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http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82...module=News_CP=In the end, the Cleveland Browns didn't pull off a deal for the St. Louis Rams' No. 2 pick -- and the rights to draft Robert Griffin III -- but that doesn't mean the teams are done working together. The tables have turned. Jeff Fisher and the Rams now sit at No. 6, staring up at the Browns' No. 4 pick in next month's draft. St. Louis is in desperate need of a receiver to pair with young quarterback Sam Bradford, and hanging around at the sixth spot could cost them a chance at Oklahoma State's Justin Blackmon. Unlock HQ Video HQ video delivered by Akamai Fisher acknowledged to The Plain Dealer that Cleveland looms as a realistic trade partner. "Yeah, I would think so," Fisher said Wednesday at the NFL Annual Meeting in Palm Beach, Fla. "I don't know if we'd consider going that high. Those conversations aren't going to take place until draft day because your guy's got to be there. It'll be interesting to see what kind of compensation they want. We're very happy with the compensation we've got right now over the next couple of years." Browns president Mike Holmgren recently spoke about being blocked from the deal for the Rams' second pick, citing Fisher's close relationship with Mike Shanahan and the Redskins, who sealed the trade by handing over this year's No. 6 and first-round picks in 2013 and 2014. Fisher swatted away Holmgren's story: "I didn't pay much attention to his comments. They were very fruitful discussions. They are a potential trade partner with us." Fisher then dropped this gem: Multiple teams have inquired about trading for Bradford, who enters his third season as the Rams' starter. Fisher wouldn't say if Cleveland was involved in those talks, but there is a connection there with Browns coach Pat Shurmur, who served as Bradford's offensive coordinator during the quarterback's rookie season in 2010. They couldn't make it work the first time around, but for the Rams and Browns, there might be a second chapter at play. Something to monitor.
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I hope we make a deal with them.
Swap picks this year and next years 1st. Seems fair after the Redskins deal.
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I really feel that if Blackmon, Richardson, and Claiborne are all there when we are on the clock at 4 that if we get a decent offer from the Rams we're trading down...
I personally think that we want either Richardson or Claiborne... so I can see us trading back to 6, let the Rams take Blackmon, and then get either a top notch RB or CB (who ever is left after Tampa picks).
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In the end, the Cleveland Browns didn't pull off a deal for the St. Louis Rams' No. 2 pick -- and the rights to draft Robert Griffin III -- but that doesn't mean the teams are done working together.
The tables have turned. Jeff Fisher and the Rams now sit at No. 6, staring up at the Browns' No. 4 pick in next month's draft. St. Louis is in desperate need of a receiver to pair with young quarterback Sam Bradford, and hanging around at the sixth spot could cost them a chance at Oklahoma State's Justin Blackmon.
Fisher acknowledged to The Plain Dealer that Cleveland looms as a realistic trade partner.
"Yeah, I would think so," Fisher said Wednesday at the NFL Annual Meeting in Palm Beach, Fla. "I don't know if we'd consider going that high. Those conversations aren't going to take place until draft day because your guy's got to be there. It'll be interesting to see what kind of compensation they want. We're very happy with the compensation we've got right now over the next couple of years."
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I said the day they did their deal with the Skins they just screwed themselves out of a chance to land Blackmon, unless they come to the Browns asking to trade.
If I'm Holmgren, I pit the Rams against one or two other teams looking to trade up for Blackmon, then I take an offer from one of those other teams, even if it's less than the Rams offer....
...OR, I play the Rams off other teams interested in trading up for Blackmon..he should be worth the Rams 2nd round pick or at least the 2nd round pick the Rams got from the Skins.
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I really feel that if Blackmon, Richardson, and Claiborne are all there when we are on the clock at 4 that if we get a decent offer from the Rams we're trading down...
I personally think that we want either Richardson or Claiborne... so I can see us trading back to 6, let the Rams take Blackmon, and then get either a top notch RB or CB (who ever is left after Tampa picks).
That's exactly what I envision happening as well, especially if Claiborne is their guy.
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I have said this before and I will say it again and will probably say it again in the future. The Rams have 2 1st round picks in next year's draft. I don't move down to 6 unless they pony up one of those 2.
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I don't believe the Rams would even consider that proposition.
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I don't believe the Rams would even consider that proposition.
Me either.. I do think Blackmon is a top 5 pick and I understand that you don't.. but I don't see the drop off from Blackmon to the next best WR as worthy of an additional #1 pick, and that is essentially what you would be asking for..
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I would ask for one of their firsts next year or one of their seconds this year and their second next year.
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How about if we trade down with them for a second round pick this year, and a 3rd round pick next year, then Trade down again for somebody else's 1st round pick next year 
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Sure..we can then pick the best G, C, ILB or FB and there's always next draft 
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I don't see the drop off from Blackmon to the next best WR as worthy of an additional #1 pick
Likewise, though I hope the Rams see differently.
How nice would that ultimately be...Two different organizations benefit heavily from the stOOpidity of Daniel Snyder. 
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Sure..we can then pick the best G, C, ILB or FB and there's always next draft
I would prefer a RT, OLB, WR, and RB
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Sure..we can then pick the best G, C, ILB or FB and there's always next draft
I would prefer a RT, OLB, WR, and RB
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J/C I find this conversation pretty hilarious. Justin Blackmon in some of your opinions isn't worthy of our 4th selection, yet some of the same folks are speculating, that the Rams might trade up for his rights with our 4th selection, sighting their need for a go to WR. Like we don't also need one.  Perhaps it's all wrongful speculation, that Blackmon is the prospect that the Rams so covet. If the Vikings trade away their 3rd pick, then in all likelihood it could be for QB Ryan Tannehill allowing Kalil to fall to the 4th selection. This scenario would probably be what the Rams would like to trade up for. If the Vikings stay at 3, then I think they will take Kalil. If this is how the draft shakes out I don't think that there is much of a chance to trade down to 6 with the Rams. If we don't take Blackmon at 4, then he will most likely fall to the Rams at 6 anyway.
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I don't believe the Rams would even consider that proposition.
Me either.. I do think Blackmon is a top 5 pick and I understand that you don't.. but I don't see the drop off from Blackmon to the next best WR as worthy of an additional #1 pick, and that is essentially what you would be asking for..
Maybe they would, maybe not. Don't know without asking.
Also I don't think that they would trade up for Blackmon. I think they would be just as happy with Floyd. I think that they only make the trade to move up to #4 is Kalil is available there. Whether that is because Minnesota takes Blackmon or someone trades up to #3 to take Tannehill.
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I would trade with the Rams for the #6 pick, their 2nd round pick, and a 4th next year.
Any less and I "really have to think about how much I like a certain receiver", even though I don't want us to draft him.
I would bet that Tampa Bay might be interested in trading up for Claiborne as well ......... so maybe we do a trade to 5 ..... then a trade to 6 .........
Unlikely, but possible.
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What happened to all the people who would never trade with the Rams?
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Sure..we can then pick the best G, C, ILB or FB and there's always next draft
I would prefer a RT, OLB, WR, and RB
Hows Johnathan Martin, Lovante David, Mohamed Sanu, and Isaiah Pead sound..?
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What happened to all the people who would never trade with the Rams?
Some of us calmed down a little.  
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I don't see the drop off from Blackmon to the next best WR as worthy of an additional #1 pick
Likewise, though I hope the Rams see differently.
How nice would that ultimately be...Two different organizations benefit heavily from the stOOpidity of Daniel Snyder.
Generally speaking, I think Snyder is an idiot for the moves he makes.. always looking for the big splash.. But on this one, he may have hit the jackpot.. we'll see..
But yeah, we trade down to 6, pick up another pick lower in the draft this year and another 1st rounder next year... Don't know if they'd do it, ,but damn, that would be a haul as long as the guy we really want is still gonna be there at 6.... then all is good..
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I find this conversation pretty hilarious.
Justin Blackmon in some of your opinions isn't worthy of our 4th selection, yet some of the same folks are speculating, that the Rams might trade up for his rights with our 4th selection, sighting their need for a go to WR.
Like we don't also need one.
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I don't see why the Rams would want to give up much if anything to trade with us. At least one of Blackmon, Claiborne, or Richardson will be on the board at 6. All the speculation is centered on them wanting Blackmon but they could pair Claiborne with Finnegan just as easily as we could with Haden, and Steven Jackson will be 29 years old when the season starts in a league where RBs usually don't last much past 30.
They will also probably have more trade down offers at 6.
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I think that if the Rams come calling and they offer us a good deal, we take it. As much as I'd like to screw them over for screwing us over (if that's in fact what happened), I look for a way to make my team better. In other words, I wouldn't take a worse deal just to spite the Rams. I do what's going to help the Browns.
That being said, I think that Richardson is our pick and I think we're worried that the Bucs will take him if we trade down to 6. I think Claiborne would be our pick then (I really don't see a way we take Tannehill with our first pick), but I think he's the "consolation" prize, at least from the view of many fans. And, I think this FO feels that our defense can be adequate without 2 shutdown corners.
Instead, our offense needs so much help, I think we're going to take offense with our first pick. So, it's either going to be Blackmon or Richardson. If we trade down to 6, there is a very good chance, IMO, that they're both gone by then.
As for trading for Bradford, I'm not sure I necessarily see that happening at all. No real reason for it.
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Dont know what it was but i never liked Bradford. Just something in his game that made me think bust from day 1 and I never could figure it out.
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I think the Rams really want Blackmon. And we should give him to them. All for a wealthy price :evillaugh:
The Vikings hold the key though. If they don't pick kalil, I doubt we get a call.
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Sure..we can then pick the best G, C, ILB or FB and there's always next draft
I would prefer a RT, OLB, WR, and RB
Hows Johnathan Martin, Lovante David, Mohamed Sanu, and Isaiah Pead sound..?
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Sure..we can then pick the best G, C, ILB or FB and there's always next draft
I would prefer a RT, OLB, WR, and RB
Hows Johnathan Martin, Lovante David, Mohamed Sanu, and Isaiah Pead sound..?
Sounds like 6-10 to me...
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Dont know what it was but i never liked Bradford. Just something in his game that made me think bust from day 1 and I never could figure it out.
I wasn't a big fan either.
My preference at QB, no matter what offense we run, is for a big armed QB who can make all of the throws, and do so with accuracy, showing anticipation and an ability to throw a receiver open. Yeah .... that's about perfect right there.
I'm not all that crazy about the guy who gets by on intangibles ........ hell, I wouldn't have been all that excited about us getting Bernie when we did if I hadn't gone to school with the guy. (Yeah, I was a Boardman Spartan homer)
Out of all of the QBs we've had parade through here since 1999, the closest to my ideal would have to be Anderson. That's not to say that he was my perfect QB ..... but that ability to make a team pay from anywhere on the field ..... man, I love that type of ability. I love knowing that the next play, no matter where we are on the field, could be a TD. That's gotta be the closest I have come in 20 years to knowing what a Colts fan feels like ...... or a fan of the Steelers with Roethlisberger ...... or other QBs who can actually make plays down the field instead of playing steady dump off.
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So you wouldn't want Bradford, is that what you're saying?
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I find this conversation pretty hilarious.
Justin Blackmon in some of your opinions isn't worthy of our 4th selection, yet some of the same folks are speculating, that the Rams might trade up for his rights with our 4th selection, sighting their need for a go to WR.
Like we don't also need one.
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So you wouldn't want Bradford, is that what you're saying?
I would have been OK with us getting him based upon Holmgren's reputation ....... but he's not my ideal QB, no.
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I thought he was an injury prone over rated spread QB. My opinion on Bradford hasn't changed.
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So you wouldn't want Bradford, is that what you're saying?
I would have been OK with us getting him based upon Holmgren's reputation ....... but he's not my ideal QB, no.
I like what Brian Billick said about taking a 1st rd QB (Tannehill was the discussion).
He said if you are convinced he will be a Franchise QB and has all the tools to BECOME one, then you take him anywhere you have to, it wont matter where if he pans out. BUT.. He said M. Holmgren as a coach, GM or President in the NFL of 30 years has NEVER taken a 1st rd QB and if he MISSES.. he loses his QB guru card forever.
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In the end, the Cleveland Browns didn't pull off a deal for the St. Louis Rams' No. 2 pick -- and the rights to draft Robert Griffin III -- but that doesn't mean the teams are done working together.
The tables have turned. Jeff Fisher and the Rams now sit at No. 6, staring up at the Browns' No. 4 pick in next month's draft. St. Louis is in desperate need of a receiver to pair with young quarterback Sam Bradford, and hanging around at the sixth spot could cost them a chance at Oklahoma State's Justin Blackmon.
Fisher acknowledged to The Plain Dealer that Cleveland looms as a realistic trade partner.
"Yeah, I would think so," Fisher said Wednesday at the NFL Annual Meeting in Palm Beach, Fla. "I don't know if we'd consider going that high. Those conversations aren't going to take place until draft day because your guy's got to be there. It'll be interesting to see what kind of compensation they want. We're very happy with the compensation we've got right now over the next couple of years."
Kind of a smug answer by Fisher...
I said the day they did their deal with the Skins they just screwed themselves out of a chance to land Blackmon, unless they come to the Browns asking to trade.
If I'm Holmgren, I pit the Rams against one or two other teams looking to trade up for Blackmon, then I take an offer from one of those other teams, even if it's less than the Rams offer....
...OR, I play the Rams off other teams interested in trading up for Blackmon..he should be worth the Rams 2nd round pick or at least the 2nd round pick the Rams got from the Skins.
It doesn't really matter because there are two teams ahead of the Rams (actually 3, if you consider Minnesota) who will likely will be fielding calls.
I can think that only TB would even look to trade up to Minnesota for their man (who would be either Richardson or Claiborne). I don't see Minnesota taking that deal (although they could) because they would likely miss out on the LT that they need so badly. Cleveland would likely be fielding calls for Kalil (or even selecting him if he's there) if he fell to them and would make the deal that makes the most sense.
The Browns, if Blackmon, Richardson and Claiborne are all there could take any of them or trade down to the team offering the most. If it's St. Louis, I see the Browns demanding a hefty price. If the Browns traded to St. Louis, they should demand nothing less than a swap of firsts this year and both of St. Louis' second rounders this year and their 2nd rounders in each of the next two seasons. Leave them the first rounders, since that's what they wanted from Washington to make the trade. But, force them to give up those 2nd rounders for the next two drafts. You might even add conditional picks in there like - if St. Louis makes the playoffs in the following seasons that they give up their 4th rounders as well or if they make it to the Super Bowl, they surrender their 3rd rounders. Yeah, I'd make them pay it - otherwise, we deal with someone else for less.
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I would have been OK with us getting him based upon Holmgren's reputation ....... but he's not my ideal QB, no.
I like what Brian Billick said about taking a 1st rd QB (Tannehill was the discussion).
He said if you are convinced he will be a Franchise QB and has all the tools to BECOME one, then you take him anywhere you have to, it wont matter where if he pans out. BUT.. He said M. Holmgren as a coach, GM or President in the NFL of 30 years has NEVER taken a 1st rd QB and if he MISSES.. he loses his QB guru card forever.
Who was it that drafted Boller?
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Who was it that drafted Boller?
A guy whom I don't think ever had a QB Guru card to lose.
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Yep.. He knows. He said if you miss, you end up as a commentator on the NFL channel instead of doing it for real and just "POTENTIAL" in a first rd QB can get you fired.
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