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So did the AL send out a memo that teams are encouraged to throw at Choo without fear of retaliation or something?
What a freaking joke.
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Yeah, they throw at Choo, we retaliate, and get Gomez, Hannihan, and Acta all tossed. (with no warning to the bench, I might add)
This umpire staff is a joke.
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The really stupid thing is that their idiot pitcher threw at Choo, and he's the only guy in the lineup without a hit. (Hannihan didn't, but he only had 1 at bat)
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Love Hannahan getting after them, but man baseball players are a bunch of pansies.
New rule. If you come out of the dugout or bullpen and fight, its a 5 game suspension. If you come out and just stand around, it's 10 games.
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Yeah, they throw at Choo, we retaliate, and get Gomez, Hannihan, and Acta all tossed. (with no warning to the bench, I might add)
This umpire staff is a joke.
Totally. It's cool that Ned Yost was going after Hannahan though. No biggie.
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Yeah, they throw at Choo, we retaliate, and get Gomez, Hannihan, and Acta all tossed. (with no warning to the bench, I might add)
This umpire staff is a joke.
The benches were warned. They showed it after the brew-ha-ha took place.
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I can't see the game, but Tom Hamilton said that he didn't think that they were warned.
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Yeah... Matt and Rick didn't see it initially either. TV picked it up on tape.
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Yeah, they throw at Choo, we retaliate, and get Gomez, Hannihan, and Acta all tossed. (with no warning to the bench, I might add)
This umpire staff is a joke.
The benches were warned. They showed it after the brew-ha-ha took place.
Regardless of if they were warned (they showed the ump talking to Acta...who knows what was said), letting the players police themselves is as old as the game itself. Considering that it was Choo's third HBP (plus a guy throwing at Choo's head, after a warning, and not getting tossed), his teammates and manager have every right to come to his defense.
Gomez didn't throw at the guy's head, he plunked him in the ass. Both sides are even. Moustakis should be in the dugout chewing out his pitcher for writing a check that the Royals' hitters have to cash. Actually, he should've been tossed for carrying the bat with him instead of just shutting up and taking his base.
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Well... We're doing everything we possibly can to let KC back into this thing. 
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Love Hannahan getting after them, but man baseball players are a bunch of pansies.
And hockey players are jagoffs. Drop the puck - fight. Slam a dude's head into the boards - $2,500 fine no suspension. "Fighting's part of the game" - random hockey fan...why?
I'm not saying the bullpens running in and teams jawing at each other isn't ignorant, and a guy getting hit who stands and yells at the pitcher isn't weak - but I loathe the general "baseball players are pansies" take.
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They are. They are freaking women when it comes to sports.
The Weber incident doesn't really happen ever, but ok. everyone storming out of both the bullpen and dugouts and doing nothing but running your mouth happens all the time and is the most laughable thing in sports.
Why is fighting part of the hockey? You'd have to have played to understand.
At least they handle it instead of standing around pretending to be a bunch of tough guys when they're clearly not.
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And hockey players are jagoffs. Drop the puck - fight. Slam a dude's head into the boards - $2,500 fine no suspension. "Fighting's part of the game" - random hockey fan...why?
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Apparently hannahan is synonymous with grit
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It seems like Choo's stance doesn't give pitchers much room inside, so they have the choice of either missing inside - hitting Choo - or over the plate. If you miss over the plate with Choo, he might turn it around on you, with authority. Most pitchers are not going to give up the inside to a hitter. Until someone behind Choo starts protecting him by making there be a price for hitting him by driving him in, it'll continue. In the meantime, it might be helpful if our pitchers retaliated by buzzing oppo hitters inside, instead of plunking them. If its not around the head, they might not get tossed. I know you have to protect your hitters but you can't keep losing your starter to over-reacting umpire crews. I don't want to see that much of this bullpen. Either that, or we have to start targeting their hitters first, so the other team is on the receiving end of the retaliatory ejection.
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Sure hope Hafner stays healthy all year, he hit a monster homerun today. Choo seems to be coming around. Brantley finally looked like he wasn't lost out there. Love Hannahan, but how long will they keep Chisenhall down when he is tearing it up at AAA?
I know Jimenez gave up some runs today but he was hitting 95, 96 on the gun consistently. Would love for him to hit his stride again.
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Sure hope Hafner stays healthy all year, he hit a monster homerun today. Choo seems to be coming around. Brantley finally looked like he wasn't lost out there. Love Hannahan, but how long will they keep Chisenhall down when he is tearing it up at AAA?
I know Jimenez gave up some runs today but he was hitting 95, 96 on the gun consistently. Would love for him to hit his stride again.
It's a little better than his last outing when he was hitting 92-93ish (last outing was better but his building velocity which is good)
I think he's in good position as the #2, less pressure, and Masterson seems like he could care less about the pressure of being an ace #1. Hope we can keep it that way, could be a killer 1-2 punch for a while.
I was also thinking this, maybe Fausto er Roberto or whatever his name is will actually pitch better now that this little scandal is out there and behind him now. Not saying I wouldn't have done the same thing to do what was best for my life, but it was still wrong.
Dunno, I think it's a bonus if anything. But it has to be at least a little bothersome knowing that you could be screwed if anyone found out. Both in the USA and back home.
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did I mention how much I love playing the Royals?
also, I want to keep throwing this out there. don't be surprised when the Tribe re-signs Hafner. It won't be the $13mil he's due, but there's no way the 3rd or 4th best hitter on a weak hitting team that will probably go for about $5mil on a 1 or 2 year contract can get away.
and people that complain about the games played should see Josh Willingham's past few years (who alot of people wanted). He played a whole 5 more games per year than Hafner with an OPS+ a couple notches below.
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Well, if Pronk keeps hitting like this, nobody will complain about him getting a reasonable (for baseball at least) contract from the Tribe. He needs to stay healthy and play well for the whole season first, however.
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my point was I still expect him to play somewhere around 95-115 games as he has been doing. and, that his value hitting like he does for that amount of games will be around $5mil and people will freak out (and I don't think they should).
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We'll see... I think baseball fans understand that marginal players get paid stupid money in the MLB. If Pronk keeps hitting like he is now, I don't think you'll hear much, if anything, about a $5 million contract (regardless of length). $5 million is chump change for the MLB.  
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We'll see... I think baseball fans understand that marginal players get paid stupid money in the MLB. If Pronk keeps hitting like he is now, I don't think you'll hear much, if anything, about a $5 million contract (regardless of length). $5 million is chump change for the MLB.
that's what Grady got though and he actually plays a position 
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that's what Grady got though and he actually plays a position
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he has 2 positions: OF and DL
He spends more time at his 2nd position. Perhaps since Hafner plays DH and DL, we could call his position DHL?
He does deliver when he plays.
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and Sizemore is CF and DL.. he could have played in the CFL.
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I know Jimenez gave up some runs today but he was hitting 95, 96 on the gun consistently.
It's a little better than his last outing when he was hitting 92-93ish
The gun in KC was off. 2-3 mph too fast for everyone all weekend. KC's reliever Herrera was throwing 102-103 according to their gun. Hammy mentioned it many times on the radio.
The fact that Baldo was hitting 95-96 on their gun means he was "really" still only throwing 92-93.
His past success came from the fact that he had an overpowering 97-98 mph fastball that put hitters on their heels and then they had to react to his other 4 pitches (even if they weren't strikes). Without the threat of that fastball, he better learn some control on his other pitches in a HURRY or he will continue to get beat around.
Having 5 pitches means little when you can't throw the fastball by anyone and can't control any of the other ones for strikes.
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The gun was definitely hot, Lowe hit in the 90's.
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Meh. We don't care about no stinking 7 run deficits. Hehe. 8-8 ballgame in the 6th.
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Has anyone checked the fingerprints of Chris Perez recently? I would bet he's Bob Wickman (massive diet plus a few facial surgeries).
He can't have a 1-2-3 inning....HAS to put at least 2 on no matter what.
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I kept saying that all last year  I'm impressed by our offense and our come from behind approach these past few games. I hope we keep the bats warm. Our pitching is starting to concern me, though.
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That was an unexpected win in the ninth. Jack Hannahan continues to deliver.
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it's still April. he's money in April.
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it's still April. he's money in April.
Mr. April did it again tonight. These guys are trying to draw me back in to thinking they can be good. I refuse to believe. Must. Not. Give. In. To. Hope.
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How about us going 6-1 on the road trip so far? 
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The other shoe will drop, just wait.
Man, nothing makes me angrier regarding the Indians' season last year than hearing people say "well they were in first place for 90 days" or whatever it was as a justification of what a "good" and "unexpected" season they had. Truth is they were good for the first 25% of the season and then coasted the rest of the way going 17 games under .500 while the Tigers caught up to them and raced past. It'd be like watching a NASCAR driver push out to a big lead and then try to go 50mph for the last lap.
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I LOVE the optimism!
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With the way our teams over-promise and under-deliver, I'm forced to assume the worst until they show me otherwise. I still watch on television or listen on the radio as much as I can, but you'll get no blind homerism out of me.
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Over-promise? Who said that? I don't recall the owner, FO, manager, players or anyone on this board promising anything about this years Indians.
They are who they are. A small-to-mid market with a small payroll, a All Star SS, a youthful lineup, good starting pitching and hopefully a strong bully. If the team can stay healthy and catch a few breaks (other AL Central Teams get the injury bug like we did last year)....who knows.
Just enjoy the ride. Being a sports fan isn't only being entertained when a team is in first place.....it should be fun regardless.
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