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For nearly 10 years, we've all been able to get free credit reports. But, with few exceptions, we still can't see our credit scores without paying for the privilege.
By Stacy Johnson Fri 10:18 AM

This post is from Stacy Johnson at partner site Money Talks News.


Money Talks News on MSN MoneyIt's no exaggeration to say your credit score can change your life. It can determine whether you get a job or own a home. It affects how much you pay for insurance. It influences how much you pay when you borrow, which determines how long it will take to become debt-free.


Much like your final grade summarized your command of a course in school, your credit score is the distillation of everything in your credit history. Thanks to a law change in 2003, you can now see your credit history free once a year by going to AnnualCreditReport.c​om. Yet, if you want to see the most commonly used "final grade" -- your FICO credit score -- you're expected to pay $19.95.

That's not fair. It shouldn't be allowed to continue, and you can help change it. To see what you can do, check out the video below, then read on for more.
Credit reports and credit scores

The reason we have free credit reports through AnnualCreditReport.c​om is because consumers and their advocates fought for it. To quote nonprofit Consumers Union: "Consumers won the right to a free copy of their credit reports nearly a decade ago by bombarding Congress with hundreds of thousands of messages."


Let's try the same tactic again. As you saw in the video above, Consumers Union is sponsoring a free credit score petition, which they'll forward to Congress. Here's why I want you to join me in signing it:


Image: Couple looking at computer (© Corbis)You're being charged for a number based on your information. You have the right to review information compiled about you, from your medical history to your driving record. That's only fair. If any agency, private or public, is going to store data about you in ways that can affect your life, you should have the right -- even the obligation -- to review it for accuracy. Certainly, your credit scores fall into this category.


Today, private companies like FICO credit score creator Fair Isaac and the big three credit-reporting agencies -- TransUnion, Equifax and Experian -- charge whatever they choose for access to something I'd argue is already yours.


Credit scores shouldn't be proprietary. To come up with a three-digit FICO score, Fair Isaac applies a proprietary formula to the information in your credit reports. Like the formula for Coca-Cola, Fair Isaac's method for coming up with the score is a trade secret. And like the recipe for Coke, it's one they presumably make a ton of money from.


But this isn't soda that you can choose not to consume. It's your financial life, and you don't have a choice whether or not to participate. If everyone in America was required to drink Coke, wouldn't we demand to see what's in it?


Fair Isaac provides hints into its score formulation on Web pages like this, and calls it "education." What would be educational is to know exactly how these scores are formulated and precisely what influences them. There's only one reason to keep a formula secret: so it can be sold for more money.


Existing "free" scores can be confusing and misleading. Go to MyFICO.com right now and at the top of the page you'll see "Get your FICO score. Free." in monster type. But is it really free? No. To get your "free" score, you're required to enroll in something called Score Watch, which after a 10-day free trial begins automatically billing you $14.95 a month for a minimum of three months. You'll see similar up-selling at the big three credit agency sites.


There's also confusion created by other, less-common credit scores. For example, Credit Karma offers a no-strings-attached free score. But it's not the FICO score most commonly used by lenders. Instead, you get TransUnion's proprietary score, called VantageScore, a model developed jointly by the three big credit-reporting agencies.


Granted, this score is better than none, and it can at least give you an indication of your overall creditworthiness. But since it isn't the score most lenders will use, it's not good enough.


Other half-measures in the law miss the point. There's another way to get a free credit score: Get denied for credit or get offered a crummy interest rate. Since July, lenders who deny your loan application or offer you less than the best rate have to explain why, including your score, if that was a factor.



But getting a free score after you've been denied credit is shutting the barn door after the horse has escaped. Your credit score is most important before you apply, not after you've been rejected.


Free scores and free reports allow us to be smarter with our credit. I recently wrote the post "Should I pay for credit monitoring?" In it, I quoted Lynnette Khalfani-Cox, a personal-finance author who supports the idea of paying for a monthly credit-monitoring program so consumers can get unlimited access to credit reports and scores. Here's what she said:
The single biggest reason to use credit monitoring is that you'll receive an incredible amount of credit education simply by staying on top of your credit. The mere act of constantly reviewing your credit files and being aware of changes to your credit profile promotes enhanced financial literacy and better credit awareness.
Well spoken, Lynnette. But allowing credit-reporting agencies and Fair Isaac to charge for access to the tools to make you a better borrower doesn't promote education, it hinders it. Start offering consumers precise information at no cost, and you'll start shattering myths about how credit works.


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There is a link in the article to sign a petition and send a letter to your state reps to make them give us our scores along with our Free Annual Credit Report.

This is a major item in our lives now a days, And it seems to me to be a obvious choice.


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I agree. The whole credit score thing is so convoluted anymore and such a racket. There is something wrong with these companies, who are in charge of the scores, making money off the people they are doing the scoring for. That has never smelled right to me.

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I agree. The whole credit score thing is so convoluted anymore and such a racket. There is something wrong with these companies, who are in charge of the scores, making money off the people they are doing the scoring for. That has never smelled right to me.




I agree... a few years back I did the 'free credit report' and it took me several months to get them to stop charging my credit card for the 'credit protection' that I inadvertently signed up for when I get my free credit report...


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I agree. The other thing that I have a patented problem with the Credit Reporting system is that those that choose to use it as a measure of your ability to repay, do not necessarily have to report your good payment/bad payments.

I'm not talking about the employer checks or rental checks (though the rental checks are borderline). I'm talking about the insurances, medical, legal and others. To me, if you're going to report bad things to the agencies, then you should be mandated to report the good as well.

Either way, it's a report based on you and your responsibility. The fact that an external source can do this and you have to pay them to see what they are saying in any manner seems like a damn crock. Once a year isn't enough imo.


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The truth is that by law, you're already entitled to request your credit score for the cost of filling out a form and a stamp to each of the three credit reporting agencies.

http://www.equifax.com/answers/request-free-credit-report/en_cp

If you haven't had your credit scored recently, you can ask a bank to check it for you. Of course, you might have to fill out some paperwork (such as a loan application) and wait for 10 or 15 minutes while the scores come back. If you have some black marks on it, they can even explain them to you and how to clean them up.

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There are some things that I frankly NEVER understood about credit scoring.

I remember when I bought my first car - on the same day as I closed on my house. The guy who was arranging my auto finance said I could have gotten a better financing rate on my car if I had closed on my house a month prior to closing on the auto loan.

I said, "Wait a minute, I need to incur more debt in order to get additional debt at a better rate?"

His reply: "Yes."

Now that I have a mortgage and I'm paying ack my wife's and my school loans, I qualified for 0% APR financing on a car.

So with debt, I'm in a better place than without debt. Had I had no debt, my rates on new debt would have been far worse.

Something's wrong.


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The truth is that by law, you're already entitled to request your credit score for the cost of filling out a form and a stamp to each of the three credit reporting agencies.

http://www.equifax.com/answers/request-free-credit-report/en_cp

If you haven't had your credit scored recently, you can ask a bank to check it for you. Of course, you might have to fill out some paperwork (such as a loan application) and wait for 10 or 15 minutes while the scores come back. If you have some black marks on it, they can even explain them to you and how to clean them up.





Per your link
"Note: Credit report disclosures do not include credit scores. Your credit score disclosure must be purchased separately. "


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There are some things that I frankly NEVER understood about credit scoring.

I remember when I bought my first car - on the same day as I closed on my house. The guy who was arranging my auto finance said I could have gotten a better financing rate on my car if I had closed on my house a month prior to closing on the auto loan.

I said, "Wait a minute, I need to incur more debt in order to get additional debt at a better rate?"

His reply: "Yes."

Now that I have a mortgage and I'm paying ack my wife's and my school loans, I qualified for 0% APR financing on a car.

So with debt, I'm in a better place than without debt. Had I had no debt, my rates on new debt would have been far worse.

Something's wrong.





Because it's not about whether you have debt or not, it's about a history of your repayment of any debt you have had.

They don't care if you make 20k and have 50k in credit debt with another 100k available, as long as you show a history of responsibly paying your debt in a timely manner.


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If you have good credit, many times you get screwed by taking the 0% credit anyway. I am able to switch most people away from the 0% rate and get them a low rate at the bank, so they can still use the rebate. If you lose a 3,000 rebate by taking the 0% rate when you could have gone with a low rate that only costs you 2500 in interest you just got screwed out of 500 bucks, and if you paid extra on the loan, or made your payments early, or traded the car back in before the loan was paid off you save even more.


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For the most part that is true they do look at your credit limits and amount of debt though. You never want to be over 20% of your total revolving credit usage.
The older your accounts the better thus never shut down an account just because you dont use it. Lots of little secrets to building up a profile if you want to raise your score but 1 thing remains constant time.


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I am in favor of this. Having it and knowing how good it is can be as important as knowing how bad it is and fixing it up some. The whole thing is very convoluted. My concern is about the number and range of personal information items they have is, and you really don't know where it is going or to whom. I am pretty simple: If it is me, I have right to know whatever about it; if it affects me, I need to verify that info and should be allowed to know who is holding the other end of the leash(es). If not, I am a victim or a commodity. JMO.


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apparently, i'm in the minority here.

these credit agencies figured out a formula based on income and debt ratios and a bunch of other financial information to determine the risks associated with lending money. it's not perfect (nothing can be) but it's something that a company spent alot of time and effort to come up with and is good enough that the banking industry is willing to rely on it.

you can hate the credit score system all you want (I do too, I think alot of it seems arbitrary), but that isn't the issue here:

you cannot take the proprietary results of this formula (intellectual property) and just give it away for free because people feel they have a "right" to it.

sorry, but that is just plain wrong. your credit history is not IP, so you can lay claim to getting it. but, this score is definitively IP. no court is going to side with people trying to strip these credit companies of it.


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Actually, I believe they will. This moved out of the realm of proprietary when it became a requirement for lending institutions (who use federal money...i.e. OUR money) to dole out loans.

It has real world and real $$$ consequences. I'm not saying they can't have it, or that it shouldn't exist. I AM saying that they should be required to inform you what it is and not charge the consumer. Plain and simply, let them make $$ off the institutions that use it. The consumer is already going to pay it through the interest that we pay on the loans and credit cards that we have.

And as for the courts not siding with the consumers, they already did by forcing the companies to give you 1 free credit report per year for no cause, and also requiring that your report be available to you after you have applied for credit and been denied. This would be an extension of that. And that should be expanded to 2 reports per year at the least. A lot can change in your credit reports in a year.

There are so many advocates now a days that say they want consumers to be more educated about their credit worthiness but do not want to provide the tools necessary. This is how you do that.


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I believe the credit history should be available at all times. I think it's ridiculous that it is not.

However, the courts only rules that the non-proprietary history be revealed. that is what they allowed. the proprietary score is not given out specifically because it is IP.

it is not a federal requirement to use those scores. it is a choice from the lending institutions to trust those scores because they believe in the IP.


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And I believe since this magic number affects everything from my interest rates, ability to get credit and even sometimes ability to rent housing I should have access to it Once a year is fine, they make their money off creditors pulling scores not individuals.


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and I think paying $20 for this score once a year is reasonable

of course, I also think that getting the score should not negatively affect the score (which somehow it still does and they have not created a mechanism for it to be unaffected)


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and I think paying $20 for this score once a year is reasonable

of course, I also think that getting the score should not negatively affect the score (which somehow it still does and they have not created a mechanism for it to be unaffected)




and I'm of the mindset that if it was $5 they would get an increase of people purchasing it 10 fold, thereby increasing their profits for something that is totally automated and requires little if any additional resources for the increase in profits.


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then that's just a bad business decision on them


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There are some things that I frankly NEVER understood about credit scoring.

I remember when I bought my first car - on the same day as I closed on my house. The guy who was arranging my auto finance said I could have gotten a better financing rate on my car if I had closed on my house a month prior to closing on the auto loan.

I said, "Wait a minute, I need to incur more debt in order to get additional debt at a better rate?"

His reply: "Yes."

Now that I have a mortgage and I'm paying ack my wife's and my school loans, I qualified for 0% APR financing on a car.

So with debt, I'm in a better place than without debt. Had I had no debt, my rates on new debt would have been far worse.

Something's wrong.





Because it's not about whether you have debt or not, it's about a history of your repayment of any debt you have had.

They don't care if you make 20k and have 50k in credit debt with another 100k available, as long as you show a history of responsibly paying your debt in a timely manner.




I understand where they're gonig with it, but I think it's fundamentally flawed.


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If you have good credit, many times you get screwed by taking the 0% credit anyway. I am able to switch most people away from the 0% rate and get them a low rate at the bank, so they can still use the rebate. If you lose a 3,000 rebate by taking the 0% rate when you could have gone with a low rate that only costs you 2500 in interest you just got screwed out of 500 bucks, and if you paid extra on the loan, or made your payments early, or traded the car back in before the loan was paid off you save even more.




No crap? That's interesting, man.


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No crap. I always say the money is better in the customers pocket than in the banks pocket


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