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Many of you know that I mock the Browns FO in a private 32 GM mock that just started and ends right before the 1st round in April starts...every pick has a 4hour window (except "night" picks, they have 12) in the 1st round then less from the 2nd round on etc
Colts just picked Luck..yeah I know, shocker
My pick is otc in 16hours...in 20h I have to select and I've never been so torn on not only WHO to pick, but also WHAT to do...trade down? If so how much and for what return?
Tannehill, Richardson, Blackmon and Claiborne are the names....right now it's a battle between Tannehill and Claiborne for me...Richardson is kind of out when he had knee surgery...I know it's "minor" but he got his knee sliced open and he's a RB...just today Barber called it a career after only 7 seasons, only 4-5 of them as a workhorse...I just don't see the value, sorry Richardson fans
Feel free to act as my "scouts" and criticize and dispute my selections, thoughts and moves/non moves ...I will update the Mock regularly when picks are in
Pick # 1 Colts – Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford
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My bias for Blackmon would tell you to take him. I'm not sure I'm as worried about Richardson as you are.
But, if you're wavering between Claiborne and Tannehill, I take Claiborne every day of the week.
I'd be looking for a trade down just a couple spots to maybe snag Richardson at the bottom part of the top 10 and maybe pick up another 2nd rounder (or fleece somebody and pick up a 1st next year).
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Richardson, best play-maker in the draft, I don't know why it's taken so long for people to grasp that. We need playmakers, so....
Diam once said the hardest position to learn was CB on defense & WR on offense,
RB is pretty much plug & play, so it's not like theres much of a learning curve.
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Thanks for the responses..some thoughts:
- I'm really scared to draft RBs in the top 5 that get their knees sliced open..no matter how "minor"...sure, he's a very good RB and I'm sure he will have some elite years in the league...but I don't believe in RBs, even elite ones, making that much of a difference for a SEASON...they win battles (games) but rarely do they win it all for a team...durability (in-season and long term) is another big issue....Richardson would get us into Seahawks territory, where you don't even have the opportunity to take a "chance" on a guy like Tannehill...if we had a QB, Richardson had MUCH MORE value....most on here have this @$$-backwards imho...good RBs can be signed every offseason and draft too...there's more elite talent available
- if there's some truth to Blackmon not wanting to play for the Browns...then I don't gamble a top 5 pick on him to get happy....don't want another BE situation....like Richardson I like him a lot though
- it's funny...the same crowd that argues not to draft Tannehill because of need seem to prefer need-prospects Richardson or Blackmon over BPA Claiborne (and I consider CB to still be a mid term need, if not short term too...just not as urgent as QB, RB and WR)
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If everyone was strictly going off BPA wouldn't Richardson be the #1 pick?
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Wrong..being a person who values the CB spot,I value Claiborne probably more than anyone..but the Browns offense is so..putrid I want instant impact there..Blackmon won't give it that..not right away..but TR might be a better prospect..so for me my choices in order:
1a-Claiborne
1b-Richardson
2-Blackmon
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This was last year's result btw:
#6 DE Jordan
#37 OT/G Watkins
#70 DE/OLB Moch
#111 DT McClain
#137 WR Salas
#168 CB Carmichael
#170 WR V.Brown
#179 OT Hairston
#248 RB J.White
Other than Jordan every other pick went earlier in the real draft
This was the 2010 version (remember, still drafted for a 3-4 D):
Pick #7: Cleveland Browns - Joe Haden, CB, Florida
Pick #38: Cleveland Browns - Nate Allen, FS, South Florida
Pick #62: Cleveland Browns - Dexter McCluster, WR, Ole Miss
Pick #85: Cleveland Browns - Mike Johnson, OG/RT, Alabama
Pick #92: Cleveland Browns - Eric Norwood, OLB, South Carolina
Pick #129: Cleveland Browns - T.J. Ward, S, Oregon
Pick #137: Cleveland Browns - Tony Moeaki, TE, Iowa
Pick #146: Cleveland Browns - Daniel Te´o-Nesheim, LB, Washington
Pick #160: Cleveland Browns - Dezmon Briscoe, WR, Kansas
Pick #161: Cleveland Browns - Clifton Geathers, DE, South Carolina
Pick #177: Cleveland Browns - Sean Canfield, QB, Oregon State
Pick #238: Cleveland Browns - Joique Bell, RB, Wayne State
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The two best players from last year's draft were 6th rounders... And you didn't even want to take Vincent brown! 
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...they win battles (games) but rarely do they win it all for a team
I agree, But don't you think we need to start somewhere, like winning games? 
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The two best players from last year's draft were 6th rounders... And you didn't even want to take Vincent brown!
I didn't want to? So why did I although I picked a WR before?  ...considered Salas a better WCO fit and he went to a WCO team...he was injured for most of the season and in 6 games caught 27 passes for 264yds...he was the Rams version of Little...V.Brown was a BPA double dip at WR
Obviously Heckert got much better value at DE and DT, but I'm not ready to call Jordan a bust...he DID start 15 games and got better during the season...this just highlights what a great job Heckert did with Sheard....most DL, even 1st rounders, need a year to reach AVG NFL level...
Watkins struggled mightily at the start but by season's end he was the force everybody saw...his rookie season was similar to Mack's....Hairston would be our RT starter and Moch our DE/WOLB hybrid on passing downs for aditional pass rush (was injured early in TC and never really recovered to catch up...Cincy's front 7 was strong and settled)
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Claiborne is about to have surgery on a ligament in his wrist, so there's 2 getting sliced open.
To me it would be down to Richardson, Blackmon, and Claiborne. I do not in any way think TaÕnehill is worth #4, and wholeheartedly do not think that Holmgren or Heckert would take him there. I also don't think Miami will go Tannehill at #8, I'd bet Reiff, Floyd or DE in that order.
If someone were willing to trade up a few spots, that'd be my first inclination. If not, then my personal preference I think would be either of Claiborne or Richardson, and then Blackmon.
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Blackmon reminds me of TO in every way. The tantrum during their bowl game was a reminder of TO in Phily. I would rather take Jeffery or Sanu in the 2nd. We just got rid of BE and his whining and drops. I ain't mentally prepared to go down that road again with Blackmon.
Tannehill, Richardson or Claiborne. I like all 3 a lot. Right now today, I would go Claiborne as wrist surgery is no biggie for him. I still havent seen Richardson run on the knee and we havent seen Tannehill plant on that foot.
Everything checks out and then I am debating on Tannehill and Richardson and the fact there are several other talented backs doesn't bode well for Richardson going at 4 for me.
There is still a great deal to be decide with these two prodays.
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Eh, I was mostly just ribbing ya. Brown and Hairston were the two I was talking about. I remember specifically you wringing your hands after having taken brown over another WR you were considering (something like "man, I don't know... I let you guys {me and NLR} talk me into Brown). But in fairness, I also thought Hairston was a LT prospect only and a not-very-good one at that and I was dead wrong there. I still bristle a little bit when I hear about Moch. I remember arguing hardcore with you and Mourg about him last year. Maybe Watkins got better as the year went on, I didn't really watch him after Taylor made him look like a fat guy from the Y protecting Vick. Also, I think I was the only one on here, maybe one of a very few, that said Watt was a better prospect than Jordan.
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Obviously Heckert got much better value at DE and DT, but I'm not ready to call Jordan a bust...he DID start 15 games and got better during the season...this just highlights what a great job Heckert did with Sheard....most DL, even 1st rounders, need a year to reach AVG NFL level...
I liked Jordan too and always saw him on the strong side DE as he was used in NO and started 15 games as a rookie.
I wouldn't consider him a bust by any stretch of the imagination. 
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Eh, I was mostly just ribbing ya. Brown and Hairston were the two I was talking about. I remember specifically you wringing your hands after having taken brown over another WR you were considering (something like "man, I don't know... I let you guys {me and NLR} talk me into Brown). But in fairness, I also thought Hairston was a LT prospect only and a not-very-good one at that and I was dead wrong there.
Just checked....2 guys that were drafted after V.Brown and I really liked were RB D.Lewis and WR D.Moore, so I guess it was between them and I would have gotten a good player with either one of them
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I hope you were right since he now plays for Cincy...they lost some fron 7 players and I guess he will get a chance now after his injury redshirt rookie season...hated it that of all teams he landed in the AFC North
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Funny, that's the same reason I want us to draft him!
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I'd either trade down or draft Richardson, preferably both. I don't think Blackmon is that much better than some of the other receivers that can be had later in the 1st or early 2nd round. I definitely don't think Tannehill is a top 5 pick let alone top 10. Claiborne would be the best pick if we didn't have Haden. I can't see paying both of them #1 corner money every time one of their contracts was expiring.
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Claiborne
Richardson
Trade down
Blackmon
Tannehill
Thats my Order.
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If you want immediate impact, then you go Richardson. Then if you want Tannehill, you really only have one hurdle in your way that being Miami.
The Dolphins have 2 huge needs and they are DE and RT. I could see them giving Moore a year to show that he can run this offense and getting a pass rushing DE with Ingram or Coples.
It is the safer gamble but it is a tough call. Blackmon is the one option that I would not give a great deal of consideration to.
22 Tannehill if he is gone trade down, take Weeden or fill your RT need.
Come back at 37 with Jeffery and at 68 Swartz unless you took RT at 22 then the TE Green from Louisiana Tech.
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I would take Richardson at 4, then look at Weeden and Jeffrey with 1b and 2. (whichever order seems most likely)
I also suspect that this is what the Browns are looking at. No particular reason, other than Heckert seems to like Weeden, and he generally puts a lot of weight on what people he knows tell him. (Like Norwood's father at Baylor regarding Taylor last year)
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I'm thinking offense with our first 3 rounds:
1a) Blackmon, WR
1b) Weeden, QB
2) Schwartz, RT
3) Pead, RB
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1a), Blackmon, WR
1b), Martin, RT
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just today Barber called it a career after only 7 seasons, only 4-5 of them as a workhorse...I just don't see the value, sorry Richardson fans
From that perspective, If I had to bet it all that a player would still be in the league 8 years from now, good luck, The NFL average is something like 4.? years or less.
IF I had to get a player, I was sure to be a 10 year player, I'm looking at Melvin Ingram. + He's the best pass rusher in the draft.
+ If the Browns have to go defense, I'd love to see them get another Beast for the front 7. The idea of drafting to the strength that already exists on the team is to increase the chance of a mismatch in your favor.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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Blackmon reminds me of TO in every way. The tantrum during their bowl game was a reminder of TO in Phily. I would rather take Jeffery or Sanu in the 2nd. We just got rid of BE and his whining and drops. I ain't mentally prepared to go down that road again with Blackmon.
This is a concern Dane Brugler has expressed as well. I sure hope Blackmon is not the pick.
I have looked all over for a video of him going nuts on the sideline. I can't seem to find one.
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Thanks for posting those Steve  Quote:
The game v. Arizona is what gave me the impressions he goes for the positioning rather than out-jumping... see the two fade route TDs.
Why jump when you don't need to.
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I picked Claiborne, he was the best player available at a position of need imho...hate away
Pick # 1 Colts – Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford
Pick # 2 Skins (from Rams) – Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor
Pick # 3 Vikings – Matt Kalil, OT, USC
Pick # 4 Browns – Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU
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lol cant hate on that pick. I would have taken Blackmon but if the Browns select Claiborne I will have no complaints either. Good pick.
If you need 3 years to be a winner you got here 2 years to early. Get it done Browns.
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lol cant hate on that pick. I would have taken Blackmon but if the Browns select Claiborne I will have no complaints either. Good pick.
My sentiments exactly. If we get Blackmon, Richardson, Claiborne or a trade down (with good return), I'd be happy.
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I think that Luck is gonna have a big fall draft day sort of like Aaron Rodgers, with the stock of RG3 at a maximum and Tannehill rising slowly I don't see Luck going anywhere before Cleveland.
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I think that Luck is gonna have a big fall draft day sort of like Aaron Rodgers, with the stock of RG3 at a maximum and Tannehill rising slowly I don't see Luck going anywhere before Cleveland.
wow is all can say to that. You may be right but I highly doubt it and I will add if Luck is on the board when we are up and we dont fall over trying to get the card in I will need to stop being a heckert fan.
If you need 3 years to be a winner you got here 2 years to early. Get it done Browns.
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I think that Luck is gonna have a big fall draft day sort of like Aaron Rodgers, with the stock of RG3 at a maximum and Tannehill rising slowly I don't see Luck going anywhere before Cleveland.
 
Wow. Just wow.
I wish this would be the case ...... but there is no chance that he's not gone by the 2nd pick. None. (Barring career threatening injury)
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Wow. Just wow.
I wish this would be the case ...... but there is no chance that he's not gone by the 2nd pick. None. (Barring career threatening injury)
I mean no offense by this but does any single person think that the draft will not go Luck then RG3? We have found one and worst part is they think he will fall to us? I have to admit I am totally shocked.
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Not even if the Colts GM oversleeps on draft day.
I'd bet they'll have a contract for Luck a week before the draft.
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Miami picks Tannehill...
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1st round:
Pick # 1 Colts – Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford
Pick # 2 Skins (from Rams) – Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor
Pick # 3 Vikings – Matt Kalil, OT, USC
Pick # 4 Browns – Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU
Pick # 5 Bucs – Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama
Pick # 6 Rams (from Redskins) - Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State
Pick # 7 Jaguars – Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame
Pick # 8 Dolphins – Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M
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Update:
1st round:
Pick # 1 Colts – Andrew Luck, QB, Stanford
Pick # 2 Skins (from Rams) – Robert Griffin III, QB, Baylor
Pick # 3 Vikings – Matt Kalil, OT, USC
Pick # 4 Browns – Morris Claiborne, CB, LSU
Pick # 5 Bucs – Trent Richardson, RB, Alabama
Pick # 6 Rams (from Redskins) - Justin Blackmon, WR, Oklahoma State
Pick # 7 Jaguars – Michael Floyd, WR, Notre Dame
Pick # 8 Dolphins – Ryan Tannehill, QB, Texas A&M
Pick # 9 Panthers – Quinton Coples, DE, North Carolina
Pick # 10 Bears (from Bills) – Luke Kuechly, LB, Boston College
Pick # 11 Chiefs – Fletcher Cox, DT/DE, Mississippi State
Bills traded pick #10 to the Bears for #19 and #50
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