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I don't have time to confirm this but didn't Texas A&M have leads in the 4th Quarter in every game this year? I thought I read that somewhere. And if so isn't that what you're asking your QB to give you?
I know I would be ok with 4th Quarter leads in every game. And if we lost I might be asking the defense a question or two.
Just providing some perspective.
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I'm not sure the answer to that specific question, but they were down going into the 4th quarter in 3 games (all 3 were losses).
Oklahoma State 24-20
Oklahoma 41-10
Texas 24-16
As I was looking that up, I saw that TA&M played 6 ranked teams this past season and in those games, Tannehill had 15 TDs and 12 INT. Remove Baylor, and he had 9 TDs and 11 INT. That's a little concerning. That being said, in the other games against non-ranked opponents, he had 14 TDs and 3 INT.
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I don't have time to confirm this but didn't Texas A&M have leads in the 4th Quarter in every game this year? I thought I read that somewhere. And if so isn't that what you're asking your QB to give you?
I know I would be ok with 4th Quarter leads in every game. And if we lost I might be asking the defense a question or two.
Just providing some perspective.
since I did the breakdown for the OkieState game, take a look at what happened to him when the WR fumbled the ball. he looked good until that point, then pressed/choked/whatever-you-want-to-call-it the rest of the way.
A&M did not have a good defense but Tannehill didn't do them any favors down the stretch either.
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I know I would be ok with 4th Quarter leads in every game. And if we lost I might be asking the defense a question or two.
Didn't we have a bunch of leads heading into the 4th quarter last year? ... or, was that Mangini's last season?
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Fair enough.
I didn't follow A&M during the year so I got caught up in the group think that Tannehill would be a second rounder. Then I took a look and found some elite throws on film which project a guy with that skill set as a top end QB prospect.
That is all.
I just hope that if he is taken at 4 by us that the fanbase will accept that and that he has the opportunity to sit at least till the bye week.
If we draft him I don't want him fed to the top 5 defenses that reside in our division just yet. And that went the same for RG3.
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I think you have to score before you can have leads lol 
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So does the thread number indicate what version of Tannehill we could get ?
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I think so.
Version 1 of Tannehill was the college wide receiver, version 2 was the college quarterback, version 3 is an NFL quarterback that throws himself passes?
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I know I would be ok with 4th Quarter leads in every game. And if we lost I might be asking the defense a question or two.
Both the offense and defense have to play 4 quarters, I don't care what the score is.
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LOL.. ok, so I'll add to the posts and maybe by draft day ( just in case ) we will be up to v4 or even 5. Maybe his hands will grow 3/8" by v5 so TOAD won't think we are drafting a QB that throws like Yepremian. 
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I think you have to score before you can have leads lol
Well actually we did lose a few games this year with 4th quarter leads.
The 1st Bengals game at home sticks out in my mind, but I'm pretty sure that there where some others (Titans?).
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By the 4th in the titans game, i think most browns fans were busy burning their Colt McCoy jersey's.
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It's going to suck when they have to buy them all over again..I guess it will be worth it if he ends up having a breakout year and we are winning games with him under center. That's all as fans that we can ask for after all. 
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Eagles, Chiefs jump into the Tannehill tourney Posted by Mike Florio on April 2, 2012, 8:00 AM EDT With quarterbacks Andrew Luck and Robert Griffin III already spoken for (barring an incredibly unlikely and unforeseen development), the top remaining quarterback on the board is Ryan Tannehill. With the Browns (at No. 4) and the Dolphins (at No. 8) and the Seahawks (at No. 12) all apparently very interested in the converted receover whom Greg Cosell believes is more accurate on the run than Luck or Griffin, Peter King of SI.com points out in his brand-new MMQB column that the Eagles and Chiefs will each put Tannehill through a private workout. Both already appeared on our visits and workouts tracker, but the dates hadn’t been set. Per King, the Eagles will check out Tannehill on Monday, and he’ll work out for the Chiefs later in the week. So what does it mean? Based on history, it’s hard to say. This is the time for smokescreens and misdirections, with teams talking up players they don’t like (in the hopes someone higher in the order will take them) and saying bad things about players they hope will slip down the board. But both the Chiefs (at No. 11) and the Eagles (at No. 15) were interested in Peyton Manning, Kansas City admittedly and Philly reportedly. And so each team has to at least be contemplating the possibility of making a move up to land a new quarterback. The question is how high will they need to go? With the Browns believed to be interested at No. 4, the safest strategy would be to move to No. 3, which would duplicate the 1-2-3 quarterback class of 1999, when Tim Couch, Donovan McNabb, and Akili Smith came off the board in back-to-back-to-back fashion. Of that class from thirteen years ago, only one of those three quarterbacks ever turned out to be anything. (Some would say none out of those three.) This year, the Colts, Redskins, and a team to be determined will be counting on a much higher success rate.
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version 3 is an NFL quarterback that throws himself passes?
woah, I didn't think that feature was going to get added until v.4.0!! 
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Version 4 is Tannehill transforms into Tim Tebow.
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woah, I didn't think that feature was going to get added until v.4.0!!
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Version 4 is Tannehill transforms into Tim Tebow.
I thought that he was going to transform into Derek Anderson.
I'm so confused as to who is supposed to be who anymore ..... 
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but gets traded to the NY Giants
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I think if he is taken by us (whenever he is taken) that our FO and coaches are strong enough to ignore the fans and play him when they feel he is ready (barring injuries like what happend to Colt his rookie year).
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saw this gem from McShay today: Quote:
In the end, the answer could have less to do with Tannehill and how the Browns feel about some of the second-tier quarterbacks on the board. Cleveland also picks 22nd overall, and at that point will likely have its choice from a group that includes Oklahoma State's Brandon Weeden, Michigan State's Kirk Cousins and Arizona's Nick Foles, all of whom belong in the top 40 picks.
Really? - I think if Miami trades up for Tannehill before draft day, the media will start talking about Brandon Weeden at #4, it's getting ridiculous.
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There is no QB worthy of 2nd round consideration past the big 3. I might actually go root for Buffalo if we were to waste the 22nd pick on one of those bums. Hell I already like Fitzpatrick, Johnson and Super Mario lol.
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And yet you want to pick Tannehill at 4...
I am unfamiliar with this feeling of optimism
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Absolutely, in 5 years, Tannehill has a very good chance to be a top 10 QB in this league. 5 years from now, Cousins will be a backup, Osweiller will be coaching highschool ball and Weeden will be filing for social security.
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It's been awhile, so let me repost: http://espn.go.com/college-football/player/gamelog/_/id/232059/ryan-tannehillbest pass defenses he faced last year were OkieState, Arkansas, Oklahoma, K-State, and Texas in those games (all losses): 59% 2TD 3 INT 71% 0TD 1 INT 50% 2TD 3 INT 59% 3TD 1 INT 41% 2TD 3 INT *All of those above numbers with one of the best running games in the country More pressing was how he handled things when something bad happened on the field. Against Ok-State a WR fumbled a ball early in the 2nd half that led to the Cowboys coming back (they had already scored once that half). After that fumble, Tannehill looked terrible and made terrible decisions. This was not the only game he fell apart on the year either. He has 1st round "tools" but he does not have 1st round "makeup" Especially in this city, we need both. I'd rather roll with a mid-round QB and use the prime draft picks to fix other areas of the team (because I don't think QB gets fixed with Tannehill).
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Absolutely, in 5 years, Tannehill has a very good chance to be a top 10 QB in this league. 5 years from now, Cousins will be a backup, Osweiller will be coaching highschool ball and Weeden will be filing for social security.
I hope we can all check this five years from now...
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The comparison between Tannehill and Anderson is worrisome to me, given that Anderson's accuracy and inability to handle pressure in his face was his downfall.
if I had to put a percentage on Tannehill being a star, I would put it about 20-25%. I see a lot of holes in his game, which have been outlined, and I don't think that those are the odds to take at #4.
Man he worries me .... especially if he goes to Cleveland where he can't sit for a couple of years. I don't see him ever becoming a top QB ...... but if he winds up in Cleveland then I really don't see him becoming anything at all. I want no part of him.
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If you had to...
What NFL QB would you compare Tannehill to?
Me...
I think the best comparison would be Matt Schaub.
He obviously has better athleticism but I think that's a fair comparison.
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The others I'd consider are Matt Ryan and Tony Romo.
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a faster version of Mark Sanchez?
his ceiling is a guy like Romo (that you mentioned). but, his floor is a guy like Tavaris that Toad mentioned (well, technically it could be lower, but I'm willing to give him this one). there's alot of wiggle room in between.
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And before you chuckle, if you're being realistic, here's a scouting report with Jackson's name taken out and Tannehill's inserted. It sure looks like a real possibility in the future:
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Comment: [tannehill] has good size and a strong arm with enough athleticism to move the chains with his legs. He continues to be raw and show his lack of accuracy. His footwork has improved. He can improvise and make plays. [tannehill] has the tools to continue to develop but at some point the [team] need's to make a decision whether he is their quarterback for the future.
That's Scouts Inc.
Both guys ran in the 4'6's. Both guys make plays with their legs. Both guys throw from 3/4's. Both guys have strong arms. Both guys came to the NFL very raw. Both guys have iffy footwork and mechanics. Both guys started their final college season's as developmental prospects. Jackson went from a 6th round guy to a guy taken in the 2nd round based on upside. Tannehill has gone from a 2nd or 3rd round guy to the top of the 1st round based on upside.
Here's another scouting report about jackson from 2006. Sure looks like a photo copy of Tannehill's: Quote:
BIO: Second-team All-Conference selection who totaled 60.9%/2,941/29/5 as a senior.
POSITIVES: Athletic passer who took his game to another level last year. Displays improved field sense, has a strong arm and drives the ball into targets. Puts air under corner patterns and lets receivers run to the ball. Does not force passes into coverage and displays toughness running with the ball. Escapes the rush and loses nothing throwing on the move.
NEGATIVES: Erratic with his accuracy and usually high off the mark or behind receivers. Shaky under pressure, rarely sets his feet and takes off out of the pocket too quickly.
I think it's a very fair comparison.
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Probably Tony Romo or a Ryan Fitzpatrick would be the best comparison at this point.
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Tarvaris Jackson.
Well, if we want an underdeveloped Tavaris Jackson, why don't we just trade for Tavaris Jackson? I would think that the Seahags would move him for a 5th or 6th round pick .... and we have a bunch of those. Since the Hags signed Flynn, they should be willing to move Jackson.
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Ryan Fitzpatrick would be the best comparison at this point.
I hope you aren't serious about wanting this guy at 4 if that is what you think Mourg.
After 6 seasons He has completed 59% of his career passes, 68TD-65int with a 75QB rating and 32 fumbles..
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What NFL QB would you compare Tannehill to?
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I think the best comparison would be Matt Schaub.
He obviously has better athleticism but I think that's a fair comparison.
That's a pretty tough question.
I can't think of any whom hop around like Peter Cotton Tail at the end of their drops.
Drop, plant and throw. Nowhere is there supposed to be drop, hop, hop and throw.
That's worse then patting the ball imo.
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I have a film review report comparing him to Eli Manning...yeah, it's optimstic but both will need some time to fully reach their (high) ceiling
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I know I would be ok with 4th Quarter leads in every game. And if we lost I might be asking the defense a question or two.
Didn't we have a bunch of leads heading into the 4th quarter last year? ... or, was that Mangini's last season?
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Tell me about it. 
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I don't have time to confirm this but didn't Texas A&M have leads in the 4th Quarter in every game this year? I thought I read that somewhere. And if so isn't that what you're asking your QB to give you?
I know I would be ok with 4th Quarter leads in every game. And if we lost I might be asking the defense a question or two.
Just providing some perspective.
It's good stuff to talk about. Thanks for sharing that. This is just my goofy take. I worry about the QB prospects that climb way up the draft projection boards at the last minute. These are the defenses that Tannehill was treated to (and where they stood up against 120 other Div IA Defenses):
RANK TEAM TOT YDS YPG
61. Missouri 4587 382.25
62. Oklahoma 4598 383.17
66. Texas A&M 4638 386.50
74. Kansas St. 4785 398.75
99. Iowa St. 5188 432.33
107. Oklahoma St.5348 445.67
114. Baylor 5730 477.50
115. Texas Tech 5827 485.58
120. Kansas 6197 516.42
This doesn't always work but it's something I have fun with. I like to see what a QB does with a margin of error he's provided with especially since Cleveland is rarely favored on game day. Oklahoma State's Brandon Weeden actually had the 107th ranked defense to carry on game day. That means if he got sloppy - they lose very easily. His team won the Big 12 and their BCS Bowl Game. When he beat Stanford, they had to erase deficits and keep up with the scoring pace of Andrew Luck's offense on his 107th ranked defense.
I know the age concerns but Kurt Warner played another 11 seasons after he was 28 in 1999. Warren Moon didn't get NFL snaps until mid-late 20s like Joe Theisman and Jeff Garcia. You could also say Steve Young didn't play for a real NFL team until he was 28. Cleveland has the same type of play makers Young got sentenced to in Tampa. If we don't change this - lesser talents than Steve Young can show up here and stink it up.
When I was watching the NFL Channel's Path to the Draft and Total Access that week talking about Tannehill, here were a few comments their staff made from their research that jumped out at me:
1. Doesn't locate the Safety well. We're in a division with 2 of the best Safeties in the league.
2. Lost 4 second half leads (defense might have collapsed but this is where a legend is made at QB as we once saw in both our versions of the Kardiac Kids). Had a higher ranked D than Weeden.
3. Had two different 3 INT performances in a conference that doesn't play a lick of defense.
4. "He shouldn't play at all in 2012..."
There's some red flags here. Why did Tannehill need excuses when Weeden didn't? Struggling to score on Big 12 Defenses in the second halves of football games won't get easier in the AFC North especially counting on the WR Corps that dropped the most passes in the NFL last year.
We can either trade back to add picks and get Weeden later than #4 or take him at #22. Here's how he stacked up nationally and vrs other Big 12 QB prospects the last 2 years:
2011 Passer Rating Leaders
2. Robert Griffin III 189.5 (Russell Wilson was #1 with 191.8)
8. Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State 159.8
34. Landry Jones, Oklahoma 141.6
39. James Franklin, Missouri 139.9
Outside the top 40: Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M 133.2
2011 Total Passing Yardage Leaders
2. Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State (Case Keenum was #1)
3. Landry Jones, Oklahoma
6. Robert Griffin III, Baylor
8. Seth Doege, Texas Tech
12. Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M
2010 Passing Efficiency
16. Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State
24. Landry Jones, Oklahoma
29. Robert Griffin III, Baylor
30. Carson Coffman, Kansas State
37. Taylor Martinez, Nebraska
2010 Passing Yardage Leaders
2. Landry Jones, Oklahoma
3. Brandon Weeden, Oklahoma State
9. Taylor Potts, Texas Tech
13. Robert Griffin III, Baylor
21. Blaine Gabbert, Missouri
45. Garrett Gilbert, Texas
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