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PALM BEACH, Fla. -- Browns coach Pat Shurmur said here today that "we're moving forward'' with Colt McCoy as the Browns starting quarterback
"At this point, he's our quarterback,'' said Shurmur. "We're looking forward to him being our guy and I'm looking forward to seeing him improve. We believe he has a chance to be a fine player in this league.''
Of course, the Browns haven't ruled out drafting a quarterback that will come in and compete for the starting job, including Texas A&M's Ryan Tannehill and Oklahoma State's Brandon Weeden.
The Browns will be represented at Tannehill's Pro Day on Thursday, but Shurmur said he wasn't certain he'll be in attendance. The Browns will also bring all of the big-name prospects to Berea for visits.
But for now, they're throwing their support behind McCoy, who was forced to learn the West Coast offense without a coaching staff last season.
"I want to see him have an offseason,'' said Shurmur. "It takes awhile to really learn an offense. Now he's had a chance to look at all of the cut-ups and have a better understanding of it.''
Shurmur said he expects all of the offensive players to take it up a notch in their second year in the system. He said it's also "fair to say'' that he didn't know his personnel very well last season, having met some of them for the time on the first day of training camp.
What's more, McCoy's supporting cast was hampered by injuries, including a broken foot on the part of receiver Mohamed Massaquoi.
"He started the year with nagging injuries and we couldn't see the best of Mo because of that,'' said Shurmur. "I'm hopeful he can (make a splash this year). He has the talent.''
The Browns were also down to their fourth and fifth running backs thanks to injuries to Brandon Jackson, Peyton Hillis and Montario Hardesty.
"I'm looking forward to Hardesty being a healthy player and I'm looking for Brandon Jackson to do what he did in Green Bay.''
Shurmur said he also expects more production out of his young receivers, Greg Little and Norwood, and he hopes to use Carlton Mitchell more this year.
As for Oklahoma State receiver Justin Blackmon, whom the Browns might take at No. 4, Shurmur said, "I'm very impressed with him. I know a lot about him already. He gets in the end zone and he catches the ball in traffic.''
He said he's not concerned about the fact Blackmon measured a shade under 6-1. "He plays big,'' said Shurmur.
A few other quick hits from Shurmur at the annual coaches' breakfast at the owners meetings:
* He praised Akron native Whitney Mercilus, who will visit the Browns on Sunday. "He's an outstanding player,'' said Shurmur. Mercilus, who could be a candidate with their No. 22 pick, led the nation with 16 sacks and nine forced fumbles for Illinois in 2011.
* On free agent guard Eric Steinbach, who was released two weeks ago: "I think it's realistic he could be back.''
* On running backs David Wilson of Virginia Tech and Isaiah Pead of Cincinnati, whom the Browns will visit with before the draft: "These guys are getting a lot of production. It's fair to say'' you can find a good back in later rounds. "It's a critical position.''
* He still isn't warming up to the Wildcat -- despite the Jets planning to showcase Tim Tebow in it -- and says "Josh (Cribbs') best position on offense is wide receiver.''
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At this point, he's our quarterback
that doesn't sound like a forever kinda love story...LOL
Maybe hes telling it like it is, maybe he isn't. I don't expect him to say anything different at this point.
They made thier play for RG3 and it didn't work out. It's Colt McCoy or another late rounder.. I just don't think they have any designs on Tannihill.. just don't see it.
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He sounds fairly confident in our WR's... I am confident with them too..
Mitchell however sounds like he could be out of the door.. If we add another WR in the draft.. it would be hard to keep him on the 53.
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" and he hopes to use Carlton Mitchell more this year."
I don't even think Carlton Mitchell can beleive this.
Aside from what is said there about Whitney Mercilus, every other part of this article, it is like, I don't beleive it, and I don't know how anyone else can believe it.
Well except for one other part, the sticking with McCoy as the starter, because they stuck with Mangini for a whole year longer than they should have.
" at this point he's our starting quarterback"
Well Elway did say that He was committed to Tebow being the starter in training camp.
Can Deshaun Watson play better for the Browns, than Baker Mayfield would have? ... Now the Games count.
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I would love to see McCoy turn things around this year. I love his fire and attitude and overall would like him to be our leader above all the other QBs we've had since 99. I just like the kid too much to root against him. Just not to sure you can squeeze grape juice out of an orange.
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I look at it this way: with a full off-season in this offense and, hopefully, some shiny new weapons to go with it, the offense can't get any worse than it was in 2011. Right? RIGHT?? 
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I look at it this way: with a full off-season in this offense and, hopefully, some shiny new weapons to go with it, the offense can't get any worse than it was in 2011. Right? RIGHT??
If the offense gets worse, we'll be looking for new front office types.
Guaranteed.
13 PPG is inexcusable. Worse would be fatal.(from a career standpoint)
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I look at it this way: with a full off-season in this offense and, hopefully, some shiny new weapons to go with it, the offense can't get any worse than it was in 2011. Right? RIGHT??
I'd have to imagine that this offense will take a big step forward regardless of whether changed any personnel or not:
1.) The key players were quite young (rookie WR1, RG, LG, FB, RB (most of the time))
2.) Injuries to key WR, RB, RT
3.) Then add in that it was the first year in a new scheme, the QB was basically a rookie, we lost most of the offseason etc.
This doesn't mean the offense will suddenly become great - or even that McCoy is the answer -- it just means it should get better regardless of what we do.
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I look at it this way: with a full off-season in this offense and, hopefully, some shiny new weapons to go with it, the offense can't get any worse than it was in 2011. Right? RIGHT??
If the offense gets worse, we'll be looking for new front office types.
Guaranteed.
13 PPG is inexcusable. Worse would be fatal.(from a career standpoint)
Honestly, I doubt that's even remotely true or accurate.
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First, I don't have any respect for Shurmur's opinions.
Second, I can't believe he's excited to see Momass and Carlton Mitchell back. Momass maybe as a 4th or 5th reciever... What has Mitchell ever done?
Third, way to stand behind your QB the Shurm...
Fourth, I can't wait till you're gone Shurmur.
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First, I don't have any respect for Shurmur's opinions.
Second, I can't believe he's excited to see Momass and Carlton Mitchell back. Momass maybe as a 4th or 5th reciever... What has Mitchell ever done?
Third, way to stand behind your QB the Shurm...
Fourth, I can't wait till you're gone Shurmur.
Yeah,, let's fire them all and start over again on another 5 year plan that will only last 2 then let's do it all again..
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I wouldn't doubt it for a second.
The offense was disgusting last year - as in, epically bad... but almost, kinda, remotely understandably.
If it were to somehow actually manage to get worse than what it was, we need to clean house of the entire front office and ALL players.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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I wouldn't doubt it for a second.
The offense was disgusting last year - as in, epically bad... but almost, kinda, remotely understandably.
If it were to somehow actually manage to get worse than what it was, we need to clean house of the entire front office and ALL players.
Not you too Purp......
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Not me too, what?
Believing that there is no room to regress to being beneath the pathetic showing that we were last year??
I call that common sense.
Last year was what it was, but there is ZERO room or excuse for it to ever get worse than that. Ever.
Browns is the Browns
... there goes Joe Thomas, the best there ever was in this game.
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Thanks, Purp. That's how I feel.
I've heard the excuses, bought into the plans and been a good sport about all the moves (or lack of moves) this FO has made. It's time to field a winner... No more excuses.
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First, I don't have any respect for Shurmur's opinions.
Second, I can't believe he's excited to see Momass and Carlton Mitchell back. Momass maybe as a 4th or 5th reciever... What has Mitchell ever done?
Third, way to stand behind your QB the Shurm...
Fourth, I can't wait till you're gone Shurmur.
Yeah,, let's fire them all and start over again on another 5 year plan that will only last 2 then let's do it all again..
Call me crazy all you want Daman, I don't see Shurmur as a viable HC. He's a dolt.
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Colt's alright, but he should not to be confused with a franchise QB. I think the Browns would be better off getting a QB in the 3/4th like Weedon, Cousins, Lindley or Foles and have them compete for the job too. Gotta get some quality competition behind him, and hope that a good QB is available in the draft next year.
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He sounds fairly confident in our WR's... I am confident with them too..
Mitchell however sounds like he could be out of the door.. If we add another WR in the draft.. it would be hard to keep him on the 53.
I guess that all depends on what your expectations are.
If we want to be the team with the worst group of WR's in the League, then we can accomplish that, by doing nothing.
I don't see us doing nothing and if what we tried to get and where out bid in FA is any indication (and I think that it is), then some of our last years WR, could be in jeopardy of being cut.
My money is on Mitchell over Moe, because of what he looked like in the final few games. He had the body language of a (WR) guy that seemed like the light was coming on (also looked good in run blocking too), but how do we know that he wasn't ready earlier? He didn't get an opportunity before the end of last season.
All I know is that we can't possibly go into next season without upgrading this position. I have high expectations.
I understand your nepotism and all with Moe, but just don't get your hopes too high. I had high hopes for him too at on time, but those hopes have faded for me.
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I wouldn't doubt it for a second.
The offense was disgusting last year - as in, epically bad... but almost, kinda, remotely understandably.
If it were to somehow actually manage to get worse than what it was, we need to clean house of the entire front office and ALL players.
I agree....and screw getting worse....it can even get better and the jokers might need to be discarded from the deck.
A marginal improvement isn't going to cut it. If we start scoring 27 points a game, I can live with a close loss. We keep screwing around scoring 19 a game and these guys need to go.
I'd also say every once in a while you need to pour on 40 points...shows you can do it. I can't even remember scoring 40 points in a game...surely we have since the return....maybe when Holcomb got his few starts.
The point is we can't be satisfied with crap any longer. Other teams show signs of turning it around in a couple of years, now it's our turn. If we win less than 8 games, this crowd needs to hit the road.
At this point I am asking for 50%. It isn't that hard to win 5 home games and 3 on the road.
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How many could endure one more season of losing football if you knew it would set the Browns up to draft the best QB in the 2013 draft?
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First, I don't have any respect for Shurmur's opinions.
Second, I can't believe he's excited to see Momass and Carlton Mitchell back. Momass maybe as a 4th or 5th reciever... What has Mitchell ever done?
Third, way to stand behind your QB the Shurm...
Fourth, I can't wait till you're gone Shurmur.
Yeah,, let's fire them all and start over again on another 5 year plan that will only last 2 then let's do it all again..
Call me crazy all you want Daman, I don't see Shurmur as a viable HC. He's a dolt.
Seeing Shurmur as a bad head coach that needs to be replaced isnt that same are replacing the whole FO. Coaches are fired all the time Team Presidents I dont read about so much and they control the Front office.
Mike is already hedging his bets with Childress and Juron being here, both having previous experance as HC's and Childress knowing the WCO.
If you need 3 years to be a winner you got here 2 years to early. Get it done Browns.
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Last time I remember us pouring it on was against Detriot and we ended up losing that game.  Cant remember but we were up like 3 TDS at the half something crazy like that then it all fell apart. Only posting that because its the first game popped in my head reading your post.
If you need 3 years to be a winner you got here 2 years to early. Get it done Browns.
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* On running backs David Wilson of Virginia Tech and Isaiah Pead of Cincinnati, whom the Browns will visit with before the draft: "These guys are getting a lot of production. It's fair to say'' you can find a good back in later rounds. "It's a critical position.''
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How many could endure one more season of losing football if you knew it would set the Browns up to draft the best QB in the 2013 draft?
I'm all in, and I think we'll make a good run at it.
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How many could endure one more season of losing football if you knew it would set the Browns up to draft the best QB in the 2013 draft?
Nice thought...problem is...we wont know....when a top5 pick with tons of other picks to move around didn't get it done this draft, why should that be possible next draft? If we suck as bad or worse as this season chances are that nobody from this regime will be around anymore
Remember 1 year ago?...I asked why Colt should get 2011 as the undisputed starter...homers answered: well, he's in his tailor made WCO now...if he sucks, we'll be picking high enough to get our franchise QB with the extra picks from Atlanta  ....and here I am reading that same crap again?
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Lip serves? ... We shall see.
Blackmon is good.. I think what makes him even more attractiver to the front office is we could get him and keep him from joining the Rams.
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I know you boys aren't stupid but I still have to ask the question.....You do realize that what you say or think doesn't have a thing to do with what the front office will or won't do regarding the coaching staff and/or players before or after the 2012 season, right? I see you and others make these declarative statements about what the FO HAS to do if we don't win enough games for your liking. The problem with all that is I think Lerner is in with these guys for the long haul. I personally think Holmgren is here until he decides his retirement home in Seattle can't wait any longer. I also believe that Shurmur is safe barring a catastrophic season. Face it - all the cards say that neither of these guys is going anywhere any time soon. I mean, honestly, if Lerner cans Mike Holmgren after just 3 seasons of trying to resurrect the turd that he was handed (from Lerner) what decent football guy do you think is gonna want to come here? Honestly, you might as well take your blood pressure medicine (mine is Bulleit 95 Rye, BTW  ), relax and hope for the best. Because contemplating the worst just isn't gonna do anyone any good. Just my $.02
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I look at it this way: with a full off-season in this offense and, hopefully, some shiny new weapons to go with it, the offense can't get any worse than it was in 2011. Right? RIGHT??
If the offense gets worse, we'll be looking for new front office types.
Guaranteed.
13 PPG is inexcusable. Worse would be fatal.(from a career standpoint)
Honestly, I doubt that's even remotely true or accurate.
If you think that there wouldn't be serious and cutting changes made to this team if we score in the 13 points per game range again next year then I don't know what to tell you.
At the very least I think that the Walrus would make a deal that would make Washington hesitate to get a QB if we still don't have one, because if he doesn't get a QB, this isn't turning around, and if this doesn't turn around, he leaves as a failure.
We could see a truly stupid deal like 5 first round picks traded for a sub par #1 overall like Barkley just out of sheer desperation.
That's if these guys still had jobs.
If our offense is still at that level of ineptitude, they very well might all be shown the door.
13 PPG is historically bad. We were there this past year. If we're there next year, I think that the proverbial crap hits the fan .... hard.
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Because contemplating the worst just isn't gonna do anyone any good.
I always thought that was the theme on this board 
Even when something good happens to this team, someone finds, or creates a negative side to it.........it is actually hilarious.
These are the same guys who laugh at the Bengals........who seem to beat us every year. See I did it myself............
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Lip serves? ... We shall see.
Blackmon is good.. I think what makes him even more attractiver to the front office is we could get him and keep him from joining the Rams.
I'm doing my next mock w/ us getting Blackmon.
That's a plus for sure.
I had a thought on the way home from work tonight, that what if the Redskins and Griffen where to meet the Rams down the road in the playoffs say for the Conference title and lost.
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They'd still have been in the conference championship game, which is further than we've been in 25 years.
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They'd still have been in the conference championship game, which is further than we've been in 25 years.
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Or worse yet what if when Washington and the Browns play this year they both hold the worse record in the league and are playing for the 1st pick in the draft.  Rams would be like WOOT we got Washington for 3 1sts last year for the 2nd pick We OWN the top picks in the draft for the next 3 years. 
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Or worse yet what if when Washington and the Browns play this year they both hold the worse record in the league and are playing for the 1st pick in the draft.
Rams would be like WOOT we got Washington for 3 1sts last year for the 2nd pick We OWN the top picks in the draft for the next 3 years.
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Lip serves? ... We shall see.
Blackmon is good.. I think what makes him even more attractiver to the front office is we could get him and keep him from joining the Rams.
I'm doing my next mock w/ us getting Blackmon.
That's a plus for sure.
I had a thought on the way home from work tonight, that what if the Redskins and Griffen where to meet the Rams down the road in the playoffs say for the Conference title and lost.
That would be befitting karma
Or that the Redskins end up with the #1 overall picks in each of the next two (2013 and 2014) drafts and have dealt the first overall picks in consecutive years for a bunch of hype?
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I see you and others make these declarative statements about what the FO HAS to do if we don't win enough games for your liking. The problem with all that is I think Lerner is in with these guys for the long haul.
I agree completely. Lerner has given control to MH and you haven't heard a peep out of him since then. This is the quietest he has ever been. I mean Mangini didn't make it one season and the guy was making presser after presser. Even after this last horrible season you haven't seen or heard a word out of Lerner.....Mike is the guy responsible for speaking for the team.
Yep, you are 100% correct MH is the guy for at least another 2 years. PS could be axed, but it would have to be a disaster of a season for it to happen. The good news is Lerner has finally learned to leave football people alone and give them time. Now, is MH the right guy for the job??.......to be determined. I like the fact that Lerner is done listening to the fans and media that want instant results, because they just aren't going to happen........and it prolongs the agony changing systems every 2-3 years as well. However, if MH is the guy for the job or not is the question. I've seen some things I've liked (hiring TH for example and the draft/FA strategy), and some things I don't like (keeping EM around when that was never a marriage that was going to work).
Unlike most of the other regimes that we've had since 99 though MH and Co. will get a legitimate shot at building their program I have no doubt.
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.You do realize that what you say or think doesn't have a thing to do with what the front office will or won't do regarding the coaching staff and/or players before or after the 2012 season, right?
I see you and others make these declarative statements about what the FO HAS to do if we don't win enough games for your liking. The problem with all that is I think Lerner is in with these guys for the long haul.
I agree completely. Lerner has given control to MH and you haven't heard a peep out of him since then. This is the quietest he has ever been. I mean Mangini didn't make it one season and the guy was making presser after presser. Even after this last horrible season you haven't seen or heard a word out of Lerner.....Mike is the guy responsible for speaking for the team.
Yep, you are 100% correct MH is the guy for at least another 2 years. PS could be axed, but it would have to be a disaster of a season for it to happen. The good news is Lerner has finally learned to leave football people alone and give them time. Now, is MH the right guy for the job??.......to be determined. I like the fact that Lerner is done listening to the fans and media that want instant results, because they just aren't going to happen........and it prolongs the agony changing systems every 2-3 years as well. However, if MH is the guy for the job or not is the question. I've seen some things I've liked (hiring TH for example and the draft/FA strategy), and some things I don't like (keeping EM around when that was never a marriage that was going to work).
Unlike most of the other regimes that we've had since 99 though MH and Co. will get a legitimate shot at building their program I have no doubt.
+1 
If you need 3 years to be a winner you got here 2 years to early. Get it done Browns.
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I wouldn't doubt it for a second.
The offense was disgusting last year - as in, epically bad... but almost, kinda, remotely understandably.
If it were to somehow actually manage to get worse than what it was, we need to clean house of the entire front office and ALL players.
I agree....and screw getting worse....it can even get better and the jokers might need to be discarded from the deck.
A marginal improvement isn't going to cut it. If we start scoring 27 points a game, I can live with a close loss. We keep screwing around scoring 19 a game and these guys need to go.
I think you better start preparing yourself for a season very similar to last season. You and YTown might want to start a support group. Even with an excellent draft - which I'm expecting from Heckert - this team is still at least two years away from being 8-8. The reasons are right in front of us:
1. No QB.
2. Excruciatingly tough division. Everyone always says "I don't understand how other teams can turn it around". Well, here is the single biggest reason. They don't play the Steelers and Rats twice a year. This circumstance is pure bad luck. It is what it is.
3. Not one single playmaker on offense (and altho that might change with the draft, don't look for it to change the record).
Take comfort in this ... and DJ is trying to drive this point home ... and it really is relevant. After this draft, we will have the most young, up and coming talent this team has had since the return. We will be in a much better position long term. We will actually have a foundation. We will have a chance once we turn the corner of some sustained success.
There are only a couple of things that can help get us to 8-8 this year:
1. McCoy pulls a Brees ... would love to see it. Not holding my breath.
2. Draft Richardson. As much as I would love this pick, I'm not even sure if this is the best pick long-term for us. Richardson instantly transforms this O.
Otto, I agree that MH isn't going anywhere. Heckert either. But if we average 13ppg again, Shurmur is done. I'd be willing to bet a case of your favorite beer on it.
And judging from what I saw of Shurmur's "O" last year, I think 13pts is very attainable. Dumbest O in the NFL, hands down.
LOL - The Rish will be upset with this news as well. KS just doesn't prioritize winning...
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this team is still at least two years away from being 8-8.
I can't see how four consecutive years of sub-.500 football from a guy who told us things like "5-11 is intolerable" and "things are different now, I promise" will be considered acceptable in any way by Randy.
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