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Posted by Michael David Smith on March 26, 2012, 12:58 PM EDT McCoy’s hold on the starting quarterback job in Cleveland is getting stronger by the day. After missing out on a trade up in the NFL draft for Robert Griffin III, the Browns’ brass has said repeatedly that McCoy has the team’s confidence, and General Manager Tom Heckert reiterated that today. “We’re fine with Colt McCoy as our quarterback,” Heckert told Mary Kay Cabot of the Cleveland Plain Dealer. Heckert also said that the Browns might trade down from the No. 4 spot in the NFL draft, but “there’s no way” they’ll trade up into the Vikings’ No. 3 spot. That’s because, Heckert said, the Browns don’t have one particular player they’re definitely targeting, and instead have a handful of players they could take near the top of the draft. “There’s five players we really like,” he said. Heckert also said that the Browns would be open to trading down and have already had some feelers from teams that are interested in trading up to No. 4. But in order to get one of those five players the Browns really like, they would likely not trade down very far. And at this point, it appears that those five players the Browns really like are all players who would be asked to contribute to a team on which McCoy is the starting quarterback. http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/201...may-trade-down/
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So, he's giving a shot of confidence to the guy who is currently slated as our QB (as opposed to saying "my Lord do we need a new QB or what!?!?), he's saying that they're open to trading down and he's saying that there are a number of players in the draft that we like. Now that's concrete information! 
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FIVE players they like? wow..
is that excluding Luck and RG3? lol..
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Heckert also said that the Browns would be open to trading down and have already had some feelers from teams that are interested in trading up to No. 4. But in order to get one of those five players the Browns really like, they would likely not trade down very far.
Sweet LORD, land us another 2nd, Heck!!!! 
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Richardson, Claiborne, Blackmon, Tannehill, Ingram would be my guess.
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Well if you think about it...it may not be that far off.....
Blackmon, Richardson, Claiborne, Kalil, Coples...
I am not going to make assumptions as to how high any should be...but all five have been talked about in that area of the draft.
I thought I was wrong once....but I was mistaken...
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You know I have never even considered getting Ingram.. hmm.. he is a beast. Our offense though IS a mess.. lol.. we gotta get a blue-chip offensive star with our first pick. but if he can net us a few more picks in the 2nd.. i'm down for it. I'd be like Rucker who? 
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Richardson, Claiborne, Blackmon, Anyone but Tannehill, Ingram
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My guess on the first 4: Richardson, Claiborne, Blackmon, Reiff
For #5, I'm thinking DeCastro or Floyd
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Tom Heckert: Browns “fine with Colt McCoy,”
Well it doesn't take a genius to see that he is very upset about going into next season with Colt.. Any coach who really liked his QB wouldn't use the word "fine".. he would say "in love with" or "enamored with" or "excited about"... he might even say they were "BFF's".. but "fine" is reserved for FO's who really aren't "fine" but have to say it anyway.... [/purple] 
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It's the same as when your wife/girlfriend says "fine"... you know you're really in deep doo-doo 
Browns is the Browns
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Someone should ask Heckert: "What did Colt McCoy do last year to make you try to make a move for another QB?"
If Heckert answers with "He knows what he did", then McCoy might as well start packing his bags.
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Since only the 1st 2 picks are "locks" my guess is (in no order) Kalil, Claiborne, Richardson, Tannehill and Blackmon...there probably is a "surprise" prospect or 2 in that top5, probably a OT (Reiff or Martin)
Whoever the "names" are..to be 100% sure, pick 7 is the deepest we should trade down to
The question now becomes: why would TB, STL or JAX trade up to our 4th?
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Now we get to over analyze the context of How Heckert said we will be "fine" with McCoy. I think he means we will be fine with McCoy and that we will be fine with McCoy is what he meant. 
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1) If they wanted Richardson and thought that they needed to jump TB for him
2) If someone fell in love with Claiborne or Blackmon
3) If Minnesota didn't take Kalil, I think we'd have multiple offers, including St Louis.
I think 8 would probably be in consideration too, so 4 -8 would be the 5 players (under the assumption that the Brown's brass is thinking Kalil at 3 is a done deal)
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Richardson, Claiborne, Blackmon, Tannehill, Ingram would be my guess.
Poor Mourg... man I think we need to send YTBF's suicide watch to your house for when the Browns turn in the card at #4. Heckert and Holmgren have tried to say everything they can that after the Griffin trade didn't work out they want to stick with McCoy and Wallace.
My interpretation of Heckert's comments was what has been said all along by most people:
Luck, Griffin, Claiborne, Blackmon, and Richardson. Two or three of those guys will be gone when our pick comes up, unless Mourg can convince Shanahan that Tannehill is better than Griffin.
But if he was eliminating Luck, Griffin, and Kalil?
Claiborne, Blackmon, Richardson... maybe Ingram? Coples? Floyd? I don't have confidence in figuring out the other two. It does not appear to be any QB from their comments about "using those picks to get starters to put around the QBs on our team."
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Me too 
I really really really don't want Tannehill in the 1st round.
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The question now becomes: why would TB, STL or JAX trade up to our 4th?
I can see the Rams trading with us to get Blackmon or Claiborne.
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I would think that the five included Luck and RGIII.
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Claiborne, Blackmon, Richardson... maybe Ingram? Coples? Floyd? I don't have confidence in figuring out the other two.
it is also possible that there are really only 2 or 3 on the list and that he inflated the list because if he had said "There are 3 guys we are looking at.." Then that makes it really easy to narrow it down to who he is really considering...
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Claiborne, Blackmon, Richardson... maybe Ingram? Coples? Floyd? I don't have confidence in figuring out the other two.
it is also possible that there are really only 2 or 3 on the list and that he inflated the list because if he had said "There are 3 guys we are looking at.." Then that makes it really easy to narrow it down to who he is really considering...
But maybe he knows that you'll think it was inflated and that he actually only likes 3, so now if you like one of those 3, you'll have to trade up.
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Claiborne, Blackmon, Richardson... maybe Ingram? Coples? Floyd? I don't have confidence in figuring out the other two.
it is also possible that there are really only 2 or 3 on the list and that he inflated the list because if he had said "There are 3 guys we are looking at.." Then that makes it really easy to narrow it down to who he is really considering...
But maybe he knows that you'll think it was inflated and that he actually only likes 3, so now if you like one of those 3, you'll have to trade up.
Yes but now you have to figure out which 3 of the 5 he is talking about, where as if he had said 3, then you would have known which 3 but now you have to consider 5. Therefore you may trade up for somebody we didn't want anyway because he was in other 2 and not 3 out of the 5.
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That Heckert is a shifty devil.
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GM Heckert said questions about Colt McCoy's arm strength are "unfounded."
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
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He's just saying that because they are "founded".
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He confirmed that Oklahoma State receiver Justin Blackmon and Morris LSU cornerback Morris Claiborne are among about five players they really like at the top of the draft.
"We're most likely going to stay at No. 4 and we know we'll get a really good player there,'' he said. "But there's about five guys we really like, so we would consider trading down -- but probably only to five, six, seven or eight.'' http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/03/cleveland_browns_gm_tom_hecker_13.html
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He confirmed that Oklahoma State receiver Justin Blackmon and Morris LSU cornerback Morris Claiborne are among about five players they really like at the top of the draft.
"We're most likely going to stay at No. 4 and we know we'll get a really good player there,'' he said. "But there's about five guys we really like, so we would consider trading down -- but probably only to five, six, seven or eight.''
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2012/03/cleveland_browns_gm_tom_hecker_13.html
Obviously if we trade down we won't have all 5 options, but if it has to be Richardson I would feel much better if we traded down and picked up another 2nd round pick, because we absolutely have to get a RT along with those other weapons on offense.
Who here doesn't want to go into the season with Cousins as our starting RT a show of hands.
McCoy ... Razes hand!
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the only thing about trading down is someone else could still trade ahead of us and we end up getting someone NOT on his list.
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What do you think about Brooks OG Miami OH as a RT candidate? He's as big as Cordy Glenn and at his pro day had times that would have put him top 5 in every OL drill. He's also a total bulldozer in the run game.
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Well, there goes the passing game.
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"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
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Holmgren Show on 850 wknr live
funny that he is on while Goodell is giving his NFL Annual Meeting speech.
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"Our fans will be very very excited about who we pick. We have a lot of fire power" - Holmgren
"Going from 4-12 to 6-10 isn't good enough. I believe we are going to be better than that. We're going to be a lot better than that." - Mike Holmgren (3/15/12)
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I would feel much better if we traded down and picked up another 2nd round pick,
I don't know that I would want to trade down and get another 2nd round pick this year. With the 4 extra compensatory picks (which cannot be traded so we cannot use them to move up) we will be drafting a lot of players. If we trade down I want a 1st next year or I don't do it unless I have a potential trade down with our #22 lined up for a 1st next year and I want an extra 2nd to "replace" the #22.
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I would feel much better if we traded down and picked up another 2nd round pick,
I don't know that I would want to trade down and get another 2nd round pick this year. With the 4 extra compensatory picks (which cannot be traded so we cannot use them to move up) we will be drafting a lot of players. If we trade down I want a 1st next year or I don't do it unless I have a potential trade down with our #22 lined up for a 1st next year and I want an extra 2nd to "replace" the #22.
yea.. with all the picks this year.. the front office is gonna have a tough time calling the 53 man roster.
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I would feel much better if we traded down and picked up another 2nd round pick,
I don't know that I would want to trade down and get another 2nd round pick this year. With the 4 extra compensatory picks (which cannot be traded so we cannot use them to move up) we will be drafting a lot of players. If we trade down I want a 1st next year or I don't do it unless I have a potential trade down with our #22 lined up for a 1st next year and I want an extra 2nd to "replace" the #22.
You make a good point.
Also we have enough of our own picks like the (2) 4th round pick, our 5th round pick, Denver's 6th round pick. To perhaps move up for a second 3rd round pick or we can package our 3rd round pick with one of the others to move back into the 2nd round (Like we did with Hardesty), so I think we have some options to maneuver some in the Draft even without a trade down.
When its all said and done I think we will probably only use 10 picks or perhaps less.
We would still have (2) 6/7th and 2 after the 7th round for late round flyers.
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No kidding he is going to say that. What else is he going to say? "We are stuck with the guy so we have to make the best of it?"
He can say all he wants but he is full of crap. You don't go out and offer just short of the moon if you honestly think the guy you have is good enough.
I can see making some overtures if you see a talented guy, but you don't take it to the level we did if you are confident in what you have.
The best damage control they can do is to just get off of that topic because every time they start talking about how good things are, it reminds the fans about how good things aren't.
Just play out the season with Colt having better weapons, see some measly improvement that will cause Homie to backtrack, and hope we can find a QB next year.
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J/C,
Even thought Heckert has to say that about McCoy now that he is not getting RG3, the problem is that no one in the media asks Heckert, with all those picks, what in his opinion are the Browns most pressing positions of need? Now of course we all see those but heckert has 13 picks now. They probably will not keep all 13 but moving down does not get certain play-makers we need. Heckert will not show his hand but I will say this until the draft, HE GOTTA HIT about a 60% success rate. That might be asking alot but this draft is one of the most important since the Browns came back.. period!
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I would feel much better if we traded down and picked up another 2nd round pick,
I don't know that I would want to trade down and get another 2nd round pick this year. With the 4 extra compensatory picks (which cannot be traded so we cannot use them to move up) we will be drafting a lot of players. If we trade down I want a 1st next year or I don't do it unless I have a potential trade down with our #22 lined up for a 1st next year and I want an extra 2nd to "replace" the #22.
I absolutely would and to make room, I'd package some players with some of those picks and move up the draft.
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