.
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You two just need to kiss and make up. I might actually go back in read this thread, all I need is popcorn.
On second thought, no.
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You weren't even mentioed in my last post Coach? You won't stop anyway. Anybody who questions this administration gets attacked by you. Obviously protecting them,no matter their lies or crimes (Libby) you just wish to uphold them at all costs. Quite a shame really. I suppose you still uphold Libby even AFTER he was convicted on four counts? And will you still uphold these current actions if convictions arise from it? Probably so. Nobody can be a criminal f they're a GOP huh?
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Mr. Pit I believe you are a reasonable and intelligent man...or at least a reasonably intelligent one.
I shall once again state my case of this issue. I believe that there is a good chance that lying and misinformation has been put out by this Administration's department of "lying and misinformation". Each Admin. has one ...Bush has his underlings and so did the previous admin under Bill Clinton [I'm sure the names George Stephanoplis,Paul Begalla and James Carvelle ring familiar...No?
The President will try to fight the subpeanas both because lying is occassionally embarrasing and more importantly the private discussions and proposed plans of the Leader of the Free World need not be common matter for dinner time discussions.
He will eventually lose this battle and the advisors will march to the Senate Inquisition rack where such noblemen as Teddy Kennedy,Chuckie "Where is the Camera" Schummer and Pat "I'm outraged" Leahy will question whether these men were involved in a cabal to fire political appointees for "POLITICAL REASONS". The sparring continues and the men admit it could be seen as political retribution against principled "political hacks" but really it wasn't..".honest take our word for it!!"
The Senate will stretch this out farther and farther and then it ends. The Senators will claim victory for the nation...the truth has been exposed...the Bushites have lied about Firing their own employess...who have no tenure and no expectation of security at all.
The discussions of censure will take place....and fizzle.
Karl Rove goes back to the White House bruised and bandaged but secure in the knowledge that in 2000 and 2004 he beat them all at their own game........
after all isn't that what this is all about?????????
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Oh Pit...you are really ticked off concerning the world of politics played out in the 21st century. It is only politics...there is no real justice system anymore just a legal system where 2 plus 2 isn't always 4.
This is nothing compared to the National scene of the early 1800s....now that my friend was some good stuff.
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You suppose alot of things that are wrong, Pit. I don't have a problem with "questioning" the administration. It's making things up, twisting what happens, and constantly going on biased witch hunts that I have a problem with. Too bad that description is you to a T. Of course, you claim objectivity, but your posts prove otherwise. You hate Bush and are hoping and waiting with bated breath for it to happen....so much so that you have to invent things to take issue with. I'm STILL waiting for you to name ONE LAW that was broken by the TERMINATIONS that took place. You found out that nothing was illegal about it, so now you are trying to find something else to hang your hat on, ignoring your previous claims, and then you'll try to blame Bush, Rove, Cheney, or anybody in the administration for it...just like you did with the Libby convictions. The Libby convictions proved Libby was guilty of perjury. You constantly pretend it means something else.
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Mr. Pit I believe you are a reasonable and intelligent man...or at least a reasonably intelligent one.
You managed to prove in your first sentence that you are clueless. Pit is neither intelligent or reasonable.
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Ok Pit I'll be serious for a change. Do you really believe anybody would take a conversation with Jon Stewart seriously?
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Yeah, that's evidence of a crime being committed. Good job, Pit.
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